Re: [MBZ] Volvo SW to the moon and (nearly) back
It has invaluable kashay, or je ne sais quoi. On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 2:16 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Sold for $6K. The world’s gone mad. > > AZBob > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Sep 13, 2023, at 10:34 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > At first I thought if I was the owner I would have wanted to get it to > 500,000 just because it us such a milestone. But, then I read the > following “The seller reports piston slap when the engine is cold, and the > exhaust system does not have a catalytic converter.” > > > > Now I really don’t understand the bidding. > > > > Donald H. Snook > > > > > >> On Sep 13, 2023, at 11:53 AM, Andrew Strasfogel > wrote: > >> > >> More miles does not necessarily enhance value. > >> > >> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1992-volvo-740-turbo-7/ > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volvo SW to the moon and (nearly) back
Sold for $6K. The world’s gone mad. AZBob Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 13, 2023, at 10:34 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes > wrote: > > At first I thought if I was the owner I would have wanted to get it to > 500,000 just because it us such a milestone. But, then I read the following > “The seller reports piston slap when the engine is cold, and the exhaust > system does not have a catalytic converter.” > > Now I really don’t understand the bidding. > > Donald H. Snook > > >> On Sep 13, 2023, at 11:53 AM, Andrew Strasfogel >> wrote: >> >> More miles does not necessarily enhance value. >> >> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1992-volvo-740-turbo-7/ >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volvo SW to the moon and (nearly) back
At first I thought if I was the owner I would have wanted to get it to 500,000 just because it us such a milestone. But, then I read the following “The seller reports piston slap when the engine is cold, and the exhaust system does not have a catalytic converter.” Now I really don’t understand the bidding. Donald H. Snook > On Sep 13, 2023, at 11:53 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > > More miles does not necessarily enhance value. > > https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1992-volvo-740-turbo-7/ > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Volvo SW to the moon and (nearly) back
More miles does not necessarily enhance value. https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1992-volvo-740-turbo-7/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volvo PV544 on BAT
That would be a great surprise birthday present to a spouse if one were looking for a quick divorce. On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 2:40 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > This is a MUCH cooler Volvo: > > > https://jalopnik.com/some-hero-in-london-street-parks-their-volvo-sugga-1842546618 > > -D > > > > > On Mar 30, 2020, at 2:37 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > Nw at $8251 as the auction enters the final minutes. > > > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 12:56 PM Kevin Kraly via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> I sure did enjoy the 1958 Volvo PV444 that we had in the 1990’s. It was > a > >> mostly original driver quality car, but still a head turner. Someone > >> re-powered it with a B18 engine which was more powerful than the > original > >> B16. During the move from California to Oregon, the moving company > damaged > >> it, so we decided to prepare it for a full restoration which was never > to > >> be. We ended up giving it away a few years later. Hopefully, it’s still > >> around or donated parts to another driver. > >> Kevin in Hillsboro, OR > >> 2019 Sprinter 650 miles, Low Mileage Lutgard AKA Der DoodleWagen > >> 1982 240D, High Mileage Hildegard in quarantine > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On Mar 29, 2020, at 8:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> No one can accuse you of being overly spendthrift. > >>> > On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 4:54 PM G Mann via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> > wrote: > > I owned one of those, decades ago... bought it for $8.00. The starter > >> had > burned out and it had been parked for 2 years... I primed the fuel > >> system > with fresh fuel and a little spray death start fluid, and got a rope > >> pull > start from another car.. drove it home.. Fixed the starter, which cost > >> more > than the car, and then tried to flog it to deatth > > On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 9:29 AM OK Don via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com > > > wrote: > > > A local fellow put Goodyear Blue Streak racing tires on one of those > >> back > > in the early '70's, and managed to roll it in a flat parking lot > >> gymkhana > > event. > > > > On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 11:06 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> I drove one of these in Mpls.-St. Paul while in grad school. To > >> assure > > it > >> would start every morning I would 1) bring the battery inside to my > >> basement flat, and 2) insert a dipstick heater to keep the oil warm. > >> Eventually my gloves disintegrated from the cumulative exposure to > > battery > >> acid. > >> > >> These were great highway cars, averaging 77 mph for long distances > > between > >> OH and MN. I also appreciated the orthopedic driver's seat which > >> successfully combated fatigue. > >> > >> Otherwise, not particularly collectible. > >> > >> > >> > > > > >> > https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1960-volvo-pv544-5/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2020-03-29 > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > > > -- > > OK Don > > > > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time > to > > pause and reflect." Mark Twain > > > > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” > > Wernher > > Von Braun > > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery
Re: [MBZ] Volvo PV544 on BAT
This is a MUCH cooler Volvo: https://jalopnik.com/some-hero-in-london-street-parks-their-volvo-sugga-1842546618 -D > On Mar 30, 2020, at 2:37 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > wrote: > > Nw at $8251 as the auction enters the final minutes. > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 12:56 PM Kevin Kraly via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> I sure did enjoy the 1958 Volvo PV444 that we had in the 1990’s. It was a >> mostly original driver quality car, but still a head turner. Someone >> re-powered it with a B18 engine which was more powerful than the original >> B16. During the move from California to Oregon, the moving company damaged >> it, so we decided to prepare it for a full restoration which was never to >> be. We ended up giving it away a few years later. Hopefully, it’s still >> around or donated parts to another driver. >> Kevin in Hillsboro, OR >> 2019 Sprinter 650 miles, Low Mileage Lutgard AKA Der DoodleWagen >> 1982 240D, High Mileage Hildegard in quarantine >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Mar 29, 2020, at 8:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >>> No one can accuse you of being overly spendthrift. >>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 4:54 PM G Mann via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: I owned one of those, decades ago... bought it for $8.00. The starter >> had burned out and it had been parked for 2 years... I primed the fuel >> system with fresh fuel and a little spray death start fluid, and got a rope >> pull start from another car.. drove it home.. Fixed the starter, which cost >> more than the car, and then tried to flog it to deatth On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 9:29 AM OK Don via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote: > A local fellow put Goodyear Blue Streak racing tires on one of those >> back > in the early '70's, and managed to roll it in a flat parking lot >> gymkhana > event. > > On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 11:06 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> I drove one of these in Mpls.-St. Paul while in grad school. To >> assure > it >> would start every morning I would 1) bring the battery inside to my >> basement flat, and 2) insert a dipstick heater to keep the oil warm. >> Eventually my gloves disintegrated from the cumulative exposure to > battery >> acid. >> >> These were great highway cars, averaging 77 mph for long distances > between >> OH and MN. I also appreciated the orthopedic driver's seat which >> successfully combated fatigue. >> >> Otherwise, not particularly collectible. >> >> >> > >> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1960-volvo-pv544-5/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2020-03-29 >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > > -- > OK Don > > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > pause and reflect." Mark Twain > > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” > Wernher > Von Braun > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives
Re: [MBZ] Volvo PV544 on BAT
Nw at $8251 as the auction enters the final minutes. On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 12:56 PM Kevin Kraly via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I sure did enjoy the 1958 Volvo PV444 that we had in the 1990’s. It was a > mostly original driver quality car, but still a head turner. Someone > re-powered it with a B18 engine which was more powerful than the original > B16. During the move from California to Oregon, the moving company damaged > it, so we decided to prepare it for a full restoration which was never to > be. We ended up giving it away a few years later. Hopefully, it’s still > around or donated parts to another driver. > Kevin in Hillsboro, OR > 2019 Sprinter 650 miles, Low Mileage Lutgard AKA Der DoodleWagen > 1982 240D, High Mileage Hildegard in quarantine > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Mar 29, 2020, at 8:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > No one can accuse you of being overly spendthrift. > > > >> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 4:54 PM G Mann via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> I owned one of those, decades ago... bought it for $8.00. The starter > had > >> burned out and it had been parked for 2 years... I primed the fuel > system > >> with fresh fuel and a little spray death start fluid, and got a rope > pull > >> start from another car.. drove it home.. Fixed the starter, which cost > more > >> than the car, and then tried to flog it to deatth > >> > >> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 9:29 AM OK Don via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com > >>> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> A local fellow put Goodyear Blue Streak racing tires on one of those > back > >>> in the early '70's, and managed to roll it in a flat parking lot > gymkhana > >>> event. > >>> > >>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 11:06 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> > I drove one of these in Mpls.-St. Paul while in grad school. To > assure > >>> it > would start every morning I would 1) bring the battery inside to my > basement flat, and 2) insert a dipstick heater to keep the oil warm. > Eventually my gloves disintegrated from the cumulative exposure to > >>> battery > acid. > > These were great highway cars, averaging 77 mph for long distances > >>> between > OH and MN. I also appreciated the orthopedic driver's seat which > successfully combated fatigue. > > Otherwise, not particularly collectible. > > > > >>> > >> > https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1960-volvo-pv544-5/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2020-03-29 > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > >>> > >>> -- > >>> OK Don > >>> > >>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > >>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain > >>> > >>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” > >>> Wernher > >>> Von Braun > >>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg > >>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > >>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volvo PV544 on BAT
