Re: [MBZ] Like a Raped Ape

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Back when Rusty was in the process of selling out and closing his business, I 
ordered 2 Bilstein regular duty shocks. He send me 2 Bilstein HD shocks. 
I installed them on the rear anyway and the ride was the same as yours.
Now I need 2 for the front and I'm wondering if the regulars on the front will 
play nice with the HD's on the back, or if I should get HD's for the front as 
well?
Gerry

On Tue, 10 Apr 2018 09:45:06 -0400
Dan Penoff via Mercedes  wrote:

> People seem to get caught buying the HD Bilsteins from time to time.  I got a 
> set for my former 300SD and hated them. They were so hard you could feel 
> every little bump/crack/rock in the road.  In a car that was more of a high 
> performance sort of vehicle I could see it, but not in an S class.
> 
> Knowing what I do now I always go for the standard Bilstein.  On a related 
> note, a dealer tech I know says that rear shocks rarely ever wear out.  He 
> said of all the (stock/original) rear shocks he’s replaced over 20+ years 
> he’s hardly ever found a set that warranted replacement.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> > On Apr 10, 2018, at 9:36 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > I put some KYB struts and shocks in SWMBO's Infiniti, and they ride almost
> > like rocks, WAY too stiff for me.  Not bad for short trips around town and
> > on smooth highway drives, but not at all suitable for a long day in the
> > car.  At the time it was hard to justify the $300 / strut cost from the
> > Stealership vs. about $80 from Rusty for the KYB, but now I know why...
> > 
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> > 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Like a Raped Ape

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

People seem to get caught buying the HD Bilsteins from time to time.  I got a 
set for my former 300SD and hated them. They were so hard you could feel every 
little bump/crack/rock in the road.  In a car that was more of a high 
performance sort of vehicle I could see it, but not in an S class.

Knowing what I do now I always go for the standard Bilstein.  On a related 
note, a dealer tech I know says that rear shocks rarely ever wear out.  He said 
of all the (stock/original) rear shocks he’s replaced over 20+ years he’s 
hardly ever found a set that warranted replacement.

-D


> On Apr 10, 2018, at 9:36 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I put some KYB struts and shocks in SWMBO's Infiniti, and they ride almost
> like rocks, WAY too stiff for me.  Not bad for short trips around town and
> on smooth highway drives, but not at all suitable for a long day in the
> car.  At the time it was hard to justify the $300 / strut cost from the
> Stealership vs. about $80 from Rusty for the KYB, but now I know why...
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Like a Raped Ape

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Just to clarify, I wasn’t suggesting he put Monroes on it - GAAAK!  Just 
tossing them out as a price point reference.

Bilstein or Sachs.  Nothing else.  And avoid the HD Bilsteins unless you want 
to feel every little pebble in the road.

-D


> On Apr 10, 2018, at 9:32 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:
>> Ugh, Monroe's ride like you welded the rod to the cylinder, avoid them at 
>> all costs (and they are valved like American shocks, too).   Had a pair on 
>> the rear of my 280, replaced them with a set of Bilsteins from a '65 out of 
>> the junk yard.  Vastly better.
>> 
>> Hold out for the real ones, aftermarket will be worse than what is on there.
>> 
> AMEN!   ALL 'merkin shocks are to be avoided like the plague!Put 
> Bilsteins on it, or ride with no shocks, as that is what you will get with 
> monroe/'merkun shocks!
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Re: [MBZ] Like a Raped Ape

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I put some KYB struts and shocks in SWMBO's Infiniti, and they ride almost
like rocks, WAY too stiff for me.  Not bad for short trips around town and
on smooth highway drives, but not at all suitable for a long day in the
car.  At the time it was hard to justify the $300 / strut cost from the
Stealership vs. about $80 from Rusty for the KYB, but now I know why...

