Ahh, but look at Exxon.
earnings statements for 2005, 2006, 2007...
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=XOMannual
2005 total revenue of $370,680,000,000
2005 net income of $36,130,000,000
Profit 9.74695%
2006 total revenue of $377,635,000,000
2006 net income of $39,500,000,000
profit 10.4598%
Oil companies should be nationalized and run by the federal government,
with all excess income going to fund programs. That ought to make
things better.
--R
Luther wrote:
Ahh, but look at Exxon.
earnings statements for 2005, 2006, 2007...
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=XOMannual
2005
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Oil companies should be nationalized and run by the federal
Tom Hargrave wrote:
Nationalize oil companies?
Then why not nationalize healthcare, convenience stores, home mortgages,
banking, grocery stores, Wal-Mart, GE, Microsoft?
Maybe Fidel would help us out with that. I hear he's unemployed now.
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes
Oil companies should be nationalized and run by the federal government,
with all excess income going to fund programs. That ought to make
things better.
--R
Luther wrote:
Ahh, but look
You are starting to sound like the socialis... oh wait, I mean,
democratic party.
Rich Thomas wrote:
Oil companies should be nationalized and run by the federal government,
with all excess income going to fund programs. That ought to make
things better.
--R
Luther wrote:
Ahh, but
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Excellent plan. That would drive the economy to new heights of success,
and fund lots
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under these conditions??
Thanks, Tom
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But they had run out of hope and were not interested
Sure, just like the USSR and China.
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Excellent plan. That would drive
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I am thinking Rich is funnin' with us - ;-)
He obviously knows how absurd such a suggestion is and wants to see who will
rise to the bait
F that! They need to be involved in less than 5% of my life.
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I am thinking Rich is funnin' with us
Record profits? Tell us what the difference is between a profit and a
profit margin.
Luther wrote:
I believe in the free market, but does it really work? Take a look at the
fuel industry. Record prices AND record profits... That's not free
market...
Luther
On Thu, 17 Apr 2008
If you have a 401K, or just about any other retirement account, pension
etc you are probably invested in an oil company. As for profits, the
government makes FAR more off the sale of fuel than does the oil
companies. Maybe they should give up some of their share?
Rich Thomas wrote:
I don't
Well you see, this kind of comment is confusing the oil-company bashers
with the facts.
When I was in college, a local pol ran for office. The opponent's only
advertising consisted of repeated radio commercials of the guy saying
(caught on tape at some event), Don't confuse me with the facts,
PM
To: 'Jim Cathey'; 'Mercedes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes
So, you are suggesting that we place even more of the tax burden on the
rich?
England did that, so does India. Why do you think so many of our
Physicians are from those two countries
Extending your logic a bit further, Traders do not set prices. They
match sell orders with buy orders. Supply with demand. The market sets
the price.
If only it really worked like that
-Dave Walton
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Rich Thomas
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't understand why
A bit better explanation, but I'll bite - how does it really work? Dick
Cheney's weekly oil-price setting conference call? Trilateral
Commission? Chinese buyers/ Arab sellers and London/NY/HK traders?
--R
dave walton wrote:
Extending your logic a bit further, Traders do not set prices.
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Extending your logic a bit further, Traders do not set prices
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Futures scare me. Options on Futures limit your risk, but are pricey
LarryT wrote:
Notice in all that you are *never* given the chance to tell the market what
the price is *going* to be.
Sure you can. It's called a limit order. For example, let's say you are
willing to buy 1,000 barrels (42,000 gallons) of crude at $110 a barrel.
You just place a limit buy
Mitch Haley wrote:
I bid $912 for a single June ZG (100oz gold), and watched the published bid
rise from $911.80 to $912 and then a seller quickly hit my bid and the quoted
bid dropped to 911.70 or something. By the time I could get a sell order
entered, the bid was 911.30 and the offer was
I really do not understand any of this really. So, where did you do
this bidding? Did you actually make any money on it?
