Re: [MBZ] Bosch K-Jetronic – Part 1, The Basics

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

That explains that dark magic well.

AZBob

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> On Mar 4, 2022, at 8:03 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> https://tasteslikepetrol.net/2020/02/bosch-k-jetronic-basics/
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[MBZ] Bosch K-Jetronic – Part 1, The Basics

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://tasteslikepetrol.net/2020/02/bosch-k-jetronic-basics/

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Re: [MBZ] Bosch Wiper Blade Refills?

[Clay via Mercedes]

I had a devil of a time sourcing refills for the R107.  Ended up yanking the 
rubber blade out of complete sets.  For the W126, the FLAPS around me did not 
carry refills that fit.  Neither did  they have most rear wiper sizes for 
anything.  I was happy enough just grabbing the normal wiper armature and 
struggling to make them fit.  I forget which brand had the ones that actually 
fit and locked to the arms securely.  W140 required purchase from dealer for 
wipers at highway robbery prices.

---
clay

I turned my computer upside down and shook it, but the bookmark for what I'm 
looking for didn't fall out.




> On Jun 15, 2021, at 4:47 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Are the rubber wiper blade inserts still available for Bosch blades?  I
> usually kept spares on hand but I only found 20 inch refills (probably left
> over from 123 TD) and the 126 SD requires 22 inch refills.  I did a lot of
> online shopping last night and could only find the complete blades (from
> FCP) but no 22 inch refills.  Any clues?

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[MBZ] Bosch Wiper Blade Refills?

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Are the rubber wiper blade inserts still available for Bosch blades?  I
usually kept spares on hand but I only found 20 inch refills (probably left
over from 123 TD) and the 126 SD requires 22 inch refills.  I did a lot of
online shopping last night and could only find the complete blades (from
FCP) but no 22 inch refills.  Any clues?

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Re: [MBZ] Bosch Dishwasher

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> Yeah, replacing the electronic control module will probably do the trick,
> at a cost of at least $300.  We had this problem with our old LG.

Makes you wonder if component-level repair is possible.
Is there a common failure mode for this kind of thing?

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Bosch Dishwasher

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Yeah, replacing the electronic control module will probably do the trick,
at a cost of at least $300.  We had this problem with our old LG.

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 6:49 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On Thu, July 23, 2020 9:40 pm, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> > Good point. I'm not really sure how it knows if the drain is blocked
> > unless it has some sort of level sensor,  but not sure why the pump only
> > does 3 short pulses then stops. I will mess with it some more tomorrow.
>
> It sounds like the controller thinks the pump is jammed, so it won't run
> the pump.
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch Dishwasher

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On Thu, July 23, 2020 9:40 pm, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> Good point. I'm not really sure how it knows if the drain is blocked
> unless it has some sort of level sensor,  but not sure why the pump only
> does 3 short pulses then stops. I will mess with it some more tomorrow.

It sounds like the controller thinks the pump is jammed, so it won't run
the pump.

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Re: [MBZ] Bosch Dishwasher

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> Good point. I’m not really sure how it knows if the drain is blocked unless 
> it has some sort of level sensor,  but not sure why the pump only does 3 
> short pulses then stops.

It's monitoring drive current.  A blocked drain will cause the motor to work 
harder.
Of course, if the current sensor is faulty...

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Bosch Dishwasher

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:

> Wonder if I should go with Bosch the next time or not.

I know some people like them but they are not among the top rated.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Bosch Dishwasher

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

You need to put a scanner on it and clear the codes you’ll be good 

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> On Jul 23, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I wondered if it might be a control board. Need to check prices on that. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 23, 2020, at 8:17 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I have a Whirlpool cheapo that had a similar issue, the drain pump would
>> not drain.  I replaced the drain pump, still no drain action.  Only other
>> parts left were the wiring and the control board.  I tested the wires, they
>> seemed to be fine, so I replaced the control board and the problem was
>> fixed.
>> 
>> How much is a new control board?
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 8:16 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So as you may recall the home service contract company sent sears over
>>> and the guy says the pump is bad and not avaialble so the dishwasher
>>> would have to be replaced.  The error code E25 (Might have been E24)
>>> indicated bad drain pump or blocked drain. I checked the line and it did
>>> not appear to be kinked and I do not see any blocked lines.  I ordered
>>> the drain pump for $30 and installed it today.  Took about 5-10 minutes,
>>> no big deal.  After powering it back on, it still does the same thing so
>>> I pulled the drain hose off the pump output, it is clear there.  I even
>>> blew into it and there is no blockage.  I pulled the pump again and
>>> checked to make sure the output housing where the pump goes then plugs
>>> into the hose was clear, it was.  When you power it on, pump runs in 3
>>> short intervals then stops.  I can see in the clear drain line it is
>>> pushing water, a small amount of water but if the pump ran continually I
>>> am sure it would drain.  It now pops up with error E25 and in red says
>>> Watertap.  I assumed this means something about the water supply.
>>> Checked to make sure water was on and it is.  Tomorrow I think I will
>>> pull the supply line to check to see if maybe there is a filter that is
>>> blocked.  Not sure what that would have to do with draining though.
>>> 
>>> In the mean time the status of the service request is washer may be
>>> eligible for replacement. I called them the other day but could not
>>> understand them.  Sounded like they were going to fix washer but waiting
>>> on parts, no estimated time of arrival.  Wife called today and the
>>> "appliance dept" is supposed to call us by the 28th.  Still not sure if
>>> they are replacing it or what.  Not sure if that means they are going to
>>> buy some cheap machine or send check for whatever they cover on it and
>>> we can go get one on our own.
>>> 
>>> I really hate to give up on it.  All the searching I see on this error
>>> say it is simple deal with making sure the impellers are clear (they
>>> are, pump is new), check for blockage (I have).  It seems like 4 years
>>> is a short time for a premium product.  Wonder if I should go with Bosch
>>> the next time or not.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch Dishwasher

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I wondered if it might be a control board. Need to check prices on that. 

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> On Jul 23, 2020, at 8:17 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have a Whirlpool cheapo that had a similar issue, the drain pump would
> not drain.  I replaced the drain pump, still no drain action.  Only other
> parts left were the wiring and the control board.  I tested the wires, they
> seemed to be fine, so I replaced the control board and the problem was
> fixed.
> 
> How much is a new control board?
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 8:16 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> So as you may recall the home service contract company sent sears over
>> and the guy says the pump is bad and not avaialble so the dishwasher
>> would have to be replaced.  The error code E25 (Might have been E24)
>> indicated bad drain pump or blocked drain. I checked the line and it did
>> not appear to be kinked and I do not see any blocked lines.  I ordered
>> the drain pump for $30 and installed it today.  Took about 5-10 minutes,
>> no big deal.  After powering it back on, it still does the same thing so
>> I pulled the drain hose off the pump output, it is clear there.  I even
>> blew into it and there is no blockage.  I pulled the pump again and
>> checked to make sure the output housing where the pump goes then plugs
>> into the hose was clear, it was.  When you power it on, pump runs in 3
>> short intervals then stops.  I can see in the clear drain line it is
>> pushing water, a small amount of water but if the pump ran continually I
>> am sure it would drain.  It now pops up with error E25 and in red says
>> Watertap.  I assumed this means something about the water supply.
>> Checked to make sure water was on and it is.  Tomorrow I think I will
>> pull the supply line to check to see if maybe there is a filter that is
>> blocked.  Not sure what that would have to do with draining though.
>> 
>> In the mean time the status of the service request is washer may be
>> eligible for replacement. I called them the other day but could not
>> understand them.  Sounded like they were going to fix washer but waiting
>> on parts, no estimated time of arrival.  Wife called today and the
>> "appliance dept" is supposed to call us by the 28th.  Still not sure if
>> they are replacing it or what.  Not sure if that means they are going to
>> buy some cheap machine or send check for whatever they cover on it and
>> we can go get one on our own.
>> 
>> I really hate to give up on it.  All the searching I see on this error
>> say it is simple deal with making sure the impellers are clear (they
>> are, pump is new), check for blockage (I have).  It seems like 4 years
>> is a short time for a premium product.  Wonder if I should go with Bosch
>> the next time or not.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch Dishwasher

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Good point. I’m not really sure how it knows if the drain is blocked unless it 
has some sort of level sensor,  but not sure why the pump only does 3 short 
pulses then stops. I will mess with it some more tomorrow. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2020, at 7:36 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
> 
> If, for example, the power supply for the pump was faulty, how would
> the system know the difference between P/S and pump issues?  There's
> a limit to how much self-diagnosis is possible, especially if they're trying
> to minimize the cost of the unit.
> 
> I treat fault reports as "look here first", not "replace this now."
> 
> -- Jim
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Bosch Dishwasher

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I have a Whirlpool cheapo that had a similar issue, the drain pump would
not drain.  I replaced the drain pump, still no drain action.  Only other
parts left were the wiring and the control board.  I tested the wires, they
seemed to be fine, so I replaced the control board and the problem was
fixed.

How much is a new control board?
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 8:16 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> So as you may recall the home service contract company sent sears over
> and the guy says the pump is bad and not avaialble so the dishwasher
> would have to be replaced.  The error code E25 (Might have been E24)
> indicated bad drain pump or blocked drain. I checked the line and it did
> not appear to be kinked and I do not see any blocked lines.  I ordered
> the drain pump for $30 and installed it today.  Took about 5-10 minutes,
> no big deal.  After powering it back on, it still does the same thing so
> I pulled the drain hose off the pump output, it is clear there.  I even
> blew into it and there is no blockage.  I pulled the pump again and
> checked to make sure the output housing where the pump goes then plugs
> into the hose was clear, it was.  When you power it on, pump runs in 3
> short intervals then stops.  I can see in the clear drain line it is
> pushing water, a small amount of water but if the pump ran continually I
> am sure it would drain.  It now pops up with error E25 and in red says
> Watertap.  I assumed this means something about the water supply.
> Checked to make sure water was on and it is.  Tomorrow I think I will
> pull the supply line to check to see if maybe there is a filter that is
> blocked.  Not sure what that would have to do with draining though.
>
> In the mean time the status of the service request is washer may be
> eligible for replacement. I called them the other day but could not
> understand them.  Sounded like they were going to fix washer but waiting
> on parts, no estimated time of arrival.  Wife called today and the
> "appliance dept" is supposed to call us by the 28th.  Still not sure if
> they are replacing it or what.  Not sure if that means they are going to
> buy some cheap machine or send check for whatever they cover on it and
> we can go get one on our own.
>
> I really hate to give up on it.  All the searching I see on this error
> say it is simple deal with making sure the impellers are clear (they
> are, pump is new), check for blockage (I have).  It seems like 4 years
> is a short time for a premium product.  Wonder if I should go with Bosch
> the next time or not.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch Dishwasher

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

If, for example, the power supply for the pump was faulty, how would
the system know the difference between P/S and pump issues?  There's
a limit to how much self-diagnosis is possible, especially if they're trying
to minimize the cost of the unit.

