Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration

2015-12-13 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
automatic shotgun with a pistol grip, but several on the list said there would be too much kick. I disagree. The arm can absorb a lot of recoil, if you hold it right. (Not with your elbow locked.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list

Re: [MBZ] cops and vid games wuz: 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration

2015-12-13 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I suspect the moose was surprised when a .477-450 500 grain chunk of lead came in one ear canal and bounced around in the cranium... -Curt From: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Sunday,

Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration

2015-12-13 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Our state was shotgun only, but banned 410. Had to be 20, 16 or 12. Since they allowed BP rifles, I'd use a BP rifle if i wanted to go deer hunting again, and had funds for a BP Rifle. Way more accurate than a 12 ga slug. Wha? Dad has a British Enfield that had been converted from .303 to

Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration

2015-12-13 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
That'd be the 600 JR. What I had. Btw, the WIn AA was originally a trap load. (back in my day) generally 1 1/8 of 7 1/2 Dad and I have Mec presses in 12, 16, 20 and .410. Its annoying to have to change the dies, best to just have more presses. I can't remember the model but "Junior"

Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration

2015-12-13 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Yup, that sounds right. I shot a lot of Win AAs. They were prime shells for reloading. I don't think we ever got 20 reloads out of one, 6 or 7 was more like it. -Curt From: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List

Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration

2015-12-13 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
automatic shotgun with a pistol grip, but several on the list said there would be too much kick. I disagree. The arm can absorb a lot of recoil, if you hold it right. (Not with your elbow locked.) -- Jim The one sound that tends to stop evildoers is the sound a a shell being chambered in

Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration

2015-12-13 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
A semi-automatic shotgun doesn't kick much, I don't think a pistol grip would be bad. Military weapons training for me included learning to shoot a pump shotgun (more kick than a semi-auto) from the hip, so the stock did very little to help absorb the kick. Give me the choice, I'd also take

Re: [MBZ] Power windows circuit W124

2015-12-13 Thread Fred Moir via Mercedes
Dan. Thanks for the update. Fred Fred Moir. Lynn MA. Diesel preferred. From: Mercedes on behalf of Dan Penoff via Mercedes Sent: 13 December 2015 13:51 To: Mercedes List Cc: Dan Penoff Subject: Re:

Re: [MBZ] Power windows circuit W124

2015-12-13 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Sorry I didn’t see it sooner. Just did a major migration between computers and I’m just now back to 100%. For some bizarre reason I could’t get my mail credentials to work on the new machine, even though they were correct. Thank goodness for keychains… Dan > On Dec 13, 2015, at 10:02 AM,

Re: [MBZ] OT - Binoculars

2015-12-13 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
This looks like a good place to start: http://www.outdoorgearlab.com/Best-Binoculars The Bushnell H2O you mentioned is one of their picks. Eye relief is good to have, and there is usually precious little with the cheaper optics. Boaters used to swear by a $600 set of Fujinons with great eye

Re: [MBZ] 85 300 Turbo Diesel for sale - Parts

2015-12-13 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> On December 12, 2015 at 8:30 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Looks like a great candidate for a Benzamino! Cut out the body damage, > fashion a rear cargo bed, affix tonneau cover, ignore jealous looks from ?

Re: [MBZ] OT - Binoculars

2015-12-13 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
I was looking at these: http://smile.amazon.com/Bushnell-Waterproof-Fogproof-Prism-Binocular/dp/B006U0Z3BA/ref=cm_wl_huc_item Dan looks like a good value. If you can find some at a brick and mortar store, have him try them out in store. If he can hold the 10x without too much shaking,

Re: [MBZ] OT - Binoculars

2015-12-13 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Youngest son wants to bird watch. I would like to get him a reasonably decent pair of binoculars without breaking the bank. Since this august group has such a diverse range of experience, I was wondering if anyone here had experience with such and would be willing to share. Thank you, Dan

Re: [MBZ] 300SDL radiators

2015-12-13 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
Must still be a decent demand for radiators for cars nearly 30 years old. I still think the W126 is about the best car Benz ever made, especially the diesel. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To

Re: [MBZ] 300SDL radiators

2015-12-13 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
Yep; 'was greatly disappointed when my '91 350SDL crapped out - the best driving, best riding car I've seen. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Peter Frederick via Mercedes" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Cc: "Peter Frederick"

[MBZ] Growin up farmer #1

2015-12-13 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Hum... This was queued Nov 2 but never went out. My experiences were similar. I grew up on the family farm. The main income was from the orchard, which was started in the late 1830s. When I was a kid there were 20 orchards within 20 miles, and many more "truck farms" One Acadian family

Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration

2015-12-13 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Having shot both semiauto and non-semiauto shotguns, I would say that the recoil on a semiauto is significantly less. First shotgun I ever shot was a Winchester double barrel. Had a bruise on my shoulder after 50 rounds of trap. Ouch. After I used a semiauto I was amazed at the difference.

