Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption

2014-04-13 Thread Dieselhead
Punch in Reid behind BLM raid on Bing, or go to: http://www.bing.com/search?q=Reid+behind+blm+raidqs=nform=QBLHpq=reid+behind+blm+raidsc=0-12sp=-1sk=cvid=015aa43f0aef4d3eacdc80b5c56220be BLM trying to sell branded cattle illegally by crossing state lines. That would land anyone else in

Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption

2014-04-13 Thread Dieselhead
Just watch 40 seconds of Lame Stream Media reporting on the end of the great standoff. One of the items reported was that several state legislatures are already submitting bills to keep exactly this sort of thing from being repeated. As reported here by another poster, some indication is given

[MBZ] Model B52 RC Flight

2014-04-13 Thread Dieselhead
From Chuck L. This is a great flying model. looks and sounds realistic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbITzCI2AU0 HI! This a few years old, but wonderful that some guys in UK could build and fly this... Enjoy! Chuck ___

Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption

2014-04-13 Thread Dieselhead
dirty harry working for the chinese: Dirty Harry/BLM are enforcing for the chinese http://akeupamericans-spree.blogspot.com/2014/04/china-solar-project-behind-bundy-ranch.html#.U0pVACj4Duc for those who don't like that source, there are plenty more. BLM even reported it on their own

Re: [MBZ] PARTS!!!!

2014-04-13 Thread Dan Penoff
That's what it looks like. I'm taking one to MB of Tampa this week to get their opinion. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 12, 2014, at 9:47 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: so the mb tech sent you indian fakes? On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 9:42 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

[MBZ] Swapping rear springs - what 's the diff?

2014-04-13 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
My 1985 300TD may have incorrect (sedan/coupe) rear springs due to a previous owner wanting to disconnect the SLS. This could have been part of the conversion to conventional suspension, using Bilstein rear shocks. After purchasing the vehicle, I swapped out the rear shocks for rear struts,

Re: [MBZ] Swapping rear springs - what 's the diff?

2014-04-13 Thread Peter Frederick
Twice the spring rate would indeed make it rather bouncy, eh? One thing to check, which is easy -- with the car parked, engine off, can you bounce the suspension by applying significant weight to the rear bumper (or by standing on the rear with the tailgate open)? If not, the SLS is not

Re: [MBZ] Swapping rear springs - what 's the diff?

2014-04-13 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
Thanks, Peter. The rear is EXCESSIVELY bouncy, using my weight on the rear bumper. It takes quite a while to settle after I bounce it up and down. Could incorrect springs be the cause of this abnormality? On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 8:49 AM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: Twice the

Re: [MBZ] Swapping rear springs - what 's the diff?

2014-04-13 Thread Peter Frederick
More likely air in the SLS -- the damping is provided by the restriction of fluid flow through the system. Does it actually self level? Load up the rear so it sags down with the engine off and see if it pumps up to level when you start. A couple adults should be enough. Again, kinked

Re: [MBZ] Andrew whine - why? W123 300TD

2014-04-13 Thread Rich Thomas
It would be hard to damage the turbo internals in an engine swap unless something got in there and buggered it. --R On 4/12/14 11:56 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I can understand, since in transplanting a drive train or engine some parts of the assembly can easily get damaged. On Sat, Apr

Re: [MBZ] Andrew whine - why? W123 300TD

2014-04-13 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
Yeah, I agree. I may just play dumb and give them the donor car's VIN... On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 9:26 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: It would be hard to damage the turbo internals in an engine swap unless something got in there and buggered it. --R On

Re: [MBZ] Andrew whine - why? W123 300TD

2014-04-13 Thread Dan Penoff
I would. Most o the engine serial numbers are pretty tough to get to. Feign ignorance. What's the worst thing that could happen? Dan On Apr 13, 2014, at 9:39 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Yeah, I agree. I may just play dumb and give them the donor car's VIN...

Re: [MBZ] Swapping rear springs - what 's the diff?