I treat fault reports as "look here first", not "replace this now."

-- Jim


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[MBZ] Bosch Dishwasher

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

So as you may recall the home service contract company sent sears over 
and the guy says the pump is bad and not avaialble so the dishwasher 
would have to be replaced.  The error code E25 (Might have been E24) 
indicated bad drain pump or blocked drain. I checked the line and it did 
not appear to be kinked and I do not see any blocked lines.  I ordered 
the drain pump for $30 and installed it today.  Took about 5-10 minutes, 
no big deal.  After powering it back on, it still does the same thing so 
I pulled the drain hose off the pump output, it is clear there.  I even 
blew into it and there is no blockage.  I pulled the pump again and 
checked to make sure the output housing where the pump goes then plugs 
into the hose was clear, it was.  When you power it on, pump runs in 3 
short intervals then stops.  I can see in the clear drain line it is 
pushing water, a small amount of water but if the pump ran continually I 
am sure it would drain.  It now pops up with error E25 and in red says 
Watertap.  I assumed this means something about the water supply.  
Checked to make sure water was on and it is.  Tomorrow I think I will 
pull the supply line to check to see if maybe there is a filter that is 
blocked.  Not sure what that would have to do with draining though.


In the mean time the status of the service request is washer may be 
eligible for replacement. I called them the other day but could not 
understand them.  Sounded like they were going to fix washer but waiting 
on parts, no estimated time of arrival.  Wife called today and the 
"appliance dept" is supposed to call us by the 28th.  Still not sure if 
they are replacing it or what.  Not sure if that means they are going to 
buy some cheap machine or send check for whatever they cover on it and 
we can go get one on our own.


I really hate to give up on it.  All the searching I see on this error 
say it is simple deal with making sure the impellers are clear (they 
are, pump is new), check for blockage (I have).  It seems like 4 years 
is a short time for a premium product.  Wonder if I should go with Bosch 
the next time or not.



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Re: [MBZ] Bosch

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Beware of counterfeit / commie inferior parts on Amazon.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jul 14, 2020 10:42:00 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes :

> Checked, it’s $58. Searched on amazon for the part number, there are tons of 
> listings. Ordered one for $34. Repair videos look like it takes about 5 
> minutes to replace.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 14, 2020, at 8:27 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Unlikely.
>> 
>> Check repairclinic.com see if they stock the part.
>> 
>> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
>> 
>>> So the sears repair people came out today to work on the dishwasher that 
>>> won’t come on with the drain error code. Home warranty people sent them. 
>>> Guy says pump is out and they don’t make them anymore so it can’t be 
>>> repaired. Guess 4 years is as long as Bosch will last? Now have to wait on 
>>> them to pay to replace it I guess.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Yep

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> On Jul 14, 2020, at 10:09 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> And you're now happily awaiting the settlement check from the warranty
> provider that provided you with a mechanic who couldn't fix it?
> 
> Mitch.
> 
>> On Tue, July 14, 2020 10:41 pm, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> Ordered one for $34. Repair videos look like it takes
>> about 5 minutes to replace.
>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

And you're now happily awaiting the settlement check from the warranty
provider that provided you with a mechanic who couldn't fix it?

Mitch.

On Tue, July 14, 2020 10:41 pm, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> Ordered one for $34. Repair videos look like it takes
> about 5 minutes to replace.
>


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Re: [MBZ] Bosch

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Checked, it’s $58. Searched on amazon for the part number, there are tons of 
listings. Ordered one for $34. Repair videos look like it takes about 5 minutes 
to replace. 

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> On Jul 14, 2020, at 8:27 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Unlikely.
> 
> Check repairclinic.com see if they stock the part.
> 
> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> So the sears repair people came out today to work on the dishwasher that 
>> won’t come on with the drain error code. Home warranty people sent them. Guy 
>> says pump is out and they don’t make them anymore so it can’t be repaired. 
>> Guess 4 years is as long as Bosch will last? Now have to wait on them to pay 
>> to replace it I guess.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Unlikely.

Check repairclinic.com see if they stock the part.

Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:

> So the sears repair people came out today to work on the dishwasher that 
> won’t come on with the drain error code. Home warranty people sent them. Guy 
> says pump is out and they don’t make them anymore so it can’t be repaired. 
> Guess 4 years is as long as Bosch will last? Now have to wait on them to pay 
> to replace it I guess. 
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I actually find it hard to believe parts are not available. I searched and find 
plenty of drain pumps for these so need to get the model number. I will just 
replace the pump myself and they can send me a check for the new one. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 14, 2020, at 6:26 PM, Kaleb Striplin  wrote:
> 
> That’s what I thought. Seems hard to believe they would not have parts for 
> it after only 4 years. I guess if they warranty wants to pay for a new one 
> they great. What do you bet they will want to pay for a cheap replacement. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 14, 2020, at 6:09 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> They make them in a factory in North Carolina if i recall, check it out and 
>> ring them up and ask if they have one.  Only 4 years for a premium product 
>> is bullsh*t
>> 
>> -_FT
>> 
 On 7/14/20 7:02 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> So the sears repair people came out today to work on the dishwasher that 
>>> won’t come on with the drain error code. Home warranty people sent them. 
>>> Guy says pump is out and they don’t make them anymore so it can’t be 
>>> repaired. Guess 4 years is as long as Bosch will last? Now have to wait on 
>>> them to pay to replace it I guess.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

That’s what I thought. Seems hard to believe they would not have parts for it 
after only 4 years. I guess if they warranty wants to pay for a new one they 
great. What do you bet they will want to pay for a cheap replacement. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 14, 2020, at 6:09 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> They make them in a factory in North Carolina if i recall, check it out and 
> ring them up and ask if they have one.  Only 4 years for a premium product is 
> bullsh*t
> 
> -_FT
> 
>> On 7/14/20 7:02 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> So the sears repair people came out today to work on the dishwasher that 
>> won’t come on with the drain error code. Home warranty people sent them. Guy 
>> says pump is out and they don’t make them anymore so it can’t be repaired. 
>> Guess 4 years is as long as Bosch will last? Now have to wait on them to pay 
>> to replace it I guess.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

They make them in a factory in North Carolina if i recall, check it out 
and ring them up and ask if they have one.  Only 4 years for a premium 
product is bullsh*t


-_FT

On 7/14/20 7:02 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

So the sears repair people came out today to work on the dishwasher that won’t 
come on with the drain error code. Home warranty people sent them. Guy says 
pump is out and they don’t make them anymore so it can’t be repaired. Guess 4 
years is as long as Bosch will last? Now have to wait on them to pay to replace 
it I guess.

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[MBZ] Bosch

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

So the sears repair people came out today to work on the dishwasher that won’t 
come on with the drain error code. Home warranty people sent them. Guy says 
pump is out and they don’t make them anymore so it can’t be repaired. Guess 4 
years is as long as Bosch will last? Now have to wait on them to pay to replace 
it I guess. 

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Re: [MBZ] Bosch Dishwasher

[Frederick Moir via Mercedes]

Craig, et all o' ya.
Yes you can get a Moir model dishwasher as we have one unmarried daughter.
(Running for cover!).
Fred

On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 11:49 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
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> I just ordered a Snow Joe power washer model 4500.  Anybody own one of
> these?
>
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 9:11 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, June 18, 2020 9:46 pm, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote:
> > > Excellent Fred. Are these on the Market?
> > > We have,Fisher-Paykel dishwashers.
> >
> > A double dish drawer?
> > Those can be problematic, especially when some fool puts stuff in them
> > that's too tall and prevents the internal lid from sealing.
> > I bought one with an error code for a leak, the other drawer was supposed
> > to work fine.
> >
> > Then I bought a parts washer that was missing the front sheet metal.
> > I later learned the one that was 'missing parts' was really a model that
> > was made for custom install, your cabinetmaker is supposed to build a
> > front for it to match your cabinets. So the whole dishwasher project is
> on
> > hold until I get around to redoing the base cabinets, until then I've got
> > the Mitch washer. It's not that big of a deal now that there's just one
> of
> > me.
> > I do a sinkful of dishes every night, put them in a drainer, and they're
> > dry by breakfast.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch dishwasher

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Max, if there's a moral to that story please share it.

On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 9:42 AM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
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> About ten years ago I bought the cheapest dishwasher they had at lowers.
> About $200?  KitchenAid, all plastic.  Dirt simple.  Works great as long as
> you don't over load it.  No issues once I worked through a bad pump and a
> dead control board.  It was a factory repaired model that I bought for $100
> with no warranty, after buying the parts to fix it I was back at the
> original cost, should have just bought the new one.
>
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
>
> Jun 18, 2020 2:19:30 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes :
>
> > My KitchenAid has been flawless for close to 10 years. Knock on wood.
> >
> > I do have to clean out the drain screen/pump inlet periodically.
> >
> > Maybe that's the problem with Kaleb's Bosch? Food debris or maybe
> > somethig like a bit of plastic wrap clogging the pump inlet. On my
> > KitchenAid the symptom is that the top rack dishes don't get clean.
> >
> > Allan
> >
> > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:
> >
> >> How old is yours?  We were thinking of getting a Bosch replacement to
> >> our KitchenAid.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 12:00 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Apparently we have an e23 coming up on the Bosch. Quick search is
> >>> something with the pump. Every run into this Poos?
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch Dishwasher

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I just ordered a Snow Joe power washer model 4500.  Anybody own one of
these?

On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 9:11 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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> On Thu, June 18, 2020 9:46 pm, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote:
> > Excellent Fred. Are these on the Market?
> > We have,Fisher-Paykel dishwashers.
>
> A double dish drawer?
> Those can be problematic, especially when some fool puts stuff in them
> that's too tall and prevents the internal lid from sealing.
> I bought one with an error code for a leak, the other drawer was supposed
> to work fine.
>
> Then I bought a parts washer that was missing the front sheet metal.
> I later learned the one that was 'missing parts' was really a model that
> was made for custom install, your cabinetmaker is supposed to build a
> front for it to match your cabinets. So the whole dishwasher project is on
> hold until I get around to redoing the base cabinets, until then I've got
> the Mitch washer. It's not that big of a deal now that there's just one of
> me.
> I do a sinkful of dishes every night, put them in a drainer, and they're
> dry by breakfast.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch dishwasher

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

About ten years ago I bought the cheapest dishwasher they had at lowers.  About 
$200?  KitchenAid, all plastic.  Dirt simple.  Works great as long as you don't 
over load it.  No issues once I worked through a bad pump and a dead control 
board.  It was a factory repaired model that I bought for $100 with no 
warranty, after buying the parts to fix it I was back at the original cost, 
should have just bought the new one.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jun 18, 2020 2:19:30 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes :

> My KitchenAid has been flawless for close to 10 years. Knock on wood.
> 
> I do have to clean out the drain screen/pump inlet periodically.
> 
> Maybe that's the problem with Kaleb's Bosch? Food debris or maybe
> somethig like a bit of plastic wrap clogging the pump inlet. On my
> KitchenAid the symptom is that the top rack dishes don't get clean.
> 
> Allan
> 
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> How old is yours?  We were thinking of getting a Bosch replacement to
>> our KitchenAid.
>> 
>> On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 12:00 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Apparently we have an e23 coming up on the Bosch. Quick search is
>>> something with the pump. Every run into this Poos?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch Dishwasher

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On Thu, June 18, 2020 9:46 pm, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote:
> Excellent Fred. Are these on the Market?
> We have,Fisher-Paykel dishwashers.

