Other than summer school for under grads, I have no idea.
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.netwrote:
As a youth, I went to their summer program for Mountaineering
Orienteering, which was more our less a right of passage for the Dillon
household. Loved it. Do
I printed out the coupon Dan gave the link for and headed off to
Autozone. Their computer said I needed an Group H6 battery, DuraLast Gold,
for $164.99. I thought that was a little excessive.
I had measured the battery tray size earlier so I had an idea what would
fit. When Loren earlier
Yup - I stock up from Rusty when placing an order anyway that exceeds the
free shipping threshold.
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 8:29 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:
Rusty sent the last MB antifreeze I bought. 'Came to my front door.
Wilton
- Original Message - From: Jim Cathey
Yup, BTDT, have the t-shirt (still have the Chicago t-shirt from the MS tour
at the OKC PC Users Group meeting, August, 1995).
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 6:52 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
And for several others:
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I was surprised when I found out that the vergassers I've owned all used the
same group 49 battery that the Diesels do - the 107 450SLC, the 124 300E,
and I think the MLuses it also, but need to check to be sure.
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 10:33 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:
I printed
On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 23:16:39 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
I was surprised when I found out that the vergassers I've owned all
used the same group 49 battery that the Diesels do - the 107 450SLC,
the 124 300E, and I think the MLuses it also, but need to check to be
sure.
Well,
Sorry, I got distracted from the original question. I thought we
were talking about a Diesel. But yes, most 123, 124, 126, 110, 111,
108 etc. vergassers either have a tray that will fit a group 49, or
the group 49 tray will fit in the chassis.
I printed out the coupon Dan gave the link
Only thing masochistic about a Citation is changing the spark plugs on the
back bank of the V6 models. They were actually pretty good cars and the x11
model handled very well and was quite quick for a 2.8liter.
Mike
On Aug 19, 2011 8:26 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
relng...@aol.com
...Didn't GM invent Dex-Cool and push it as the
be-all-and-end-all of antifreeze, nontoxic and never
needing to be changed?..
relng...@aol.com wrote:
They also built the Chevrolet Citation.
Mitch Haley wrote:
Had one of the first ones, 4 cylinder, 4 speed, five door, F41
Fmiser wrote:
And the engine stalled anytime you made a hard left turn -
correct? It's been too long, but that was only one of the
everyday writeups from the test drivers.
Only time that thing stalled was stopping on a hill with a cold engine when the
choke vacuum pull-off had failed.
I have used Autozone batteries in several cars without incident. Like Sears,
these places are prolific enough that you can be just about anywhere and get
the part replaced in short order.
Dan
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 19, 2011, at 11:03 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:
On Fri, 19
Use this at Autozone this weekend.
Dan
Sent from my iPhone
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Date: August 19, 2011 12:49:57 AM EDT
To: lwb...@yahoo.com
Subject: Sorry it's been so long
Reply-To: AutoZone autozone.qnh5j0.56...@email.autozone.com
Dan Penoff wrote:
Use this at Autozone this weekend.
If you're having trouble viewing images, view online version.
A working link to that online version of the coupon would be nice.
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On 8/20/2011 7:56 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:
Dan Penoff wrote:
Use this at Autozone this weekend.
If you're having trouble viewing images, view online version.
A working link to that online version of the coupon would be
Some progress!
After 48 hours on the Battery Tender the battery (a new Group 49 from
NAPA, you may recall) was finally fully charged. I was able to crank
for nearly a minute before the starter audibly slowed down. No
cooking-electronics smell this time.
I stopped cranking to reglow every
Russ Williams wrote:
Mitch I can forward that email directly to you if you want me to.
Just (right click-copy link location), then paste it in an email to the list.
Dan forwarded the text from the email, which didn't do much good without the
coupon link.
Mitch.
Sorry. I did it in a hurry from my iPhone, and didn't realize the link didn't
come through.
Back in a minute with the link.
Dan
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Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 8:56 AM
Alex Chamberlain wrote:
Comments? Particularly on the weird start and then fail behavior?
You get fuel (or diesel purge) enough to start it, but not a continuous flow to
keep it running?
I'm thinking, get a 5' chunk of clear vinyl hose, probably 1/4 ID, stick it on
the outlet of the
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 7:59 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
get a 5' chunk of clear vinyl hose, probably 1/4 ID, stick it
on the outlet of the clear filter, suck it full of diesel, drop the end in a
5 gallon can, and see if you can siphon the can full with a good flow of
airless fuel.