I sure did enjoy the 1958 Volvo PV444 that we had in the 1990’s. It was a mostly original driver quality car, but still a head turner. Someone re-powered it with a B18 engine which was more powerful than the original B16. During the move from California to Oregon, the moving company damaged it, so we decided to prepare it for a full restoration which was never to be. We ended up giving it away a few years later. Hopefully, it’s still around or donated parts to another driver. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 2019 Sprinter 650 miles, Low Mileage Lutgard AKA Der DoodleWagen 1982 240D, High Mileage Hildegard in quarantine Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 29, 2020, at 8:35 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > wrote: > > No one can accuse you of being overly spendthrift. > >> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 4:54 PM G Mann via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> I owned one of those, decades ago... bought it for $8.00. The starter had >> burned out and it had been parked for 2 years... I primed the fuel system >> with fresh fuel and a little spray death start fluid, and got a rope pull >> start from another car.. drove it home.. Fixed the starter, which cost more >> than the car, and then tried to flog it to deatth >> >> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 9:29 AM OK Don via Mercedes >> >> wrote: >> >>> A local fellow put Goodyear Blue Streak racing tires on one of those back >>> in the early '70's, and managed to roll it in a flat parking lot gymkhana >>> event. >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 11:06 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> I drove one of these in Mpls.-St. Paul while in grad school. To assure >>> it would start every morning I would 1) bring the battery inside to my basement flat, and 2) insert a dipstick heater to keep the oil warm. Eventually my gloves disintegrated from the cumulative exposure to >>> battery acid. These were great highway cars, averaging 77 mph for long distances >>> between OH and MN. I also appreciated the orthopedic driver's seat which successfully combated fatigue. Otherwise, not particularly collectible. >>> >> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1960-volvo-pv544-5/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2020-03-29 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> -- >>> OK Don >>> >>> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to >>> pause and reflect." Mark Twain >>> >>> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” >>> Wernher >>> Von Braun >>> 2013 F150, 18 mpg >>> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg >>> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volvo PV544 on BAT
No one can accuse you of being overly spendthrift. On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 4:54 PM G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > I owned one of those, decades ago... bought it for $8.00. The starter had > burned out and it had been parked for 2 years... I primed the fuel system > with fresh fuel and a little spray death start fluid, and got a rope pull > start from another car.. drove it home.. Fixed the starter, which cost more > than the car, and then tried to flog it to deatth > > On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 9:29 AM OK Don via Mercedes > > wrote: > > > A local fellow put Goodyear Blue Streak racing tires on one of those back > > in the early '70's, and managed to roll it in a flat parking lot gymkhana > > event. > > > > On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 11:06 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > I drove one of these in Mpls.-St. Paul while in grad school. To assure > > it > > > would start every morning I would 1) bring the battery inside to my > > > basement flat, and 2) insert a dipstick heater to keep the oil warm. > > > Eventually my gloves disintegrated from the cumulative exposure to > > battery > > > acid. > > > > > > These were great highway cars, averaging 77 mph for long distances > > between > > > OH and MN. I also appreciated the orthopedic driver's seat which > > > successfully combated fatigue. > > > > > > Otherwise, not particularly collectible. > > > > > > > > > > > > https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1960-volvo-pv544-5/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2020-03-29 > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > -- > > OK Don > > > > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > > pause and reflect." Mark Twain > > > > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” > > Wernher > > Von Braun > > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volvo PV544 on BAT
I owned one of those, decades ago... bought it for $8.00. The starter had burned out and it had been parked for 2 years... I primed the fuel system with fresh fuel and a little spray death start fluid, and got a rope pull start from another car.. drove it home.. Fixed the starter, which cost more than the car, and then tried to flog it to deatth On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 9:29 AM OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > A local fellow put Goodyear Blue Streak racing tires on one of those back > in the early '70's, and managed to roll it in a flat parking lot gymkhana > event. > > On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 11:06 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > I drove one of these in Mpls.-St. Paul while in grad school. To assure > it > > would start every morning I would 1) bring the battery inside to my > > basement flat, and 2) insert a dipstick heater to keep the oil warm. > > Eventually my gloves disintegrated from the cumulative exposure to > battery > > acid. > > > > These were great highway cars, averaging 77 mph for long distances > between > > OH and MN. I also appreciated the orthopedic driver's seat which > > successfully combated fatigue. > > > > Otherwise, not particularly collectible. > > > > > > > https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1960-volvo-pv544-5/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2020-03-29 > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > -- > OK Don > > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > pause and reflect." Mark Twain > > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” > Wernher > Von Braun > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volvo PV544 on BAT
A local fellow put Goodyear Blue Streak racing tires on one of those back in the early '70's, and managed to roll it in a flat parking lot gymkhana event. On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 11:06 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I drove one of these in Mpls.-St. Paul while in grad school. To assure it > would start every morning I would 1) bring the battery inside to my > basement flat, and 2) insert a dipstick heater to keep the oil warm. > Eventually my gloves disintegrated from the cumulative exposure to battery > acid. > > These were great highway cars, averaging 77 mph for long distances between > OH and MN. I also appreciated the orthopedic driver's seat which > successfully combated fatigue. > > Otherwise, not particularly collectible. > > > https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1960-volvo-pv544-5/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2020-03-29 > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Volvo PV544 on BAT
I drove one of these in Mpls.-St. Paul while in grad school. To assure it would start every morning I would 1) bring the battery inside to my basement flat, and 2) insert a dipstick heater to keep the oil warm. Eventually my gloves disintegrated from the cumulative exposure to battery acid. These were great highway cars, averaging 77 mph for long distances between OH and MN. I also appreciated the orthopedic driver's seat which successfully combated fatigue. Otherwise, not particularly collectible. https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1960-volvo-pv544-5/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2020-03-29 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volvo phasing out gas and diesel cars soon
Volvo are building a big new facility up the road to make SUVs and other vehicles. I guess they will start cranking out electrified Volvos --FT On 7/6/17 3:28 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote: Volvo Car Corp. has vowed to abandon the traditional gas-powered internal combustion engine... ... it will only offer new hybrid or battery electric vehicles starting in 2019. Err, hybrids use internal combustion engines. ... completely phase out the gas-powered engine that has dominated vehicles since Ford's Model T in 1908 I think it was the electric starter in the 1912 Cadillac that allowed the gasoline engine to complete its dominance. There were a lot of Model Ts sold, though. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- --FT Winston Churchill: “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.” ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volvo phasing out gas and diesel cars soon
> Volvo Car Corp. has vowed to abandon the traditional gas-powered > internal combustion engine... > ... it will only offer new hybrid or battery electric vehicles > starting in 2019. Err, hybrids use internal combustion engines. > ... completely phase out the gas-powered engine that has > dominated vehicles since Ford's Model T in 1908 I think it was the electric starter in the 1912 Cadillac that allowed the gasoline engine to complete its dominance. There were a lot of Model Ts sold, though. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volvo phasing out gas and diesel cars soon
Super clickbait... Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedeswrote: ELECTRIC VEHICLESVolvo bidding end to gas-powered engines Published: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 [image: Volvo automobile on assembly line. Photo: Volvo.] Volvo has vowed to phase out the internal combustion engine by 2019. Volvo Volvo Car Corp. has vowed to abandon the traditional gas-powered internal combustion engine within two years. The Sweden-based, Chinese-owned automaker announced today that it will only offer new hybrid or battery electric vehicles starting in 2019. It becomes the first mainstream manufacturer to promise to completely phase out the gas-powered engine that has dominated vehicles since Ford's Model T in 1908 in favor of a technology that still represents a tiny share of the global market. Volvo announced it will launch five fully electric cars between 2019 and 2021. Plug-in hybrid cars that partly use petrol or diesel and electrified "mild hybrid" 48-volt cars will complete the lineup. Battery electric vehicles just cracked 1 percent of new car sales in the U.S. last year. Hybrids accounted for 2 percent. Automakers, electric utilities and petroleum companies are all betting the share of electric vehicles will increase, though analysts disagree on how fast that will happen. They expect the vehicles will get more popular as battery prices fall, range gets longer and charging infrastructure builds out. Automakers are also planning to pair increasing automation with electrification. Automakers also face increasingly tight sales and carbon reduction targets in China, the European Union and the United States. "This announcement marks the end of the solely combustion-engine-powered car," said Håkan Samuelsson, Volvo's president and CEO. "People increasingly demand electrified cars, and we want to respond to our customers' current and future needs." He reiterated the company's goal to sell a total of 1 million electrified cars by 2025. Volvo sold around half a million cars last year, more than Tesla's 76,000 but much less than the world's largest car companies like Toyota Motor Corp., Volkswagen AG and General Motors Co., which each had around 10 million sales. The mainstream, traditional manufacturers are also looking to electrify: Volkswagen, seeking to put its diesel scandal behind it, has vowed to sell a million electric vehicles by 2025. Ford, seen by critics as a laggard, has promised to introduce more than a dozen electric models, including SUVs. GM's Chevrolet Bolt was the first affordable all-electric vehicle introduced to the market with a range of more than 200 miles. The first of Tesla's Model 3s are expected to roll off the production line later this week. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Volvo phasing out gas and diesel cars soon
ELECTRIC VEHICLESVolvo bidding end to gas-powered engines Published: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 [image: Volvo automobile on assembly line. Photo: Volvo.] Volvo has vowed to phase out the internal combustion engine by 2019. Volvo Volvo Car Corp. has vowed to abandon the traditional gas-powered internal combustion engine within two years. The Sweden-based, Chinese-owned automaker announced today that it will only offer new hybrid or battery electric vehicles starting in 2019. It becomes the first mainstream manufacturer to promise to completely phase out the gas-powered engine that has dominated vehicles since Ford's Model T in 1908 in favor of a technology that still represents a tiny share of the global market. Volvo announced it will launch five fully electric cars between 2019 and 2021. Plug-in hybrid cars that partly use petrol or diesel and electrified "mild hybrid" 48-volt cars will complete the lineup. Battery electric vehicles just cracked 1 percent of new car sales in the U.S. last year. Hybrids accounted for 2 percent. Automakers, electric utilities and petroleum companies are all betting the share of electric vehicles will increase, though analysts disagree on how fast that will happen. They expect the vehicles will get more popular as battery prices fall, range gets longer and charging infrastructure builds out. Automakers are also planning to pair increasing automation with electrification. Automakers also face increasingly tight sales and carbon reduction targets in China, the European Union and the United States. "This announcement marks the end of the solely combustion-engine-powered car," said Håkan Samuelsson, Volvo's president and CEO. "People increasingly demand electrified cars, and we want to respond to our customers' current and future needs." He reiterated the company's goal to sell a total of 1 million electrified cars by 2025. Volvo sold around half a million cars last year, more than Tesla's 76,000 but much less than the world's largest car companies like Toyota Motor Corp., Volkswagen AG and General Motors Co., which each had around 10 million sales. The mainstream, traditional manufacturers are also looking to electrify: Volkswagen, seeking to put its diesel scandal behind it, has vowed to sell a million electric vehicles by 2025. Ford, seen by critics as a laggard, has promised to introduce more than a dozen electric models, including SUVs. GM's Chevrolet Bolt was the first affordable all-electric vehicle introduced to the market with a range of more than 200 miles. The first of Tesla's Model 3s are expected to roll off the production line later this week. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] volvo 850 wagon