A double dish drawer?
Those can be problematic, especially when some fool puts stuff in them
that's too tall and prevents the internal lid from sealing.
I bought one with an error code for a leak, the other drawer was supposed
to work fine.

Then I bought a parts washer that was missing the front sheet metal.
I later learned the one that was 'missing parts' was really a model that
was made for custom install, your cabinetmaker is supposed to build a
front for it to match your cabinets. So the whole dishwasher project is on
hold until I get around to redoing the base cabinets, until then I've got
the Mitch washer. It's not that big of a deal now that there's just one of
me.
I do a sinkful of dishes every night, put them in a drainer, and they're
dry by breakfast.

Mitch

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Re: [MBZ] Bosch Dishwasher

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 21:43:27 -0400 Frederick Moir via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Alles.
> Until a few years ago we had an Aspin dishwasher, then he grew old and
> died. Since then we have had a Moir dishwasher. Highly reliable, it
> starts at 4pm washes perfectly and puts away the dishes and glasses and
> even the pots and pans.
> With a little Bach or Vivaldi to enhance the experience.
> I can highly recommend this device!
> Fred.

Can I get one of those Moir dishwashers to do our dishes, too?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Bosch Dishwasher

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Sounds similar to the Raymond & Raymond system we have. I'd say our units are 
half reliable but since there are two it works out.
-Curt

On Thursday, June 18, 2020, 9:44:24 PM EDT, Frederick Moir via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Alles.
Until a few years ago we had an Aspin dishwasher, then he grew old and died.
Since then we have had a Moir dishwasher. Highly reliable, it starts at 4pm
washes perfectly and puts away the dishes and glasses and even the pots and
pans.
With a little Bach or Vivaldi to enhance the experience.
I can highly recommend this device!
Fred.
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch Dishwasher

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Excellent Fred. Are these on the Market?
We have,Fisher-Paykell dishwashers.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

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> Alles.
> Until a few years ago we had an Aspin dishwasher, then he grew old and
> died.
> Since then we have had a Moir dishwasher. Highly reliable, it starts at 4pm
> washes perfectly and puts away the dishes and glasses and even the pots and
> pans.
> With a little Bach or Vivaldi to enhance the experience.
> I can highly recommend this device!
> Fred.
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[MBZ] Bosch Dishwasher

[Frederick Moir via Mercedes]

Alles.
Until a few years ago we had an Aspin dishwasher, then he grew old and died.
Since then we have had a Moir dishwasher. Highly reliable, it starts at 4pm
washes perfectly and puts away the dishes and glasses and even the pots and
pans.
With a little Bach or Vivaldi to enhance the experience.
I can highly recommend this device!
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch dishwasher

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Understood.

-D

> On Jun 18, 2020, at 7:17 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> When I hit start I can hear what sounds like the pump trying to kick on. If 
> I’m paying for this home warranty I might as well wait and take advantage of 
> it. I sure wish the hot water heater on the other house could have waited. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2020, at 6:13 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I believe there’s a separate pump that clears out the pan/tray when it’s 
>> done. That’s probably the issue.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2020, at 7:00 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just watched a few videos and pulled the screen out and the cover for the 
>>> pump inlet. There was nothing blocking it and the impeller turned free. 
>>> Pulled hose off the disposal and it was clear. Examined the hose down to 
>>> the back and bottom of the washer and it was clear. Maybe there is 
>>> something jammed up in the motor behind the impellers but they turn free. 
>>> I’m not going to take it apart any further and will just wait a couple of 
>>> weeks until the home warranty kicks in and let them fix it. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Jun 18, 2020, at 1:40 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 I just glanced at the code and it’s from the drain pump.
 
 You need to be looking at the drain line to make sure it’s not crimped or 
 blocked.
 
 -D
 
> On Jun 18, 2020, at 2:27 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> His dishwasher is throwing a code. He needs to dig deeper to figure out 
> what it means.
> 
> The Bosch machines, at least the ones I’ve had, all have a removable 
> screen in the base that bits of food and other detritus land in. These 
> need to be cleaned out every few weeks. I can’t imagine the pump problem 
> being related to a clogged screen, as it’s only a portion of the inlet to 
> the pump and even if clogged wouldn’t totally restrict it.
> 
> -D
> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2020, at 2:18 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>> 
>> My KitchenAid has been flawless for close to 10 years. Knock on wood.
>> 
>> I do have to clean out the drain screen/pump inlet periodically.
>> 
>> Maybe that's the problem with Kaleb's Bosch? Food debris or maybe
>> somethig like a bit of plastic wrap clogging the pump inlet. On my
>> KitchenAid the symptom is that the top rack dishes don't get clean.
>> 
>> Allan
>> 
>> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:
>> 
>>> How old is yours?  We were thinking of getting a Bosch replacement to
>>> our KitchenAid.
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 12:00 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Apparently we have an e23 coming up on the Bosch. Quick search is
 something with the pump. Every run into this Poos?
 
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch dishwasher

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

When I hit start I can hear what sounds like the pump trying to kick on. If I’m 
paying for this home warranty I might as well wait and take advantage of it. I 
sure wish the hot water heater on the other house could have waited. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 18, 2020, at 6:13 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I believe there’s a separate pump that clears out the pan/tray when it’s 
> done. That’s probably the issue.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2020, at 7:00 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I just watched a few videos and pulled the screen out and the cover for the 
>> pump inlet. There was nothing blocking it and the impeller turned free. 
>> Pulled hose off the disposal and it was clear. Examined the hose down to the 
>> back and bottom of the washer and it was clear. Maybe there is something 
>> jammed up in the motor behind the impellers but they turn free. I’m not 
>> going to take it apart any further and will just wait a couple of weeks 
>> until the home warranty kicks in and let them fix it. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jun 18, 2020, at 1:40 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just glanced at the code and it’s from the drain pump.
>>> 
>>> You need to be looking at the drain line to make sure it’s not crimped or 
>>> blocked.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Jun 18, 2020, at 2:27 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 His dishwasher is throwing a code. He needs to dig deeper to figure out 
 what it means.
 
 The Bosch machines, at least the ones I’ve had, all have a removable 
 screen in the base that bits of food and other detritus land in. These 
 need to be cleaned out every few weeks. I can’t imagine the pump problem 
 being related to a clogged screen, as it’s only a portion of the inlet to 
 the pump and even if clogged wouldn’t totally restrict it.
 
 -D
 
>> On Jun 18, 2020, at 2:18 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
> 
> My KitchenAid has been flawless for close to 10 years. Knock on wood.
> 
> I do have to clean out the drain screen/pump inlet periodically.
> 
> Maybe that's the problem with Kaleb's Bosch? Food debris or maybe
> somethig like a bit of plastic wrap clogging the pump inlet. On my
> KitchenAid the symptom is that the top rack dishes don't get clean.
> 
> Allan
> 
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> How old is yours?  We were thinking of getting a Bosch replacement to
>> our KitchenAid.
>> 
>> On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 12:00 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Apparently we have an e23 coming up on the Bosch. Quick search is
>>> something with the pump. Every run into this Poos?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch dishwasher

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I believe there’s a separate pump that clears out the pan/tray when it’s done. 
That’s probably the issue.

-D

> On Jun 18, 2020, at 7:00 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I just watched a few videos and pulled the screen out and the cover for the 
> pump inlet. There was nothing blocking it and the impeller turned free. 
> Pulled hose off the disposal and it was clear. Examined the hose down to the 
> back and bottom of the washer and it was clear. Maybe there is something 
> jammed up in the motor behind the impellers but they turn free. I’m not going 
> to take it apart any further and will just wait a couple of weeks until the 
> home warranty kicks in and let them fix it. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2020, at 1:40 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I just glanced at the code and it’s from the drain pump.
>> 
>> You need to be looking at the drain line to make sure it’s not crimped or 
>> blocked.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2020, at 2:27 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> His dishwasher is throwing a code. He needs to dig deeper to figure out 
>>> what it means.
>>> 
>>> The Bosch machines, at least the ones I’ve had, all have a removable screen 
>>> in the base that bits of food and other detritus land in. These need to be 
>>> cleaned out every few weeks. I can’t imagine the pump problem being related 
>>> to a clogged screen, as it’s only a portion of the inlet to the pump and 
>>> even if clogged wouldn’t totally restrict it.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
> On Jun 18, 2020, at 2:18 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 My KitchenAid has been flawless for close to 10 years. Knock on wood.
 
 I do have to clean out the drain screen/pump inlet periodically.
 
 Maybe that's the problem with Kaleb's Bosch? Food debris or maybe
 somethig like a bit of plastic wrap clogging the pump inlet. On my
 KitchenAid the symptom is that the top rack dishes don't get clean.
 
 Allan
 
 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:
 
> How old is yours?  We were thinking of getting a Bosch replacement to
> our KitchenAid.
> 
> On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 12:00 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Apparently we have an e23 coming up on the Bosch. Quick search is
>> something with the pump. Every run into this Poos?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch dishwasher

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I just watched a few videos and pulled the screen out and the cover for the 
pump inlet. There was nothing blocking it and the impeller turned free. Pulled 
hose off the disposal and it was clear. Examined the hose down to the back and 
bottom of the washer and it was clear. Maybe there is something jammed up in 
the motor behind the impellers but they turn free. I’m not going to take it 
apart any further and will just wait a couple of weeks until the home warranty 
kicks in and let them fix it. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 18, 2020, at 1:40 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I just glanced at the code and it’s from the drain pump.
> 
> You need to be looking at the drain line to make sure it’s not crimped or 
> blocked.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2020, at 2:27 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> His dishwasher is throwing a code. He needs to dig deeper to figure out what 
>> it means.
>> 
>> The Bosch machines, at least the ones I’ve had, all have a removable screen 
>> in the base that bits of food and other detritus land in. These need to be 
>> cleaned out every few weeks. I can’t imagine the pump problem being related 
>> to a clogged screen, as it’s only a portion of the inlet to the pump and 
>> even if clogged wouldn’t totally restrict it.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
 On Jun 18, 2020, at 2:18 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My KitchenAid has been flawless for close to 10 years. Knock on wood.
>>> 
>>> I do have to clean out the drain screen/pump inlet periodically.
>>> 
>>> Maybe that's the problem with Kaleb's Bosch? Food debris or maybe
>>> somethig like a bit of plastic wrap clogging the pump inlet. On my
>>> KitchenAid the symptom is that the top rack dishes don't get clean.
>>> 
>>> Allan
>>> 
>>> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:
>>> 
 How old is yours?  We were thinking of getting a Bosch replacement to
 our KitchenAid.
 
