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I really love my VW Beetle TDI. There is now a fix for the 2009-2014 TDI’s, so there will be plenty from which to choose once the previously bought back models hit the market Kevin in Hillsboro, OR Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 10, 2017, at 8:08 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes >

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I'll see what I can do for ya'll about the pictures... I understand what you mean about the appliance feel.  I'm not crazy about leaving the MB family... LarryT On 12/10/2017 7:30 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: Larry sez: ‎I might look for >Camry/Avalon/Maxima/Accord and be >done

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Might try a Jetta or Passat diesel. Fine automobiles EPA be dammed. Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 6:45 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote: Yep,  still have the 911.  Unfortunately, I haven't driven it since Nov. 2016 and I sorely

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Might try a Jetta or Passat diesel. Fine automobiles EPA be dammed. Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 6:45 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote: Yep,  still have the 911.  Unfortunately, I haven't driven it since Nov. 2016 and I sorely

Re: [MBZ] 2009 MB E320 Blue TEC

> On December 10, 2017 at 7:31 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" > wrote: > > > Seems like MB would have required premium for a reason. > > I thought the reason was that it hurt the catalyst to retard the timing that much. About 10kmi after I started running my

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DAIMLER CHRYSLER bowties and bean counters. (heavy on the the Chrysler) Those cars are gussied up dodges with better safety features and lots of electronics toys. Larry Turner via Mercedes December 10, 2017 at 10:42 AM Thanks Gang, A couple more

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As I mentioned earlier in the thread, no, nothing of significance. And I keep very detailed records on my cars, so I would know it. Definitely less than a mile per gallon, maybe half a mile if that. -D > On Dec 10, 2017, at 7:54 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes >

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Any mileage drop? On 12/10/2017 6:33 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Agreed. However, I’ve been watching this experiment very, very closely, and for the life of me I can't find anything detrimental about it so far. -D On Dec 10, 2017, at 7:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes

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Most modern car engines have "knock" sensors that listen for detonation, and retard the timing to stop it. Premium fuel allows you to run it a full power at the high compression ratios they now build without detonating. When you run regular in it, the timing has to be retarded to prevent burning

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Agreed. However, I’ve been watching this experiment very, very closely, and for the life of me I can't find anything detrimental about it so far. -D > On Dec 10, 2017, at 7:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > Seems like MB would have required premium

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Seems like MB would have required premium for a reason. On 12/10/2017 6:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: The 2002 E320 has been running on regular unleaded for at least three months. Minor drop in economy, otherwise no noticeable effects according to the driver. Todd (Knutson) says

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Larry sez: >‎I might look for >Camry/Avalon/Maxima/Accord and be >done with it...   After driving German iron for how many years? You will not be pleased with appliance like feel of a Japanese car. Go with a W210, the consensus seems to be they are fine cars. 2001 or 2002 with low miles, and

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The 2002 E320 has been running on regular unleaded for at least three months. Minor drop in economy, otherwise no noticeable effects according to the driver. Todd (Knutson) says he’s been running his fleet of 4-5 W210s for several years on regular unleaded without issues. I have to believe if

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You can always buy my 2016 Chevy. Just had the oil changed at the dealer with the GM synthetic stuff, so it's maintenance free for the next 7000 miles. Direct injection, so it's kind of like a CDI with spark plugs. IIRC it's rated 31 city, 42 hwy. If it's over 50 degrees out, gets about 50mpg

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Lol, well a 642 will be anything but easy to diagnose. A very complicated engine. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 10, 2017, at 5:27 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes > wrote: > > Thanks for the advice, Dan, > > I understand. Also you read my health situation correctly.

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How long have these folks been running it on regular? Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 10, 2017, at 4:29 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > Youngest son has decided, with my blessing, to run regular unleaded in his > W210. He’s on a pretty tight budget so it makes a

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Yep,  still have the 911.  Unfortunately, I haven't driven it since Nov. 2016 and I sorely miss it.  My wife feels like I won't come back if I drive it.  I have fallen asleep at the wheel once when she was a passenger and awakened me before we hit anything. I am sentimentally attached to it,

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The w210 is the last of the idea that parts should be sourced locally and were built by the same folks that put the w124 and w140 together. By the time the w220 rolled around, the bean counters had decided to go lowest cost. Cutting corners resulted in crap cars. W220 uses chinese parts, not

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Thanks for the advice, Dan,     I understand.  Also you read my health situation correctly. No DIY for me if I can help it.  I did enjoy doing a couple of minor things with my wife helping me.  But it will be better if our next vehicle doesn't need any work.     I think my wife would

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It does require premium. You can get by with regular every now and then but if you run it on regular all the time it will start running like crap after a while. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 10, 2017, at 3:50 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes > wrote: > > Dan sez: > >>

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Youngest son has decided, with my blessing, to run regular unleaded in his W210. He’s on a pretty tight budget so it makes a difference for him. While it’s strictly anecdotal, a number of W210 owners whose opinions I trust say they’ve been running regular unleaded without issue and with

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HA! I understand that too well. I kept fooling with 240Ds long after I should have moved on... -Curt On Sunday, December 10, 2017, 5:07:52 PM EST, OK Don wrote: Now, now - we're talking buying old used Mercedes here - rational decision making is not necessarily a

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Larry, do you still own/drive a 911? I understand the lower miles - we are both retired - the 2013 F150 has 8000 miles, and the year old Subaru has 3500 miles now! Ok course, what would be highway miles are put on the Cessna instead:-) On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes <

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Now, now - we're talking buying old used Mercedes here - rational decision making is not necessarily a part of the process. A Diesel can be a purely "I love the technology of compression ignition" - not "I want great fuel economy and long engine life". If he want's a Diesel car, he should get one.