2014-04-13 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
They had to bleed the system when installing the struts so I doubt the line is kinked. What would be the effect of longer/shorter springs than spec.? On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: More likely air in the SLS -- the damping is provided by the

Re: [MBZ] Andrew doesn't ever whine - W123 300TD

2014-04-13 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
I could be blacklisted from their Roadside Assistance program... On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I would. Most o the engine serial numbers are pretty tough to get to. Feign ignorance. What's the worst thing that could happen? Dan On Apr 13, 2014, at

Re: [MBZ] Andrew doesn't ever whine - W123 300TD

2014-04-13 Thread Dan Penoff
And that's an issue? If so, buy a AAA membership. Dan On Apr 13, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I could be blacklisted from their Roadside Assistance program... On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I would. Most o the engine serial numbers

[MBZ] Oil Extraction Product Review

2014-04-13 Thread Dan Penoff
Just thought I would share my experiences with something that might be of benefit to the group: I have really wanted to get back to the top side oil change method since I got back into the MB club. I have two old Topsiders, but in one of the last moves we made the pump parts disappeared,

Re: [MBZ] Andrew doesn't ever whine - W123 300TD

2014-04-13 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
That was a joke. They only offer free RA to owners who spend at least $100 annually at the local dealership. That leaves me out... On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 9:55 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: And that's an issue? If so, buy a AAA membership. Dan On Apr 13, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Andrew

Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption

2014-04-13 Thread Larry T
Question, is Public Land and Government Owned Land the same thing? Google says the % of western land owned by the govt is 30% which, IMO, should wave red flags in front of very citizen. All of the land in this great country should belong to the citizens. Check out this map:

Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Evaporator Leaking

2014-04-13 Thread Larry T
Thanks Wilton! Sincerely, Larry On 4/12/2014 9:08 PM, WILTON wrote: I did NOT disconnect speedo cable at tranny; only loosened the clip on the steering column down low in the flootwell to give it some slack; 'had no problem then with pulling the instrument cluster out far enough to

Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Evaporator Leaking

2014-04-13 Thread Larry T
Thanks Peter -- I have watched the video of the project and think it is well within my abilities. I plan to order the parts and get the big garage organized with places to put everything. Thanks again for all your help... Sincerely, Larry On 4/12/2014 8:15 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: If you

Re: [MBZ] Swapping rear springs - what 's the diff?

2014-04-13 Thread Peter Frederick
The springs for the SLS are weaker than standard springs, so they will be too stiff if replaced with sedan springs. I don't know how much difference though. If the suspension moves properly, most likely they are too hard. Don't forget that a small leak will result in a system full of

Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption

2014-04-13 Thread Peter Frederick
Government land and public owned are the same thing. Held it trust by the Federal Government for public use. That does NOT mean you can do whatever you want with it because you are part of the public, a point that many people choose to confuse. The Interior Department sets rules for use,

Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption

2014-04-13 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
Go for it! On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Question, is Public Land and Government Owned Land the same thing? Google says the % of western land owned by the govt is 30% which, IMO, should wave red flags in front of very citizen. All of the land in

Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Evaporator Leaking

2014-04-13 Thread Peter Frederick
As I said, it's not difficult. Some contortion required, of course, as is always the case, and my friend no longer does them (this was a common job back in the day, failure rate was 15% by the factory, more like 30% in reality as most people who replace them do not use the dealer -- $3000

Re: [MBZ] Swapping rear springs - what 's the diff?

2014-04-13 Thread Max Dillon
Each spring has the part number stamped on the spring, at one end or the other. The springs would need to be removed from the car to read the part number. You may need a wire brush to remove dirt, rust, etc to be able to read the number. I like Peter's idea about air in the system. Loosen

Re: [MBZ] Swapping rear springs - what 's the diff?

2014-04-13 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
I fixed a pinhol leak last year. Reservoir is full. So if the springs are stronger than they should be, does this mean a less or more bouncy ride? Or is this irrelevant to my problem? On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: The springs for the SLS are

Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Evaporator Leaking

2014-04-13 Thread Dieselhead
Thanks Peter -- I have watched the video of the project and think it is well within my abilities. I plan to order the parts and get the big garage organized with places to put everything. Thanks again for all your help... Sincerely, Larry To me it seems like putting sets of fasteners and

[MBZ] W124 Dash Speaker

2014-04-13 Thread Dan Penoff
Anybody got one they want to get rid of. In working condition, of course. Eldest son's W124 has a wonky right front speaker. It works, but intermittently. Thanks, Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To

Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Evaporator Leaking

2014-04-13 Thread WILTON
BTW, I think the book also talks about removing the steering wheel in order to remove the instrument cluster. I was able to run the adjustable steering column fully out/extended with the wheel spoke horizontal (wheels straight ahead) to provide plenty of room for the cluster removal. The

Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Evaporator Leaking

2014-04-13 Thread WILTON
'Worked well for me; 'thought I was gonna have more baggies, though; used only 4 to 6 or so. Wilton - Original Message - From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Evaporator

Re: [MBZ] Oil Extraction Product Review

2014-04-13 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Every one of those vacuum deals I have seen says to pump it like you say, but I have always had to keep pumping it during the extraction. The one I have been using is called suck up I believe and it is no better. What I ended up doing was discovering the drain hole in the top of the tank is the

Re: [MBZ] W124 Dash Speaker

2014-04-13 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Most likely not the speaker but the wiring, amps if it has them, or the radio or fader switch if equipped Sent from my iPhone On Apr 13, 2014, at 9:37 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Anybody got one they want to get rid of. In working condition, of course. Eldest son's W124 has a

Re: [MBZ] W124 Dash Speaker

2014-04-13 Thread Dan Penoff
All aftermarket other than the wiring. Dan On Apr 13, 2014, at 11:04 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Most likely not the speaker but the wiring, amps if it has them, or the radio or fader switch if equipped Sent from my iPhone On Apr 13, 2014, at 9:37 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com

Re: [MBZ] PARTS!!!!

2014-04-13 Thread Gary Hurst
wow. that's some strange stuff it would be a lot more shocking if the dealership sold it and not some skeevy employee acting on his own On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 7:32 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: That's what it looks like. I'm taking one to MB of Tampa this week to get their opinion.

Re: [MBZ] W124 Dash Speaker

2014-04-13 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
sounds like a loose wire then. On 4/13/2014 10:10 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: All aftermarket other than the wiring. Dan On Apr 13, 2014, at 11:04 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Most likely not the speaker but the wiring, amps if it has them, or the radio or fader switch if equipped Sent from my

Re: [MBZ] PARTS!!!!

2014-04-13 Thread Dan Penoff
He's not an MB dealer employee that I know of - he's an MB certified tech, I believe. I'm a little pissed that he sold this shit, since people base decisions on what they see and read. Sort of trashes any semblance of integrity the guy had. On Apr 13, 2014, at 11:12 AM, Gary Hurst wrote:

Re: [MBZ] PARTS!!!!

2014-04-13 Thread Gary Hurst
ah, so he's just some guy selling some fake indian filters. doesn't seem like news to me in today's day and age On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 11:17 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: He's not an MB dealer employee that I know of - he's an MB certified tech, I believe. I'm a little pissed

Re: [MBZ] PARTS!!!!

2014-04-13 Thread Dan Penoff
It remains to be seen if they are fakes or knockoffs. I'll let the dealer decide that when I show one to them this week. Understand that a lot of manufacturers outsource their products. Mahle, Hengst and others manufacture filters all over the place, but just because a filter is made in

Re: [MBZ] Swapping rear springs - what 's the diff?

2014-04-13 Thread OK Don
Bouncy ride is due to a lack of damping action, not spring rate. I don't know anything about the SLS other than what I've read here, but what you are describing sounds like bad or missing shocks, not wrong springs. On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote:

Re: [MBZ] Swapping rear springs - what 's the diff?

2014-04-13 Thread David Bruckmann
Bleed the system using the bleed valve on the level controller. The air won't easily work itself out. On Apr 13, 2014, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Thanks, Peter. The rear is EXCESSIVELY bouncy, using my weight on the rear bumper. It takes quite a while to settle after I bounce it up and

Re: [MBZ] Swapping rear springs - what 's the diff?

2014-04-13 Thread David Bruckmann
Also, when you open the bleed valve the car should drop an inch or so. If after a thorough bleeding that car does NOT drop upon opening the valve, then you have a defective base pressure valve inside the level controller. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To

Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Evaporator Leaking

2014-04-13 Thread Peter Frederick
Plenty of room to lay the parts out in order helps too -- there are LOTS of parts in there Watch that you do not gouge the speakers. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change

Re: [MBZ] PARTS!!!!