 On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 12:00 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> Apparently we have an e23 coming up on the Bosch. Quick search is
> something with the pump. Every run into this Poos?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch dishwasher

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I just glanced at the code and it’s from the drain pump.

You need to be looking at the drain line to make sure it’s not crimped or 
blocked.

-D

> On Jun 18, 2020, at 2:27 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> His dishwasher is throwing a code. He needs to dig deeper to figure out what 
> it means.
> 
> The Bosch machines, at least the ones I’ve had, all have a removable screen 
> in the base that bits of food and other detritus land in. These need to be 
> cleaned out every few weeks. I can’t imagine the pump problem being related 
> to a clogged screen, as it’s only a portion of the inlet to the pump and even 
> if clogged wouldn’t totally restrict it.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2020, at 2:18 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> My KitchenAid has been flawless for close to 10 years. Knock on wood.
>> 
>> I do have to clean out the drain screen/pump inlet periodically.
>> 
>> Maybe that's the problem with Kaleb's Bosch? Food debris or maybe
>> somethig like a bit of plastic wrap clogging the pump inlet. On my
>> KitchenAid the symptom is that the top rack dishes don't get clean.
>> 
>> Allan
>> 
>> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:
>> 
>>> How old is yours?  We were thinking of getting a Bosch replacement to
>>> our KitchenAid.
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 12:00 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Apparently we have an e23 coming up on the Bosch. Quick search is
 something with the pump. Every run into this Poos?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch dishwasher

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

His dishwasher is throwing a code. He needs to dig deeper to figure out what it 
means.

The Bosch machines, at least the ones I’ve had, all have a removable screen in 
the base that bits of food and other detritus land in. These need to be cleaned 
out every few weeks. I can’t imagine the pump problem being related to a 
clogged screen, as it’s only a portion of the inlet to the pump and even if 
clogged wouldn’t totally restrict it.

-D

> On Jun 18, 2020, at 2:18 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My KitchenAid has been flawless for close to 10 years. Knock on wood.
> 
> I do have to clean out the drain screen/pump inlet periodically.
> 
> Maybe that's the problem with Kaleb's Bosch? Food debris or maybe
> somethig like a bit of plastic wrap clogging the pump inlet. On my
> KitchenAid the symptom is that the top rack dishes don't get clean.
> 
> Allan
> 
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> How old is yours?  We were thinking of getting a Bosch replacement to
>> our KitchenAid.
>> 
>> On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 12:00 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Apparently we have an e23 coming up on the Bosch. Quick search is
>>> something with the pump. Every run into this Poos?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch dishwasher

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

My KitchenAid has been flawless for close to 10 years. Knock on wood.

I do have to clean out the drain screen/pump inlet periodically.

Maybe that's the problem with Kaleb's Bosch? Food debris or maybe
somethig like a bit of plastic wrap clogging the pump inlet. On my
KitchenAid the symptom is that the top rack dishes don't get clean.

Allan

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> How old is yours?  We were thinking of getting a Bosch replacement to
> our KitchenAid.
>
> On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 12:00 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Apparently we have an e23 coming up on the Bosch. Quick search is
>> something with the pump. Every run into this Poos?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] Bosch dishwasher

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I prefer the 2006 KitchenAid to the 2006 Bosch in our previous house b/c
there is no bottom filter to mess with.

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> Yes I do clean out the filter in the bottom but it’s been mainly her and
> the kid running it, so no telling what they put in there.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Jun 18, 2020, at 12:17 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > Ours is now 3 yrs old and still works great.
> >
> > Have you cleaned out the filtering screens in the bottom?
> > Does Regina drive it like she does your cars? :-)
> >
> >> On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 12:14 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Nope. My Bosch dishwashers have been relatively trouble free. First one
> we
> >> had developed some sort of problem with the heating element that was
> known
> >> and covered under warranty. Second one has been installed since December
> >> and hasn’t missed a beat. We loves our Bosch dishwasher!
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>> On Jun 18, 2020, at 12:00 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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> >>>
> >>> Apparently we have an e23 coming up on the Bosch. Quick search is
> >> something with the pump. Every run into this Poos?
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch dishwasher

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Yes I do clean out the filter in the bottom but it’s been mainly her and the 
kid running it, so no telling what they put in there. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 18, 2020, at 12:17 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Ours is now 3 yrs old and still works great.
> 
> Have you cleaned out the filtering screens in the bottom?
> Does Regina drive it like she does your cars? :-)
> 
>> On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 12:14 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Nope. My Bosch dishwashers have been relatively trouble free. First one we
>> had developed some sort of problem with the heating element that was known
>> and covered under warranty. Second one has been installed since December
>> and hasn’t missed a beat. We loves our Bosch dishwasher!
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2020, at 12:00 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Apparently we have an e23 coming up on the Bosch. Quick search is
>> something with the pump. Every run into this Poos?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch dishwasher

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I love it too. I am wondering if the discharge line got plugged up. If it’s not 
something simple then it will have to wait until the home warranty kicks in 
next month. 

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> On Jun 18, 2020, at 12:14 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Nope. My Bosch dishwashers have been relatively trouble free. First one we 
> had developed some sort of problem with the heating element that was known 
> and covered under warranty. Second one has been installed since December and 
> hasn’t missed a beat. We loves our Bosch dishwasher!
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2020, at 12:00 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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>> 
>> Apparently we have an e23 coming up on the Bosch. Quick search is something 
>> with the pump. Every run into this Poos?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch dishwasher

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Ours is now 3 yrs old and still works great.

Have you cleaned out the filtering screens in the bottom?
Does Regina drive it like she does your cars? :-)

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> Nope. My Bosch dishwashers have been relatively trouble free. First one we
> had developed some sort of problem with the heating element that was known
> and covered under warranty. Second one has been installed since December
> and hasn’t missed a beat. We loves our Bosch dishwasher!
>
> -D
>
> > On Jun 18, 2020, at 12:00 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Apparently we have an e23 coming up on the Bosch. Quick search is
> something with the pump. Every run into this Poos?
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch dishwasher

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Nope. My Bosch dishwashers have been relatively trouble free. First one we had 
developed some sort of problem with the heating element that was known and 
covered under warranty. Second one has been installed since December and hasn’t 
missed a beat. We loves our Bosch dishwasher!

-D

> On Jun 18, 2020, at 12:00 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> Apparently we have an e23 coming up on the Bosch. Quick search is something 
> with the pump. Every run into this Poos?
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch dishwasher

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Maybe 2-3 years old, can’t remember for sure. 

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> 
> How old is yours?  We were thinking of getting a Bosch replacement to our 
> KitchenAid.
> 
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>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch dishwasher

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

How old is yours?  We were thinking of getting a Bosch replacement to our
KitchenAid.

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> Apparently we have an e23 coming up on the Bosch. Quick search is
> something with the pump. Every run into this Poos?
>
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[MBZ] Bosch dishwasher

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Apparently we have an e23 coming up on the Bosch. Quick search is something 
with the pump. Every run into this Poos?

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] Bosch Catalog list

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I figgered you'd be all over those.   I think they are excellent 
reference resources.



Craig via Mercedes 
January 27, 2020 at 2:52 PM
On Sun, 26 Jan 2020 22:01:06 -0600 Curley McLain via Mercedes

Thank you, Curley, for the information you posted yesterday.

Being a research-oriented type (that is, after all, what a doctoral
degree is all about) who likes to keep information, I greatly appreciate
the listing from which you found the starter/alternator and injection
catalogs. That will keep me busy for a while ... :-)


Craig


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Re: [MBZ] Bosch Catalog list

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sun, 26 Jan 2020 22:01:06 -0600 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> This is the listing I found the catalogs from.
> 
> https://ua.bosch-automotive.com/en/repairs_and_services/catalogues/catalogs_1

Thank you, Curley, for the information you posted yesterday.

Being a research-oriented type (that is, after all, what a doctoral
degree is all about) who likes to keep information, I greatly appreciate
the listing from which you found the starter/alternator and injection
catalogs. That will keep me busy for a while ...:-)


Craig

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[MBZ] Bosch Catalog list

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

This is the listing I found the catalogs from.

https://ua.bosch-automotive.com/en/repairs_and_services/catalogues/catalogs_1

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[MBZ] Bosch Starter/alternator part numbers

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

FIle was too big.    Here's the URL
https://aa-boschap-ua.resource.bosch.com/media/__ua/parts/repairs_and_service_1/catalogs/rm_spares.pdf

Found this trying to find rotor/stator part numbers for BMW R75.   It 
should be useful.   It has supercede charts for 10 digit numbers, 
predecessor charts for 10 digit numbers, 10 digit to typ number, parts 
breakdown for starter 10 digit numbers, giving you the 10 digit part 
number for each part.   Same for alternators.


Also has similar info for regulators, brushes etc.

Unfortunately it does not seem to include the BMW parts as they are 
probably propriety application.  Anyone got a neighbor with a /6 parts 
motorcycle?


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[MBZ] Bosch Fuel Injection catalog

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

This catalog for Diesel fuel injection has part numbers for injectors, 
heat shields etc.   MB Cars are maybe 1/3 down.   Pisten Bully is in 
there somewhere, at least by engine typ.


I didn't look through it as well as I did the alternator catalog.

https://aa-boschap-ua.resource.bosch.com/media/__ua/parts/repairs_and_service_1/catalogs/48202_bx.pdf

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[MBZ] Bosch Starter/alternator part numbers

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Found this trying to find rotor/stator part numbers for BMW R75.   It 
should be useful.   It has supercede charts for 10 digit numbers, 
predecessor charts for 10 digit numbers, 10 digit to typ number, parts 
breakdown for starter 10 digit numbers, giving you the 10 digit part 
number for each part.   Same for alternators.


Also has similar info for regulators, brushes etc.

Unfortunately it does not seem to include the BMW parts as they are 
probably propriety application.  Anyone got a neighbor with a /6 parts 
motorcycle?


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Re: [MBZ] Bosch Group 49 Batteries

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

That's my recollection as well, inadequate worksmanship in wiring the stuff. 
And IIRC the victims' answer to that is "Tesla picked the installers".

Mitch.

> On November 6, 2019 at 3:43 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>  Actually Tesla has sold some panels that have caught fire. I'm 99% certain 
> thats an install issue,

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Re: [MBZ] Bosch Group 49 Batteries

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Actually Tesla has sold some panels that have caught fire. I'm 99% certain 
thats an install issue, there is no good reason for panels to catch fire.
The other possibility is that the panels have built-in inverters. Inverters 
occasionally catch fire, panels themselves never catch fire.
I don't remember when we installed our first panel, 2015? 2016? Something like 
that...
-Curt

On Wednesday, November 6, 2019, 3:32:46 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via 
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 You're thinking of Teslas.