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Dan sez: >averages around 22 mpg on regular >unleaded It doesn't require premium...?  I'm suddenly becoming more interested in owning one... Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change

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The W220 is a lot more electronic, I think. It’s clearly not designed or engineered as well as the W210, in my opinion, nor is it as DIY friendly as the W210. Again, these are only my opinions based on a fairly small sample. I personally don’t care for the W220 body style, either. The W220

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Given your love for the 210, and having owned a 220, since they are basically the same vintage what is your thought on why the 210 is good and the 220 is a turd? Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 10, 2017, at 2:46 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > Larry, > > I

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We probably don't need two diesels, Angie's commute is only 10 miles one way, her car is definitely under-utilized but it was a good deal... -Curt On Sunday, December 10, 2017, 3:26:02 PM EST, Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote: Thanks Curt, Good point.  Now

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Larry, I struggled with similar decision recently when I wanted to simplify my car situation. When I crunched the numbers trying to stick with a diesel, even a W210 or later, didn’t work out financially - that is, it wasn’t any cheaper, and given the miles per year I expect to drive, there

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Thanks Curt, Good point.  Now that we are both "retired" the miles driven have fallen significantly.   And like you said, distances are much shorter Larry On 12/10/2017 2:14 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Larry for the amount you drive a gasser probably makes more sense than a

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Thanks Russ!  Every bit of info help.. Larry On 12/10/2017 2:57 PM, Russ Williams via Mercedes wrote: Yep that's where it's located. I can't remember how long my buddy, the MB tech, told me it takes him to do the job. BUT i know it's not a 30 min. job. When I took my '08 for the initial

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Thanks!  ;-) Really appreciate that info... Larry On 12/10/2017 1:58 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: There is no reason to be scared of a 642. The oil cooler leak is not a risk of fire. It can be lived with if it does it. You would just have to add oil to the car about once a

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Yep that's where it's located. I can't remember how long my buddy, the MB tech, told me it takes him to do the job. BUT i know it's not a 30 min. job. When I took my '08 for the initial service that was one of the things he checked. I don't know if the PO had it done. Russ On Sun,12/10/17

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Larry for the amount you drive a gasser probably makes more sense than a diesel, it's hard on a diesel not being driven hard regularly. Don't be afraid of a gasser, Dwight has one and likes it. Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 1:49 PM, Larry Turner via

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Larry for the amount you drive a gasser probably makes more sense than a diesel, it's hard on a diesel not being driven hard regularly. Don't be afraid of a gasser, Dwight has one and likes it. Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 1:49 PM, Larry Turner via

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also the gasser cars did not have the oil cooler problem. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 10, 2017, at 12:48 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes > wrote: > > Thanks! > > Since it caused a Fire Risk wouldn't it be eligible for a Federal > Recall? Isn't that what recalls

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There is no reason to be scared of a 642. The oil cooler leak is not a risk of fire. It can be lived with if it does it. You would just have to add oil to the car about once a month and it will leave oil stains on the driveway. Ours leaks and I have not fixed it yet. I will probably do it in

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Thanks!     Since it caused a Fire Risk wouldn't it be eligible  for a Federal Recall? Isn't that what recalls are for?  (BTW, I'm not giving you a hard time, just trying to understand.)     Hmm - with this added (and much appreciated) information we may have to consider another car.  I

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> On December 10, 2017 at 11:42 AM Larry Turner via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Thanks Gang, > > A couple more questions please, Is it a problem that affects all > 3.0L V6 Turbo's of that vintage? If so I would hope it would create a > Recall (he said hopefully)

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The oil cooler thing seems to happen at around 175-200@k. A 99 would be a w210 car with the 606 in it. Much easier to work on. You could look for a 05-06 with the older straight 6. It would not have the oil cooler problem and is much easier to work on. The 642 v6 is a fine motor aside from the

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Thanks Gang,     A couple more questions please, Is it a problem that affects all 3.0L V6 Turbo's of that vintage?  If so I would hope it would create a Recall (he said hopefully) ;-)     Also - we looked at a 99 300D TD which also has a 3.0L V6 Turbo although the 99 was a lot quicker.  The

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PS it’s about a $2-2.5k job to have it done at a shop. It’s probably a 17 hour job Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 9, 2017, at 9:13 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes > wrote: > > When are they supposed to be done? I looked at the engine but it's > covered with plastic

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No it’s down under the intake in the vee. Everything on top of the motor has to come off including the turbo. It’s a huge huge huge swine of a job from what I hear. One I need to do on the wife’s R320. It’s leaking oil pretty bad. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 9, 2017, at 9:13 PM, Larry Turner

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I think it's much worse. I believe the oil cooler is buried in the engine block Vee, so there's a lot of stuff in top that needs to be removed. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On December 9, 2017 10:13:15 PM EST, Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote: >    When

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    When are they supposed to be done?  I looked at the engine but it's covered with plastic shielding and I couldn't see anything much less an oil leak. ;-) Is it mileage sensitive or something that fails?   This 320 has 101,xxx miles.  Low for its age but I trust your suggestion about the

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If the oil cooler seals have not been done yet. They will need to me. It’s a massive job. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 9, 2017, at 7:57 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes > wrote: > > We are considering the above and i am hoping to find some WSM/s - Any > suggestions?

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Too new,for me to comment. Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Dec 9, 2017 8:58 PM, "Larry Turner via Mercedes" wrote: > We are considering the above and i am hoping to find some WSM/s - Any > suggestions? > > Thx, > > Larry > > > ___

[MBZ] 2009 MB E320 Blue TEC

    We are considering the above and i am hoping to find some WSM/s - Any suggestions? Thx, Larry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: