Re: [MBZ] made up statistics

2010-11-07 Thread Walt Zarnoch
All statistics stink because of that exact reason... Walt On Nov 6, 2010 3:58 PM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: I thought it was 85.749% that were ... Extracted from... Well you can guess -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Nov 5,

Re: [MBZ] made up statistics

2010-11-07 Thread Dieselhead
All statistics are suspect. Again, I recommend How to lie with statistics by Huff. http://www.amazon.com/How-Lie-Statistics-Darrell-Huff/dp/0393310728 It is illustrated with cartoons, and illustrates the many ways statistics can be distorted. All statistics stink because of that exact

Re: [MBZ] made up statistics

2010-11-07 Thread WILTON
, November 07, 2010 8:24 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] made up statistics All statistics are suspect. Again, I recommend How to lie with statistics by Huff. http://www.amazon.com/How-Lie-Statistics-Darrell-Huff/dp/0393310728 It is illustrated with cartoons, and illustrates the many ways statistics can

Re: [MBZ] made up statistics

2010-11-07 Thread Peter Frederick
Statistics are just numbers, and the formulas used to generate them are NOT intelligent -- they work no matter what numbers you put in. The first lessons in a decent statistics class involve long discussions of this fact -- to whit, the numbers mean nothing unless the underlying

Re: [MBZ] made up statistics

2010-11-07 Thread Walt Zarnoch
The current drug em till they don't ask tough questions and go outside the lesson plan treatment for the fictional ADHD money-making diagnosis is all hogwash, lies, and downright child endagerment.(my opinion) A VERY small minority actually has something treatable by the snake oil concotions...

Re: [MBZ] made up statistics

2010-11-07 Thread LWB250
: From: Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] made up statistics To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sunday, November 7, 2010, 11:02 AM The current drug em till they don't ask tough questions and go outside the lesson plan treatment for the fictional ADHD

Re: [MBZ] made up statistics

2010-11-07 Thread rogerhga
Guys, I've been reading the statistics topic. How can some of you dismiss the great benefits of methodologies like Six Sigma and all of the improvements it has given American industry...right up there with ISO9000 and ITIL (tongue in cheek). Anyway, I remember the basic line about statistics

Re: [MBZ] made up statistics

2010-11-07 Thread Walt Zarnoch
Like I said, there are few who truely have it. I was one who didn't. I loved the feeling of having the ability to multitask and have creative thought ripped from my head... so much better to feel zoned out... Sorry if anything comes across harsh, I'm just against the he colors outside the lines,

Re: [MBZ] made up statistics

2010-11-07 Thread LWB250
...@gmail.com wrote: From: Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] made up statistics To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sunday, November 7, 2010, 12:00 PM Like I said, there are few who truely have it. I was one who didn't. I loved the feeling of having the ability

Re: [MBZ] made up statistics

2010-11-07 Thread LWB250
...@comcast.net roger...@comcast.net wrote: From: roger...@comcast.net roger...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] made up statistics To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sunday, November 7, 2010, 11:23 AM Guys, I've been reading the statistics topic. How can some of you dismiss the great benefits

Re: [MBZ] made up statistics

2010-11-07 Thread Dieselhead
that have to be fitted (if they do, indeed, fit) when treating such an individual. Dan --- On Sun, 11/7/10, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: From: Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] made up statistics To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sunday

Re: [MBZ] made up statistics

2010-11-07 Thread Peter Frederick
Bingo -- seems that boredom, excessive distraction (don't put a kid with ADD next to the window) and waiting for all the rest of the kids to catch up results in a diagnosis of ADHD. I've read quite a bit of the stuff on amphetamines, and it's mostly bunk science. As stated, the measures

Re: [MBZ] made up statistics

2010-11-07 Thread Jim Cathey
The average cost to keep a kid in school for 6-7 hours a day varies, but it is mostly 30-40k a year, about what it costs to house a prisoner full time. We pay about $4500/year for our 3rd grader. Private, there are no subsidies whatsoever. And these kids _learn_. I remember Kindergarten, we

Re: [MBZ] made up statistics

2010-11-07 Thread LWB250
to be accountable? Oy. Dan --- On Sun, 11/7/10, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] made up statistics To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sunday, November 7, 2010, 12:37 PM The problem is that gummit provided extra funds

Re: [MBZ] made up statistics

2010-11-07 Thread LWB250
to the test is a real challenge for teachers. Put a kid in a situation that does not conform to the way things have been presented to them and they are lost. Dan --- On Sun, 11/7/10, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] made up statistics

Re: [MBZ] made up statistics

2010-11-07 Thread Walt Zarnoch
to the way things have been presented to them and they are lost. Dan --- On Sun, 11/7/10, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] made up statistics To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sunday, November 7, 2010, 4:21 PM

Re: [MBZ] made up statistics

2010-11-07 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Around here they seem to just let the kids wonder the classrooms, wonder the halls, listen to their headphones during class, just wantever it seem. Geez. On 11/7/2010 2:47 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: Bingo -- seems that boredom, excessive distraction (don't put a kid with ADD next to the

Re: [MBZ] made up statistics

2010-11-07 Thread Dieselhead
They are just displaying their priorities. (The same as every state supported university) Same as my college building a multi-million gym expansion and field house, but giving the engineering programs a nice cut... Walt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For

Re: [MBZ] made up statistics

2010-11-07 Thread Dieselhead
to present the plant to be accountable? Oy. Dan --- On Sun, 11/7/10, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] made up statistics To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sunday, November 7, 2010, 12:37 PM The problem

Re: [MBZ] made up statistics

2010-11-07 Thread l02turner
spoke LarryT 91 300D -Original Message- From: Jim Cathey Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 4:21 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] made up statistics The average cost to keep a kid in school for 6-7 hours a day varies, but it is mostly 30-40k a year, about what it costs

Re: [MBZ] made up statistics

2010-11-07 Thread Barry Stark
Actually you are dead wrong Pete. Speed is just what is needed in a lot of cases. I suffer from moderate ADD myself and have done a fair amount of reading research on it. There is a of misinformation out there about ADD/ADHD and a lot of misdiagnosis as well, especially when you get the various

Re: [MBZ] made up statistics

2010-11-07 Thread John Reames
Yah, like here in maryland one candidate was crowing that sales taxes skyrocketed by 20% under the incumbent... Yeah, they went up from 5% to 6%... -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Nov 7, 2010, at 8:24, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: All

Re: [MBZ] made up statistics

2010-11-07 Thread John Reames
You know someone is probably AD(H)D when they can take a good nap after taking about 0.25mg/kg of adderal... -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Nov 7, 2010, at 15:47, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: Bingo -- seems that boredom,

Re: [MBZ] made up statistics

2010-11-06 Thread John Reames
I thought it was 85.749% that were ... Extracted from... Well you can guess -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Nov 5, 2010, at 22:17, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: 43% of all statistics are made up on the spot. On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:03 PM,

Re: [MBZ] made up statistics

2010-11-05 Thread Mitch Haley
relng...@aol.com wrote: Small plane commercial pilot is, IIRC, the 3rd most dangerous job in USA. I suspect driving a car is safer than riding with them You knew this would wake me up, didn't you? Since I am always willing to learn, why don't you direct me to a credible site that

Re: [MBZ] made up statistics

2010-11-05 Thread OK Don
43% of all statistics are made up on the spot. On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:03 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: Small plane commercial pilot is, IIRC, the 3rd most dangerous job in USA. I suspect driving a car is safer than riding with them You knew this would wake me up, didn't you?

Re: [MBZ] made up statistics

2010-11-04 Thread RELNGSON
Small plane commercial pilot is, IIRC, the 3rd most dangerous job in USA. I suspect driving a car is safer than riding with them You knew this would wake me up, didn't you? Since I am always willing to learn, why don't you direct me to a credible site that shows these statistics.