I have solar roof panels that have performed flawlessly since July 2016 -
no fires or any other issues.

On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 3:21 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Well, you had best not go there anyway if they have solar panels on the
> roof. They tend to catch fire.
>
> Randy
>
> On 06/11/2019 2:15 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > Ditto, although I will praise them for their commitment to installing
> solar
> > energy panels on their  store roofs.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 7:48 AM ROGER HALE via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Sorry, for the confusion.  With age the little grey cells don't always
> >> fire correctly.  Pepboys includes free installation with free red/green
> >> corrosion preventives.  And sorry Kaleb, I haven't been to a WalMart
> since
> >> they started putting American workers out of work with Chinese goods.
> If
> >> you see me go in one, call the guys in the white coats as I've gone
> crazy.
> >> But to each his own.
> >> Best Wishes,
> >> Roger
> >> Roger Hale
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> >> Monroe, Ga.
> >> 770-267-0850
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch Group 49 Batteries

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You're thinking of Teslas.

I have solar roof panels that have performed flawlessly since July 2016 -
no fires or any other issues.

On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 3:21 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Well, you had best not go there anyway if they have solar panels on the
> roof. They tend to catch fire.
>
> Randy
>
> On 06/11/2019 2:15 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > Ditto, although I will praise them for their commitment to installing
> solar
> > energy panels on their  store roofs.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 7:48 AM ROGER HALE via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Sorry, for the confusion.  With age the little grey cells don't always
> >> fire correctly.  Pepboys includes free installation with free red/green
> >> corrosion preventives.  And sorry Kaleb, I haven't been to a WalMart
> since
> >> they started putting American workers out of work with Chinese goods.
> If
> >> you see me go in one, call the guys in the white coats as I've gone
> crazy.
> >> But to each his own.
> >> Best Wishes,
> >> Roger
> >> Roger Hale
> >> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> >> Monroe, Ga.
> >> 770-267-0850
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch Group 49 Batteries

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Well, you had best not go there anyway if they have solar panels on the 
roof. They tend to catch fire.


Randy

On 06/11/2019 2:15 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Ditto, although I will praise them for their commitment to installing solar
energy panels on their  store roofs.


On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 7:48 AM ROGER HALE via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Sorry, for the confusion.  With age the little grey cells don't always
fire correctly.  Pepboys includes free installation with free red/green
corrosion preventives.  And sorry Kaleb, I haven't been to a WalMart since
they started putting American workers out of work with Chinese goods.  If
you see me go in one, call the guys in the white coats as I've gone crazy.
But to each his own.
Best Wishes,
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch Group 49 Batteries

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Ditto, although I will praise them for their commitment to installing solar
energy panels on their  store roofs.


On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 7:48 AM ROGER HALE via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Sorry, for the confusion.  With age the little grey cells don't always
> fire correctly.  Pepboys includes free installation with free red/green
> corrosion preventives.  And sorry Kaleb, I haven't been to a WalMart since
> they started putting American workers out of work with Chinese goods.  If
> you see me go in one, call the guys in the white coats as I've gone crazy.
> But to each his own.
> Best Wishes,
> Roger
> Roger Hale
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> Monroe, Ga.
> 770-267-0850
> www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch Group 49 Batteries

[ROGER HALE via Mercedes]

Sorry, for the confusion.  With age the little grey cells don't always fire 
correctly.  Pepboys includes free installation with free red/green corrosion 
preventives.  And sorry Kaleb, I haven't been to a WalMart since they started 
putting American workers out of work with Chinese goods.  If you see me go in 
one, call the guys in the white coats as I've gone crazy.  But to each his own.
Best Wishes,
Roger
Roger Hale
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Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch Group 49R Batteries

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> On November 5, 2019 at 9:09 PM ROGER HALE via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> It is a group 49 with the POS on the right. 

Thanks. Good to know it's a regular 49. That was the only one I could find at 
Pepboys.

I've used 26R and 24R, but never heard of 49R before.
One of my Tauri, I think the 1995, took a 26R and the other one took a 26.
No idea why Ford kept the size the same but reversed the cables between Taurus 
generations.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Bosch Group 49R Batteries

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Yea the group 49/H8 is what is used in must about all the cars. BTW it 
is also $119 at Walmart.  WM also has the AGM version for $149 in case 
anybody is interested.


On 11/5/2019 8:09 PM, ROGER HALE via Mercedes wrote:

Yes, they have a terrible website.  It said my local store didn't have this battery, but 
it did.  I just went to the search line on my browser in put in the line above.  One of 
the "deals" was for Pepboys.  I clicked the link and got the online special.  
It is a group 49 with the POS on the right.  It works in both my 116 and 123 cars.  
Anyway, if you need it, there it is.  It has a 3 year warranty, but I've always gotten 
between 5-8 years with these batteries in the 617 diesels.  A difference now and the 
older batteries is that you can no longer add water as there are no plugs to remove to 
add water.  So, maybe they won't last as long as the older version.
Best Wishes,
Roger
Roger Hale
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Monroe, Ga.
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch Group 49R Batteries

[ROGER HALE via Mercedes]

Yes, they have a terrible website.  It said my local store didn't have this 
battery, but it did.  I just went to the search line on my browser in put in 
the line above.  One of the "deals" was for Pepboys.  I clicked the link and 
got the online special.  It is a group 49 with the POS on the right.  It works 
in both my 116 and 123 cars.  Anyway, if you need it, there it is.  It has a 3 
year warranty, but I've always gotten between 5-8 years with these batteries in 
the 617 diesels.  A difference now and the older batteries is that you can no 
longer add water as there are no plugs to remove to add water.  So, maybe they 
won't last as long as the older version.
Best Wishes,
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch Group 49R Batteries

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> On November 5, 2019 at 7:51 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Their website really seems to suck.  I can't seem to find a battery by 
> searching for it or by entering car information.

DuckDuckGo is your friend when store search engines are useless.

https://www.pepboys.com/bosch-premium-performance-battery-group-size-49/product/9073755

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Re: [MBZ] Bosch Group 49R Batteries

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Hold it, 49R???
Most of my MBs have exactly enough cable to reach the terminals on a 49. Move 
the terminals 3" and I don't think it would work in anything I own, except 
maybe the W116 or S210.

Is that really a 49Reversed, and if the terminals are facing you the POS is on 
your left?
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Bosch Group 49R Batteries

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Their website really seems to suck.  I can't seem to find a battery by 
searching for it or by entering car information.


On 11/5/2019 6:06 PM, ROGER HALE via Mercedes wrote:

In case anyone needs this battery for an older diesel, Pepboys has a really 
good deal right now.  If you do a web search for this battery and select the 
Pepboys deal, you get the following:  Battery is $179 in store, but $159 on the 
web only.  Then you get a $40.00 instant discount, so it's only $119 plus tax.  
It comes with free installation and no core charge.  I took them my old core 
and picked up the battery this evening which I'll install myself.  So if you 
need this battery, hit the web now.
Good luck and save,
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
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[MBZ] Bosch Group 49R Batteries

[ROGER HALE via Mercedes]

In case anyone needs this battery for an older diesel, Pepboys has a really 
good deal right now.  If you do a web search for this battery and select the 
Pepboys deal, you get the following:  Battery is $179 in store, but $159 on the 
web only.  Then you get a $40.00 instant discount, so it's only $119 plus tax.  
It comes with free installation and no core charge.  I took them my old core 
and picked up the battery this evening which I'll install myself.  So if you 
need this battery, hit the web now.
Good luck and save,
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch Two Plunger Injection Pump System - M127

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Call Steve Pelham and Neil at Star Motors.  I'll bet they can set you on 
the trail.


Dan--- via Mercedes wrote on 3/27/19 9:48 AM:

Classic Center would be a waste of time, but maybe Bosch. I’m just trying to 
find some books or literature that describe how it works. I think I understand 
it but I’m not sure. I want to know more

-D


On Mar 27, 2019, at 10:10 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Contact Bosch directly?  MB Classic Center?

--FT (who knows nothing about it but these thoughts come to mind)


On 3/27/19 9:58 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
Thanks for the names, but I’m looking for written information that I can read 
and refer to for future work if necessary. I have to believe that there are 
Bosch manuals floating around for this system. Mine is the older two plunger 
system. Later models were six plunger direct injector setups.

That’s what has me intrigued on this car - the injection system is set up with 
two lines from the pump, each going to a block on the right side of the engine 
where it appears there are three delivery valves with lines to injectors that 
are located in the intake manifold. Pretty weird setup and something I want to 
understand better.

I did score a TDM for the car on eBay a couple days ago. Paid $30 for it, heck 
of a deal. That will provide hours of reading material, no doubt.

-D


On Mar 26, 2019, at 10:13 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Pierre?  Les Blumner, if you can find him.

Phil Mangan knew it all, but he is NLA.  I think Phils SIL is still alive, but 
he closed up shop.  I don't  know how to reach  him.   Parts guys at MB of Des 
Moines probably do.

Oh!  You might try Steve Pelham at Pelham Bros.   tel: 5632428493  They 
specialize in restorations.  They did Bob Nible's Adenauer 300S.   He used to 
work for Harry Clark.
Steve probably know as much as anyone.  I am sure Steve worked on Bob's 220SEb 
too.

I can't remember the owner's name, but Star Motors is one of the better shops.  
When I was there one of their projects was adapting frod throttle body 
injection to a M100 in a 600.

*Star Motors*
1694 Union Center
Maine Highway Rt 26
Endicott, New York 13760-1341

*Customer Service*
607-786-3918

*Sales & Technical Support:*
607-754-4272
*Fax*
607-697-0511
*E-mail*
starmot...@stny.rr.com 

There is a guy in SW WI that only restores Adenauers.  He's good too.





Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 3/26/19 6:19 PM:

I’m curious to learn more about the operation of the fuel injection system on 
the M127 as it’s different from anything I’ve ever worked on, especially the 
injectors.  I’ve done some Googling without a lot of results.

Anyone know of a resource on these that I can wander through in my spare time?

Thanks!

-D
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch Two Plunger Injection Pump System - M127

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Well i'd start looking for manuals with those names.   Call em up and 
ask what manuals you should look for, and if they know anyone who might 
have one to sell or copy. Also try the CC.


Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 3/27/19 8:58 AM:

Thanks for the names, but I’m looking for written information that I can read 
and refer to for future work if necessary. I have to believe that there are 
Bosch manuals floating around for this system. Mine is the older two plunger 
system. Later models were six plunger direct injector setups.

That’s what has me intrigued on this car - the injection system is set up with 
two lines from the pump, each going to a block on the right side of the engine 
where it appears there are three delivery valves with lines to injectors that 
are located in the intake manifold. Pretty weird setup and something I want to 
understand better.

