Re: [MBZ] Sudden loss of mystery oil in W123 300TD wagon

2015-09-01 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> Andrew wrote: > > This is a chicken and egg kind of thing. Did the SLS pump > fail, sending oil through the system that damaged the > spheres? If so, did this the flex hose to rupture? On the > other hand, if the spheres were already defective, could > this somehow have led to contamination of

Re: [MBZ] Sudden loss of mystery oil in W123 300TD wagon

2015-09-01 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I did change the SLS relatively recently and it has been clear. I'll re-check the clarity of the remaining fluid in the SLS fill canister. If it's still clear and not sooty then it's likely that the faulty flex hose itself had deteriorated to the point of contaminating the SLS fluid locally. On

Re: [MBZ] Sudden loss of mystery oil in W123 300TD wagon

2015-08-31 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
You are correct. A leaky flex hose is the culprit. Part's on order from the dealership. On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 7:20 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Sounds like SLS fluid to me, as Curt pointed out the differential fluid > will reek of sulfur. > > If you start the

Re: [MBZ] Sudden loss of mystery oil in W123 300TD wagon

2015-08-31 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
The tech says it's a leaky SLS flex hose, between the rear strut and nitrogen accumulator (air cell). This is better than replacing the rear diff. :) Since the fluid is supposed to be clear but is black, does this also mean my air cells are compromised and should be replaced again with new

Re: [MBZ] Sudden loss of mystery oil in W123 300TD wagon

2015-08-31 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I would do a flush and fill of your SLS system if the fluid is black. That's a good indication that it hasn't been changed in some time. Simple to do and will cost under $30, if that. Dan Sent from my iPad > On Aug 31, 2015, at 12:55 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes >

Re: [MBZ] Sudden loss of mystery oil in W123 300TD wagon

2015-08-31 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Andrew: David wrote that black fluid can mean the SLS pump seals are leaking engine oil into the SLS system. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe

Re: [MBZ] Sudden loss of mystery oil in W123 300TD wagon

2015-08-31 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
My tech thinks the air cells have gone bad but they are less than 5 years old... On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Andrew: David wrote that black fluid can mean the SLS pump seals are > leaking engine oil into the SLS system. > -- > Max

Re: [MBZ] Sudden loss of mystery oil in W123 300TD wagon

2015-08-31 Thread Fred Moir via Mercedes
400 > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sudden loss of mystery oil in W123 300TD wagon > From: mercedes@okiebenz.com > CC: astrasfo...@gmail.com; dillonm...@gmail.com > > My tech thinks the air cells have gone bad but they are less than 5 years > old... > > On Mon

Re: [MBZ] Sudden loss of mystery oil in W123 300TD wagon

2015-08-31 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
n next and I hope that > the engine oil has not rotted the spheres diaphragms. > YMMV > Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. > > > Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 14:11:03 -0400 > > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sudden loss of mystery oil in W123 300TD wagon &

Re: [MBZ] Sudden loss of mystery oil in W123 300TD wagon

2015-08-31 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
The tech says it's a leaky SLS flex hose, between the rear strut and nitrogen accumulator (air cell). This is better than replacing the rear diff. :) Since the fluid is supposed to be clear but is black, does this also mean my air cells are compromised and should be replaced again with new

Re: [MBZ] Sudden loss of mystery oil in W123 300TD wagon

2015-08-31 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
[MBZ] Sudden loss of mystery oil in W123 300TD wagon Andrew:  David wrote that black fluid can mean the SLS pump seals are leaking engine oil into the SLS system.  -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search

Re: [MBZ] Sudden loss of mystery oil in W123 300TD wagon

2015-08-31 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Cc: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com>; Max Dillon < > dillonm...@gmail.com> > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 2:11 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sudden loss of mystery oil in W123 300TD wagon > > My tech t

Re: [MBZ] Sudden loss of mystery oil in W123 300TD wagon

2015-08-31 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
5 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sudden loss of mystery oil in W123 300TD wagon This is a chicken and egg kind of thing. Did the SLS pump fail, sending oil through the system that damaged the spheres? If so, did this the flex hose to rupture? On the other hand, if the spheres were alread

Re: [MBZ] Sudden loss of mystery oil in W123 300TD wagon

2015-08-31 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
From: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com> > To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>; Curt Raymond < > curtlud...@yahoo.com> > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 4:33 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sudden loss of mystery oil in W123 300TD wagon > >

Re: [MBZ] Sudden loss of mystery oil in W123 300TD wagon

2015-08-31 Thread David Bruckmann via Mercedes
Just like old brake hoses, the hydraulic flex hoses don't last forever. If anything they don't last as long because it's a mineral fluid, but they're not as much of a life safety system. And if you load the car heavily, of course that puts more stress on the hoses. Fluid could get murky from a

Re: [MBZ] Sudden loss of mystery oil in W123 300TD wagon

2015-08-31 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
I don't see how the spheres could turn the oil black while I do see how the engine oil could. Non-diesels don't usually get black oil. But I've seen black SLS on those. The rubber diaphragms in the spheres can decompose, as can the rubber strut hoses. The rest of the system is 'hard'. --

Re: [MBZ] Sudden loss of mystery oil in W123 300TD wagon

2015-08-31 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Sounds like SLS fluid to me, as Curt pointed out the differential fluid will reek of sulfur. If you start the car and the drip / leak resumes, probably SLS. Other possibilities: brake fluid (bitter taste), fuel (should smell like diesel). While the car is loaded with mulch, the SLS fluid

Re: [MBZ] Sudden loss of mystery oil in W123 300TD wagon

2015-08-31 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
Jim said: But I've seen black SLS on those. The rubber diaphragms in the spheres can decompose, as can the rubber strut hoses. ... This agrees with my experience (79 TD). After I replaced the old black SLS oil and bad spheres, the new oil remained clear for several years.

Re: [MBZ] Sudden loss of mystery oil in W123 300TD wagon

2015-08-30 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Sorry - it's black. I have drained and replenished the rear diff fluid on several of my cars over the years Some is thin (for my W109 with ir suspension) whereas others are 90W and syrupy. I am now unclear as to what it might be. On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 10:18 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes

Re: [MBZ] Sudden loss of mystery oil in W123 300TD wagon

2015-08-30 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Diff oil isn't thin and it smells really bad of sulfur, it should be easily identifiable. I assume you'd have said if it was black engine oil. ATF is red, your power steering fluid might be too. SLS is, I think, mostly colorless. You did check the color of the fluid didn't you? -Curt From:

Re: [MBZ] Sudden loss of mystery oil in W123 300TD wagon

2015-08-30 Thread David Bruckmann via Mercedes
SLS fluid ought to be clear or light green/blue if the Febi version, but is often black when the pump seals start to go and allow engine oil to mingle with the hydraulic oil. This would be evident in the reservoir as well. Andrew Strasfogel wrote: SLS fluid is clear and not black. --

Re: [MBZ] Sudden loss of mystery oil in W123 300TD wagon

2015-08-30 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
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