2014-04-13 Thread Rich Thomas
Is his name Trent? --R On 4/13/14 11:26 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: It remains to be seen if they are fakes or knockoffs. I'll let the dealer decide that when I show one to them this week. Understand that a lot of manufacturers outsource their products. Mahle, Hengst and others manufacture

Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Evaporator Leaking

2014-04-13 Thread WILTON
'Zackly. Wilton - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Evaporator Leaking Plenty of room to lay the parts out in order helps too -- there are

Re: [MBZ] PARTS!!!!

2014-04-13 Thread WILTON
Uh oh! Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] PARTS Is his name Trent? --R On 4/13/14 11:26 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: It remains

Re: [MBZ] PARTS!!!!

2014-04-13 Thread Gary Hurst
obviously not as he received something, just not what he may have been promised. another name might fit that description better, but it eludes me at the moment my bet is dan got sold misrepresented merchandise. he is correct in saying we ought to wait for an expert opinion from his dealer On

Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Evaporator Leaking

2014-04-13 Thread Larry T
Thanks Guys! Sincerely, Larry On 4/13/2014 12:19 PM, WILTON wrote: 'Zackly. Wilton - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Evaporator Leaking

Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption

2014-04-13 Thread Dieselhead
In this case Mr. Bundy is refusing to obey the BLM restrictions on land use... Think of it as the fifth generation of Cartwrights. Ben as first generation, Adam, Hoss and Joe as second generation. Current occupants fifth and sixth generations. Now, Ben was grazing the land before

[MBZ] VERY OT OT OT OT DELETE BEFORE READING Re: (sorta) black helicopters and Gummit corruption

2014-04-13 Thread Rich Thomas
YOU WERE WARNED but since you are here http://www.michellesmirror.com/2014/04/beyond-clive-bundy-real-range-war-and.html http://waronguns.blogspot.com/2014/04/black-helicopters.html --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

[MBZ] Turbos Was: Andrew's whining

2014-04-13 Thread Dieselhead
I sent a bunch of info related to turbos, rebuilding, sources of parts and expertise to a list member offlist. Anyone here want the stuff while it is fresh? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To

Re: [MBZ] Andrew doesn't ever whine - W123 300TD

2014-04-13 Thread Dwight Giles
It used to be really free. I had them come for my 79 240D in 2004 and I was the nth owner. They did try to sell me a battery though. On Apr 13, 2014 10:05 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: That was a joke. They only offer free RA to owners who spend at least $100 annually at

[MBZ] POLITICS

2014-04-13 Thread Dan Penoff
This has gone on long enough. Politics are not an appropriate list topic as has been pointed out numerous times in the past, and of late have overshadowed nearly everything else. Take it somewhere else, folks. There will be no further warnings. Posting political topics will get you moderated.

Re: [MBZ] Turbos Was: Andrew's whining

2014-04-13 Thread Frederick Moir
Dieselhead. Please may I have a copy, too?   Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 1:11 PM Subject: [MBZ] Turbos Was: Andrew's whining I sent a bunch of info related

Re: [MBZ] POLITICS

2014-04-13 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
We could have lots of fun discussing this on banned. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 13, 2014, at 12:21 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: This has gone on long enough. Politics are not an appropriate list topic as has been pointed out numerous times in the past, and of late have

Re: [MBZ] POLITICS

2014-04-13 Thread Gary Hurst
hurrah for poos! On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: This has gone on long enough. Politics are not an appropriate list topic as has been pointed out numerous times in the past, and of late have overshadowed nearly everything else. Take it somewhere else,

Re: [MBZ] POLITICS

2014-04-13 Thread Gary Hurst
nobody wants to go to banned to listen to toad talk about the unique aroma of linberger fart and ammonia On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: We could have lots of fun discussing this on banned. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 13, 2014, at 12:21 PM, Dan

[MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS

2014-04-13 Thread Dieselhead
The gummit corruption is not a political topic. It is a matter of the constitution, and of individuals and organizations who believe they are above the law. Read your history. History is replete with examples of this. I can think of 2 or 3 major examples of this within the past 100

Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS

2014-04-13 Thread Dan Penoff
There's our first victim. This is a zero tolerance offense. I hate seem like a jerk, but this has got to stop. Period. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 13, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: The gummit corruption is not a political topic. It is a matter of the

Re: [MBZ] Andrew whine - why? W123 300TD

2014-04-13 Thread ernest breakfield
why would you give them a VIN that's different than the one they can see on the chassis? that would seem to invite questions... i'd have them check the one on the car, not the motor, especially if you don't know if either was ever part of the Campaign. cheers! e On 13/Apr/14 06:39, Andrew

Re: [MBZ] Engine whine - why? W123 300TD

2014-04-13 Thread ernest breakfield
sorry, i missed the answer to my question, so here it is in a slightly different form: have you *asked* the dealer? as an aside, i find it unlikely that any of the parts in question could have been affected with the issue you're trying to address with an engine swap. cheers! e On

Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS

2014-04-13 Thread Dwight Giles
Thank you Dan. On Apr 13, 2014 1:50 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: There's our first victim. This is a zero tolerance offense. I hate seem like a jerk, but this has got to stop. Period. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 13, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS

2014-04-13 Thread Gary Hurst
new sheriff . new day. happy times for dwight :) On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.comwrote: Thank you Dan. On Apr 13, 2014 1:50 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: There's our first victim. This is a zero tolerance offense. I hate seem like a

Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Evaporator Leaking

2014-04-13 Thread Scott Ritchey
I did most of this job on a 126 until I gave up and jury-rigged a string to hold the floor vents open during the winter. I can't comment on the 124 (although the video mage it look a little easier than the 126) but I encountered multiple types and sizes of fasteners. For the most part, I stored

Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Evaporator Leaking

2014-04-13 Thread Dan Penoff
I bought one of those magnetic parts dishes at the local HF store a while back when they had them for cheap(er). It has saved my bottom more than once since. Now if they could only make one that worked with aluminum fasteners. Dan On Apr 13, 2014, at 2:29 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote: I

Re: [MBZ] POLITICS

2014-04-13 Thread arche...@embarqmail.com
You mean we can't even post legitimate news sources about solar manufacturing plants and solar farms that will provide electricity for our electric Mercedes? For example, here's such a story from Reuters: (Reuters) - U.S. Senator Harry Reid recognized nine years ago that

Re: [MBZ] POLITICS

2014-04-13 Thread WILTON
Well, le'me see'f there's one ya haven't seen. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 1:21 PM Subject: [MBZ] POLITICS This has gone on long enough. Politics are not an

[MBZ] OT: Feel Good Video

2014-04-13 Thread Scott Ritchey
This should warm the cockles of a few hearts. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=464372510267787 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

[MBZ] Was POLITICS, now Sondy Tale

2014-04-13 Thread WILTON
Well, this is not much; not sure if ya've seen it before; if so, please pardon the redundancy. TOUGHER THAN YOU THOUGHT While I was Director of Engineering at Sondrestrom Air Base, Greenland, in 1978, I talked on the phone several times with BGen. Paulk at HQ in Co. Springs; also visited

Re: [MBZ] POLITICS

2014-04-13 Thread Dan Penoff
I don't see the relevance to the list or it's intent. If people want to push the envelope I'm going to err on the side of caution, meaning I'll mod first and ask questions second. We need to get this place back on track, and trying to find ways to skirt the issue at hand is far from

Re: [MBZ] Andrew whine - why? W123 300TD

2014-04-13 Thread Dan Penoff
True, but it's an easy out for the dealer to avoid having to do campaign or warranty work, which is about the least profitable job in the shop. Not to mention that they can get stuck with the job if the claim gets denied by MBUSA. If there is anything in the past that shows the numbers don't

Re: [MBZ] Andrew whine - why? W123 300TD

2014-04-13 Thread Dan Penoff
I would agree with this as well. If you gave them a different VIN they would immediately begin suspecting something fishy, I would think. Sent from my iPad On Apr 13, 2014, at 2:10 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: why would you give them a VIN that's different

Re: [MBZ] POLITICS

2014-04-13 Thread G Mann
Dan, I defer to your moderator wisdom. The list serves a good and valuable social function with hearty and helpful discussion about keeping our various Mercedes in operational health. We seem to have a reliable [albeit, irritating at times] parts supply and a cumulative knowledge base to draw

Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption

2014-04-13 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
It's not BLM - it's you and me - these are public lands. On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 1:05 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: In this case Mr. Bundy is refusing to obey the BLM restrictions on land use... Think of it as the fifth generation of Cartwrights. Ben as first generation,

Re: [MBZ] Andrew doesn't ever whine - W123 300TD

2014-04-13 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
I was a serial user of MBNA roadside for years before they caught on... On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.comwrote: It used to be really free. I had them come for my 79 240D in 2004 and I was the nth owner. They did try to sell me a battery though. On Apr 13,

Re: [MBZ] Turbos Was: Andrew's whining

2014-04-13 Thread Fmiser
Dieselhead wrote: I sent a bunch of info related to turbos, rebuilding, sources of parts and expertise to a list member offlist. Anyone here want the stuff while it is fresh? Sure! I like collecting info. *smiles* -- Philip ___

Re: [MBZ] POLITICS

2014-04-13 Thread Dan Penoff
Exactly. While there is no problem with off topic posts per se, just as you would do in polite company one should avoid potentially inflammatory or controversial topics. Coming from a family that was heavily invested in the political scene, it was always understood that there was a time and

Re: [MBZ] Swapping rear springs - what 's the diff?

2014-04-13 Thread Fmiser
Andrew wrote: I fixed a pinhol leak last year. Reservoir is full. So if the springs are stronger than they should be, does this mean a less or more bouncy ride? Or is this irrelevant to my problem? Probably not. What you described in a earlier post, The rear is EXCESSIVELY bouncy,

[MBZ] Tampa Tale

2014-04-13 Thread Dan Penoff
Reminds me of a recent Tampa Tale: I work with a young single lady in her mid to late 30s. She's very nice, a real geek, and far less stodgy than the rest of our coworkers. Not a looker, but a nice, plain, down to Earth person. Her Dad was literally a rocket scientist and worked for many

Re: [MBZ] Turbos Was: Andrew's whining

2014-04-13 Thread Rick Knoble
What he said. Rick Sent from my

Re: [MBZ] W124 AC Evaporator Leaking

2014-04-13 Thread arche...@embarqmail.com
The simplest solution I've found has been a piece of soft, smooth surface, insulation board and slide-out razor knives. I draw rough outlines of the areas I'm working on with a Sharpie, and then simply push the bolts and screws down into the board at the places on the drawing where they came

Re: [MBZ] POLITICS

2014-04-13 Thread arche...@embarqmail.com
On 4/13/2014 4:17 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Exactly. While there is no problem with off topic posts per se, just as you would do in polite company one should avoid potentially inflammatory or controversial topics. Coming from a family that was heavily invested in the political scene, it was

Re: [MBZ] Andrew whine - why? W123 300TD

2014-04-13 Thread OK Don
Isn't the engine s/n stamped on the block below the head at the rear of the engine (I could be thinking of the M117)? They're more likely to look for the engine s/n by cross referencing to the chassis s/n. On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 1:10 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote:

Re: [MBZ] Andrew whine - why? W123 300TD

2014-04-13 Thread Dan Penoff
My thoughts exactly. Unless there was something unusual about the engine I can't imagine them going to the trouble of trying to read the engine serial number. If it's like the M119 it's pretty much impossible to get to in frame. Dan On Apr 13, 2014, at 5:31 PM, OK Don wrote: Isn't the

Re: [MBZ] POLITICS

2014-04-13 Thread Mitch Haley
arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: There is, or was, too much XXXrated discussion on Banned IMO. There needs to be a political offshoot of the list restricted to politics. All the off topic with none of the off color? You mean bannedlite? What year was a message last posted to that list?

Re: [MBZ] POLITICS

2014-04-13 Thread arche...@embarqmail.com
The fate of many moderated lists seem to be a gradually increasing belligerence on the part of the moderator; in this case pulling back a bloody stump. Good luck, bear. (grin) Gerrywho has no trouble using the delete key in any list. I don't see the relevance to the list or it's

Re: [MBZ] POLITICS

2014-04-13 Thread arche...@embarqmail.com
arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: There is, or was, too much XXXrated discussion on Banned IMO. There needs to be a political offshoot of the list restricted to politics. All the off topic with none of the off color? You mean bannedlite? What year was a message last posted to that list?

Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS

2014-04-13 Thread Mountain Man
Dieselhead wrote: Our freedom only exists because of those willing to fight and die for it. That sounds like a nice idea to discuss at banned? Otherwise, hopefully you can explain what might seem inane and patriotic for me, please. Are we speaking about support of military industrial complex?

Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS

2014-04-13 Thread Mountain Man
Dan wrote: There's our first victim. Me too? ... tthat's what I get for not reading further in the thread.. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS

2014-04-13 Thread arche...@embarqmail.com
Seems to be a number of free spirits on this list (you and I included, Gary). Looks like the new sheriff might be busy for a while. (g) Gerry...who wonders if this list has ever been moderated before? On 4/13/2014 2:17 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: new sheriff . new day. happy times for dwight :)

Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS

2014-04-13 Thread Mountain Man
Gerry wonders: ...who wonders if this list has ever been moderated before? Kathy Kennel did moderation, perhaps? Some of the problem with OT stuff is that there are much fewer old cars that people DIY so this forum might die if not for a modicum of OT stuff. The OT stuff is like Grant pictured

Re: [MBZ] Model B52 RC Flight

2014-04-13 Thread WILTON
Well, sort of. BTW, it crashed and burned several years ago. Wilton, 5000 hours in real ones - Original Message - From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 5:01 AM Subject: [MBZ] Model B52 RC Flight From Chuck L. This is a great

Re: [MBZ] Andrew whine - why? W123 300TD

2014-04-13 Thread Max Dillon
I think that Andrew's concern is that the dealer will run the VIN, and the VIN will show that the campaign-covered work was already performed, and then Andrew will have some 'splanin to do... If I wanted to keep a relationship with that dealer, I wouldn't want to have to do any 'splanin... --

Re: [MBZ] POLITICS

2014-04-13 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Yes banned lite, been years since a post was made Sent from my iPhone On Apr 13, 2014, at 4:48 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: There is, or was, too much XXXrated discussion on Banned IMO. There needs to be a political offshoot of the list

Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS

2014-04-13 Thread arche...@embarqmail.com
On 4/13/2014 6:31 PM, Mountain Man wrote: Gerry wonders: ...who wonders if this list has ever been moderated before? Kathy Kennel did moderation, perhaps? Some of the problem with OT stuff is that there are much fewer old cars that people DIY so this forum might die if not for a modicum of OT

Re: [MBZ] POLITICS

2014-04-13 Thread Allan Streib
Banned (from what I've heard) is not everyone's cup of tea as an alternative for off-topic subjects. Other attempts in the past to spin off sub-interest lists did not meet with much success (what about the linux list? the diesel tech list? any activity there these days?) Other constraints on my

Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS

2014-04-13 Thread Gary Hurst
i contend that no one ever need to concerned about me as long as the mob is kept under control, that i fire only when fired upon. the sheriff can expect nothing other than my full support in forging this outlaw town into a place where decent people can settle and raise their families in peace

Re: [MBZ] POLITICS

2014-04-13 Thread Gary Hurst
this is a good point . nearly all of banned is smut. either banned needs to be toned down to the border of PG13 and R or a new list would be in order On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: There is, or was, too much XXXrated

Re: [MBZ] Engine whine - why? W123 300TD

2014-04-13 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
Happily, there is a dealer open house next weekend. Every Club member gets time with a tech to go over their cars on a lift. Great opportunity to ask questions. On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 2:12 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: sorry, i missed the answer to my

Re: [MBZ] OT: Feel Good Video

2014-04-13 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
I get a plug in failure - requires Adobe Flash upgrade that will not install on my Macbook Pro. On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: This should warm the cockles of a few hearts. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=464372510267787

Re: [MBZ] Gummit corruption Wuz: POLITICS

2014-04-13 Thread Dan Penoff
Uhhh, no Chuck Connors, please. I apologize if I came on too strong, as it was not my intent. I was more concerned with those who might attempt to push the envelope, hence my desire to draw a virtual line in the sand. There are those who would continue to beat the proverbial dead horse, if

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