Re: [MBZ] OT - Binoculars

2015-12-13 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I was looking at these: http://smile.amazon.com/Bushnell-Waterproof-Fogproof-Prism-Binocular/dp/B006U0Z3BA/ref=cm_wl_huc_item Dan > On Dec 13, 2015, at 9:25 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > Youngest son wants to bird watch. I would like to get him a

Re: [MBZ] Growin up farmer #1

2015-12-13 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
ATTABOYS! Good trainin'! Wilton - Original Message - From: "Curly McLain via Mercedes" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Cc: "Curly McLain" <126die...@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 10:14 AM Subject: [MBZ] Growin up farmer #1

[MBZ] OT - Binoculars

2015-12-13 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Youngest son wants to bird watch. I would like to get him a reasonably decent pair of binoculars without breaking the bank. Since this august group has such a diverse range of experience, I was wondering if anyone here had experience with such and would be willing to share. Thank you, Dan

Re: [MBZ] Power windows circuit W124

2015-12-13 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Just to clarify, please send a separate email to me if you get a “hold for approval” notice, please.I’ve been migrating a computer for the last couple of days, so my attention has been elsewhere….Dan listmomOn Dec 9, 2015, at 7:55 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:List Mom

Re: [MBZ] Power windows circuit W124

2015-12-13 Thread Fred Moir via Mercedes
Dan. Thank you for all that you do for "us". Had I any brains, the diagram would have been put up in Picassa and a link put into the email. Too soon old and too late smart. Fred. From: Mercedes on behalf of Dan Penoff via

[MBZ] 300SDL radiators

2015-12-13 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
http://wizardcooling.com/1986-87-mercedes-300-sdl-aluminum-radiator/ Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] Here's Your Chance, Wilton!

2015-12-13 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
Mighty tempting. Wilt - Original Message - From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" To: "Mercedes List" Cc: "Dan Penoff" Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2015 1:34 PM Subject: [MBZ] Here's Your Chance, Wilton! Somewhere close to

Re: [MBZ] 300 SEL

2015-12-13 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
The W126 380SEL or 300SEL is one of my bucket list cars. Just came across a really nice one in of all places, Amarillo, TX. Too far to go, and December is rarely a good time to be buying big ticket items… Dan > On Dec 13, 2015, at 3:11 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes >

Re: [MBZ] OT - Binoculars

2015-12-13 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Steiner is excellent with a lifetime warranty. On Dec 13, 2015 11:02 AM, "Mitch Haley via Mercedes" wrote: > This looks like a good place to start: > http://www.outdoorgearlab.com/Best-Binoculars > > The Bushnell H2O you mentioned is one of their picks. > > Eye relief is

[MBZ] Here's Your Chance, Wilton!

2015-12-13 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Somewhere close to me: http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5358263548.html Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery

Re: [MBZ] Here's Your Chance, Wilton!

2015-12-13 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Funny how they always manage to get the right and rear seats in their entirety, but always cut the left edge of the left front seat out of the pictures. Mitch. > http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5358263548.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list

Re: [MBZ] 85 300 Turbo Diesel for sale - Parts

2015-12-13 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> Ronald wrote: > > All, I am selling my black sedan. Good rims and other > parts. Too bad it's so far away... *sigh* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] Chip Lamb

2015-12-13 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Curly wrote: > Some of you will remember former list member Chip Lamb... Good for Chip, and thanks for the Chip write-up. That adds to my agreement with Trump. If I have a problem, I seek efforts to stem the problem. USA does not allow identification of problem nor implementation of plans to

Re: [MBZ] Here's Your Chance, Wilton!