Rick Hawkins Java wrote: i would think there should be some market for it a car with no reverse is better than no car at all But what year was it, a 1994? the market is almost surely three digits. A while back, Brianna and I bought (with my money) a $600 Taurus that goes from 2nd to neutral when you slow down, unless you move the lever from D to 3 while you're still going more than 15mph. If you get that wrong, you have to put it in R, wait for reverse to engage, and then select a forward gear again to go again. Nice running, nice looking car, good AC. All gears work, just not the hydraulics. Ford valve bodies with pump and solenoids included are readily available for $50-100. That's a $600 car here in Michigan. Offer me $700 and I'll throw in an oil change, a used valve body, and a new mcpherson strut. (some assemply required) Bought it at the end of April, and haven't received a single payment on it yet, so I'll be swapping valve bodies, replacing a strut, and trying to sell it for $1000-1200. Bri can buy her own car when she's matured enough to save up the money for it. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] volvo 805 turbo wagon
This is a little off topic. There was a 1994 white volvo 850 turbo parked by the entrance to our daughter's apartment. It looked a bit abandoned and irritated her because she had to make her turn wide. I told her to find the owner, she did and he agreed to sell it to me for $100 (and had the title and key)! Supposedly it last ran in December and doesn't go in reverse. I bought it yesterday for one C note. I pulled the battery and charged it overnite. MERCEDES CONTENT: Today my helper and i drove over there and with a little starting fluid and the hot battery, it started with a bit of effort. The engine was a couple of quarts low on oil car was for sure under maintained. It runs very smoothly. A/C compressor turns on but shuts right off ... low freon? I don't care. I drove it to my shop and it was nice, smooth and powerful. I think it has 150k miles but the odometer may not work the trip one didn't but i think it does have speedo. Sure enough, it will only slightly TRY to move in reverse. Trans fluid is brownish, but it seems full ... it may have a bit of smell, but not burnt smell. You can see it here on CL http://athensga.craigslist.org/cto/4510944216.html what's it worth? I put $1100, hoping to get maybe $800? WE GAVE IT A HALF ASS wash. The driver's windshield wiper didn't move, so i tightened that up and the wipers work. It has a sun/moon glass electric roof that works very smoothly. it's transverse turbo engine and FWD It seems nice, but i don't want it. I can drive it to the junkyard and probably collect 12 cents a pound . xx rick hawkins ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] volvo 805 turbo wagon
Put down that crack pipe and step away from the computer --R On 6/10/14 2:11 AM, Rick Hawkins Java wrote: This is a little off topic. There was a 1994 white volvo 850 turbo parked by the entrance to our daughter's apartment. It looked a bit abandoned and irritated her because she had to make her turn wide. I told her to find the owner, she did and he agreed to sell it to me for $100 (and had the title and key)! Supposedly it last ran in December and doesn't go in reverse. I bought it yesterday for one C note. I pulled the battery and charged it overnite. MERCEDES CONTENT: Today my helper and i drove over there and with a little starting fluid and the hot battery, it started with a bit of effort. The engine was a couple of quarts low on oil car was for sure under maintained. It runs very smoothly. A/C compressor turns on but shuts right off ... low freon? I don't care. I drove it to my shop and it was nice, smooth and powerful. I think it has 150k miles but the odometer may not work the trip one didn't but i think it does have speedo. Sure enough, it will only slightly TRY to move in reverse. Trans fluid is brownish, but it seems full ... it may have a bit of smell, but not burnt smell. You can see it here on CL http://athensga.craigslist.org/cto/4510944216.html what's it worth? I put $1100, hoping to get maybe $800? WE GAVE IT A HALF ASS wash. The driver's windshield wiper didn't move, so i tightened that up and the wipers work. It has a sun/moon glass electric roof that works very smoothly. it's transverse turbo engine and FWD It seems nice, but i don't want it. I can drive it to the junkyard and probably collect 12 cents a pound . xx rick hawkins ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] volvo 805 turbo wagon
What an utterly unlovable vehicle. No curb appeal whatsoever! On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Put down that crack pipe and step away from the computer --R On 6/10/14 2:11 AM, Rick Hawkins Java wrote: This is a little off topic. There was a 1994 white volvo 850 turbo parked by the entrance to our daughter's apartment. It looked a bit abandoned and irritated her because she had to make her turn wide. I told her to find the owner, she did and he agreed to sell it to me for $100 (and had the title and key)! Supposedly it last ran in December and doesn't go in reverse. I bought it yesterday for one C note. I pulled the battery and charged it overnite. MERCEDES CONTENT: Today my helper and i drove over there and with a little starting fluid and the hot battery, it started with a bit of effort. The engine was a couple of quarts low on oil car was for sure under maintained. It runs very smoothly. A/C compressor turns on but shuts right off ... low freon? I don't care. I drove it to my shop and it was nice, smooth and powerful. I think it has 150k miles but the odometer may not work the trip one didn't but i think it does have speedo. Sure enough, it will only slightly TRY to move in reverse. Trans fluid is brownish, but it seems full ... it may have a bit of smell, but not burnt smell. You can see it here on CL http://athensga.craigslist.org/cto/4510944216.html what's it worth? I put $1100, hoping to get maybe $800? WE GAVE IT A HALF ASS wash. The driver's windshield wiper didn't move, so i tightened that up and the wipers work. It has a sun/moon glass electric roof that works very smoothly. it's transverse turbo engine and FWD It seems nice, but i don't want it. I can drive it to the junkyard and probably collect 12 cents a pound . xx rick hawkins ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] volvo 850 wagon
I don't think the car has that much charm, but it IS smooth and seems fairly powerful to me used to 123 diesels. It does not look particularly easy to repair i would think there should be some market for it a car with no reverse is better than no car at all xx r On Jun 10, 2014, at 4:49 PM, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote: What an utterly unlovable vehicle. No curb appeal whatsoever! On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Put down that crack pipe and step away from the computer --R On 6/10/14 2:11 AM, Rick Hawkins Java wrote: This is a little off topic. There was a 1994 white volvo 850 turbo parked ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] volvo 805 turbo wagon
Part of your ad needs updating, this WAS a nice fancy car now its a hoopty. Look at it this way, if you get $500 you've made 5x your money. For $1100 looking as it does I'd want reverse. A tranny service with a new filter might do it... -Curt Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 09:32:27 -0400 From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] volvo 805 turbo wagon Message-ID: 539708eb.5080...@constructivity.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Put down that crack pipe and step away from the computer --R On 6/10/14 2:11 AM, Rick Hawkins Java wrote: This is a little off topic. There was a 1994 white volvo 850 turbo parked by the entrance to our daughter's apartment. It looked a bit abandoned and irritated her because she had to make her turn wide. I told her to find the owner, she did and he agreed to sell it to me for $100 (and had the title and key)! Supposedly it last ran in December and doesn't go in reverse. I bought it yesterday for one C note. I pulled the battery and charged it overnite. MERCEDES CONTENT: Today my helper and i drove over there and with a little starting fluid and the hot battery, it started with a bit of effort. The engine was a couple of quarts low on oil car was for sure under maintained. It runs very smoothly. A/C compressor turns on but shuts right off ... low freon? I don't care. I drove it to my shop and it was nice, smooth and powerful. I think it has 150k miles but the odometer may not work the trip one didn't but i think it does have speedo. Sure enough, it will only slightly TRY to move in reverse. Trans fluid is brownish, but it seems full ... it may have a bit of smell, but not burnt smell. You can see it here on CL http://athensga.craigslist.org/cto/4510944216.html what's it worth? I put $1100, hoping to get maybe $800? WE GAVE IT A HALF ASS wash. The driver's windshield wiper didn't move, so i tightened that up and the wipers work. It has a sun/moon glass electric roof that works very smoothly. it's transverse turbo engine and FWD It seems nice, but i don't want it. I can drive it to the junkyard and probably collect 12 cents a pound . xx rick hawkins ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] volvo 805 turbo wagon
Quite drivable though. My aunt has a similar car in sedan form, its very pleasant to drive. -Curt Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 12:12:55 -0400 From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] volvo 805 turbo wagon Message-ID: CAC35L=thznTLeuk-OqcN5M=mg4n6ue+5j5_kaikz1oxbmfq...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 What an utterly unlovable vehicle. No curb appeal whatsoever! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Volvo diesel?
Massively overheated because the bottom radiator hose came off in the left lane of 495 at 75mph I figured the engine might be damaged beyond what the car is worth. During my ownership this car has slid from nice low end car to jalopy. I didn't do a good job keeping it waxed and rust has erupted through the paint. Its maybe a 5 out of 10 merely because its still pretty good mechanically but its suffering in all the ways you'd expect a 34 year old daily driver to be suffering. Needs some front end work, rust remediation, interior work and in the end its a pretty base model 240D that I paid $1500 for 3 years ago. I figure if you can get a year for every $500 of car you're doing pretty good. That said based on today's results (see my last message) it looks as though this car might get a new lease on life. I'm going to change the oil and drive it for a few days to see what happens, if the oil and water stay on their respective sides like they're supposed to and I can get the valve tick to go away we might be okay... -Curt Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 10:10:08 -0700 From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volvo diesel? Message-ID: 20121224101008.e59b0f49955b934564ea7...@pisquared.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 08:37:33 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: With my 240D down for the count one of my options is to buy a new car. So, what's wrong with your 240D that cannot be fixed? If you put the amount of money into it that it will take to buy a new car, will it be all sorted out? Or are you just tired of it? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volvo diesel?
whatever gets you to work and back... On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Massively overheated because the bottom radiator hose came off in the left lane of 495 at 75mph I figured the engine might be damaged beyond what the car is worth. During my ownership this car has slid from nice low end car to jalopy. I didn't do a good job keeping it waxed and rust has erupted through the paint. Its maybe a 5 out of 10 merely because its still pretty good mechanically but its suffering in all the ways you'd expect a 34 year old daily driver to be suffering. Needs some front end work, rust remediation, interior work and in the end its a pretty base model 240D that I paid $1500 for 3 years ago. I figure if you can get a year for every $500 of car you're doing pretty good. That said based on today's results (see my last message) it looks as though this car might get a new lease on life. I'm going to change the oil and drive it for a few days to see what happens, if the oil and water stay on their respective sides like they're supposed to and I can get the valve tick to go away we might be okay... -Curt Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 10:10:08 -0700 From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volvo diesel? Message-ID: 20121224101008.e59b0f49955b934564ea7...@pisquared.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 08:37:33 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: With my 240D down for the count one of my options is to buy a new car. So, what's wrong with your 240D that cannot be fixed? If you put the amount of money into it that it will take to buy a new car, will it be all sorted out? Or are you just tired of it? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volvo diesel?
