Re: [MBZ] Yet another reason to buy Michelin tires
But tires are only stamped with the month/year, so no help there in avpoiding a Friday/Monday product... On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 2:18 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > People who worked at one of the auto plants in Atlanta would tell you not > to buy cars built on Mondays or Fridays since many workers would take off > those days and temp workers, who didn't know the jobs, would substitute for > them. It may be the same at tire plants. > Gerry > > > The sam/costco/wallmert tires are never as good as the real thing. > > The tire company has no warranty for these. the seller uses their > > warranty to keep you coming back. > > I am sure the tire co puts the apprentice tire builders on the box > > stor tires, and the best tire builders on the OE tires, and some of > > each on the "brand" tires. > > I think cooper may be better because they don't sell OE tires, so the > > best tires go into the retail market. Time will tell. > > >Another thing to consider is if the tire is a big box store > > >"rebrand" of a tire, like a Michelin or Goodrich. I never had > > >issues with bad belts in tires until I bought brand name tires from > > >a big box retailer. > > > > > >Dan > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > - > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2015.0.6081 / Virus Database: 4401/10315 - Release Date: > 07/27/15 > > > > > -- > arche...@embarqmail.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet another reason to buy Michelin tires
People who worked at one of the auto plants in Atlanta would tell you not to buy cars built on Mondays or Fridays since many workers would take off those days and temp workers, who didn't know the jobs, would substitute for them. It may be the same at tire plants. Gerry > The sam/costco/wallmert tires are never as good as the real thing. > The tire company has no warranty for these. the seller uses their > warranty to keep you coming back. > I am sure the tire co puts the apprentice tire builders on the box > stor tires, and the best tire builders on the OE tires, and some of > each on the "brand" tires. > I think cooper may be better because they don't sell OE tires, so the > best tires go into the retail market. Time will tell. > >Another thing to consider is if the tire is a big box store > >"rebrand" of a tire, like a Michelin or Goodrich. I never had > >issues with bad belts in tires until I bought brand name tires from > >a big box retailer. > > > >Dan > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > - > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.6081 / Virus Database: 4401/10315 - Release Date: 07/27/15 > -- arche...@embarqmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet another reason to buy Michelin tires
Traction and noise. Round shape is not sufficient. I've bought two or three cars that came with Michelin tires, which looked great but wouldn't hold the road. Bad experiences can improve wisdom, which leads to good judgement. In my case that process can take years... I know how my wife drives; I need good tires! In my estimation, Michelin tires are expensive for what you get. I would probably be suspicious of their traction once they had more than a few years on them, so I'd rather pay less for a tire that has the same or better traction verified by testing (TireRack.com), but then again the tested tire size is rarely the same as any of my cars, YMMV, TANSTAAFL, void where prohibited by law, etc etc etc. -Max On July 27, 2015 10:06:04 AM EDT, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" wrote: >Why have you been avoiding Michelins? On parts cars I have seen >Michelins that have to be at least 20 years old that still hold air if >that counts for anything. > >Sent from my iPhone > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet another reason to buy Michelin tires
The sam/costco/wallmert tires are never as good as the real thing. The tire company has no warranty for these. the seller uses their warranty to keep you coming back. I am sure the tire co puts the apprentice tire builders on the box stor tires, and the best tire builders on the OE tires, and some of each on the "brand" tires. I think cooper may be better because they don't sell OE tires, so the best tires go into the retail market. Time will tell. Another thing to consider is if the tire is a big box store "rebrand" of a tire, like a Michelin or Goodrich. I never had issues with bad belts in tires until I bought brand name tires from a big box retailer. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet another reason to buy Michelin tires
Another thing to consider is if the tire is a big box store "rebrand" of a tire, like a Michelin or Goodrich. I never had issues with bad belts in tires until I bought brand name tires from a big box retailer. Dan Sent from my iPad > On Jul 27, 2015, at 8:59 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > Unfortunately I think tire quality can vary significantly between sizes, as > well as manufacturer date, so (insert brand name here) tires with the same > model name can perform at opposite ends of the quality spectrum, if they are > different sizes, made on different days, made by different plants, etc. > > User reviews should be highly discounted as biased to either extreme, in my > opinion. > > Another complication: makers stop offering a particular model before you can > buy replacement tires, because the first set lasts so long! > > In the end, I think buying tires is like rolling the dice. I try to pay a > low price, but each set needs to be judged on its merits. > > I do agree that Michelin tires tend to have higher quality and last longer, > but in my experience they become too slick and noisy long before the tread is > worn out, and I value traction above all else, followed by noise. > -- > Max Dillon > Charleston SC > '87 300TD > '95 E300 > >> On July 27, 2015 