If you cranked for one minute but stopped 3 times to glow during that minute, I
don't think you will succeed. I have always had to crank for between thirty
seconds and a minute before it starts firing, and usually it takes three or
more attempts with a couple of minutes rest in between.
Max
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I also think your battery is not fully charged.
Max
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Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote:
Some progress!
After 48 hours on the Battery Tender the battery (a new Group 49 from
NAPA, you may recall) was finally
Check what they have in stock and make sure it looks like they are
turning over their inventory. Last time I looked at batteries at K-Mart
here, they had a covering of dust; I don't think they sell many.
The Interstate shop here is open on Saturdays.
Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com writes:
I have
Interstate, if you can find one on the weekend, would be my choice.
Again, there is nothing wrong with Autozone's batteries, either.
Dan
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 20, 2011, at 11:44 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:
Check what they have in stock and make sure it looks like they
Progress, hurray!
I'd guess your air actually leaked OUT which got you a complete charge of fuel
for a sec which let it run.
If it were me I'd proactively replace all the rubber fuel lines. I HATE chasing
fuel leaks... The only lines I've never replaced are the clear plastic ones
around the
When I was in college a friend had one of the most disreputable looking
Citations ever all bondo, rust and grey primer. One time it wouldn't run so I
went over to help. When I pulled out the spark plugs the electrodes were GONE,
missing, not present at all.
He said it had been Starting hard
The only thing really wrong with those cars was the GM tendency to
make junk parts and cheat on everything. The sheetmetat was crap,
the plastic parts weren't made right (and the managers at the
production plants lied about it) quality control was about par with a
Soviet factory, etc.
A few weeks ago I replaced the head gasket on my 96 Chebbie turck (5L
v8) as it was barfing coolant out the back of the head. While generally
a PITA job it went OK and I was careful to take notes, read/follow the
Chiltons and some other stuff I found on the tubernets. Got it all back
Most likely a fuel or ignition problem, although it could be a tight
valve leaking all the cmpression out.
Not familiar with that engine, but those are the most likely.
Also possible you have a bad intake gasket at that cylinder, so it's
sucking air. Easy check -- spray some carb or brake
Peter Frederick wrote:
Most likely a fuel or ignition problem, although it could be a tight
valve leaking all the compression out.
I'm thinking plug wire, distributor cap, injector, air leak.
You can try swapping the injector to another cylinder and see if the problem
moves. Same with the
Thanks, I was thinking to check the valves on that cylinder, but that
means taking off the AC stuff, etc. to get the valve cover off, no fun.
Maybe worth it before spending the $$ on the tool. I'll give the spray a
test, though I put on a new set of intake gaskets and torqued everything
Timing won't make one cylinder mis fire, it will cause all of them to
get flaky. I'd lean more toward a broken wire than a timing problem,
all you did was replace a head gasket. Requires setting the cam
offset, but the dizzy on those engines really only points the spark
to the correct
Ah, forgot about that one!
Walt
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote:
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 9:26 PM, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote:
Setup a filter for them, and make it retroactivly apply.
Then search by filter, and delete them page by page.
Or, click
Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net writes:
I've heard that GM finally learned not to make cars form junkyard
parts, but I'll believe it when I see one 25 years old with 300,000
miles on it working well with minimal mechanicing, like my Benz.
I'm not sure I believe that GM is there yet. I
Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net writes:
But you also need to force the t-stat open and get flow through the
heater core, so engine needs to be running, heater on, block drain
open, fresh water flowing in via fitting at upper radiator hose.
OK my thinking now is that it's had green
Remember the Edsel?
Walt
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:
On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 10:36:58 +0930 Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au
wrote:
Speaking of luby Moly, anyone use their Diesel purge/clean/flush
product?
I have and I am sure lots of others have,
Definitely.
My 2004 Focus ZXW wagon is at 142,000 right now. No rattles, noises or any sort
of troubles, other than a rear wheel bearing that was my fault for curbing the
wheel.
Just got back from the dealer for a The Works visit ($32.00) with a clean
bill of health.
I fully expect to drive
On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 13:20:54 -0400 Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com
wrote:
Remember the Edsel?