Wikipedia confirms that the D24 that the car I found produces pretty much the same 54kW as an OM616, too bad its not a turbo version. The wagon must be fairly weighty too. 5spd would be nice though. I may have to go see the car anyway, I've never seen one for same (not that I've really looked) so it'd be worth checking out. -Curt Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 11:34:50 -0600 From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volvo diesel? Message-ID: 53199de7-532c-4577-af87-34f32a754...@earthlink.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes A 740TD turbo is a nice car -- 31 mpg on the highway 29 in town, wonderful to drive, dead reliable (although mine has been out of the count for a while, fuel problems). Weak points are the injection pump (Bosch distributor single piston type) that does NOT like ultra-low sulfur fuel (use additive every tank), head prone to cracks between the valves so bad the valve guide come loose (just like the VW diesel, same engine but two cylinder). Head can be welded, though, unlike a Benz. Body is bulletproof, but not super safe on off-center collisions (nothing that age is). Rack will eventually start leaking, but they aren't expensive to rebuild. Turbo is noisy, sounds like a distant police siren in stop and to traffic, but not audible on the highway. If you can't hear it, it's bad. Best highway car I've ever had, including a W124. Seats are a bit wider and softer than a Benz, so you don't get stuck with extended sitting, but you still need to remove your wallet to keep from getting a dent in your backside. I need to revive mine so I can get the 300D back into shape. The later models (940) didn't get the diesel in the US, so you have the choice of a 740 D or TD. The D is going to be slow, it's a 2.4L just like a 240, and as heavy. If you can find a TD with a 5 speed (and they sold some) they are road rockets, really. 0-60 in 8 sec or so. They do smoke more than a Benz -- and if the EGR valve sticks open, as they tend to do, they REALLY smoke, just like a bad Mack truck. The cold start device causes problems too -- increases the fuel and moves the timing up, and this can beat the top of the cylinder walls out. No heavy throttle until fully warmed up, they last forever. Heavy foot cold, rebuilt every 150,000 miles. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volvo diesel?
On Tue, 25 Dec 2012 12:56:35 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: That said based on today's results (see my last message) it looks as though this car might get a new lease on life. I'm going to change the oil and drive it for a few days to see what happens, if the oil and water stay on their respective sides like they're supposed to and I can get the valve tick to go away we might be okay... Sounds like things are going well. I wish you further success! You have half an ATTABOY at this point. :-) Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Volvo diesel?
I know somebody on here has some experience with Volvo diesels... With my 240D down for the count one of my options is to buy a new car. I seem to do reasonably well with $1500 cars if I plan to keep them in the 30-40,000 mile range. I found: http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/3486147844.html which looks reasonably good to me. Keep in mind I've been driving a '78 240D, how would this be on power? Fuel economy? -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volvo diesel?
I don't have any direct experience, but I did a lot of research on them before I bought my first MB, a 1979 300TD Swedish Bricks http://www.swedishbricks.net/ is a really good forum for Volvo owners if you're looking to get the skinny on these cars. The only significant issues I recall were electrical in nature, that is, some model years had wiring harness issues (sound familiar?) I question how much get up and go the normally aspirated ones would have, as my 79 300TD had a hard time getting out of its own way at times, but the Volvos were six cylinders, so you've got that one extra jug working for you. Compared to a 240D it would probably be a rocket ship. The Boston area seemed to be covered with these things in the late 80s/early 90s when I was out there a lot, so I would think there is a still a significant population of them. I always liked these cars and often wonder where I would be today if I had gone with a Volvo instead of an MB when I bought my first diesel wagon in 1988. If it hadn't been for a friend with a 600k 220D that convinced me that an MB was the way to go I would probably have gone with the Volvo. Dan On Dec 24, 2012, at 11:37 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: I know somebody on here has some experience with Volvo diesels... With my 240D down for the count one of my options is to buy a new car. I seem to do reasonably well with $1500 cars if I plan to keep them in the 30-40,000 mile range. I found: http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/3486147844.html which looks reasonably good to me. Keep in mind I've been driving a '78 240D, how would this be on power? Fuel economy? -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I know somebody on here has some experience with Volvo diesels... Not diesel, but I enjoyed my '92 940 - it was comfortable and easy to repair. Interior/exterior was pretty good, and mine had been rolled by the PO! With the 4-cylinder gas engine it had the performance of my '77 300D. Well, almost. Actually the 940 was great preparation for driving older MBs, as it had a tendency to lose power at random for a few months before the computer stopped working. I got used to driving with lots of room for turns. Probably should set one up for the kids in a few years. :) The diesels had a relatively good reputation among Volvo drivers, but I seem to recall reading here that they were similar to the BMW diesels of the time. No promise that recollection is correct. This was back in the days of usenet, if you can find an archive for alt.autos.volvo there is a lot of good information. Best, -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 08:37:33 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: With my 240D down for the count one of my options is to buy a new car. So, what's wrong with your 240D that cannot be fixed? If you put the amount of money into it that it will take to buy a new car, will it be all sorted out? Or are you just tired of it? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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A 740TD turbo is a nice car -- 31 mpg on the highway 29 in town, wonderful to drive, dead reliable (although mine has been out of the count for a while, fuel problems). Weak points are the injection pump (Bosch distributor single piston type) that does NOT like ultra-low sulfur fuel (use additive every tank), head prone to cracks between the valves so bad the valve guide come loose (just like the VW diesel, same engine but two cylinder). Head can be welded, though, unlike a Benz. Body is bulletproof, but not super safe on off-center collisions (nothing that age is). Rack will eventually start leaking, but they aren't expensive to rebuild. Turbo is noisy, sounds like a distant police siren in stop and to traffic, but not audible on the highway. If you can't hear it, it's bad. Best highway car I've ever had, including a W124. Seats are a bit wider and softer than a Benz, so you don't get stuck with extended sitting, but you still need to remove your wallet to keep from getting a dent in your backside. I need to revive mine so I can get the 300D back into shape. The later models (940) didn't get the diesel in the US, so you have the choice of a 740 D or TD. The D is going to be slow, it's a 2.4L just like a 240, and as heavy. If you can find a TD with a 5 speed (and they sold some) they are road rockets, really. 0-60 in 8 sec or so. They do smoke more than a Benz -- and if the EGR valve sticks open, as they tend to do, they REALLY smoke, just like a bad Mack truck. The cold start device causes problems too -- increases the fuel and moves the timing up, and this can beat the top of the cylinder walls out. No heavy throttle until fully warmed up, they last forever. Heavy foot cold, rebuilt every 150,000 miles. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You would have never been treated badly by jabba? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2012, at 10:53 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I don't have any direct experience, but I did a lot of research on them before I bought my first MB, a 1979 300TD Swedish Bricks http://www.swedishbricks.net/ is a really good forum for Volvo owners if you're looking to get the skinny on these cars. The only significant issues I recall were electrical in nature, that is, some model years had wiring harness issues (sound familiar?) I question how much get up and go the normally aspirated ones would have, as my 79 300TD had a hard time getting out of its own way at times, but the Volvos were six cylinders, so you've got that one extra jug working for you. Compared to a 240D it would probably be a rocket ship. The Boston area seemed to be covered with these things in the late 80s/early 90s when I was out there a lot, so I would think there is a still a significant population of them. I always liked these cars and often wonder where I would be today if I had gone with a Volvo instead of an MB when I bought my first diesel wagon in 1988. If it hadn't been for a friend with a 600k 220D that convinced me that an MB was the way to go I would probably have gone with the Volvo. Dan On Dec 24, 2012, at 11:37 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: I know somebody on here has some experience with Volvo diesels... With my 240D down for the count one of my options is to buy a new car. I seem to do reasonably well with $1500 cars if I plan to keep them in the 30-40,000 mile range. I found: http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/3486147844.html which looks reasonably good to me. Keep in mind I've been driving a '78 240D, how would this be on power? Fuel economy? -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Its a vw, so beware the timing belt. If it was changed on time, it is about due for another. Can the PO show you a receipt for the last timing belt? Otherwise, change it soon. Failure means trashed valves and possibly head. Also has the vw single plunger IP, nowhere near as reliable as the inline IPNot even close... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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- Original Message - From: Tim C bb...@crone.us To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volvo diesel? On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I know somebody on here has some experience with Volvo diesels... Not diesel, but I enjoyed my '92 940 - it was comfortable and easy to repair. Interior/exterior was pretty good, and mine had been rolled by the PO! With the 4-cylinder gas engine it had the performance of my '77 300D. Well, almost. Actually the 940 was great preparation for driving older MBs, as it had a tendency to lose power at random for a few months before the computer stopped working. I got used to driving with lots of room for turns. Probably should set one up for the kids in a few years. :) The diesels had a relatively good reputation among Volvo drivers, but I seem to recall reading here that they were similar to the BMW diesels of the time. No promise that recollection is correct. This was back in the days of usenet, if you can find an archive for alt.autos.volvo there is a lot of good information. Best, -Tim I seem to recall reading that Volvo used Audi diesel engines and that the engines tended to be troublesome. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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VW Diesels actually. I think after owning a Mercedes Diesel to will be disappointed in the Volvo. I like the Volvo 240 gassers a lot but not the Diesels. 740 is a lot nicer. Mike On Dec 24, 2012 6:01 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Tim C bb...@crone.us To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volvo diesel? On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I know somebody on here has some experience with Volvo diesels... Not diesel, but I enjoyed my '92 940 - it was comfortable and easy to repair. Interior/exterior was pretty good, and mine had been rolled by the PO! With the 4-cylinder gas engine it had the performance of my '77 300D. Well, almost. Actually the 940 was great preparation for driving older MBs, as it had a tendency to lose power at random for a few months before the computer stopped working. I got used to driving with lots of room for turns. Probably should set one up for the kids in a few years. :) The diesels had a relatively good reputation among Volvo drivers, but I seem to recall reading here that they were similar to the BMW diesels of the time. No promise that recollection is correct. This was back in the days of usenet, if you can find an archive for alt.autos.volvo there is a lot of good information. Best, -Tim I seem to recall reading that Volvo used Audi diesel engines and that the engines tended to be troublesome. Gerry __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I've yet to actually find the pictures but my grandmother swears this is true: My great grandfather bought new a 1928 Farmall Regular. For those who don't know tractors the Regular was the first tractor with the now common tricycle front wheel arrangement where the two front wheels are close together. Top speed of that machine is about 4mph. He also owned a 1919 Buick open touring car which was normally used to go to town about 5 miles away. However to haul the whole family and produce to town, or to return with supplies or if they took the hired hands with them the Buick was too small so they took a truck rear end and made it the front axle for a wagon. They powered that axle with the PTO of the tractor. Supposedly this arrangement could make about 20mph which I imagine to be as fast as anybody would dare. TK (great grandfather) died in 1933 when the brakes failed in the Buick and he was hit by a train, to give you an idea of the time period. -Curt Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 17:01:06 -0500 From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volvo? now fast tractors Message-ID: 50a80922.90...@constructivity.