I did score a TDM for the car on eBay a couple days ago. Paid $30 for it, heck 
of a deal. That will provide hours of reading material, no doubt.

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Re: [MBZ] Bosch Two Plunger Injection Pump System - M127

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Gasoline injection into the manifold doesn't need to be timed accurately -- 
hence the CIS systems that work so well.  Two plungers, each feeding three 
cylinders, works just fine with lower cost.

On the other hand, the old 300SL with the "half an airplane engine" engine 
required correctly timed injection as the fuel was directly injected into the 
cylinder, not the manifold.

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Re: [MBZ] Bosch Two Plunger Injection Pump System - M127

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Classic Center would be a waste of time, but maybe Bosch. I’m just trying to 
find some books or literature that describe how it works. I think I understand 
it but I’m not sure. I want to know more

-D

> On Mar 27, 2019, at 10:10 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Contact Bosch directly?  MB Classic Center?
> 
> --FT (who knows nothing about it but these thoughts come to mind)
> 
>> On 3/27/19 9:58 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Thanks for the names, but I’m looking for written information that I can 
>> read and refer to for future work if necessary. I have to believe that there 
>> are Bosch manuals floating around for this system. Mine is the older two 
>> plunger system. Later models were six plunger direct injector setups.
>> 
>> That’s what has me intrigued on this car - the injection system is set up 
>> with two lines from the pump, each going to a block on the right side of the 
>> engine where it appears there are three delivery valves with lines to 
>> injectors that are located in the intake manifold. Pretty weird setup and 
>> something I want to understand better.
>> 
>> I did score a TDM for the car on eBay a couple days ago. Paid $30 for it, 
>> heck of a deal. That will provide hours of reading material, no doubt.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Mar 26, 2019, at 10:13 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Pierre?  Les Blumner, if you can find him.
>>> 
>>> Phil Mangan knew it all, but he is NLA.  I think Phils SIL is still alive, 
>>> but he closed up shop.  I don't  know how to reach  him.   Parts guys at MB 
>>> of Des Moines probably do.
>>> 
>>> Oh!  You might try Steve Pelham at Pelham Bros.   tel: 5632428493  They 
>>> specialize in restorations.  They did Bob Nible's Adenauer 300S.   He used 
>>> to work for Harry Clark.
>>> Steve probably know as much as anyone.  I am sure Steve worked on Bob's 
>>> 220SEb too.
>>> 
>>> I can't remember the owner's name, but Star Motors is one of the better 
>>> shops.  When I was there one of their projects was adapting frod throttle 
>>> body injection to a M100 in a 600.
>>> 
>>> *Star Motors*
>>> 1694 Union Center
>>> Maine Highway Rt 26
>>> Endicott, New York 13760-1341
>>> 
>>> *Customer Service*
>>> 607-786-3918
>>> 
>>> *Sales & Technical Support:*
>>> 607-754-4272
>>> *Fax*
>>> 607-697-0511
>>> *E-mail*
>>> starmot...@stny.rr.com 
>>> 
>>> There is a guy in SW WI that only restores Adenauers.  He's good too.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 3/26/19 6:19 PM:
 I’m curious to learn more about the operation of the fuel injection system 
 on the M127 as it’s different from anything I’ve ever worked on, 
 especially the injectors.  I’ve done some Googling without a lot of 
 results.
 
 Anyone know of a resource on these that I can wander through in my spare 
 time?
 
 Thanks!
 
 -D
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch Two Plunger Injection Pump System - M127

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Contact Bosch directly?  MB Classic Center?

--FT (who knows nothing about it but these thoughts come to mind)

On 3/27/19 9:58 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Thanks for the names, but I’m looking for written information that I can read 
and refer to for future work if necessary. I have to believe that there are 
Bosch manuals floating around for this system. Mine is the older two plunger 
system. Later models were six plunger direct injector setups.

That’s what has me intrigued on this car - the injection system is set up with 
two lines from the pump, each going to a block on the right side of the engine 
where it appears there are three delivery valves with lines to injectors that 
are located in the intake manifold. Pretty weird setup and something I want to 
understand better.

I did score a TDM for the car on eBay a couple days ago. Paid $30 for it, heck 
of a deal. That will provide hours of reading material, no doubt.

-D


On Mar 26, 2019, at 10:13 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Pierre?  Les Blumner, if you can find him.

Phil Mangan knew it all, but he is NLA.  I think Phils SIL is still alive, but 
he closed up shop.  I don't  know how to reach  him.   Parts guys at MB of Des 
Moines probably do.

Oh!  You might try Steve Pelham at Pelham Bros.   tel: 5632428493  They 
specialize in restorations.  They did Bob Nible's Adenauer 300S.   He used to 
work for Harry Clark.
Steve probably know as much as anyone.  I am sure Steve worked on Bob's 220SEb 
too.

I can't remember the owner's name, but Star Motors is one of the better shops.  
When I was there one of their projects was adapting frod throttle body 
injection to a M100 in a 600.

*Star Motors*
1694 Union Center
Maine Highway Rt 26
Endicott, New York 13760-1341

*Customer Service*
607-786-3918

*Sales & Technical Support:*
607-754-4272
*Fax*
607-697-0511
*E-mail*
starmot...@stny.rr.com 

There is a guy in SW WI that only restores Adenauers.  He's good too.





Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 3/26/19 6:19 PM:

I’m curious to learn more about the operation of the fuel injection system on 
the M127 as it’s different from anything I’ve ever worked on, especially the 
injectors.  I’ve done some Googling without a lot of results.

Anyone know of a resource on these that I can wander through in my spare time?

Thanks!

-D
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch Two Plunger Injection Pump System - M127

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Thanks for the names, but I’m looking for written information that I can read 
and refer to for future work if necessary. I have to believe that there are 
Bosch manuals floating around for this system. Mine is the older two plunger 
system. Later models were six plunger direct injector setups.

That’s what has me intrigued on this car - the injection system is set up with 
two lines from the pump, each going to a block on the right side of the engine 
where it appears there are three delivery valves with lines to injectors that 
are located in the intake manifold. Pretty weird setup and something I want to 
understand better.

I did score a TDM for the car on eBay a couple days ago. Paid $30 for it, heck 
of a deal. That will provide hours of reading material, no doubt.

-D

> On Mar 26, 2019, at 10:13 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Pierre?  Les Blumner, if you can find him.
> 
> Phil Mangan knew it all, but he is NLA.  I think Phils SIL is still alive, 
> but he closed up shop.  I don't  know how to reach  him.   Parts guys at MB 
> of Des Moines probably do.
> 
> Oh!  You might try Steve Pelham at Pelham Bros.   tel: 5632428493  They 
> specialize in restorations.  They did Bob Nible's Adenauer 300S.   He used to 
> work for Harry Clark.
> Steve probably know as much as anyone.  I am sure Steve worked on Bob's 
> 220SEb too.
> 
> I can't remember the owner's name, but Star Motors is one of the better 
> shops.  When I was there one of their projects was adapting frod throttle 
> body injection to a M100 in a 600.
> 
> *Star Motors*
> 1694 Union Center
> Maine Highway Rt 26
> Endicott, New York 13760-1341
> 
> *Customer Service*
> 607-786-3918
> 
> *Sales & Technical Support:*
> 607-754-4272
> *Fax*
> 607-697-0511
> *E-mail*
> starmot...@stny.rr.com 
> 
> There is a guy in SW WI that only restores Adenauers.  He's good too.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 3/26/19 6:19 PM:
>> I’m curious to learn more about the operation of the fuel injection system 
>> on the M127 as it’s different from anything I’ve ever worked on, especially 
>> the injectors.  I’ve done some Googling without a lot of results.
>> 
>> Anyone know of a resource on these that I can wander through in my spare 
>> time?
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch Two Plunger Injection Pump System - M127

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Pierre?  Les Blumner, if you can find him.

Phil Mangan knew it all, but he is NLA.  I think Phils SIL is still 
alive, but he closed up shop.  I don't  know how to reach  him.   Parts 
guys at MB of Des Moines probably do.


Oh!  You might try Steve Pelham at Pelham Bros.   tel: 5632428493  They 
specialize in restorations.  They did Bob Nible's Adenauer 300S.   He 
used to work for Harry Clark.
Steve probably know as much as anyone.  I am sure Steve worked on Bob's 
220SEb too.


I can't remember the owner's name, but Star Motors is one of the better 
shops.  When I was there one of their projects was adapting frod 
throttle body injection to a M100 in a 600.


*Star Motors*
1694 Union Center
Maine Highway Rt 26
Endicott, New York 13760-1341

*Customer Service*
607-786-3918

*Sales & Technical Support:*
607-754-4272
*Fax*
607-697-0511
*E-mail*
starmot...@stny.rr.com 

There is a guy in SW WI that only restores Adenauers.  He's good too.





Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 3/26/19 6:19 PM:

I’m curious to learn more about the operation of the fuel injection system on 
the M127 as it’s different from anything I’ve ever worked on, especially the 
injectors.  I’ve done some Googling without a lot of results.

Anyone know of a resource on these that I can wander through in my spare time?

Thanks!

-D
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[MBZ] Bosch Two Plunger Injection Pump System - M127

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’m curious to learn more about the operation of the fuel injection system on 
the M127 as it’s different from anything I’ve ever worked on, especially the 
injectors.  I’ve done some Googling without a lot of results.

Anyone know of a resource on these that I can wander through in my spare time?

Thanks!

-D
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[MBZ] Bosch high pressure fuel pump failures

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Anybody know if they are finding a way to improve these pumps? Apparently
BMW says it is a California issue and has something to do with the way fuel
is blended here. I have a hard time with that idea at over the road trucks
are very sophisticated and manage to run fine.

Trying to figure out what to do with the car.

