Re: [MBZ] "smart" cars (Not Smart)

[G Mann via Mercedes]

If I take on no new projects I only need to live to 140 to finish what's in
the plans.. ;)))

If you want to live a long time, keep involved in what you love to do. ...
well, that, and pick your ancestors carefully.

On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 5:25 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
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> My grandmother will be 99 in October, she has told us she'll reach 100,
> beyond that she has no plans.She's slipping a little these days but
> honestly she's always been a little wacky so it can be hard to tell
> sometimes.
> Curt
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>   On Sat, Apr 14, 2018 at 9:54 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   My great uncle, who was about 50 years
> older than me, could outwalk me
> when he was 85.  He lived to be 99.  A cousin of my dad's just kicked
> off at 99!  I can only hope I make it that far...
>
> archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
> > Heh! Heh! I'll be 89 in July. When I get to be 99, then I might brag a
> little bit. Actually it's not unusual to live to be over 100 nowadays, and
> that's often people who never expected it. It seems to be modern medicine
> and easier lives than our forebears lived which plays a big role.
> > Gerry
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] "smart" cars (Not Smart)

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

My grandmother will be 99 in October, she has told us she'll reach 100, beyond 
that she has no plans.She's slipping a little these days but honestly she's 
always been a little wacky so it can be hard to tell sometimes.
Curt
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  On Sat, Apr 14, 2018 at 9:54 PM, Curley McLain via 
Mercedes wrote:   My great uncle, who was about 50 years 
older than me, could outwalk me 
when he was 85.  He lived to be 99.  A cousin of my dad's just kicked 
off at 99!  I can only hope I make it that far...

archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
> Heh! Heh! I'll be 89 in July. When I get to be 99, then I might brag a little 
> bit. Actually it's not unusual to live to be over 100 nowadays, and that's 
> often people who never expected it. It seems to be modern medicine and easier 
> lives than our forebears lived which plays a big role.
> Gerry
>


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Re: [MBZ] "smart" cars (Not Smart)

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

My great uncle, who was about 50 years older than me, could outwalk me 
when he was 85.  He lived to be 99.  A cousin of my dad's just kicked 
off at 99!   I can only hope I make it that far...


archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:

Heh! Heh! I'll be 89 in July. When I get to be 99, then I might brag a little 
bit. Actually it's not unusual to live to be over 100 nowadays, and that's 
often people who never expected it. It seems to be modern medicine and easier 
lives than our forebears lived which plays a big role.
Gerry




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Re: [MBZ] "smart" cars (Not Smart)

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Heh! Heh! I'll be 89 in July. When I get to be 99, then I might brag a little 
bit. Actually it's not unusual to live to be over 100 nowadays, and that's 
often people who never expected it. It seems to be modern medicine and easier 
lives than our forebears lived which plays a big role.
Gerry
~
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Rick Knoble via Mercedes  wrote:

> Gerry sez:
> 
> >We Geezers
> 
> How old are you now?
> 
> If I remember correctly, you are about 87-88?
> 
> Our very own Gerry-atric Benz-a-holic!
> 
> Rick
> Who will be quite happy to be breathing, let alone working on anything in his 
> eighty's.  
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Re: [MBZ] "smart" cars (Not Smart)

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Gerry sez:

>We Geezers

How old are you now?

If I remember correctly, you are about 87-88?

Our very own Gerry-atric Benz-a-holic!

Rick
Who will be quite happy to be breathing, let alone working on anything in his 
eighty's.  



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Re: [MBZ] "smart" cars (Not Smart)

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Yeah, those Hondys are bad news. Now, if they had bought a Tojo they could have 
relaxed and the Tojo would have driven them home. (Just kidding!) 

We Geezers call them Tojo's because General Tojo was the infamous top Japanese 
general during WW-2 that everybody hated.