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Some of the Amish have some sort of dispensation about tractors, so they put road gears in them and can go quite fast. They build these little wagon buggy things they can all crowd into, and go to Walmart and Tractor Supply. I see them doing this in KY, it is funny as hell except it looks like a total recipe for disaster and death and destruction. -R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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No worse than riding a buggy on 2 lane rural roads posted at 55mph. On Saturday, November 17, 2012, Rich Thomas wrote: Some of the Amish have some sort of dispensation about tractors, so they put road gears in them and can go quite fast. They build these little wagon buggy things they can all crowd into, and go to Walmart and Tractor Supply. I see them doing this in KY, it is funny as hell except it looks like a total recipe for disaster and death and destruction. -R On 11/17/12 2:04 PM, Michael Canfield wrote: My neighbor put a hot running Chevy 250 inline 6 in an old Oliver 66. He got clocked @ 60mph skidding logs down a state highway. Cop didn't give him a ticket because he was afraid of getting laughed out of the station house for writing a farm tractor a ticket for speeding on a 55mph road. Mike On Nov 17, 2012 12:59 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAdIlgaAwMcfeature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=JAdIlgaAwMcfeature=related **http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=JAdIlgaAwMcfeature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAdIlgaAwMcfeature=related That is hilarious, especially in the field. I showed it to a friend and he told me about a guy he baled hay with that put a nash engine in a Cockshutt. (55 to 65 era) Cockshutts were known for high road speeds. With a big engine, he could pull the baler and 2 hayracks down the road at 30 MPH. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Curt Raymond wrote: ... so they took a truck rear end and made it the front axle for a wagon. They powered that axle with the PTO of the tractor. Supposedly this arrangement could make about 20mph which I imagine to be as fast as anybody would dare. Some rough calculations - with guesses. tire diameter in inches 30 tire circumference in ft7.853982 road speed, MPH 20 road speed, feet/minute 1760 tire RPM at road speed 224.09016 differential ratio 4 driveshaft (PTO) RPM896.360639 PTO RPM is typically 540, as I recall, so 900 RPM is a bit fast. Try again with other numbers tire diameter in inches 37 tire circumference in ft9.686577 road speed, MPH 20 road speed, feet/minute 1760 tire RPM at road speed 181.694724 differential ratio 3 driveshaft RPM 545.084173 There. With a 37 tall tire, and a axle ratio of 3:1, the numbers match up. *smiles* It's withing the realm of possible. --Philip, avoiding work. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 13:03:17 -0600 Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: PTO RPM is typically 540, as I recall, so 900 RPM is a bit fast. There are two standard PTO speeds now, 540 RPM and 1000 RPM. See http://salesmanual.deere.com/sales/salesmanual/en_NA/tractors/2010/feature/hitch_drawbar_and_pto/7030lf/7030lf_pto_options.html Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yep. The tractor in question, if it had a pto, would have been 540 rpm@ 80% or so of engine power. 1080 RPM has more splines, and didn't come out until 1960s or so on high HP (for the time) tractors. ~90+ HP would have been high HP for the time. 966 and up Internationals had 1000 RPM available. I am not sure when it was first offered, or what models it was available, or when it became standard on certain models. Probably first appeared on JDs with the 4010 or 4020. I didn't find any info on when the high RPM PTO first appeared, but I did find that in 1945 Cockshutt introduced the first live PTO. On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 13:03:17 -0600 Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: PTO RPM is typically 540, as I recall, so 900 RPM is a bit fast. There are two standard PTO speeds now, 540 RPM and 1000 RPM. See http://salesmanual.deere.com/sales/salesmanual/en_NA/tractors/2010/feature/hitch_drawbar_and_pto/7030lf/7030lf_pto_options.html Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hmm, I'd doubt 37 tires. Maybe it was the rear axle of the wagon and there was a transmission involved... Actually now that I think of it Dad might have mentioned something about that. He claims to have seen the rig years later before it was sent off for scrap but never saw it in action. -Curt Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 13:03:17 -0600 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volvo? now fast tractors Message-ID: 20121120130317.42fbd0b2.fmi...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Curt Raymond wrote: ... so they took a truck rear end and made it the front axle for a wagon. They powered that axle with the PTO of the tractor. Supposedly this arrangement could make about 20mph which I imagine to be as fast as anybody would dare. Some rough calculations - with guesses. tire diameter in inches30 tire circumference in ft7.853982 road speed, MPH20 road speed, feet/minute1760 tire RPM at road speed224.09016 differential ratio4 driveshaft (PTO) RPM896.360639 PTO RPM is typically 540, as I recall, so 900 RPM is a bit fast. Try again with other numbers tire diameter in inches37 tire circumference in ft9.686577 road speed, MPH20 road speed, feet/minute1760 tire RPM at road speed181.694724 differential ratio3 driveshaft RPM545.084173 There. With a 37 tall tire, and a axle ratio of 3:1, the numbers match up. *smiles* It's withing the realm of possible. --Philip, avoiding work. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have the tractor, it definitely has PTO. I *think* all Farmall tractors have PTO. That part of the story is without a doubt. Engine speed is probably 1000rpm (my '52 Farmall Super M is 1200), the 540rpm PTO is almost a certainty. -Curt Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 18:03:41 -0600 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volvo? now fast tractors Message-ID: a06240827ccd1c61703d3@[192.168.1.70] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed Yep. The tractor in question, if it had a pto, would have been 540 rpm@ 80% or so of engine power. 1080 RPM has more splines, and didn't come out until 1960s or so on high HP (for the time) tractors. ~90+ HP would have been high HP for the time. 966 and up Internationals had 1000 RPM available. I am not sure when it was first offered, or what models it was available, or when it became standard on certain models. Probably first appeared on JDs with the 4010 or 4020. I didn't find any info on when the high RPM PTO first appeared, but I did find that in 1945 Cockshutt introduced the first live PTO. On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 13:03:17 -0600 Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: PTO RPM is typically 540, as I recall, so 900 RPM is a bit fast. There are two standard PTO speeds now, 540 RPM and 1000 RPM. See http://salesmanual.deere.com/sales/salesmanual/en_NA/tractors/2010/feature/hitch_drawbar_and_pto/7030lf/7030lf_pto_options.html Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I would bet on a carrier bearing for driveshaft support and a chain drive to get the speed up from the 540rpm pto. Likely back then the truck rear had way low gears, like in the high 5's or 6's and even with tall tires 20mph would need a 2:1 ratio sprocket setup. Neat idea. Mike On Nov 20, 2012 7:42 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Hmm, I'd doubt 37 tires. Maybe it was the rear axle of the wagon and there was a transmission involved... Actually now that I think of it Dad might have mentioned something about that. He claims to have seen the rig years later before it was sent off for scrap but never saw it in action. -Curt Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 13:03:17 -0600 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volvo? now fast tractors Message-ID: 20121120130317.42fbd0b2.fmi...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Curt Raymond wrote: ... so they took a truck rear end and made it the front axle for a wagon. They powered that axle with the PTO of the tractor. Supposedly this arrangement could make about 20mph which I imagine to be as fast as anybody would dare. Some rough calculations - with guesses. tire diameter in inches30 tire circumference in ft7.853982 road speed, MPH20 road speed, feet/minute1760 tire RPM at road speed224.09016 differential ratio4 driveshaft (PTO) RPM896.360639 PTO RPM is typically 540, as I recall, so 900 RPM is a bit fast. Try again with other numbers tire diameter in inches37 tire circumference in ft9.686577 road speed, MPH20 road speed, feet/minute1760 tire RPM at road speed181.694724 differential ratio3 driveshaft RPM545.084173 There. With a 37 tall tire, and a axle ratio of 3:1, the numbers match up. *smiles* It's withing the realm of possible. --Philip, avoiding work. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Craig wrote: On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 13:03:17 -0600 Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: PTO RPM is typically 540, as I recall, so 900 RPM is a bit fast. There are two standard PTO speeds now, 540 RPM and 1000 RPM. Yeah, I heard that. But this was prior to 1933. So what was PTO speed then? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Curt Raymond wrote: Hmm, I'd doubt 37 tires. Maybe it was the rear axle of the wagon and there was a transmission involved... Actually now that I think of it Dad might have mentioned something about that. He claims to have seen the rig years later before it was sent off for scrap but never saw it in action. It's pretty rare for a transmission to be overdrive, especially at that time period - so typically it would only decrease the road speed. Or maybe the PTO could turn faster than 540 RPM. Or maybe the differential had a ratio of 2.4:1 Or maybe it just _felt_ like 20 MPH! --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Craig wrote: On Tue, 20 Nov 2012 13:03:17 -0600 Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: PTO RPM is typically 540, as I recall, so 900 RPM is a bit fast. There are two standard PTO speeds now, 540 RPM and 1000 RPM. Yeah, I heard that. But this was prior to 1933. So what was PTO speed then? -- Philip 540 It predates the F20 and farmall regular. From wikipedia Power take off: History Experimental power take-offs were tried as early as 1878, and various homemade versions arose over the subsequent decades, but International Harvester Company (IHC) was first to install a PTO on a production tractor, with its model 8-16, introduced in 1918.[2] Edward A. Johnston, an IHC engineer, had been impressed by a homemade PTO that he saw in France about a decade before, improvised by a French farmer and mechanic surnamed Gougis.[2] He and his IHC colleagues incorporated the idea into the 8-16, and designed a family of implements to take advantage of the feature. In 1920, IHC offered this option on their 15-30 tractor, and it was the first PTO-equipped tractor to be submitted for a Nebraska tractor test. The first PTO standard was adopted by ASAE (the American Society of Agricultural Engineers) in April 1927. The PTO rotational speed was specified as 536 ± 10 rpm; the direction was clockwise. The speed was later changed to 540 rpm.[3] The PTO was a competitive advantage for IHC in the 1920s, and other companies eventually caught up with PTO implementation. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Good points all. I like Mike's idea of chain drive, seems reasonable. Great uncle Reg swore it was in the neighborhood of 40mph but I don't think the road was paved in those days so I'm already discounting significantly. The Super M has a top speed of 16mph in 5th and its a helluva ride even at that speed. The Regular with narrow tires and simpler steering (think 2 big gears) and hand brakes would have been a real handful even at 20mph. Could be we're talking about 10mph which would still be twice stock. I should have asked how long it took to get to town. Its about 5 miles, that would have given me a better benchmark. Sadly anybody who really remembered the thing is deceased. My grandmother is still going (91 last month) but doesn't really remember the contraption. -Curt Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 19:15:47 -0600 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volvo? now fast tractors Message-ID: 20121120191547.54594f5a.fmi...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Curt Raymond wrote: Hmm, I'd doubt 37 tires. Maybe it was the rear axle of the wagon and there was a transmission involved... Actually now that I think of it Dad might have mentioned something about that. He claims to have seen the rig years later before it was sent off for scrap but never saw it in action. It's pretty rare for a transmission to be overdrive, especially at that time period - so typically it would only decrease the road speed. Or maybe the PTO could turn faster than 540 RPM. Or maybe the differential had a ratio of 2.4:1 Or maybe it just _felt_ like 20 MPH! --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAdIlgaAwMcfeature=related That is hilarious, especially in the field. I showed it to a friend and he told me about a guy he baled hay with that put a nash engine in a Cockshutt. (55 to 65 era) Cockshutts were known for high road speeds. With a big engine, he could pull the baler and 2 hayracks down the road at 30 MPH. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My neighbor put a hot running Chevy 250 inline 6 in an old Oliver 66. He got clocked @ 60mph skidding logs down a state highway. Cop didn't give him a ticket because he was afraid of getting laughed out of the station house for writing a farm tractor a ticket for speeding on a 55mph road. Mike On Nov 17, 2012 12:59 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=JAdIlgaAwMcfeature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAdIlgaAwMcfeature=related That is hilarious, especially in the field. I showed it to a friend and he told me about a guy he baled hay with that put a nash engine in a Cockshutt. (55 to 65 era) Cockshutts were known for high road speeds. With a big engine, he could pull the baler and 2 hayracks down the road at 30 MPH. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Some of the Amish have some sort of dispensation about tractors, so they put road gears in them and can go quite fast. They build these little wagon buggy things they can all crowd into, and go to Walmart and Tractor Supply. I see them doing this in KY, it is funny as hell except it looks like a total recipe for disaster and death and destruction. -R On 11/17/12 2:04 PM, Michael Canfield wrote: My neighbor put a hot running Chevy 250 inline 6 in an old Oliver 66. He got clocked @ 60mph skidding logs down a state highway. Cop didn't give him a ticket because he was afraid of getting laughed out of the station house for writing a farm tractor a ticket for speeding on a 55mph road. Mike On Nov 17, 2012 12:59 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=JAdIlgaAwMcfeature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAdIlgaAwMcfeature=related That is hilarious, especially in the field. I showed it to a friend and he told me about a guy he baled hay with that put a nash engine in a Cockshutt. (55 to 65 era) Cockshutts were known for high road speeds. With a big engine, he could pull the baler and 2 hayracks down the road at 30 MPH. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Volvo?
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[MBZ] Volvo on Wilton Wheels
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On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Those P1800s were beautiful cars, especially for a 1960s product of Sweden. http://blog.autoworld.com.my/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/vox_volvo_p1800_1.jpg I think that look suits a VW Type III better: http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3215084/1968-volkswagen-notchback ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volvo on Wilton Wheels
Really nice, 'cept the wheels. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 4:13 PM Subject: [MBZ] Volvo on Wilton Wheels Those P1800s were beautiful cars, especially for a 1960s product of Sweden. http://blog.autoworld.com.my/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/vox_volvo_p1800_1.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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WILTON wrote: Really nice, 'cept the wheels. This got my attention: Powering the beast is a 4.4-liter V8 borrowed from a Volvo XC90 SUV that’s been force-fed by a turbocharger and feeds its 600 horses through a six-speed manual transmission to the rear wheels. http://blog.autoworld.com.my/index.php/2009/05/06/tasty-volvo-p1800-custom/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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This is more your style me thinks. I'd sure like to have one like this! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:VW_Typ_34_Karmann-Ghia_1600_L.JPG Ed 300E On 26 January 2011 16:57, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Really nice, 'cept the wheels. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 4:13 PM Subject: [MBZ] Volvo on Wilton Wheels Those P1800s were beautiful cars, especially for a 1960s product of Sweden. http://blog.autoworld.com.my/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/vox_volvo_p1800_1.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yeah, not bad, either. 'Caught a glimpse of one on Pickers last night or night before. Wilton - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volvo on Wilton Wheels This is more your style me thinks. I'd sure like to have one like this! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:VW_Typ_34_Karmann-Ghia_1600_L.JPG Ed 300E On 26 January 2011 16:57, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Really nice, 'cept the wheels. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 4:13 PM Subject: [MBZ] Volvo on Wilton Wheels Those P1800s were beautiful cars, especially for a 1960s product of Sweden. http://blog.autoworld.com.my/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/vox_volvo_p1800_1.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I've always thought that car was a bad joke by VW - the ugliest car they ever made. Guess I was wrong - someone likes it! On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:28 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: This is more your style me thinks. I'd sure like to have one like this! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:VW_Typ_34_Karmann-Ghia_1600_L.JPG Ed 300E -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Kind of reminds me a lot of a BMW 3.0 cs, in exterior styling anyway. Ed 300E On 26 January 2011 20:03, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I've always thought that car was a bad joke by VW - the ugliest car they ever made. Guess I was wrong - someone likes it! On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:28 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: This is more your style me thinks. I'd sure like to have one like this! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:VW_Typ_34_Karmann-Ghia_1600_L.JPG Ed 300E -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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http://jalopnik.com/5533328/volvo-safety-demo-goes-wrong Be sure to scroll down to the comments. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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A 240 should never ping on (R+M)/2=87 octane fuel. I'd first check the timing, and air/fuel mixture (via O2 sensor). If those are correct, then I'd do a seafoam treatment (search on turbobricks.com for instructions) and install a new set of factory temp NGK copper spark plugs. If you're still getting pinging after that, check the knock sensor (if you have one- depending on year/model), and the engine compression. If the compression is too high, that's a good indication of carbon. It's pretty easy to pull the head and clean off the carbon on a 240, if seafoam and italian tune-ups aren't enough. I forget if the late 80s-early 90s N/A 240s have a knock sensor or not. My 1987 740 Turbo has one, and I always run it on 87 octane. Even pulling a trailer up a steep grade in 110 degree heat, I don't get any knocking, or notice any difference in fuel economy or performance between 87 and 91 octane. Volvo does recommend using 91 octane under certain conditions (high temperatures, steep grades, etc.) but this is just to give an extra margin of safety. If you're getting pinging on 87 octane something is wrong. Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Sep 2, 2008, at 2:09 PM, Jerry Herrman wrote: I also get pinging on my 91 volvo 240 even on slight uphill pulls. If I agree that it should not ping, what specific steps do I take to find out and then remedy the problem? Jerry 82 240D (Now sold)I ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Volvo
I also get pinging on my 91 volvo 240 even on slight uphill pulls. If I agree that it should not ping, what specific steps do I take to find out and then remedy the problem? Jerry 82 240D (Now sold)I ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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No idea how it might apply to this situation but I had an 86 Suburban that pinged unless I ran midgrade fuel - until I changed out the valve seals. After a bit of running it was happy with the regular fuel and had more power and made better mileage. Maybe the oil being burned contributed to the carbon buildup? Do you get any blue smoke on first startup? That is what my truck did and what caused me to change the seals. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jerry Herrman Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 3:10 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Volvo I also get pinging on my 91 volvo 240 even on slight uphill pulls. If I agree that it should not ping, what specific steps do I take to find out and then remedy the problem? Jerry 82 240D (Now sold)I ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It has a knock sensor -- should set a trouble code if it's not working (at least the turbo's have a knock sensor, anyway). Will never knock, but running with the ignition retarded murders milage. One thing to check is the distributor shaft seal. If you have the engine with the distributor on the rear of the camshaft, the internal o-ring will eventually go bad and leak oil into the dizzy, with the predictable results (severe carbon tracking). Pull it and check -- if there's oil, you have to take the distributor shaft apart and renew the o-ring. Terrible PITA as they are usually VERY stuck, but worth it in better running. Peter On Sep 2, 2008, at 4:21 PM, R A Bennell wrote: No idea how it might apply to this situation but I had an 86 Suburban that pinged unless I ran midgrade fuel - until I changed out the valve seals. After a bit of running it was happy with the regular fuel and had more power and made better mileage. Maybe the oil being burned contributed to the carbon buildup? Do you get any blue smoke on first startup? That is what my truck did and what caused me to change the seals. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jerry Herrman Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 3:10 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Volvo I also get pinging on my 91 volvo 240 even on slight uphill pulls. If I agree that it should not ping, what specific steps do I take to find out and then remedy the problem? Jerry 82 240D (Now sold)I ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I would think it would cost more to build a safer car. I dont see how it could be the same. Hendrik Fay wrote: So Mercedes cars cost the same to build/develop as a Chinese car? So why do they charge so much money for them? Guess it is all that extra money they have to pay the workers, I can't wait till they build MB's in China and then we can buy Mercs for under 10K. Peter Frederick wrote: Doesn't cost a cent more to manufacture a fairly safe car than a hunk of junk. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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- Original Message - From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] And don't forget, the Chinese car is nothing like a Benz, and they cheat terribly on both materials and exchange rate. One of the same quality would be much more expensive, just like high quality Chinese or Japanese machine tools. Peter --- Speaking of Chinese machine tools, I've been getting regular flyers from Smithy machine tools in Ann Arbor, Michigan. Their very nice looking lathes, which also have a vertical mill, must be made in China; considering that their prices range from $1500 to only $3500 for relatively complex machines. Has anyone had experience with their lathes? Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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archer wrote: Speaking of Chinese machine tools, I've been getting regular flyers from Smithy machine tools in Ann Arbor, Michigan. Their very nice looking lathes, which also have a vertical mill, must be made in China; considering that their prices range from $1500 to only $3500 for relatively complex machines. Has anyone had experience with their lathes? No, but I've heard that Grizzly (spelling?) sells the same stuff cheaper. I've got a machinist friend in New England who told me several years ago to ask him what deal he could get before buying any Chinese machinery, but IIRC we were mostly talking about my driving out to his place and getting it loaded in my truck. Don't know if he could have it drop shipped, or if he still deals in machine tools. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Obviously it would cost more to build a current C class than a Hyundai. Both in development cost and cost of components. You can't just look at the actual cost of putting the machine together on an assembly line. The C class is full of near new technology while the Hyundai is a copy of technology from other manufacturers. Sure MB have to have a higher margin per car because of the amount of vehicles they sell. I did read how much money MB poured into the 204, something like 600 million (not sure if it was euros or $'s). Does Hyundai spend 600 million on developing one of their models? Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I would think it would cost more to build a safer car. I dont see how it could be the same. Hendrik Fay wrote: So Mercedes cars cost the same to build/develop as a Chinese car? So why do they charge so much money for them? Guess it is all that extra money they have to pay the workers, I can't wait till they build MB's in China and then we can buy Mercs for under 10K. Peter Frederick wrote: Doesn't cost a cent more to manufacture a fairly safe car than a hunk of junk. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volvo