Mitch Haley wrote:
LarryT wrote:
Notice in all that you are *never* given the chance to tell the market what
the price is *going* to be.
Sure you can. It's called a
I believe in the free market, but does it really work? Take a look at the fuel
industry. Record prices AND record profits... That's not free market...
Luther
On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:55:58 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So you do not believe in a free market?
Luther
Luther wrote:
I believe in the free market, but does it really work? Take a look at the
fuel industry. Record prices AND record profits... That's not free
market...
The ones with record profits are the ones who are pumping it out of
the ground at record prices. Nothing wrong with
With the existing regulation, big oil has a de-facto monopoly.
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I believe
I don't understand why people think an oil company should not make
profits. Their profits are pretty much in line with other companies,
and lower than some (Microsoft for example), as a percentage of income.
Should it be 0% or 2% or what? If less than the average then stock
prices go down,
Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I don't understand why people think an oil company should not make
profits.
Agreed. And where were these folks on the subject when oil was about
$10/bbl and oil companies were losing their shirts?
Allan
--
1983 300D
The thing that annoys me is that the oil producers are crying about how
it is getting more expensive to find and extract oil.
Every few weeks there is a 'crisis' somewhere and the price goes up.
Question is how critical are these crisis? Are they just beat ups to
push the price up?
Smells like a
Hendrik Fay wrote:
The thing that annoys me is that the oil producers are crying about how
it is getting more expensive to find and extract oil.
Of course it's more expensive. All their equipment runs on oil.
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For new parts see
Houston is the center of the all bidness in the US. Most of the easy
oil has been found and extracted. Now, the big reserves (that the
companies are allowed to tap) are located off-shore in thousands of feet
of water in the Gulf. The technology and equipment used to get to this
stuff is
If you run a real business (Which I do), you budget Labor, Material,
Depreciation, O'head, Taxes, Etc. You pay your obligations, keep the balence
to invest or buy popsycles with as you see fit.
If you don't do this, the endeaver is called a hobbie. I've done that too ;-(
Pete
--
BZZZT, WRONG. Competition will result in lower prices. If company A no
longer h as to pay the embedded tax, they can lower their price by x
amount, so they will them be cheaper than company B. Soon, company B
will also lower their price as well to keep up.
Luther wrote:
HAHAHAHA. That is
oh well, with the growth in other areas, they can get other jobs.
Donald Snook wrote:
John wrote:
For all the people who complain about taxes losing other people jobs
(increased taxes on the rich - one less condo - condo industry going down
- construction workers etc losing jobs) nobody
Jim Cathey wrote:
Doesn't make the job itself any less evil, consider the gas oven
guards. We can change the jobs our society depends on to something
a bit more productive and/or respectable.
Comparing an IRS desk job to a guard job for the Holocaust is wrong by
many orders of magnitude.
What do you mean its the best game in town?
Wonko the Sane wrote:
Federal taxes should be no different than state sales tax at the register.
But that is not my tax plan. Mine is x% of gross income. If I make (I wish!)
$100,000 a year, then I pay -- taking 10% out of my butt -- $10,000 in
You can live that fairy tale, but this is the real world.
Luther
On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:27:41 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
BZZZT, WRONG. Competition will result in lower prices. If company A no
longer h as to pay the embedded tax, they can lower their price by x
So you do not believe in a free market?
Luther wrote:
You can live that fairy tale, but this is the real world.
Luther
On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:27:41 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
BZZZT, WRONG. Competition will result in lower prices. If company A no
longer h as
Comparing an IRS desk job to a guard job for the Holocaust is wrong by
many orders of magnitude. Its reprehensible.
That's what makes it such a useful rhetorical tool, the orders of
magnitude of difference point out what's wrong with the I'm
only doing my job argument. Not reprehensible at
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 7:52 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am all for a flat tax. I will give away my mortgage deduction (TurboTax
always points to standard deduction anyway, so why be buying a house?) if
everyone would pay x% of income (NO loopholes) in taxes.
Let's say
Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Not exactly, Donald. Obama's plan would roll back the tax cuts on the
wealthy (Dubya's friends) who pay a much lower percentage than I do as
middle class, and probably, lower middle class, I paid thousands this
year in taxes while some really rich folks
Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
I am all for a flat tax. I will give away my mortgage deduction (TurboTax
always points to standard deduction anyway, so why be buying a house?) if
everyone would pay x% of income (NO loopholes) in taxes.
Let's say 5%. if you make $20K a year, you pay
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Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Not exactly, Donald. Obama's plan
Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
They pay the overwhelming lions share based on percentage of income. In
other words, they pay far more per dollar than we do because of their tax
bracket. But the bulk of the tax dollars are collected from the lower
middle classes.
I guess we need to
Isn't a flat tax as regressive as you can get (short of charging a
percentage inversely proportional to income)? It hits the poor a lot
harder than the rich, surely. In your example above, 5% of
$10,000,000 means one less condo in Lake Tahoe, new Bentley for the
mistress, or splurge in
: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 8:31 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes
Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
They pay the overwhelming lions share based on percentage of income. In
other words, they pay far more per dollar than we do because
But the bulk of the tax dollars are collected from the lower
middle classes.
Is that not fair? That's the bulk of the people, and presumably
where the bulk of benefits reaped from taxation are seen. Or are
we proposing that there be 'tax slaves'?
-- Jim
Tom wrote:
“80% of the tax burden is on the working class. Why? Because so much of our
population is working class.”
I think you are wrong about that Tom. According to the Office of Tax Analysis
the income tax is highly progressive
According to the most recent data available:
“the top 5
In your example above, 5% of $10,000,000 means one less condo in Lake Tahoe
It might be a big deal for the carpenters, plumbers, electricians, etc.
who build condos in Tahoe... and the interior decorators, the
housekeepers, etc.
Allan
--
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Donald,
Please do not confuse this forum with facts ;-)
Pete, who is in the middle somewhere and trying to improve his position.
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Tom wrote:
â80% of the tax burden is on the working class. Why? Because
Donald Snook wrote:
The top 1 percent of taxpayers paid 33.7 percent of all individual income
taxes. This group of taxpayers has paid more than 30 percent of individual
income taxes since 1995.
This would be the people that Wonko says don't pay any taxes. He's
been involved in Demoncrat party
Jim Cathey wrote:
I could perhaps be talked into a poverty-level exemption, below
which there were no taxes, but that would open up the game to
endlessly moving that line around (upwards, I'd imagine), and
it would place a huge barrier (or an incentive to deception)
at the point where you
How would it affect anything? All the taxes we pay go into the big cesspool
of WaDC and aren't spent according to their earmark. Fuel taxes, social
security, education dollars, etc... I don't see a difference, our roads are
still horrible Asphalt was never ment for traffic.
Luther
On
My dream world is a flat tax AND abolish Social Security. How about that for
an economic stimulus package? Everyone in the nation could receive a 14%
raise. Then require that they invest at least 7% of their income into an
approved 401K like fund and they can do as they please with the rest.
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 6:37 AM, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Isn't a flat tax as regressive as you can get (short of charging a
percentage inversely proportional to income)? It hits the poor a lot
harder than the rich, surely. In your example above, 5% of
$10,000,000 means one
The fair tax solves all those problems. The people who pay in are those
who spend more of their money. The rich are going to spend more than a
poorer person. And with that plan, all the illegals, people who make
their money under the table, and people visiting from overseas will pay
in, now
you should REALLY study the fair tax, a flat tax just does not make
sense when the fair tax is a much better plan. It is by far the most
heavily studied and researched tax plan.