8:28:56 AM EDT, Mitch Haley via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> >> After 30k miles the Altimax HP on the Olds are doing fine. >> They don't stick like they did 7 years ago though. Back then >> the car couldn't spin the front tires no matter what. Now it >> happens any time I give it more than 1/2 throttle from a standing >> start. >> >> Bought a used Taurus in 2001 with fairly new Continental touring >> tires on it. Over the nest few years and 30k miles, all four of >> them came apart. >> >> When I bought tires for the 210 4Matic wagon, I wanted to get >> Continental >> DWS, which were some of the best 'all season' snow tires at Tire Rack. >> There were enough belt failure reviews on the web that I ended up >> buying >> General G-Max instead. No problems to note so far, but I was surprised >> at how easy it was to kick the tail out the first time I drove it >> in the snow with the brand new 'all season' Generals on it. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet another reason to buy Michelin tires
Why have you been avoiding Michelins? On parts cars I have seen Michelins that have to be at least 20 years old that still hold air if that counts for anything. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 27, 2015, at 7:15 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > Hmm, I would have used a different subject line, "Yet another reason NOT to > but General tires..." > > I've been avoiding Michelin tires for fifteen years, haven't ever tried > General tires, only one slipped belt. Continental and Sumitomo have worked > ok so far. > -- > Max Dillon > Charleston SC > '87 300TD > '95 E300 > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet another reason to buy Michelin tires
I have had good luck with Michelins, the Sams and Costco varieties --R On 7/27/15 8:15 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: Hmm, I would have used a different subject line, "Yet another reason NOT to but General tires..." I've been avoiding Michelin tires for fifteen years, haven't ever tried General tires, only one slipped belt. Continental and Sumitomo have worked ok so far. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet another reason to buy Michelin tires
Unfortunately I think tire quality can vary significantly between sizes, as well as manufacturer date, so (insert brand name here) tires with the same model name can perform at opposite ends of the quality spectrum, if they are different sizes, made on different days, made by different plants, etc. User reviews should be highly discounted as biased to either extreme, in my opinion. Another complication: makers stop offering a particular model before you can buy replacement tires, because the first set lasts so long! In the end, I think buying tires is like rolling the dice. I try to pay a low price, but each set needs to be judged on its merits. I do agree that Michelin tires tend to have higher quality and last longer, but in my experience they become too slick and noisy long before the tread is worn out, and I value traction above all else, followed by noise. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 Much of the tire quality is related to the tire builder in the plant. Most plants now have high turnover, so the tires don't last long, because of the low skill/artisan level of the tire builder. I agree, it is a crapshoot, unless you can get Continentals built in Germany. I've never had a failure with those. Tire builder is a physically demanding job. I agree with Max, traction is the key. you have only a few square inches of contact surface between the vehicle and the road. You need traction in wet, muddy, schnee and ice conditions as well as very hot and very cold dry conditions. Tires are the best insurance you can buy. Mid range tires generally offer the best traction/value compromise. Personally, I like blizzaks and a summer road tire combination. Blizzak/general is an acceptable combo, though not optimal. High mileage/long wearing tires generally have poor traction. Back in the 70s when GM put long wearing uniroyals on their new cars, the junkyards were loaded with GM low mileage vehicles that slid into something, or slid off the road and rolled. Crappy tars, but they lasted a lot of miles.s ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet another reason to buy Michelin tires
Unfortunately I think tire quality can vary significantly between sizes, as well as manufacturer date, so (insert brand name here) tires with the same model name can perform at opposite ends of the quality spectrum, if they are different sizes, made on different days, made by different plants, etc. User reviews should be highly discounted as biased to either extreme, in my opinion. Another complication: makers stop offering a particular model before you can buy replacement tires, because the first set lasts so long! In the end, I think buying tires is like rolling the dice. I try to pay a low price, but each set needs to be judged on its merits. I do agree that Michelin tires tend to have higher quality and last longer, but in my experience they become too slick and noisy long before the tread is worn out, and I value traction above all else, followed by noise. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On July 27, 2015 8:28:56 AM EDT, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: > > >After 30k miles the Altimax HP on the Olds are doing fine. >They don't stick like they did 7 years ago though. Back then >the car couldn't spin the front tires no matter what. Now it >happens any time I give it more than 1/2 throttle from a standing >start. > >Bought a used Taurus in 2001 with fairly new Continental touring >tires on it. Over the nest few years and 30k miles, all four of >them came apart. > >When I bought tires for the 210 4Matic wagon, I wanted to get >Continental >DWS, which were some of the best 'all season' snow tires at Tire Rack. >There were enough belt failure reviews on the web that I ended up >buying >General G-Max instead. No problems to note so far, but I was surprised >at how easy it was to kick the tail out the first time I drove it >in the snow with the brand new 'all season' Generals on it. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet another reason to buy Michelin tires
> On July 27, 2015 at 8:15 AM Max Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Hmm, I would have used a different subject line, "Yet another reason NOT to > but General tires..." > > I've been avoiding Michelin tires for fifteen years, haven't ever tried > General tires, only one slipped belt. Continental and Sumitomo have worked ok > so far. After 30k miles the Altimax HP on the Olds are doing fine. They don't stick like they did 7 years ago though. Back then the car couldn't spin the front tires no matter what. Now it happens any time I give it more than 1/2 throttle from a standing start. Bought a used Taurus in 2001 with fairly new Continental touring tires on it. Over the nest few years and 30k miles, all four of them came apart. When I bought tires for the 210 4Matic wagon, I wanted to get Continental DWS, which were some of the best 'all season' snow tires at Tire Rack. There were enough belt failure reviews on the web that I ended up buying General G-Max instead. No problems to note so far, but I was surprised at how easy it was to kick the tail out the first time I drove it in the snow with the brand new 'all season' Generals on it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet another reason to buy Michelin tires
Hmm, I would have used a different subject line, "Yet another reason NOT to but General tires..." I've been avoiding Michelin tires for fifteen years, haven't ever tried General tires, only one slipped belt. Continental and Sumitomo have worked ok so far. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Yet another reason to buy Michelin tires
I had a set of general tires on my 2500 duramax for the last few years, probably still had at least half or more of tread left, very even wear. For the last maybe 5k or more miles I have had an annoying vibration that I could not balance out. One tire had a little bit of slipped belt. In the last few days what was an annoyance turned into a major issue as in the truck felt like it was going to shake apart. I had a set of Michelins LTX highway tires that were ordered for my 2wd suburban but this truck needs tires now as I am not sure if they will blow up at any minute or not. If I ordered then for my 4wd truck I would have ordered the AT tires. Oh well I don't go off road that much anyway exempt to load or unload in the pasture and have got stuck several times with these supposedly off road general tires when they should have easily got me out. So my tire machine is still at the old house so in the 110 heat index I installed the Michelins on the truck. 2 of the Generals had major bulge from slipped belts. The other 2 looked like possibly they had the beginning of slipped belts but not sure. My spin balanced has already been moved to the new shop so I did not balance the wheels at all. On the ride home the Michelins were perfectly smooth with no weights at all up to 70mph, which is as fast as I went with the truck bed fully loaded with parts and the trailer loaded with a 124. I'm going to pull the wheels back off tomorrow and balance them but heck they just about don't need it. The generals only had maybe 20k on them. I had a set of generals on a 140 that developed a bulge in the side wall bad on 1 tire and slightly on a couple others. I also had a set on my 124 that I did not like but only had a few miles on then and moved them over I the kids 124 and they did were not on there very long before they had some problem. Sent from my iPhone The Generals I've had on cars are no good in schnee. but they wear decently and did not slipped belts. We will see how well the michelins hold up in a few years. FWIW, the Michelins I've had all came apart. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Yet another reason to buy Michelin tires
I had a set of general tires on my 2500 duramax for the last few years, probably still had at least half or more of tread left, very even wear. For the last maybe 5k or more miles I have had an annoying vibration that I could not balance out. One tire had a little bit of slipped belt. In the last few days what was an annoyance turned into a major issue as in the truck felt like it was going to shake apart. I had a set of Michelins LTX highway tires that were ordered for my 2wd suburban but this truck needs tires now as I am not sure if they will blow up at any minute or not. If I ordered then for my 4wd truck I would have ordered the AT tires. Oh well I don't go off road that much anyway exempt to load or unload in the pasture and have got stuck several times with these supposedly off road general tires when they should have easily got me out. So my tire machine is still at the old house so in the 110 heat index I installed the Michelins on the truck. 2 of the Generals had major bul ge from slipped belts. The other 2 looked like possibly they had the beginning of slipped belts but not sure. My spin balanced has already been moved to the new shop so I did not balance the wheels at all. On the ride home the Michelins were perfectly smooth with no weights at all up to 70mph, which is as fast as I went with the truck bed fully loaded with parts and the trailer loaded with a 124. I'm going to pull the wheels back off tomorrow and balance them but heck they just about don't need it. The generals only had maybe 20k on them. I had a set of generals on a 140 that developed a bulge in the side wall bad on 1 tire and slightly on a couple others. I also had a set on my 124 that I did not like but only had a few miles on then and moved them over I the kids 124 and they did were not on there very long before they had some problem. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