So you got rid of the car because it didnt have an airbag? MB's have been plenty of safe long before there were airbags. I think they are overrated anyway. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: Jerry Herrman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:52 PM Subject: [MBZ] Volvo Sold my 82 240D. Pressure from wife. No airbag. Miss that diesel. Anyway, does anyone know if there is a list similar to this for owners of older Volvos? MINE PINGS, AND i HATE TO PAY EVEN HIGHER PRICES FOR PREMIUM FUEL. CAN'T RETARD THE SPARK, ITS ELECTRONIC.(didn't mean for that to come out in caps, too lazy to change it.) Jerry 82 240D (used to) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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So, now you sell the volvo, and buy a '90's 300D 2.5. It has an airbag, a Diesel engine, and burns less fuel. Sold my 82 240D. Pressure from wife. No airbag. Miss that diesel. Anyway, does anyone know if there is a list similar to this for owners of older Volvos? MINE PINGS, AND i HATE TO PAY EVEN HIGHER PRICES FOR PREMIUM FUEL. CAN'T RETARD THE SPARK, ITS ELECTRONIC.(didn't mean for that to come out in caps, too lazy to change it.) Jerry 82 240D (used to) -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli and/or Mark Twain '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Jerry, Brickboard.com for Volvo. Regards, Z ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have both a MB and Volvo, and while there doesn't seem to be a list quite like this for Volvos, there are email groups, and forums: Here's a few forums: http://www.brickboard.com/ http://www.swedishbricks.net/ http://forums.swedespeed.com/ a low bandwidth Volvo Yahoo group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HOT_240_VOLVOS/ Rob '85 MB 300D '86 Volvo 245 '80 BMW R100RT Costa Mesa, CA -- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:52:33 -0800 From: Jerry Herrman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Volvo To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sold my 82 240D. Pressure from wife. No airbag. Miss that diesel. Anyway, does anyone know if there is a list similar to this for owners of older Volvos? MINE PINGS, AND i HATE TO PAY EVEN HIGHER PRICES FOR PREMIUM FUEL. CAN'T RETARD THE SPARK, ITS ELECTRONIC.(didn't mean for that to come out in caps, too lazy to change it.) Jerry 82 240D (used to) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So you got rid of the car because it didnt have an airbag? MB's have been plenty of safe long before there were airbags. I think they are overrated anyway. Agreed, if you wear a seat belt the air bags are not likely to do a lot for you, and I don't really like driving around with a bomb pointed at my face all the time. When my F150 was hit (offset frontal collision) the airbag went off but I was wearing my seat belt and it (the airbag) never touched me. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Considering the bruises, your aunt's life was probably saved by the airbag. Before airbags, most head on collisions resulted in one or both driver's death. People often forget or don't understand the way it was before the first generation air bags. Drivers would collide with the steering wheel with such force that they would loose teeth, break jaws suffer severe facial lacerations. These injuries were always much more serious than what your aunt suffered. And without a seatbelt, the collision would have resulted in serious internal damage like a bruised heart, punctured lung, etc. Or worse, being launched through the windshield on to the hood of the car. Hit hard enough and the steering wheel rim would fold back, puncturing the chest with the center column. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:16 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volvo Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My auntie got front-ended a few months back by some girl who crossed the centerline, the air bag went off, burned her face and chest something fierce, and did a number on her face too as it was all bruised, puffy, black, ugly. If that was a first generation air bag those are especially aggressive, I think the DOT rule at that time was that they had to assume an unbelted driver. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My auntie got front-ended a few months back by some girl who crossed the centerline, the air bag went off, burned her face and chest something fierce, and did a number on her face too as it was all bruised, puffy, black, ugly. She had her belt on, that did a number on her where it held her, but her arm got jammed by the airbag and banged up good too. While she did not quite walk away (leg or ankle banged up pretty bad) she did survive and only spent a night in the hosp for observation. The car was totaled, the dumbass perps walked away ( bu will not escape her lawyer). Auntie had an Oldsmobile or Buick or something, small woman so sitting close to the wheel and the bag. --R Allan Streib wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So you got rid of the car because it didnt have an airbag? MB's have been plenty of safe long before there were airbags. I think they are overrated anyway. Agreed, if you wear a seat belt the air bags are not likely to do a lot for you, and I don't really like driving around with a bomb pointed at my face all the time. When my F150 was hit (offset frontal collision) the airbag went off but I was wearing my seat belt and it (the airbag) never touched me. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My auntie got front-ended a few months back by some girl who crossed the centerline, the air bag went off, burned her face and chest something fierce, and did a number on her face too as it was all bruised, puffy, black, ugly. If that was a first generation air bag those are especially aggressive, I think the DOT rule at that time was that they had to assume an unbelted driver. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Nov 20, 2007 10:32 AM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hit hard enough and the steering wheel rim would fold back, puncturing the chest with the center column. Aren't collapsible columns (in post-1968[?] cars) supposed to prevent such things? Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Depending on the model and year, you may have a bad knock sensor. The 90 and later ones have a knock sensor that retards the timing to eliminate the knock, but you really are better off with premium, you get much better power and less knock. Also check for a bad O2 sensor and vacuum leaks, as lean running will also cause knock the computer can't fix. Volvo's are supposed to be as good as Benzes in crashes, although I'm NOT going to voluteer to test mine, it's someone else's turn! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Correct. I told her she ought to go buy a lottery ticket too. --R Tom Hargrave wrote: Considering the bruises, your aunt's life was probably saved by the airbag. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Ah, the good old days. Makes you wonder why people insist on driving pickup trucks, which until a few years ago were identical to what they were in 1950 with the exception of a collapsable steering column. I remember the days when a front collision usually resulted in the death of the driver due to chest injuries from the steering wheel and column impaling them. Benz, naturally, had padded and them collapsable steering columns long before they were required in the US, and has always put the steering box way back behind the axle, unlike GM who used to hand the bumper on it. The driver that hit me doing about 60 walked away unscathed, due to the crush zones in both vehicles and his air bags. I just got a serious kick in the ribs and some glass in my arm. I'm quite happy. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Nov 20, 2007 2:57 PM, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, the good old days. Makes you wonder why people insist on driving pickup trucks, which until a few years ago were identical to what they were in 1950 with the exception of a collapsable steering column. I remember the days when a front collision usually resulted in the death of the driver due to chest injuries from the steering wheel and column impaling them. Don't forget the genius who put the gas tank inside the cabin so that the driver and passenger could more easily be incinerated. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My 68 Chevy has a steering shaft close to 4 feet long and about 3/4 of an inch in diameter. I wouldn't really want it to come poking through the steering wheel and into me. I have to admit that is one reason why I have considered selling it. My wife and one of my sons is opposed as they think it is a classic. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 4:57 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volvo Ah, the good old days. Makes you wonder why people insist on driving pickup trucks, which until a few years ago were identical to what they were in 1950 with the exception of a collapsable steering column. I remember the days when a front collision usually resulted in the death of the driver due to chest injuries from the steering wheel and column impaling them. Benz, naturally, had padded and them collapsable steering columns long before they were required in the US, and has always put the steering box way back behind the axle, unlike GM who used to hand the bumper on it. The driver that hit me doing about 60 walked away unscathed, due to the crush zones in both vehicles and his air bags. I just got a serious kick in the ribs and some glass in my arm. I'm quite happy. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The collapsible steering column was invented by GM in the late 60s and GM gave the patentable technology to the auto industry because they though it was too important to keep for themselves. This was the most important safety advancement in the 60's, probably followed by Mercedes inventing crumple zones in the early 60's. Mercedes also gave that patentable technology to the auto industry for the same reason GM gave the collapsible steering column to the auto industry. The most important safety advancement of all time probably is the driver side airbags, invented by Ford. Mercedes was the first manufacturer to have driver side airbags as standard equipment that was in the 300E. But nothing has advanced safety (and the cost) of vehicles than the state of California deciding that they had the right to sue the Federal Government for not imposing high enough safety standards! Now they are attempting the same thing with fuel economy standards. Hope you like driving itty bitty cars with itty bitty engines that get 60 MPG. If California has its way then they will soon be coming to a car lot near you! Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R A Bennell Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 5:13 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volvo- Steering Columns My 68 Chevy has a steering shaft close to 4 feet long and about 3/4 of an inch in diameter. I wouldn't really want it to come poking through the steering wheel and into me. I have to admit that is one reason why I have considered selling it. My wife and one of my sons is opposed as they think it is a classic. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 4:57 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volvo Ah, the good old days. Makes you wonder why people insist on driving pickup trucks, which until a few years ago were identical to what they were in 1950 with the exception of a collapsable steering column. I remember the days when a front collision usually resulted in the death of the driver due to chest injuries from the steering wheel and column impaling them. Benz, naturally, had padded and them collapsable steering columns long before they were required in the US, and has always put the steering box way back behind the axle, unlike GM who used to hand the bumper on it. The driver that hit me doing about 60 walked away unscathed, due to the crush zones in both vehicles and his air bags. I just got a serious kick in the ribs and some glass in my arm. I'm quite happy. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Actually, inside the cab was the safest place for the tank because it's in the center of the vehicle where it is less likely to get ruptured. By the way, isn't your Mercedes fuel tank right behind the back seat It's there for the same reason. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 5:06 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volvo On Nov 20, 2007 2:57 PM, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, the good old days. Makes you wonder why people insist on driving pickup trucks, which until a few years ago were identical to what they were in 1950 with the exception of a collapsable steering column. I remember the days when a front collision usually resulted in the death of the driver due to chest injuries from the steering wheel and column impaling them. Don't forget the genius who put the gas tank inside the cabin so that the driver and passenger could more easily be incinerated. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That's the point, airbags where developed for people who don't wear seatbelts. Do racing cars have airbags? Look at the Princess Diana crash, the only person who survived was the one wearing a seat belt and the driver with a air bag did not. Airbags are a false safety thing and a seatbelt with a restraint system is gonna do more in a serious crash. However if the missus feels happier to be driving a Swedish brick with a bag then why not. Hendrik no air bags but lots of seat belts that get put on before the car moves off Allan Streib wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So you got rid of the car because it didnt have an airbag? MB's have been plenty of safe long before there were airbags. I think they are overrated anyway. Agreed, if you wear a seat belt the air bags are not likely to do a lot for you, and I don't really like driving around with a bomb pointed at my face all the time. When my F150 was hit (offset frontal collision) the airbag went off but I was wearing my seat belt and it (the airbag) never touched me. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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have they improved air bags or is my government still hell bent on trying to kill little people. (hey, who can blame them?) On Nov 20, 2007 1:16 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My auntie got front-ended a few months back by some girl who crossed the centerline, the air bag went off, burned her face and chest something fierce, and did a number on her face too as it was all bruised, puffy, black, ugly. If that was a first generation air bag those are especially aggressive, I think the DOT rule at that time was that they had to assume an unbelted driver. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Nov 20, 2007 3:37 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, inside the cab was the safest place for the tank because it's in the center of the vehicle where it is less likely to get ruptured. I see your point, but it seems to me the advantage of the tank being in the center of the vehicle is far outweighed by the drawback of only having one thin layer of sheet metal between the gasoline and fragile humans. By the way, isn't your Mercedes fuel tank right behind the back seat Sure, but in that case it's isolated from the passenger compartment by the seatback and a second wall of steel, IIRC, greatly reducing the chance that inflammable vapors would occupy the same space as humans during a crash. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Race cars don't have air bags. They have full roll cages, 6 point restraint systems and head restraints. If we had the same on our cars then we would not need airbags. But then driving would not be near as much fun. Air bags were not developed for people who do not wear seatbelts, they were developed to work along with seatbelts because a seatbelt will not prevent you from over-extending your spine neck and a seatbelt will not prevent you from having a collision with the steering wheel. Seat belts were invented to prevent you from being ejected from the car. Shoulder harnesses were an improvement over just seat belts, but not much of one. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hendrik Fay Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 5:42 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volvo That's the point, airbags where developed for people who don't wear seatbelts. Do racing cars have airbags? Look at the Princess Diana crash, the only person who survived was the one wearing a seat belt and the driver with a air bag did not. Airbags are a false safety thing and a seatbelt with a restraint system is gonna do more in a serious crash. However if the missus feels happier to be driving a Swedish brick with a bag then why not. Hendrik no air bags but lots of seat belts that get put on before the car moves off Allan Streib wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So you got rid of the car because it didnt have an airbag? MB's have been plenty of safe long before there were airbags. I think they are overrated anyway. Agreed, if you wear a seat belt the air bags are not likely to do a lot for you, and I don't really like driving around with a bomb pointed at my face all the time. When my F150 was hit (offset frontal collision) the airbag went off but I was wearing my seat belt and it (the airbag) never touched me. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yet drivers still die in race cars and if we had all that stuff in the everyday cars, people would still die because they didn't put on their seat belts/harness and that is why you need air bags for idiots. If you dig into the history of the air bag you will find that the primary driving force behind it's development was the fact that a large percentage of people don't wear seatbelts (personally I think let em die, if they are too stupid/arrogant/ignorant to not spend 5 seconds putting on the belt they deserve to be culled from the gene pool). A seatbelt with active restraint will stop you hitting the steering wheel (depending on a number of factors) and then you can wait for the air bag to punch you in the face. Anyway if the government was serious about our safety they would mandate that every new vehicle be fitted with sensors that detect when a person is sitting on a seat and not wearing a seat belt and the car can't go until the idiot has managed to figure out how to use a seatbelt. Tom Hargrave wrote: Race cars don't have air bags. They have full roll cages, 6 point restraint systems and head restraints. If we had the same on our cars then we would not need airbags. But then driving would not be near as much fun. Air bags were not developed for people who do not wear seatbelts, they were developed to work along with seatbelts because a seatbelt will not prevent you from over-extending your spine neck and a seatbelt will not prevent you from having a collision with the steering wheel. Seat belts were invented to prevent you from being ejected from the car. Shoulder harnesses were an improvement over just seat belts, but not much of one. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hendrik Fay Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 5:42 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volvo That's the point, airbags where developed for people who don't wear seatbelts. Do racing cars have airbags? Look at the Princess Diana crash, the only person who survived was the one wearing a seat belt and the driver with a air bag did not. Airbags are a false safety thing and a seatbelt with a restraint system is gonna do more in a serious crash. However if the missus feels happier to be driving a Swedish brick with a bag then why not. Hendrik no air bags but lots of seat belts that get put on before the car moves off Allan Streib wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin, work [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So you got rid of the car because it didnt have an airbag? MB's have been plenty of safe long before there were airbags. I think they are overrated anyway. Agreed, if you wear a seat belt the air bags are not likely to do a lot for you, and I don't really like driving around with a bomb pointed at my face all the time. When my F150 was hit (offset frontal collision) the airbag went off but I was wearing my seat belt and it (the airbag) never touched me. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Air bags were not developed for people who do not wear seatbelts, I remember a magazine ad (I think it was Olds, or some GM marque) where they said their new air bag system eliminated the need to wear inconvenient and uncomfortable seat belts, in fact if you ordered the air bag system you could order the car *without* seat belts if you wanted... They may have been not have been developed to eliminate seat belts, but at least some automakers marketed them this way. they were developed to work along with seatbelts because a seatbelt will not prevent you from over-extending your spine neck and a seatbelt will not prevent you from having a collision with the steering wheel. I guess anecdotal evidence does not prove anything, but when I got hit in an offset head-on, both cars going 30 - 40 MPH, I did not hit the steering wheel OR the airbag because my seat/shoulder belt held me in place. I was completely uninjured. Seat belts were invented to prevent you from being ejected from the car. Shoulder harnesses were an improvement over just seat belts, but not much of one. Shoulder belts with inertial locking or active tensioning are quite an improvment IMO, they keep your upper body from pitching forward into the steering wheel or dash, whereas lap belts do not. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volvo
Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: have they improved air bags or is my government still hell bent on trying to kill little people. (hey, who can blame them?) I believe current technology airbags deploy with a force proportional to the impact, or they may assume that the driver is belted and does not need his/her full body weight restrained. I think some vehicles have a weight sensor in the seat and adjust the airbag force accordingly. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volvo seatbelts
Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyway if the government was serious about our safety they would mandate that every new vehicle be fitted with sensors that detect when a person is sitting on a seat and not wearing a seat belt and the car can't go until the idiot has managed to figure out how to use a seatbelt. Actually I think VW did that back in the '70s (had a starter interlock in the driver's seat belt) but people actually went to the trouble to bypass it or would buckle the seat belt behind them and just sit on it rather than wear the damn thing. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volvo seatbelts
On Nov 20, 2007 4:42 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyway if the government was serious about our safety they would mandate that every new vehicle be fitted with sensors that detect when a person is sitting on a seat and not wearing a seat belt and the car can't go until the idiot has managed to figure out how to use a seatbelt. Actually I think VW did that back in the '70s (had a starter interlock in the driver's seat belt) but people actually went to the trouble to bypass it or would buckle the seat belt behind them and just sit on it rather than wear the damn thing. All cars did for one year in the U.S.! Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volvo seatbelts
They did this, and I have had a couple of cars with this interlock. Granted, in 1974, the interlock was easily bypassed, either way, it was abandoned quickly. Nowadays, manufacturers just put a chime that gets really obnoxious if you go faster than 15 mph without your seatbelt attached. On Wed, Nov 21, 2007 at 10:50:41AM +1030, Hendrik Fay wrote: Anyway if the government was serious about our safety they would mandate that every new vehicle be fitted with sensors that detect when a person is sitting on a seat and not wearing a seat belt and the car can't go until the idiot has managed to figure out how to use a seatbelt. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volvo seatbelts
Never worked on a farm eh? My Dad's Jeep dings CONSTANTLY if you don't have your belt on. When we were at hunting camp a couple weeks ago we got quite adept at buckling the belt behind us once we got into the bush. If I get into an accident in the bush at 10mph I think I'll be okay. Around the farm the thing is even worse, if the engine is on for 5 minutes the doors lock automagically. Dad has managed to lock himself out TWICE. There are lots of times you might want to be out of the vehicle but keep it running, like if its cold out or when you're jumpstarting a very dead battery... Stupid auto features are a bane... -Curt Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:50:41 +1030 From: Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Volvo seatbelts To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Yet drivers still die in race cars and if we had all that stuff in the everyday cars, people would still die because they didn't put on their seat belts/harness and that is why you need air bags for idiots. If you dig into the history of the air bag you will find that the primary driving force behind it's development was the fact that a large percentage of people don't wear seatbelts (personally I think let em die, if they are too stupid/arrogant/ignorant to not spend 5 seconds putting on the belt they deserve to be culled from the gene pool). A seatbelt with active restraint will stop you hitting the steering wheel (depending on a number of factors) and then you can wait for the air bag to punch you in the face. Anyway if the government was serious about our safety they would mandate that every new vehicle be fitted with sensors that detect when a person is sitting on a seat and not wearing a seat belt and the car can't go until the idiot has managed to figure out how to use a seatbelt. - Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volvo
Another GM special -- dual fuel container and rear bumper mount. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volvo- Steering Columns
Mercedes patented the crumple zones in the late 40's, was in production in 1953 with the Ponton. Crushable steering columns were installed in the early 60's -- check out any Finny. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volvo- Steering Columns
Mercedes started working on airbags in the early 60s, too (tested in the W108s). Detail work kept them from being installed in cars for quite a while -- something about killing the passengers with the air bags and blowing the windows out Airbags are great. Only good for one shot, though, and no replacement for seat belts in any situation -- my belt kept me safely in my seat (although my head seems to have barked the roof, I got a nice rug burn in my big bald spot!). American manufacturers were busy spending huge piles of money lobbying Congress to stop legistation for safety features, not making safer cars, that lasted up to the mid 70's. Doesn't cost a cent more to manufacture a fairly safe car than a hunk of junk. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Volvo
The Benz tank is in the trunk, not the passenger compartment. There is a solid steel sheet between tank and seat, unlike the old PU where it was bare and the springs hit it. There is also quite a bit of crush room before you get to it, not a single thin sheet of low grade steel. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com