Luther wrote:
My dream world is a flat tax AND abolish Social Security. How about that for
an economic stimulus
proposes break in fuel taxes
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 7:52 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am all for a flat tax. I will give away my mortgage deduction (TurboTax
always points to standard deduction anyway, so why be buying a house?) if
everyone would pay x% of income (NO loopholes
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On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 7:52 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED
Abolish income tax and charge a 20% across the board tax on everything that is
non-food and non-clothing.
Luther
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:18:06 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
you should REALLY study the fair tax, a flat tax just does not make
sense when the fair tax is a
for the seat, and the other stuff if you have it.
BillR
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What
Actually, its 23%, no other federal income tax etc, no more irs.
http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer
Luther wrote:
Abolish income tax and charge a 20% across the board tax on everything that
is non-food and non-clothing.
Luther
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:18:06 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin
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To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes
What you are talking about sounds like the fair tax, not the flat tax.
With the fair tax, everyone gets a prebate on necessary items purchases,
based of family size.
Bill R wrote:
As a self
but you see, all the embedded taxes that are added to items now would go
away, so the price on the shelf would actually go down roughly the same
amount as the fair tax, so you really are paying the same amount now as
you would be if we had the fair tax, except you would get to keep all
your
no more IRS should save nearly a billion in salaries each year. :D
Luther
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:01:59 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually, its 23%, no other federal income tax etc, no more irs.
http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer
Luther wrote:
Abolish income
OK, thanks. I will continue to eagerly await my turn.
BillR
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HAHAHAHA. That is BS. Do you really think large companies like Wal-Fart will
lower their prices when they know that people will pay them? Hell no, that's
potential profit lost. Sheesh.
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:05:45 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
but you see, all the
Luther wrote:
no more IRS should save nearly a billion in salaries each year. :D
For all the people who complain about taxes losing other people jobs
(increased taxes on the rich - one less condo - condo industry going
down - construction workers etc losing jobs) nobody seems too concerned
Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
HAHAHAHA. That is BS. Do you really think large companies like Wal-Fart
will lower their prices when they know that people will pay them? Hell
no, that's potential profit lost. Sheesh.
If they did not, someone else would. That's competition. I'm not sure
John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Luther wrote:
no more IRS should save nearly a billion in salaries each year. :D
For all the people who complain about taxes losing other people jobs
(increased taxes on the rich - one less condo - condo industry going
down - construction
John wrote:
For all the people who complain about taxes losing other people jobs
(increased taxes on the rich - one less condo - condo industry going down -
construction workers etc losing jobs) nobody seems too concerned about all the
folks at the IRS losing their jobs.
Don't forget the
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes
But the bulk of the tax dollars are collected from the lower
middle classes.
Is that not fair? That's the bulk of the people, and presumably
where the bulk of benefits reaped from taxation are seen
I will hire some to work with me. That is if they don't mind working with
the challenged instead of having a plush job in DC (don't argue with me, I
used to work in DC). I make $14 an hour, so as my employee they will have to
make less. They might have to change an adult diaper and can expect to
I understand that the folks we love to hate
(i.e., the IRS) are just 9 to 5 folks who have a job. And they are just
doing their job.
Doesn't make the job itself any less evil, consider the gas oven
guards. We can change the jobs our society depends on to something
a bit more productive and/or
You'll depend not on the government but on private charities funded
voluntarily by the generosity of the many people who will be making
more money than you once the income tax is abolished.)
That's what I want. Private charities don't perpetuate themselves
at the point of a gun. If they
Federal taxes should be no different than state sales tax at the register.
But that is not my tax plan. Mine is x% of gross income. If I make (I wish!)
$100,000 a year, then I pay -- taking 10% out of my butt -- $10,000 in
taxes. I think I was at 40K gross last year, so I'd pay $4K in taxes. But
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Sent: 4/16/08 8:47 AM
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But the bulk of the tax dollars are collected from the lower
middle classes.
Is that not fair? That's the bulk of the people
well said! You must have been reading my thoughts as was writing my post.