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 9:32 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
>
> Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Ugh, Monroe's ride like you welded the rod to the cylinder, avoid them at
>> all costs (and they are valved like American shocks, too).   Had a pair on
>> the rear of my 280, replaced them with a set of Bilsteins from a '65 out of
>> the junk yard.  Vastly better.
>>
>> Hold out for the real ones, aftermarket will be worse than what is on
>> there.
>>
>> AMEN!   ALL 'merkin shocks are to be avoided like the plague!Put
> Bilsteins on it, or ride with no shocks, as that is what you will get with
> monroe/'merkun shocks!
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Re: [MBZ] Like a Raped Ape

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote:

Ugh, Monroe's ride like you welded the rod to the cylinder, avoid them at all 
costs (and they are valved like American shocks, too).   Had a pair on the rear 
of my 280, replaced them with a set of Bilsteins from a '65 out of the junk 
yard.  Vastly better.

Hold out for the real ones, aftermarket will be worse than what is on there.

AMEN!   ALL 'merkin shocks are to be avoided like the plague!Put 
Bilsteins on it, or ride with no shocks, as that is what you will get 
with monroe/'merkun shocks!

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Re: [MBZ] Like a Raped Ape

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Ugh, Monroe's ride like you welded the rod to the cylinder, avoid them at all 
costs (and they are valved like American shocks, too).   Had a pair on the rear 
of my 280, replaced them with a set of Bilsteins from a '65 out of the junk 
yard.  Vastly better.

Hold out for the real ones, aftermarket will be worse than what is on there.



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Re: [MBZ] Like a Raped Ape

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Nice!

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 11:37 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The 450SL got new injectors this day.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Like a Raped Ape

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Glad you’re able to keep it from going up in flames.  You can’t imagine the 
number of 74 and 75 MY cars I saw down here that burst into flames because all 
the rubber bits deteriorated from the under hood temperatures.  It used to be 
fairly common, even more so in this area because the climate accelerated the 
issues.

Keep an eye out on Rock Auto.  Maybe they’ll have a closeout on some Bilstein 
or Sachs shocks for it.  Currently they have Monroes for $33/each for the rear….

-D


> On Apr 9, 2018, at 11:37 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The 450SL got new injectors this day.   Well, installed, they had been living 
> in a box for the past week or so.
> 
> There were two OE injectors that had chosen to piddle upon the engine and 
> wanted to make the car go boom with flames.  My indy forbade me to use the 
> car until he got the offending injectors replaced.  He found two from his 
> supplier that needed to be shipped from FL.  There was one “new” that had 
> been installed a number of years ago to resolve misfire, so that left five to 
> make them all new.  Classic Center had those.  I figured I would not want to 
> keep having to dig in, so ordered them.
> 
> I dropped the car off this morning and picked it up after noon.  Tech had 
> made a very pretty installation and did adjustments for smooth operation.  I 
> took her for a shake down on the freeway to see what my $2k purchased.  I 
> think I am back to original 0-60 timing.  I stopped at the top of the ramp 
> and floored it.  Lots of G and I slid back into the seat cushions.  It had 
> not done that before.
> 
> At speed, or stuck behind a slow truck, I stomp the GO pedal and get pushed 
> back in the seat and leap  forward.  Motorcycle responsiveness.  I am liking 
> this.  And it is smoother, quieter, just … better.  The hot stumble is 
> greatly reduced.  It used to be bad at idle.  Waiting for the light to 
> change, the car would seem to want to die, as if only five pistons were 
> performing.  Now, the idle is smooth and regular.  Must have been that the 
> two failed injectors were not able to make atomized petrol.   There is some 
> stumble at initial pedal action, but giving it just a bit more fuel makes it 
> smooth out and go.
> 
> When I get rich, I am going to replace the clapped out shocks with some nice 
> Bilsteins.
> 
> 
> clay 
> 
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1986 SDL - Polei
> 1982 300 SD - Allen
> 
> retired models-
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Like a Raped Ape

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

I had a friend in college who's father had a 450SL.  About 12 mpg was usual, 
the 450 sedan got 14 or so.

Big beautiful cars, but very gas hungry.