After driving the Tojo 25K miles just around the county; (I've only made 2 
trips on the interstate which were sort of hair raising in the middle lane of 
I-75 South when surrounded by big cars and trucks doing 80); it's just now 
needed it's first repair.

The "Red Light of Death" (check engine light) came on, and testing identified 
it as the 12 volt electric pump that drives the inverter cooling system.

The inverter(s) change the 400+ traction battery volts to 12 volts for running 
the computers, lights, and all the other geejaws that need 12 volts which 
include charging the 12 volt battery; as well as changing the 400+ volts to 
140+ volts for running the air conditioning compressor, so it needs it's own 
cooling system.
In order to change the 12 volt pump, the left front fender; which is made of 
tin that's not much thicker than a tin can, has to be loosened and the left 
headlight assembly removed. Then it's a simple job to disconnect the hoses and 
install the new pump.
 
While the Tojo has been down, I've been driving the 240D. I was thinking about 
selling the diesels and going "modern", but getting into the innards of the Tojo
changed my mind. There just isn't much between you and a vehicle that hits you 
head on in the Tojo or nearly any of the these "modern" short-hooded cars.

Driving the 240D is so much more relaxing than driving the Tojo, I might sell 
the Tojo and pretty much rebuild the 240D which needs the usual upgrades of a 
35 year old Mercedes; rubber all around, various suspension parts, slow leaking 
A/C lines, etc. The 190K engine still runs like a new one, as does the 
stickshift transmission. Amazingly the rear axle boots are still in good shape.

Anyway, back to the shop and the Tojo which still needs 3 quarts of coolant and 
re-assembly. This car has more nuts and bolts than an old Erector set.

Gerry

~~~
On Sat, 14 Apr 2018 13:00:48 -0500
Curley McLain via Mercedes  wrote:

> This does not have to do with a Smart (TM) car.
> 
> Some friends just got home form FL, driving a 2017 Hondog pitot with all 
> the latest electronic "smart" crap. "lane control"  "Driver assist" and 
> a slew of other "marketing phrases" are built into the POS.They got 
> into schnee for the last 35 or so miles, (out of 1500 or so) and shortly 
> after the "Driver assist" electronics went bizerk.   According to their 
> report, the thing was steering them all over the road (Interstate).   
> They slowed, got off, and continued the last 20  miles or so driving 
> slowly on gravel roads.   Apparently the electrons let them drive(or at 
> least steer) the veeehicle if they were slow enough.
> 
> There is no way (that they can find) to turn off this crap. When the 
> "elektronisch getrankt"  the thing can kill you.
> 
> It is quite possible that schnee or road slop froze over some sensor 
> that caused this behavior, but whatever the cause, the result is dangerous.
> 
> If you have newish vehicles, BEWARE!!UNSAFE AT HIGHWAY SPEEDS!   
> WHERE is Ralphie Nadir when you need him?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] "smart" cars (Not Smart)

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Apr 15 is the average date of last frost.

Thanks to OK Don and Rich for good ideas.  I will send those and any 
more that surface on to them.  Sounds like they should investigate a supabru


Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

On April 14, 2018 at 2:00 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes  
wrote:


This does not have to do with a Smart (TM) car.

Some friends just got home form FL, driving a 2017 Hondog pitot with all
the latest electronic "smart" crap. "lane control"  "Driver assist" and
a slew of other "marketing phrases" are built into the POS.They got
into schnee for the last 35 or so miles


That's why most of my friends are coming home NEXT month.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] "smart" cars (Not Smart)

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On April 14, 2018 at 2:00 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> This does not have to do with a Smart (TM) car.
> 
> Some friends just got home form FL, driving a 2017 Hondog pitot with all 
> the latest electronic "smart" crap. "lane control"  "Driver assist" and 
> a slew of other "marketing phrases" are built into the POS.They got 
> into schnee for the last 35 or so miles

That's why most of my friends are coming home NEXT month. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] "smart" cars (Not Smart)

[OK Don via Mercedes]

You have to actively turn the nannies on in our Subaru - and can just as
easily turn them off . . .
I've never turned on the "lane assist" stuff.

On Sat, Apr 14, 2018 at 1:00 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> This does not have to do with a Smart (TM) car.
>
> Some friends just got home form FL, driving a 2017 Hondog pitot with all
> the latest electronic "smart" crap. "lane control"  "Driver assist" and a
> slew of other "marketing phrases" are built into the POS.They got into
> schnee for the last 35 or so miles, (out of 1500 or so) and shortly after
> the "Driver assist" electronics went bizerk.   According to their report,
> the thing was steering them all over the road (Interstate).   They slowed,
> got off, and continued the last 20  miles or so driving slowly on gravel
> roads.   Apparently the electrons let them drive(or at least steer) the
> veeehicle if they were slow enough.
>
> There is no way (that they can find) to turn off this crap. When the
> "elektronisch getrankt"  the thing can kill you.
>
> It is quite possible that schnee or road slop froze over some sensor that
> caused this behavior, but whatever the cause, the result is dangerous.
>
> If you have newish vehicles, BEWARE!!UNSAFE AT HIGHWAY SPEEDS!   WHERE
> is Ralphie Nadir when you need him?
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] "smart" cars (Not Smart)

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I wonder if that behavior is a result of the automotive equivalent of the BSOD 
and the car needs a hard reboot. Not that having that happen is in any way 
acceptable but that might be how to get the nannies back in line. 

They also need to get to the stealer and document the problem and get all the 
info in the system then get copies of the service and send it all to NHTSA and 
the newspaper and tv outlets. It could get picked up on the wire and get some 
exposure. 

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> On Apr 14, 2018, at 2:00 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> This does not have to do with a Smart (TM) car.
> 
> Some friends just got home form FL, driving a 2017 Hondog pitot with all the 
> latest electronic "smart" crap. "lane control"  "Driver assist" and a slew of 
> other "marketing phrases" are built into the POS.They got into schnee for 
> the last 35 or so miles, (out of 1500 or so) and shortly after the "Driver 
> assist" electronics went bizerk.   According to their report, the thing was 
> steering them all over the road (Interstate).   They slowed, got off, and 
> continued the last 20  miles or so driving slowly on gravel roads.   
> Apparently the electrons let them drive(or at least steer) the veeehicle if 
> they were slow enough.
> 
> There is no way (that they can find) to turn off this crap. When the 
> "elektronisch getrankt"  the thing can kill you.
> 
> It is quite possible that schnee or road slop froze over some sensor that 
> caused this behavior, but whatever the cause, the result is dangerous.
> 
> If you have newish vehicles, BEWARE!!UNSAFE AT HIGHWAY SPEEDS!   WHERE is 
> Ralphie Nadir when you need him?
> 
> 
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[MBZ] "smart" cars (Not Smart)

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

This does not have to do with a Smart (TM) car.

Some friends just got home form FL, driving a 2017 Hondog pitot with all 
the latest electronic "smart" crap. "lane control"  "Driver assist" and 
a slew of other "marketing phrases" are built into the POS.They got 
into schnee for the last 35 or so miles, (out of 1500 or so) and shortly 
after the "Driver assist" electronics went bizerk.   According to their 
report, the thing was steering them all over the road (Interstate).   
They slowed, got off, and continued the last 20  miles or so driving 
slowly on gravel roads.   Apparently the electrons let them drive(or at 
least steer) the veeehicle if they were slow enough.


There is no way (that they can find) to turn off this crap. When the 
"elektronisch getrankt"  the thing can kill you.


It is quite possible that schnee or road slop froze over some sensor 
that caused this behavior, but whatever the cause, the result is dangerous.


If you have newish vehicles, BEWARE!!UNSAFE AT HIGHWAY SPEEDS!   
WHERE is Ralphie Nadir when you need him?




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