Walt
Yes, but what does that have to do with using LubroMoly Diesel Purge?
Craig
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:
On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 10:36:58 +0930
Doesn't anyone use coolant test strips???
Been using them for years on all kind of diesel powered equipment to test
for presence of the good or bad stuff in coolant. Napa sells them, just
ask. There is a shelf life so check when you buy and get fresh.
Takes about 5 minutes to determine if your
Woops, was supposed to send that to the Citation discussion!
Walt
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:
On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 13:20:54 -0400 Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com
wrote:
Remember the Edsel?
Walt
Yes, but what does that have to do with using
Least expensive 49 battery a month or two ago was wally-land's. I
have not used a wally battery, but I think they are the same as most
FLAPS. NAPA batteries are generally good, but as previously stated,
most batteries are made at the same place. They just have different
stickers, and there
Dieselhead wrote:
Best battery I ever had was a motorcraft. It lasted 9 years.
Yeah, no kidding. Even with an Advance Auto $40 off on $100 purchase coupon,
it's not cheap.
When factory was $110 and Duralast was $60, I bought Duralast.
With Duralast at $105, or $95 after coupon, I'd like
Oops, wrong quote.
I was responding to:
For what most of the FLAPS want for a 49 battery, I would investigate the
price at a stealership.
Mitch Haley wrote:
Dieselhead wrote:
Best battery I ever had was a motorcraft. It lasted 9 years.
Yeah, no kidding. Even with an Advance Auto $40
Was Citation the cheap little Cadillac? If not, what was that POS called,
other than POS, that is?
Wilton
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ]
WILTON wrote:
Was Citation the cheap little Cadillac? If not, what was that POS
called, other than POS, that is?
Cavalier, I mean Cimarron.
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WILTON wrote:
Was Citation the cheap little Cadillac? If not, what was that POS
called, other than POS, that is?
Oh, and the Citation/Omega/Phoenix/Skylark was the 1980 FWD replacement for the
old RWD Nova/Omega/Phoenix/Skylark.
My dad had a 1977 Nova that he sold at about 150,000 miles
I've had good luck with Autozone and most of the batteries top rated by
Consumers
Reports except Advanced Auto which had one cell with no visible electrolyte
that
the local manager refused to exchange. (I wasn't supposed to have taken off
the cell
covers and looked at the electrolyte levels.)
Was Citation the cheap little Cadillac? If not, what was that POS
called,
other than POS, that is?..
That was the Cimmaron which was nothing more than a Citation in drag. When
Car and Driver printed a road test on it, they suggested that GM send out a
letter of apology with each sale.
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Yep, Cimarron, I remembered that 'bout 5 min ago. Thanks.
Wilton
- Original Message -
From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Citation
WILTON wrote:
Was Citation the cheap
My Nova story: Summer of 1977, we lived at George AFB, Victorville, CA.
20-year-old daughter had just finished her sophomore year at East Carolina
U, Greenville, NC. She called and said she and a friend, another mighty
fine-looking, 20-year-old blonde, were driving friend's new car all the
If you remember the Cimarron, you'll enjoy this:
http://mars.superlink.net/~rriegler/sml/
Dan
From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Citation
Yep, Cimarron,
Be careful with coolant test strips, for a number of reasons:
1.) They have a shelf life.
2.) There are literally 20-30 different types of test strips, for testing the
pH to testing for the presence of various additives, like DCA.
If you use test strips, be educated about what you get and what
awesomeness
--R
On 8/20/11 5:57 PM, LWB250 wrote:
If you remember the Cimarron, you'll enjoy this:
http://mars.superlink.net/~rriegler/sml/
Dan
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Pictures please.
--R
On 8/20/11 5:47 PM, WILTON wrote:
She called and said she and a friend, another mighty fine-looking,
20-year-old blonde,
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Thanks Dan,
All good points that I should have brought up in the original post. Sorry,
time and patience was short.
Somewhere in the world there is MBZ list of approved materials and what test
strip configuration is right for MBZ and how to interpret properly.
Grant...
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at
!977 was a horrible year for new car emissions/driveability, unless you bought
something inherently clean, like a Saab 99 (just a little passive air injection
in the exhaust headers) or CVCC Honda.
That said, the Chevy 250, 305, and 350 were all very solid engines in 1977, same
for the THM350
Uh-oh, Kaleb is listed on their resource page...