At least you are getting some use from the fuel!

They can be leaned out quite a bit, drops the performance but I go the 280 up 
to 17 mpg on the highway.
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Re: [MBZ] Like a Raped Ape

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

One day I hope to get that high.

At least now I will not be spewing fuel out and getting no miles from it.


clay 

1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers







> On Apr 9, 2018, at 9:15 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yeah, that old D-Jet has amazing acceleration when set up right.  Amazing 
> fuel consumption, too -- when my 280 drove like that I was getting 14 mpg.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Like a Raped Ape

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Yeah, that old D-Jet has amazing acceleration when set up right.  Amazing fuel 
consumption, too -- when my 280 drove like that I was getting 14 mpg.



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Re: [MBZ] Like a Raped Ape

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

When you put new Bilsteins on it; That will make a HUGE difference in 
handling.


clay monroe via Mercedes wrote:

The 450SL got new injectors this day.   Well, installed, they had been living 
in a box for the past week or so.

There were two OE injectors that had chosen to piddle upon the engine and 
wanted to make the car go boom with flames.  My indy forbade me to use the car 
until he got the offending injectors replaced.  He found two from his supplier 
that needed to be shipped from FL.  There was one “new” that had been installed 
a number of years ago to resolve misfire, so that left five to make them all 
new.  Classic Center had those.  I figured I would not want to keep having to 
dig in, so ordered them.

I dropped the car off this morning and picked it up after noon.  Tech had made 
a very pretty installation and did adjustments for smooth operation.  I took 
her for a shake down on the freeway to see what my $2k purchased.  I think I am 
back to original 0-60 timing.  I stopped at the top of the ramp and floored it. 
 Lots of G and I slid back into the seat cushions.  It had not done that before.

At speed, or stuck behind a slow truck, I stomp the GO pedal and get pushed 
back in the seat and leap  forward.  Motorcycle responsiveness.  I am liking 
this.  And it is smoother, quieter, just … better.  The hot stumble is greatly 
reduced.  It used to be bad at idle.  Waiting for the light to change, the car 
would seem to want to die, as if only five pistons were performing.  Now, the 
idle is smooth and regular.  Must have been that the two failed injectors were 
not able to make atomized petrol.   There is some stumble at initial pedal 
action, but giving it just a bit more fuel makes it smooth out and go.

When I get rich, I am going to replace the clapped out shocks with some nice 
Bilsteins.


clay




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[MBZ] Like a Raped Ape

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

The 450SL got new injectors this day.   Well, installed, they had been living 
in a box for the past week or so.

There were two OE injectors that had chosen to piddle upon the engine and 
wanted to make the car go boom with flames.  My indy forbade me to use the car 
until he got the offending injectors replaced.  He found two from his supplier 
that needed to be shipped from FL.  There was one “new” that had been installed 
a number of years ago to resolve misfire, so that left five to make them all 
new.  Classic Center had those.  I figured I would not want to keep having to 
dig in, so ordered them.

I dropped the car off this morning and picked it up after noon.  Tech had made 
a very pretty installation and did adjustments for smooth operation.  I took 
her for a shake down on the freeway to see what my $2k purchased.  I think I am 
back to original 0-60 timing.  I stopped at the top of the ramp and floored it. 
 Lots of G and I slid back into the seat cushions.  It had not done that before.

At speed, or stuck behind a slow truck, I stomp the GO pedal and get pushed 
back in the seat and leap  forward.  Motorcycle responsiveness.  I am liking 
this.  And it is smoother, quieter, just … better.  The hot stumble is greatly 
reduced.  It used to be bad at idle.  Waiting for the light to change, the car 
would seem to want to die, as if only five pistons were performing.  Now, the 
idle is smooth and regular.  Must have been that the two failed injectors were 
not able to make atomized petrol.   There is some stumble at initial pedal 
action, but giving it just a bit more fuel makes it smooth out and go.

When I get rich, I am going to replace the clapped out shocks with some nice 
Bilsteins.


clay 

1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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