On Mon, Aug 27, 2018, 8:54 AM Karl Wittnebel  wrote:

> Kaleb does that trick work on a w123 also? That would be, er, cool.
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 27, 2018, 8:50 AM Karl Wittnebel 
> wrote:
>
>> Oh well at least it's done and didnt cost a grand.
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 26, 2018, 2:05 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Wish I'd known that trick 24 hours ago.
>>> --
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>>> Charleston SC
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>>> '95 E300
>>>
>>> On August 25, 2018 10:48:04 PM EDT, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> >Or take 3 screws out, pop the center vents out, open the flap with your
>>> >hand and stick a exhaust hanger in there to prop it open. Takes 5
>>> >minutes or less.
>>> >
>>> >Sent from my iPhone
>>> >
>>> >> On Aug 25, 2018, at 9:29 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> I did it.  Cheaped out, hacked the center vent flap, didn't pull the
>>> >dash.
>>> >> Desperate times etc.  Now I have airflow from the center vents,
>>> >controlled
>>> >> by the dial only, instead of by the vacuum pod and the dial.  Note
>>> >that
>>> >> there are two flaps for the center vents, one "inner" (deeper in the
>>> >heater
>>> >> box) controlled by the vacuum pod and one "outer" flap controlled
>>> >manually
>>> >> by the dial in the middle of the center vent.
>>> >>
>>> >> A high level description: Remove center console shifter surround
>>> >wood,
>>> >> ashtray, wood over climate control and center stack buttons.  Remove
>>> >> climate control push button unit, and loosen the row of switches so
>>> >you can
>>> >> move that aside.
>>> >>
>>> >> Remove the instrument cluster to access the center vent screw on the
>>> >side
>>> >> of the center vent, open the glove box and remove the other screw on
>>> >the
>>> >> side of the center vent.  4mm hex key, loosen the allen screw inside
>>> >the
>>> >> center vent that connects the dial to the flap.  Use a couple picks
>>> >to pull
>>> >> the springs on the inside lip, left side of vent, so that the center
>>> >vent
>>> >> can be pulled out.
>>> >>
>>> >> Drill two very small holes into the heater box, below and on each
>>> >side of
>>> >> the hidden vacuum pod (located inside the heater box).  [Where is the
>>> >> hidden vacuum pod?  It is #40 on the diagrams in Section 83 of the
>>> >FSM.
>>> >> The vacuum connection, the rivets that hold the pod inside the heater
>>> >box,
>>> >> and the arm connection on the inner diverter flap are all good clues.
>>> > Note
>>> >> that you'll have a very narrow opening at the bottom of the outer
>>> >flap to
>>> >> see the inner flap, and the inner flap is the target.
>>> >>
>>> >> Press the inner flap down, and feed a piece of wire into one of the
>>> >holes
>>> >> you drilled and up to where you can see it and grab it with a
>>> >forceps, pull
>>> >> it out so that you have a nice length of wire at each end to work
>>> >with.
>>> >> Repeat with the other hole.
>>> >>
>>> >> Working at the top, through the outer flap opening, twist the ends of
>>> >the
>>> >> wire together so they hook over the part of the inner flap door that
>>> >has
>>> >> the white plastic rivet that holds the arm from the hidden pod.  Push
>>> >the
>>> >> inner flap down as far as you can, then grab the wires sticking out
>>> >of the
>>> >> holes you drilled, take up all the slack and twist them together so
>>> >the
>>> >> inner flap door is held open.  Check to make sure your wire is nice
>>> >and
>>> >> secure both top and bottom, and the top is tucked in out the way so
>>> >the
>>> >> outer flap door will close completely.
>>> >>
>>> >> Put back all the parts / assemblies / wood trim.  Enjoy nice airflow
>>> >from
>>> >> the center vents again.
>>> >> -
>>> >> Max
>>> >> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch

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Yah I was joking - sort of. There is so much cross labeling it is hard to
keep track.
https://blog.yaleappliance.com/which-appliance-companies-manufacture-different-premium-brands

On Feb 17, 2018 12:50 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Whirledpool makes kitchen aid. I have never heard of Bosch making the
> American models
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 17, 2018, at 1:43 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Friends were talking about DW yesterday.  They said the place they are
> renting for a couple rmonths has a Kiitchen Aid.  They said it was quiet
> and did a great job.  Anyoneknow who makes Kitchen Aid now?  I  know the
> mixers were bought by Whirlpool 30-some years ago.  I don't know who bought
> the dishwasher like.  I know when hobart owned Kitchen Aid, the DWs were
> great!
> >
> > So Karl, are you saying the Bosch makes the DWs for all the "Merkun
> brands?  Whirlypool, Frigidaire, GE, etc?
> >> Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
> >> February 17, 2018 at 1:30 PM
> >> It doesnt matter what brand you buy, because they are all made by bosch
> >> now. Except maybe miele.
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch

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Whirledpool makes kitchen aid. I have never heard of Bosch making the American 
models

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 17, 2018, at 1:43 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Friends were talking about DW yesterday.  They said the place they are 
> renting for a couple rmonths has a Kiitchen Aid.  They said it was quiet and 
> did a great job.  Anyoneknow who makes Kitchen Aid now?  I  know the mixers 
> were bought by Whirlpool 30-some years ago.  I don't know who bought the 
> dishwasher like.  I know when hobart owned Kitchen Aid, the DWs were great!
> 
> So Karl, are you saying the Bosch makes the DWs for all the "Merkun brands?  
> Whirlypool, Frigidaire, GE, etc?
>> Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>> February 17, 2018 at 1:30 PM
>> It doesnt matter what brand you buy, because they are all made by bosch
>> now. Except maybe miele.
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Friends were talking about DW yesterday.  They said the place they are 
renting for a couple months has a Kiitchen Aid.  They said it was quiet 
and did a great job.  Anyone know who makes Kitchen Aid now?  I  know 
the mixers were bought by Whirlpool 30-some years ago.  I don't know who 
bought the dishwasher like.  I know when hobart owned Kitchen Aid, the 
DWs were great!


So Karl, are you saying the Bosch makes the DWs for all the "Merkun 
brands?  Whirlypool, Frigidaire, GE, etc?

Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
February 17, 2018 at 1:30 PM
It doesnt matter what brand you buy, because they are all made by bosch
now. Except maybe miele.


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Re: [MBZ] Bosch

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

It doesnt matter what brand you buy, because they are all made by bosch
now. Except maybe miele.

On Feb 12, 2018 7:31 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> I don’t know which model I got other than it was around $500 two years ago
> and it doesn’t have the silverware basket in the top rack (these are to be
> avoided as they apparently don’t work well from what I hear.)
>
> We LOVE our Bosch dishwasher and will never, ever buy another brand.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Feb 12, 2018, at 7:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Also, not sure which model I got. I will check and let you know.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Feb 12, 2018, at 6:22 PM, Russ Williams via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Kaleb what model Bosch dishwasher did you get.
> >> I'm thinking about replacing the Kenmore that we have.
> >> Why didn't you tell me you were going to be in BR last week would've
> taking you out
> >> for lunch.
> >> Russ
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

My brother in law has one with the top silverware rack that doesn’t clean well. 
He said that when this came up during service he was told it was an issue and 
that the models with the rack on the bottom did a better job.  His is probably 
6-7 years old now, so maybe it’s an issue they resolved.

-D

> On Feb 13, 2018, at 2:17 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My top drawer silverware shelf works fine. Every now and then something might 
> not get clean but I just run it thru again.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 13, 2018, at 1:04 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> We love ours as well - got it based on the reviews from you guys. Wife
>> thinks it's the best thing I've ever bought her - even at the high price.
>> We got the SHEM63W52N model - lowest cost with the third rack silverware
>> drawer at the top - it works really well - leaves more space for larger
>> pots, etc. down below. It's hard to hear it running, but takes longer than
>> the old dishwashers we've had, but cleans better than any we've ever owned
>> (6 so far?).
>> Highly recommended.
>> 
>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 9:30 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I don’t know which model I got other than it was around $500 two years ago
>>> and it doesn’t have the silverware basket in the top rack (these are to be
>>> avoided as they apparently don’t work well from what I hear.)
>>> 
>>> We LOVE our Bosch dishwasher and will never, ever buy another brand.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> 
 On Feb 12, 2018, at 7:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Also, not sure which model I got. I will check and let you know.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Feb 12, 2018, at 6:22 PM, Russ Williams via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Kaleb what model Bosch dishwasher did you get.
> I'm thinking about replacing the Kenmore that we have.
> Why didn't you tell me you were going to be in BR last week would've
>>> taking you out
> for lunch.
> Russ
>>> 
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>> 
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>> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>> 
>> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
>> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

My top drawer silverware shelf works fine. Every now and then something might 
not get clean but I just run it thru again.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 13, 2018, at 1:04 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> We love ours as well - got it based on the reviews from you guys. Wife
> thinks it's the best thing I've ever bought her - even at the high price.
> We got the SHEM63W52N model - lowest cost with the third rack silverware
> drawer at the top - it works really well - leaves more space for larger
> pots, etc. down below. It's hard to hear it running, but takes longer than
> the old dishwashers we've had, but cleans better than any we've ever owned
> (6 so far?).
> Highly recommended.
> 
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 9:30 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I don’t know which model I got other than it was around $500 two years ago
>> and it doesn’t have the silverware basket in the top rack (these are to be
>> avoided as they apparently don’t work well from what I hear.)
>> 
>> We LOVE our Bosch dishwasher and will never, ever buy another brand.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 12, 2018, at 7:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Also, not sure which model I got. I will check and let you know.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Feb 12, 2018, at 6:22 PM, Russ Williams via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Kaleb what model Bosch dishwasher did you get.
 I'm thinking about replacing the Kenmore that we have.
 Why didn't you tell me you were going to be in BR last week would've
>> taking you out
 for lunch.
 Russ
>> 
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> 
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> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
> 
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> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I loved my Bosch dw in the old house but the 2008 Kitchenaid in my new home
is almost as good.  Not as quiet but the cycle takes less time and the
dishes get really clean..

On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 2:04 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:

> We love ours as well - got it based on the reviews from you guys. Wife
> thinks it's the best thing I've ever bought her - even at the high price.
> We got the SHEM63W52N model - lowest cost with the third rack silverware
> drawer at the top - it works really well - leaves more space for larger
> pots, etc. down below. It's hard to hear it running, but takes longer than
> the old dishwashers we've had, but cleans better than any we've ever owned
> (6 so far?).
> Highly recommended.
>
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 9:30 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I don’t know which model I got other than it was around $500 two years
> ago
> > and it doesn’t have the silverware basket in the top rack (these are to
> be
> > avoided as they apparently don’t work well from what I hear.)
> >
> > We LOVE our Bosch dishwasher and will never, ever buy another brand.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
> > > On Feb 12, 2018, at 7:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Also, not sure which model I got. I will check and let you know.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Feb 12, 2018, at 6:22 PM, Russ Williams via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Kaleb what model Bosch dishwasher did you get.
> > >> I'm thinking about replacing the Kenmore that we have.
> > >> Why didn't you tell me you were going to be in BR last week would've
> > taking you out
> > >> for lunch.
> > >> Russ
> >
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>
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> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
>
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> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
>
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch

[OK Don via Mercedes]

We love ours as well - got it based on the reviews from you guys. Wife
thinks it's the best thing I've ever bought her - even at the high price.
We got the SHEM63W52N model - lowest cost with the third rack silverware
drawer at the top - it works really well - leaves more space for larger
pots, etc. down below. It's hard to hear it running, but takes longer than
the old dishwashers we've had, but cleans better than any we've ever owned
(6 so far?).
Highly recommended.