Max
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Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
awesomeness
--R
On 8/20/11 5:57 PM, LWB250 wrote:
If you remember the Cimarron, you'll enjoy this:
Walt wrote:
Ah, forgot about that one!
Yep.
I am now at 0% instead of 18% full.
No need to hog resources...
mao
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RLE wrote:
That was the Cimmaron which was nothing more than a Citation in drag.
I think any caddy is the equal chevy in drag.
I don't like modern cars - they all are in drag.
mao
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I've seen the fuel lines pick up air at the banjo fittings, not at the washers,
but where they are pressed into the plastic.
It was exacerbated by a plugged tank vent.
Also, do the 603's have a solenoid shutoff valve? If so, replace the o-ring(s)
behind it.
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The blondes or the Vega? ;
The blondes are still doing and looking fine at 54 (though a little
heavier); seriously doubt that the Vega is.
Wilton
- Original Message -
From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Oh, I really messed it up! I meant VEGA, VEGA!
Wilton
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Citation
!977 was a horrible year for new car
Give me an older car any day. Well, within reason. I'm starting the search
for the just right W123 diesel.
Bob R
On Aug 20, 2011 4:00 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote:
RLE wrote:
That was the Cimmaron which was nothing more than a Citation in drag.
I think any caddy is the equal
WILTON wrote:
Oh, I really messed it up! I meant VEGA, VEGA!
I believe the 1977 Vega had the 2.5L Iron Duke engine that was still going
strong in my 210kmi Citation. Still not as solid a car/drivetrain as a Nova though.
Most of the earlier aluminum engine Vegas did OK until the first time
It is possible the transfer pump died. We had that happen to the ~30
year one on the 200D 2.4
Did you pull off the return line from the injectors to the fitting at
the fuel filter? If not, pull that off and watch as the engine is
cranked. It should gush fuel from both sides without bubbles
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I resemble that...
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I think that the overflow tank has a pack of silicates manufactured into it.
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On Aug 19, 2011, at 20:25, relng...@aol.com wrote:
..VW also claims (or did at one time) lifetime coolant (their blue
formula, G11 or
maybe not. I am not fond of either the w123 or 124. Not really fond
of that model line, but for Gump.
clay
1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and runs and runs
1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
On Aug 19, 2011, at 6:38 PM,
Yes, not too many years ago (4?) Oreally was $65. I think that is
duralast. Stealers were around $110-115. Last couple times I priced
a battery from oreally it was around $120. If a stealer battery is
around $130, i'd probably buy that over oreally, is I was near a
decent stealership.
I
Congrats on your new purchase. You gonna use it for a front porch or
a back porch?
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relng...@aol.com writes:
That was the Cimmaron which was nothing more than a Citation in drag. When
Car and Driver printed a road test on it, they suggested that GM send out a
letter of apology with each sale.
Cavalier you mean, right?
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1983 300D
1979 300SD
Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net writes:
Allan Streib wrote:
Braking is nearly nonexistent. Pedal feels firm, but can barely stop
the car from creeping at idle.
As mentioned in other post, key shutoff doesn't work.
No vacuum, eh?
Yep. Confirmed. I put my MityVac on the brake booster and
Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com writes:
Yes, not too many years ago (4?) Oreally was $65. I think that is
duralast. Stealers were around $110-115. Last couple times I priced
a battery from oreally it was around $120. If a stealer battery is
around $130, i'd probably buy that over oreally,
In the local classifieds:
1991 Mercedes Benz 350 SDL Large sedan, 6 cyl. Diesel.
Excellent. 108,000 orig. miles. 25 mpg. Sun roof and full
luxuries. Smoke Silver. $9000. 812-824-9131
Not mine, etc.
Allan
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1979 300SD
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In the local classifieds:
1991 Mercedes Benz 350 SDL Large sedan, 6 cyl. Diesel.
Excellent. 108,000 orig. miles. 25 mpg. Sun roof and full
luxuries. Smoke Silver. $9000. 812-824-9131
Not totally out of line for an
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/2550239923.html
no interest, not mine, at least post the right picture
clay
1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and runs and runs
1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
At that price I am sure it will be a garage porch.
Hendrik
who is about to attempt to fix a dishwasher
Dieselhead wrote:
Congrats on your new purchase. You gonna use it for a front porch or
a back porch?
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