2015-12-13 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Yep Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 13, 2015, at 12:57 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes > wrote: > > Funny how they always manage to get the right and rear seats in their > entirety, > but always cut the left edge of the left front seat out of the pictures. > > Mitch. > >>

Re: [MBZ] OT - Binoculars

2015-12-13 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
DBT steered me to Nikon for star-gazing a decade ago. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration

2015-12-13 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Gerry wrote: ...back in the days of more personal freedom... Probably also back in the day when there was personal responsibility. mao And fewer lawyers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe

[MBZ] 300 SEL

2015-12-13 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes
The local Crystal River, Florida indy shop has changed ownership. There are only 4 cars apparently for sale, but their are no price/description signs in the windows. One car is a 300 SEL that appears to most likely be a 1980s model. If anyone is interested, I can stop during the day and check

Re: [MBZ] 300SDL radiators

2015-12-13 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
If you can't get one otherwise and this one is all metal seems like a decent deal to me Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 13, 2015, at 2:40 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes > wrote: > > When we were looking, none of them had any in stock, and the aluminum one was > not

Re: [MBZ] 300SDL radiators

2015-12-13 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Is that for a 126? I looked at their site earlier and did not see radiator listed in the menus Sent from my iPhone On Dec 13, 2015, at 1:06 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: >> http://wizardcooling.com/1986-87-mercedes-300-sdl-aluminum-radiator/ >> >> Sent from my

Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration

2015-12-13 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Curly wrote: > The one sound that tends to stop evildoers is the sound a a shell being > chambered in a twelve ga pump. Either that or the sound of a round being chambered in .45 ACP, according to Peter Boyles a Denver talk radio host 30 years ago. He and Alan Berg were friends

Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration

2015-12-13 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
On shotguns: if concealability isn't a factor, then sawed-off may be illegal and offers no advantage. IME a pump is nearly as fast as an autoloader and is more reliable. Recoil is well-managed with a decent stock firmly held to the shoulder. A shotgun with a full stock can be fired at hip level

Re: [MBZ] 300SDL radiators

2015-12-13 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
http://wizardcooling.com/1986-87-mercedes-300-sdl-aluminum-radiator/ Sent from my iPhone Looks BETTER than now. No plastik For UNDER $700:

Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration

2015-12-13 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Gerry wrote: > ...back in the days of more personal freedom... Probably also back in the day when there was personal responsibility. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery

Re: [MBZ] 300SDL radiators

2015-12-13 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
When we were looking, none of them had any in stock, and the aluminum one was not around yet. Found any number of on-line catalog listings, but every single one came up "out of stock" if you tried to buy one. Happily that seems not to be the case now, even if $700 for a rad seems a bit

Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration

2015-12-13 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
50 rounds of trap would leave you beaten to a pulp. I think you mean 2 rounds or 50 shots. If you're hurt from an over/under:1. The gun isn't heavy enough2. The loads are overkill, you don't need 3" shells for trap, "trap load" is a light load with 1oz or 1 1/8"oz of shot.3. You're not holding

Re: [MBZ] 300 SEL

2015-12-13 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
You are one strange dude. The 380 is probably the least desirable 126 followed by the 300sel/se Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 13, 2015, at 4:33 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > This is the car in Amarillo: > >

Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration

2015-12-13 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
I always wanted to carry the 410 with slugs for deer hunting, but the state sed no. I know I'd have done better with it, and I'd a not shot unless I knew it would drop it. the 410 had rifle sights and a flatter trajectory than a 12. Not a lot different in ft lb than a 30 30. THe state

Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration

2015-12-13 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Assuming its this stuff: http://www.basspro.com/Winchester-AA-Supersport-Sporting-Clay-Target-Load-Shotshells/product/67821/or similar I see your problem, 3 1/4 dram equivalent is heavy. The dram was a measure of black powder back in the olden days.Save some money, go to Wal-Mart and get

Re: [MBZ] cops and vid games wuz: 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration

2015-12-13 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
I think you mean melanin. Melatonin is the thing that makes you sleepy. My cousins have shot 6 or 7 moose with a total of 80 or 90 shots. Dad and I have shot 2 with a total of 2 shots. The mistake most people make with a moose is to shoot center mass so they just blow holes through the guts.