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 9:30 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I don’t know which model I got other than it was around $500 two years ago
> and it doesn’t have the silverware basket in the top rack (these are to be
> avoided as they apparently don’t work well from what I hear.)
>
> We LOVE our Bosch dishwasher and will never, ever buy another brand.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Feb 12, 2018, at 7:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Also, not sure which model I got. I will check and let you know.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Feb 12, 2018, at 6:22 PM, Russ Williams via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Kaleb what model Bosch dishwasher did you get.
> >> I'm thinking about replacing the Kenmore that we have.
> >> Why didn't you tell me you were going to be in BR last week would've
> taking you out
> >> for lunch.
> >> Russ
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learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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Re: [MBZ] Bosch

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I don’t know which model I got other than it was around $500 two years ago and 
it doesn’t have the silverware basket in the top rack (these are to be avoided 
as they apparently don’t work well from what I hear.)

We LOVE our Bosch dishwasher and will never, ever buy another brand.

-D


> On Feb 12, 2018, at 7:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Also, not sure which model I got. I will check and let you know. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 12, 2018, at 6:22 PM, Russ Williams via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Kaleb what model Bosch dishwasher did you get.
>> I'm thinking about replacing the Kenmore that we have.
>> Why didn't you tell me you were going to be in BR last week would've taking 
>> you out
>> for lunch.
>> Russ


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Re: [MBZ] Bosch

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Also, not sure which model I got. I will check and let you know. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 12, 2018, at 6:22 PM, Russ Williams via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Kaleb what model Bosch dishwasher did you get.
> I'm thinking about replacing the Kenmore that we have.
> Why didn't you tell me you were going to be in BR last week would've taking 
> you out
> for lunch.
> Russ
> 
>> On Mon,2/12/18 17:56, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> So I love my Bosch dishwasher. How are Bosch washers and driers? I have 
>> contemplated buying a like new set instead of jacking with replacing 
>> bearings in mine. I may go ahead and fix the bearing then sell the set and 
>> get some of my money back.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Well crap, I did not realize you were down there. My mother lives over by 
Lafayette so I will be down again I’m sure.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 12, 2018, at 6:22 PM, Russ Williams via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Kaleb what model Bosch dishwasher did you get.
> I'm thinking about replacing the Kenmore that we have.
> Why didn't you tell me you were going to be in BR last week would've taking 
> you out
> for lunch.
> Russ
> 
>> On Mon,2/12/18 17:56, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> So I love my Bosch dishwasher. How are Bosch washers and driers? I have 
>> contemplated buying a like new set instead of jacking with replacing 
>> bearings in mine. I may go ahead and fix the bearing then sell the set and 
>> get some of my money back.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch

[Russ Williams via Mercedes]

Kaleb what model Bosch dishwasher did you get.
I'm thinking about replacing the Kenmore that we have.
Why didn't you tell me you were going to be in BR last week would've 
taking you out

for lunch.
Russ

On Mon,2/12/18 17:56, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

So I love my Bosch dishwasher. How are Bosch washers and driers? I have 
contemplated buying a like new set instead of jacking with replacing bearings 
in mine. I may go ahead and fix the bearing then sell the set and get some of 
my money back.

Sent from my iPhone

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[MBZ] Bosch

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

So I love my Bosch dishwasher. How are Bosch washers and driers? I have 
contemplated buying a like new set instead of jacking with replacing bearings 
in mine. I may go ahead and fix the bearing then sell the set and get some of 
my money back. 

Sent from my iPhone

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[MBZ] Bosch K-Jetronic (CIS) Explained

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Interesting video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4fJAfXYxWk

-D

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Re: [MBZ] Bosch SR97X Starter

[MG via Mercedes]

Well that's a good thing to know. Thanks Dan

Manfred

Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Feedback on the attempt to convert:

Well, the SR97x is not working well for me. It cranks well enough to start warm 
and above 50*f air temp but it just doesn't have the raw power to crank fast 
enough to start easily below freezing.

New battery (Nov 2016), passed load test of 450amps for 15 seconds
308amps max draw cranking (including glowplugs, 68amps)
2/0 battery cables and ground strap
0.03v drop across positive cable
0.05v drop across ground path
Battery voltage drops to 9.8V on ramp up and levels off to 10.8V on constant 
crank
AL129x 115amp alternator

15W50 oil doesn't help, but the old starter was noticeably better in the cold.
So this starter DOES work, but it would be better suited for the *OM616*.

Oh, well.

-D
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch SR97X Starter

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

+1   The OE(M) Bosch starter is heavy, rugged, durable, and reliable.  
What is to improve on? (yes, they do wear out after a reasonable service 
life.)
The OM60xgear reduction starter is ok, but they fail with NO warning.  
I'd rather have the starter used in OM621, 615, 616 and 617, (and 
probably OM636)  Even when they are tired you can usually coax thenm to 
work a few more months before they absolutely crap out.

Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
February 4, 2017 at 7:08 PM
It makes sense... the power output is similar, but the gearing is
different. Doesn't sound like its really going to improve things.

But this begs the question: whats is there to improve? These cars have
been starting for 40 years with the original style starter, which is still
available. Why change now?

Jaime


On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 7:11 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <


Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
February 4, 2017 at 6:11 AM
Feedback on the attempt to convert:

Well, the SR97x is not working well for me. It cranks well enough to 
start warm and above 50*f air temp but it just doesn't have the raw 
power to crank fast enough to start easily below freezing.


New battery (Nov 2016), passed load test of 450amps for 15 seconds
308amps max draw cranking (including glowplugs, 68amps)
2/0 battery cables and ground strap
0.03v drop across positive cable
0.05v drop across ground path
Battery voltage drops to 9.8V on ramp up and levels off to 10.8V on 
constant crank

AL129x 115amp alternator

15W50 oil doesn't help, but the old starter was noticeably better in 
the cold.

So this starter DOES work, but it would be better suited for the *OM616*.

Oh, well.

-D
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch SR97X Starter

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

It makes sense... the power output is similar, but the gearing is
different.  Doesn't sound like its really going to improve things.

But this begs the question:  whats is there to improve?  These cars have
been starting for 40 years with the original style starter, which is still
available.  Why change now?

Jaime


On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 7:11 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Feedback on the attempt to convert:
>
> Well, the SR97x is not working well for me. It cranks well enough to start
> warm and above 50*f air temp but it just doesn't have the raw power to
> crank fast enough to start easily below freezing.
>
> New battery (Nov 2016), passed load test of 450amps for 15 seconds
> 308amps max draw cranking (including glowplugs, 68amps)
> 2/0 battery cables and ground strap
> 0.03v drop across positive cable
> 0.05v drop across ground path
> Battery voltage drops to 9.8V on ramp up and levels off to 10.8V on
> constant crank
> AL129x 115amp alternator
>
> 15W50 oil doesn't help, but the old starter was noticeably better in the
> cold.
> So this starter DOES work, but it would be better suited for the *OM616*.
>
> Oh, well.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch SR97X Starter

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Someone on BenzWorld was experimenting with the SR97X as a replacement for the 
SR67X.

-D


> On Feb 4, 2017, at 7:59 PM, fmiser via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
>> Dan wrote:
> 
>> Well, the SR97x is not working well for me. It cranks well
>> enough to start warm and above 50*f air temp but it just doesn't
>> have the raw power to crank fast enough to start easily below
>> freezing.
> 
> Why did you not get a SR67X?  Maybe I missed that post.
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch SR97X Starter

[fmiser via Mercedes]

Dan wrote:



Well, the SR97x is not working well for me. It cranks well
enough to start warm and above 50*f air temp but it just doesn't
have the raw power to crank fast enough to start easily below
freezing.


Why did you not get a SR67X?  Maybe I missed that post.

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[MBZ] Bosch SR97X Starter

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Feedback on the attempt to convert:

Well, the SR97x is not working well for me. It cranks well enough to start warm 
and above 50*f air temp but it just doesn't have the raw power to crank fast 
enough to start easily below freezing.

New battery (Nov 2016), passed load test of 450amps for 15 seconds
308amps max draw cranking (including glowplugs, 68amps)
2/0 battery cables and ground strap
0.03v drop across positive cable
0.05v drop across ground path
Battery voltage drops to 9.8V on ramp up and levels off to 10.8V on constant 
crank
AL129x 115amp alternator

15W50 oil doesn't help, but the old starter was noticeably better in the cold.
So this starter DOES work, but it would be better suited for the *OM616*.

Oh, well.

-D
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch

[Michael Esh via Mercedes]

Thank you!

Michael Esh
231-894-5505


> On Feb 20, 2016, at 10:29 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I think it’s this:  SHX5AV5xUC*
> 
> It was $629.00 on sale at HH Gregg, a regional appliance store, but I saw it 
> at Lowe’s and other places for the same price.  Ours has a grab handle on the 
> door, but there is a nearly identical model that’s flush with a recessed 
> handle. We like the ‘hidden” buttons, which are along the top edge of the 
> door and are covered up by the countertop when the door is closed.
> 
> I think this is about the bottom end of their stainless line, but they did 
> have others for less. Our needs are pretty basic, and it seemed like the more 
> expensive they got the more frivolous the features that we would never have 
> use for.  Sort of like the washing machines with the steam cleaning and that 
> goofy stuff.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 20, 2016, at 10:36 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> They have various models with all the same case and guts, just different 
>> control arrangements on the door and racks inside.  Best to just see which 
>> you like.
>> 
>> --R
>> 
>>> On 2/20/16 9:33 AM, Michael Esh via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Could you send model # please.  My Mom needs a new one
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>> Michael Esh
>>> 231-894-5505
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Bosch

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I think it’s this:  SHX5AV5xUC*

It was $629.00 on sale at HH Gregg, a regional appliance store, but I saw it at 
Lowe’s and other places for the same price.  Ours has a grab handle on the 
door, but there is a nearly identical model that’s flush with a recessed 
handle. We like the ‘hidden” buttons, which are along the top edge of the door 
and are covered up by the countertop when the door is closed.

I think this is about the bottom end of their stainless line, but they did have 
others for less. Our needs are pretty basic, and it seemed like the more 
expensive they got the more frivolous the features that we would never have use 
for.  Sort of like the washing machines with the steam cleaning and that goofy 
stuff.

Dan



> On Feb 20, 2016, at 10:36 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> They have various models with all the same case and guts, just different 
> control arrangements on the door and racks inside.  Best to just see which 
> you like.
> 
> --R
> 
> On 2/20/16 9:33 AM, Michael Esh via Mercedes wrote:
>> Could you send model # please.  My Mom needs a new one
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Mike
>> 
>> Michael Esh
>> 231-894-5505
>> 
>> 


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Re: [MBZ] Bosch

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

They have various models with all the same case and guts, just different 
control arrangements on the door and racks inside.  Best to just see 
which you like.


--R

On 2/20/16 9:33 AM, Michael Esh via Mercedes wrote:

Could you send model # please.  My Mom needs a new one

Thanks,
Mike

Michael Esh
231-894-5505



On Feb 20, 2016, at 6:42 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
wrote:

With all the commotion over this new car, I almost forgot to mention that we 
got our new Bosch dishwasher last Sunday.  I got it installed and ran it 
shortly afterwards.

I had to tell the cat to quiet down because I couldn’t hear it over her purring.

Dan
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