At 09:34 PM 4/16/2008, you wrote:
I understand that the folks we love to hate
(i.e., the IRS) are just 9 to 5 folks who have a job. And they are just
doing their job.
Doesn't make the job itself any less evil,
That sounds OK for a guy on a salary or working hourly but how do you figure
it out for a business where you have to pay for materials and labor etc.
Barry
But that is not my tax plan. Mine is x% of gross income. If I make (I
wish!)
$100,000 a year, then I pay -- taking 10% out of my butt --
Donald Snook wrote:
PITTSBURGH (AP) - John McCain wants the federal government to free people
from paying gasoline taxes this summer
Sounds like a cure. If demand starts outstripping supply of a commodity,
then subsizing consumption should even the balance, eh? [/sarcasm]
Mitch.
PITTSBURGH (AP) - John McCain wants the federal government to free people from
paying gasoline taxes this summer and ensure that college students can secure
loans this fall, a pair of proposals aimed at stemming pain from the country's
troubled economy.
At the same time, the certain Republican
Sounds like a cure. If demand starts outstripping supply of a commodity,
then subsizing consumption should even the balance, eh? [/sarcasm]
I think it is more oil market speculation, rather than demand, that is driving
the price of a barrel of oil up. As far as the price of a barrel of crude
that he is a Politician.
Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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Subject: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes break in fuel taxes
Regarding a break in fuel taxes, Tom Hargrove wrote: So, where should they
pull the replacement funds from - Social Security? Or maybe they should not
pull from anywhere else and further increase the federal debt?
This is just a carefully crafted ploy to grab the public's attention. I
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Regarding a break in fuel taxes, Tom Hargrove wrote: So, where should they
pull
Donald Snook wrote:
He could sell the strategic petroleum reserves. Clinton did that one
year when he wanted to show that he had balanced the budget. He sold
the whole reserve put nearly a billion dollars in the federal coffers
and then started building up the reserve the next day.
One
Populist politics never work in the long term, better off to slash taxes
on fuel efficient cars to reduce demand and get Mom out of the monster
truck.
Hendrik
who likes his 300TE everywhere except at the servo
Mitch Haley wrote:
Donald Snook wrote:
PITTSBURGH (AP) - John McCain wants the
Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Populist politics never work in the long term, better off to slash
taxes on fuel efficient cars to reduce demand and get Mom out of the
monster truck.
I was thinking that would also make more sense, though there's already
some evidence that places that
Not exactly, Donald. Obama's plan would roll back the tax cuts on the
wealthy (Dubya's friends) who pay a much lower percentage than I do as
middle class, and probably, lower middle class, I paid thousands this year
in taxes while some really rich folks found loopholes and paid pretty much
The fairtax is the best plan out there. No need for a deduction when
you do not pay income tax
Wonko the Sane wrote:
Not exactly, Donald. Obama's plan would roll back the tax cuts on the
wealthy (Dubya's friends) who pay a much lower percentage than I do as
middle class, and probably, lower
Wonko the Sane wrote:
Not exactly, Donald. Obama's plan would roll back the tax cuts on the
wealthy (Dubya's friends) who pay a much lower percentage than I do as
middle class, and probably, lower middle class,
You'd be surprised what the rich people (at least the working rich)
pay. I've
different from
what we already have.
Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
256-656-1924
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: McCain proposes
Yeah well I guess in private business if income is reduced then
expenditure gets tightened.
In government if income is reduced the amount of income is raised.
Wouldn't it be nice to be able to just say I want an extra 2 bucks an
hour to offset the rise in living costs and guess what boss man
The way it works is that the rich invest their money to make more money
and provide jobs for the people, what annoys me is when they use tax
havens to waste their money.
This is something that needs to be addressed, nothing wrong with giving
someone a tax break if it goes back into the economy
Who would you rather have spending money to keep the country growing,
someone who made a fortune by working hard and smart or a
politician/bureaucrat who talks nice or learnt his/her management skills
from a course.
The old saying is that the rich are rich because they are best equipped
to
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