[MBZ] Wire/component ID

2015-12-13 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
I found a photo of the wire I'm trying to identify. if you go to http://www.w124performance.com/service/w124CD1/Program/ETM/ETM.pdf then navigate to 240 on the printed page, (page 245 of the pdf) figure 3 shows the srs module in the center. to the Right above that is a 2 piece round plug

Re: [MBZ] 300 SEL

2015-12-13 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
This is the car in Amarillo: http://s4.photobucket.com/user/RafterE/media/Benz/IMG_0541_zps14c913ac.jpg.html Dan > On Dec 13, 2015, at 3:55 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > The W126 380SEL or 300SEL is one of my bucket list cars. Just came across a > really

Re: [MBZ] 300 SEL

2015-12-13 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I like the W126 long wheelbase chassis. My first choice would be the 300SEL, as I would rather sacrifice performance for accessibility and ease of maintenance. The 380SEL is not my first choice, but for $2000, this looks like a pretty nice car. Just not sure I want to make a road trip home

Re: [MBZ] 300 SEL

2015-12-13 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
That 380 is 2k? If it's legit it looks like it is worth messing with. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 13, 2015, at 5:00 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > I like the W126 long wheelbase chassis. My first choice would be the 300SEL, > as I would rather sacrifice

Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration

2015-12-13 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Rats, I'd thought the 870 was, couldn't remember the 1200. Ahh, I was thinking of the 1100, a classic semi auto... Somebody mentioned a pump gun being nearly as fast as a semi-auto. I remember a guy we used to shoot trap with that was so fast on the pump that the shells couldn't move quickly

Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration

2015-12-13 Thread clay via Mercedes
he lives with a bunch of gun nuts with a large vault loaded with all manner of ammo and long guns as well as hand cannon. He gets a chub from the 1911. The options for hand gun are plenty. I figure he will figure it out one way or other. I pointed him at something in the .4x range. May

Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration

2015-12-13 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> On December 13, 2015 at 5:40 PM Curly McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > > > For that the original 1911 is hard to beat. How original do you want to be? Some of the upgrades in the last 100 years are kind of necessary, like better sights, the ability to feed hollow

[MBZ] cops and vid games wuz: 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration

2015-12-13 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
one detriment (of many) of video games is that they taught kids that shots don't matter, more is better. There is no cost, and no unintended damage in video shoot-em-up games.I grew up before Pong. (B.P.) We watched Dan'l Boone on TV. I hunted with a single shot. I could reload

Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration

2015-12-13 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
Many people are misinformed about the shot spread of a shotgun. At "social" distances (say 15 ft.) the pattern is only a few inches in diameter so you pretty-much need to aim just like a rifle. A .410 (or even 20 gauge) shell won't hold much large shot and such shells are hard to find. It's

Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration

2015-12-13 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
410 are crazy expensive now. Back when I was in HS they were $5 when 12 was $2.50 a box. Now they are more than 2x. 20 is about the same as 410 and 16 is probably worse. 20 is nice for trap, but 12 is so much cheaper over the long haul. Another reason to make each shot count. 12 has a lot

Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration

2015-12-13 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
The idea was to use the thing as a hallway sweeper inside the house. A load of #8s would run of two legged varmints pretty good, as you say the pellets would be pretty well still together but wouldn't have much energy left after they went through a wall. .410 is much less intimidating for a

Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration

2015-12-13 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
20ga is no good for trap, its 12ga or nothing. Nobody shoots trap competitively with a 20ga, or I've never seen anybody that could keep up and I saw a lot of people try. -Curt From: Curly McLain via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List

[MBZ] OT: A kinda interesting job

2015-12-13 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Thought you guys might be interested in how I spent my afternoon.Our dog walker has failing knees and has gotten permission from the state to use a side by side ATV (in this case a Polaris RZR) to walk the dogs in our local state park. She had a guy build a frame on the back of the ATV to hook

Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration

2015-12-13 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Sawed off is awful illegal. One of the manufacturers had a .410 shotgun with a short barrel and pistol grip for home protection. Loaded with buckshot it'd be quite the fixer. Wouldn't require much accuracy, point and shoot... -Curt From: archer75--- via Mercedes

Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration

2015-12-13 Thread clay via Mercedes
Class II out of North Dakota. He would need class I to get reciprocity. He would need to test every five years for class I. WA is must issue, so he can pick it up when he comes for the holidays clay On Dec 12, 2015, at 10:47 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote: > Is he in WA? Where

Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration

2015-12-13 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
For that the original 1911 is hard to beat. he lives with a bunch of gun nuts with a large vault loaded with all manner of ammo and long guns as well as hand cannon. He gets a chub from the 1911. The options for hand gun are plenty. I figure he will figure it out one way or other. I

Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration

2015-12-13 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes
Many thanks to Jim, Max, Dan, Curly, and Mao for their suggestions. Found new rules on short shotguns today as well as factory made guns. According to federal rules, a factory made shotgun with a hand stock, smooth barrel, and a total length of no more than 26" is considered an AOW (any other

Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration

2015-12-13 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
If he needs bear medicine he wants a .44 Mag in a handgun. If I expected to encounter aggressive bears I would prefer a lever action rifle in .45-70. What I would want would be near maximum loaded semi-wadcutter bullets (SWC) of hard-alloy (Lyman #2 alloy is fine) cast lead in the .44. I heat

Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration

2015-12-13 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Correct. However, it was a single barrel Winchester, not a double as I originally misstated. Two boxes of shells apiece (25 rounds each box.) And I was beaten to a pulp. It had a standard wood stock and no pad on it. Ouch. I have neve been hurt by an O/U, or anything since, as after the

Re: [MBZ] 300 SEL

2015-12-13 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
That 380 is 2k? If it's legit it looks like it is worth messing with. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 13, 2015, at 5:00 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I like the W126 long wheelbase chassis. My first choice would be the 300SEL, as I would rather sacrifice

Re: [MBZ] cops and vid games wuz: 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration

2015-12-13 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I think you mean melanin. Melatonin is the thing that makes you sleepy. My cousins have shot 6 or 7 moose with a total of 80 or 90 shots. Dad and I have shot 2 with a total of 2 shots. The mistake most people make with a moose is to shoot center mass so they just blow holes through the guts. My

Re: [MBZ] cops and vid games wuz: 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration

2015-12-13 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
The FBI released a study about carry weapons and caliber that concluded since only 10% of shots would likely ever hit anything it made sense to carry a 9mm since you could carry a lot more ammo. Back years ago I used to regularly shoot on the range with the police and as a HS student embarrass

Re: [MBZ] Here's Your Chance, Wilton!

2015-12-13 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
And it's only a dollar! --R On 12/13/15 1:34 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Somewhere close to me: http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5358263548.html Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search

Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration

2015-12-13 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I recently inherited a Ruger Blackhawk .44 mag. 10" barrel I think, a massive cannon. Haven't shot it yet though... -Curt From: archer75--- via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: "arche...@embarqmail.com"

Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration

2015-12-13 Thread clay via Mercedes
The gun nuts he lives with have a few examples of the Desert Eagle in various calibers. I think he really loved the .50 AE. After one clip he could not shoot anymore. Watched the bullet stroll toward targets. clay On Dec 12, 2015, at 10:14 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote: > The biggest

Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration

2015-12-13 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
50 rounds of trap would leave you beaten to a pulp. I think you mean 2 rounds or 50 shots. If you're hurt from an over/under:1. The gun isn't heavy enough2. The loads are overkill, you don't need 3" shells for trap, "trap load" is a light load with 1oz or 1 1/8"oz of shot.3. You're not holding

Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration

2015-12-13 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Correct. However, it was a single barrel Winchester, not a double as I originally misstated. Two boxes of shells apiece (25 rounds each box.) And I was beaten to a pulp. It had a standard wood stock and no pad on it. Ouch. I have neve been hurt by an O/U, or anything since, as after the

Re: [MBZ] cops and vid games wuz: 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration

2015-12-13 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
It now comes out that the cop that discharged 16 rounds at the juvenile troublemaker actually missed 14 times at near point blank range. Based on that demonstrated skill level, it now appears there is possible good cause to plead it was an accidental shooting and a "gun malfunction" that caused

Re: [MBZ] cops and vid games wuz: 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration

2015-12-13 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> On December 13, 2015 at 6:23 PM Curly McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > > I hear about these cops emptying a 16 shot pistol into some poor slob > and shake my head. My favorite gun handling jokes are "NYPD" and "LAPD", but in the latter I include just about every

Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration

2015-12-13 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Assuming its this stuff:  http://www.basspro.com/Winchester-AA-Supersport-Sporting-Clay-Target-Load-Shotshells/product/67821/or similar I see your problem, 3 1/4 dram equivalent is heavy. The dram was a measure of black powder back in the olden days.Save some money, go to Wal-Mart and get

Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration

2015-12-13 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Same here - the 20 was great (Win model 50). I wasn't bad with the 410 either, but it was a single shot. The Marlin goose gun, 36" 12 ga, 3" mag chamber was no fun to shoot, even with the rubber pad. On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 7:38 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >

Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration

2015-12-13 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Thats how southern Maine works for BP rifles too. I need to check around here. I've got a CVA Buckhorn BP rifle (black powder for those following along at home) which is a super gun for under $100. Uses a 209 primer, 777 pellets and a saboted .45 caliber bullet (its nominally .50 cal). Easy and

Re: [MBZ] cops and vid games wuz: 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration

2015-12-13 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Dad has always specialized in military rifles from the end of the Civil War until just before WWI which isn't to say he doesn't have others. Day after Thanksgiving he got a Remington high wall rolling in 44-40, semi octagonal barrel, very cool old rifle with a weird set trigger. It didn't work

[MBZ] Cheap BioD?

2015-12-13 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
I see usda lists choice white (CWG) at 16¢/lb and yellow grease (YG) (used fry oil) is unquoted. Basically, YG is to the point where it costs more to pick up than what it is worth. That probably creates an opportunity for backyard BioD. Of course with Diesel down to $2 with road taxes,

Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration

2015-12-13 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Wha? Dad has a British Enfield that had been converted from .303 to .410 for police duty in India. Works a treat as a deer gun in southern Maine where most places are shotgun only. Gets you stopped by the possum cops occasionally and its a bit heavy to carry.I never did shoot a deer with it but

Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration

2015-12-13 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Dad and I have Mec presses in 12, 16, 20 and .410. Its annoying to have to change the dies, best to just have more presses. I can't remember the model but "Junior" seems to come up in my mind. I've got a Lee Loader (plastic Mec copy) in .410. Theres not much money savings in loading your own

Re: [MBZ] cops and vid games wuz: 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration

2015-12-13 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
I suspect the moose was surprised when a .477-450 500 grain chunk of lead came in one ear canal and bounced around in the cranium... -Curt .477-450/500? What kind of elephant cannon is that? Gotta be pretty close to the .50 military. I doubt if the critter felt a thing or had time to be

Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration

2015-12-13 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I've only shot .44 mag in a pistol once before and that was a Thompson Contender single shot. It about blew my hand off. I think dad and I shot half a box and called it good enough. I had a .357 barrel for that gun and with hand loads it was super fun. Dad has dies for the .44 mag so I could

Re: [MBZ] Cheap BioD?

2015-12-13 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
From my own personal experience, I can tell you that YG is not a good base material source to make BioDiesel. In 2007 I designed, built, certified, and put into production a BioDiesel plant capable of 20,000,000 gallons per month. Prior to selling it to the investors [who refused to follow the

Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration

2015-12-13 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
20ga is no good for trap, its 12ga or nothing. Nobody shoots trap competitively with a 20ga, or I've never seen anybody that could keep up and I saw a lot of people try. -Curt I don't remember my score changing much with the 20. Since I didn't have dies and wads were crazy expensive, i had

Re: [MBZ] 230SL and OT 2nd Amendment celebration

2015-12-13 Thread Russ Williams via Mercedes
I've had one for 20+ years. Used it for Silhouette Comp shooting. It's built like the proverbial Brick Outhouse. Great weapon unlike the S .44 mag the Ruger Rolls in your hand instead pushing straight back. I've put up to 1000 rounds thru it in a comp. in one day and had no soreness in my hand

Re: [MBZ] Chip Lamb

2015-12-13 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Billy Bob Thornton? On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Curly wrote: > > Some of you will remember former list member Chip Lamb... > > Good for Chip, and thanks for the Chip write-up. That adds to my > agreement with Trump. > If I have a

Re: [MBZ] Here's Your Chance, Wilton!

2015-12-13 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Antenna also doesn't retract. I would be very careful with this one...l. On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 5:29 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > And it's only a dollar! > > --R > > > On 12/13/15 1:34 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: > >> Somewhere close to me: >> >>

[MBZ] yellow grease price

2015-12-13 Thread Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes
Folks yellow grease HAS a current price …. friday in the midwest it was about 18.5 cents a lb (about $1.41/gallon) a year ago it was about 27 cents a lb I was talking to someone about buying 1100 gallons from me at $1/gal just to scare up some cash thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins