[MBZ] B2 former car?

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Re: [MBZ] B2 photobomber in Google Satellite View

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Makes sense, just north of Whiteman AFB. Spent some time there doing stuff with 
the B-2 boys and girls. Interestingly, I saw more women on perimeter security 
there than at any other Air Force base I ever visited. Not sure why, just 
seemed interesting.

-D

> On Dec 22, 2021, at 7:38 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes  
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> The effective shutter speed on these satellites is impressive.
> 
> https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/22018/Screenshot__85__png-2211364.JPG
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> https://www.google.com/maps/place/39%C2%B001'18.5%22N+93%C2%B035'40.5%22W/@39.0215401,-93.5948951,183m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0xd87af7588b9c362e!8m2!3d39.0218056!4d-93.5945833?hl=en-US
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[MBZ] B2 photobomber in Google Satellite View

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

The effective shutter speed on these satellites is impressive.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/22018/Screenshot__85__png-2211364.JPG

https://www.google.com/maps/place/39%C2%B001'18.5%22N+93%C2%B035'40.5%22W/@39.0215401,-93.5948951,183m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0xd87af7588b9c362e!8m2!3d39.0218056!4d-93.5945833?hl=en-US

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Re: [MBZ] B2 piston

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

true!  At least I could determine if it is metal or prastic.

MG via Mercedes wrote on 9/4/19 2:52 PM:
 You could take it out and see what condition it is in and if it looks 
good then put it back in and go.


MG




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Re: [MBZ] B2 piston

[MG via Mercedes]

 You could take it out and see what condition it 
is in and if it looks good then put it back in and go.


MG

Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
MB sez there are 3 B2 piston kits in the US, all in CA.They want 
$160, but it can be bought through Tampa's website for $111. plus 
shipping, do probably $130-$125.


I'm inclined not to buy one now, but put the trans in and see how it 
works.   I understand the B2 can be replaced in the car.  I'd hate to be 
stranded because of the b2 failing, but its kinda pricey.


What would you do? spend the $$$ now, or wait?

Car is a $500 car if running. (except it does have a $1500 engine in it.)

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Re: [MBZ] B2 piston

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

If you might need the car to evacuate from a hurricane or EMP event, get
the kit and get'r done.

Much easier to do now with the transmission out of the car, you can be sure
of cleanliness and fit etc.
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Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] B2 piston

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

If I was pretty sure it was going to be needed, I would do it now. 
Much easier than trying to do it in the car.


Randy

That's just it.   I've never had one fail.  The car does not get a lot 
of miles, and won't be going far.  I thought the B2 kit was $50 or 60.


So now I am questioning the value of changing it preemptively.

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Re: [MBZ] B2 piston

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 04/09/2019 11:28 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
MB sez there are 3 B2 piston kits in the US, all in CA.    They want 
$160, but it can be bought through Tampa's website for $111. plus 
shipping, do probably $130-$125.


I'm inclined not to buy one now, but put the trans in and see how it 
works.   I understand the B2 can be replaced in the car.  I'd hate to 
be stranded because of the b2 failing, but its kinda pricey.


What would you do? spend the $$$ now, or wait?

Car is a $500 car if running. (except it does have a $1500 engine in it.)

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If I was pretty sure it was going to be needed, I would do it now. Much 
easier than trying to do it in the car.


Randy


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[MBZ] B2 piston

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

MB sez there are 3 B2 piston kits in the US, all in CA.    They want 
$160, but it can be bought through Tampa's website for $111. plus 
shipping, do probably $130-$125.


I'm inclined not to buy one now, but put the trans in and see how it 
works.   I understand the B2 can be replaced in the car.  I'd hate to be 
stranded because of the b2 failing, but its kinda pricey.


What would you do? spend the $$$ now, or wait?

Car is a $500 car if running. (except it does have a $1500 engine in it.)

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Re: [MBZ] B2

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Hominy did shoulda seen that in 1979 had jimmay cahtah had one ball

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Re: [MBZ] B2

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Ayatollah Hominy would need a new set of trousers if he saw that thing

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On 7/16/15 1:58 AM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:

WILTON wrote:

It's supposedly so stealthy, I surprised you saw it.   ;<)

Heh.  I was using ears and eyes - not radar.  And since I
could recognize the silhouette it wasn't nearly as high as it
could be.  Bright blue sky with a black zig-zag on it.

I probably was only able to see it because they weren't
trying to hide. *smiles*


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Re: [MBZ] B2

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

I probably was only able to see it because they weren't
trying to hide. *smiles*



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Re: [MBZ] B2

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> WILTON wrote:
> 
> It's supposedly so stealthy, I surprised you saw it.   ;<)

Heh.  I was using ears and eyes - not radar.  And since I
could recognize the silhouette it wasn't nearly as high as it
could be.  Bright blue sky with a black zig-zag on it.  

I probably was only able to see it because they weren't
trying to hide. *smiles*


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Re: [MBZ] B2

[WILTON via Mercedes]

It's supposedly so stealthy, I surprised you saw it.   ;<)

Wilton

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Subject: [MBZ] B2



Saw a B2 fly over today.  The bomber, not the transmission piston.

Kinda high (but not as high as a B2 can fly, I'm sure),
noisy.  It sure is a odd looking bird...

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[MBZ] B2

[fmiser via Mercedes]

Saw a B2 fly over today.  The bomber, not the transmission piston.

Kinda high (but not as high as a B2 can fly, I'm sure),
noisy.  It sure is a odd looking bird...

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Re: [MBZ] B2 piston seal/pinched from the Hilter list today

[Tim C]

On Sep 25, 2012 8:09 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin"  wrote:
>
> thats great and dandy but the vehicle in these photos does not have a
broken b2

Right, his complaint was a leaking seal.  I think the process is the same,
right?

Best,
Tim

>
> On 9/25/2012 6:14 PM, Dieselhead wrote:
>>
>> Looks like its from whazizface Bergstra @ dieselgiant   Good article.
I'd like to see a video clip of the pushrod engaged and moving the brake
band properly.   That is one job I have not done yet.  But 240D needs that
and K1 spring done unless I breakdown and convert it to a real
transmission.  If the blasted pedals were not so hard to install, I'd just
do the swap. The rest of it is straightforward.
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Re: [MBZ] B2 piston seal/pinched from the Hilter list today

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

thats great and dandy but the vehicle in these photos does not 
have a broken b2 pistion

On 9/25/2012 6:14 PM, Dieselhead wrote:
Looks like its from whazizface Bergstra @ dieselgiant   Good 
article. I'd like to see a video clip of the pushrod engaged and 
moving the brake band properly.   That is one job I have not 
done yet.  But 240D needs that and K1 spring done unless I 
breakdown and convert it to a real transmission.  If the blasted 
pedals were not so hard to install, I'd just do the swap. The 
rest of it is straightforward.


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Re: [MBZ] B2 piston seal/pinched from the Hilter list today

[Dieselhead]

Looks like its from whazizface Bergstra @ dieselgiant   Good article. 
I'd like to see a video clip of the pushrod engaged and moving the 
brake band properly.   That is one job I have not done yet.  But 240D 
needs that and K1 spring done unless I breakdown and convert it to a 
real transmission.  If the blasted pedals were not so hard to 
install, I'd just do the swap.  The rest of it is straightforward.


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[MBZ] B2 piston seal/pinched from the Hilter list today

[RELNGSON]

I've been reading about the accursed B2 piston for years and found this 
series of photos very interesting. My trans has no B2 piston (hopefully) but 
never the less...

http://dieselgiant.com/Mercedesb2pistonsealreplacementl.htm

RLE
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Re: [MBZ] B2 band?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

no

Redghost wrote:

Car does not want to shift into reverse.  That is a B2 band thing?

Looking at a 95 s500

clay


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Re: [MBZ] B2 band?

[Thomas Savage]

Redghost wrote:

Car does not want to shift into reverse.  That is a B2 band thing?

Looking at a 95 s500


B2 failure results in reverse only and no forward motion.  Run, don't 
walk, from a sick 140.  You really don't want to attempt the Gump bit on 
a CAN-bus car.


Tom

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[MBZ] B2 band?

[Redghost]

Car does not want to shift into reverse.  That is a B2 band thing?

Looking at a 95 s500

clay


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Re: [MBZ] B2 piston question

[Allan Streib]

Call Rusty.  I did the B2 on my '83 300D and ordered a "kit" which had
all the parts, but I'd bet he could tell you the part number of that
seal and probably send it to you as well assuming it is available
separately from the kit.

Allan
-- 
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1966 230

"Chris Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Ok, so here is the situation.  I have a 1982 300SD with a bad B2
> piston.  I know its bad, I had the "classic symptoms", took it
> apart, and the piston came out in pieces, several of them actually.
> I have a new piston ready to go in, I have the new plastic ring to
> replace the old metal one, new orange O ring to replace the old one,
> a bunch of fresh new tranny fluid ready to go in.  This is a 722.303
> transmission.  So, here is my question, in order to get to the old
> metal ring which I have been hearing is very important to replace,
> there is a seal of some sort that goes between the metal ring and
> the flat part of the piston itself.  I guess I missed seeing it in
> any of the pictures I have seen of this repair being done, and there
> was no mention of it made on any of the sites I have seen.  This
> little seal is a bear to get out, and I have no idea what the part
> number is to replace it because it didn't come out in one piece.
> Does anybody have any idea what the Mercedes part number is for this
> little rubber seal?  I'm going to need to get to the dealer to get
> it, and they don't know what I'm talking about.  I suspect that they
> would rather sell me a new tranny and charge me labor for that job
> than sell me the parts I need.  Any help would be greatly
> appreciated.  Chris

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Re: [MBZ] B2 piston question

[Chris Lane]

Ok, so here is the situation.  I have a 1982 300SD with a bad B2 piston.  I
know its bad, I had the "classic symptoms", took it apart, and the piston
came out in pieces, several of them actually.  I have a new piston ready to
go in, I have the new plastic ring to replace the old metal one, new orange
O ring to replace the old one, a bunch of fresh new tranny fluid ready to go
in.  This is a 722.303 transmission.  So, here is my question, in order to
get to the old metal ring which I have been hearing is very important to
replace, there is a seal of some sort that goes between the metal ring and
the flat part of the piston itself.  I guess I missed seeing it in any of
the pictures I have seen of this repair being done, and there was no mention
of it made on any of the sites I have seen.  This little seal is a bear to
get out, and I have no idea what the part number is to replace it because it
didn't come out in one piece.  Does anybody have any idea what the Mercedes
part number is for this little rubber seal?  I'm going to need to get to the
dealer to get it, and they don't know what I'm talking about.  I suspect
that they would rather sell me a new tranny and charge me labor for that job
than sell me the parts I need.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Chris
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[MBZ] B2 piston question

[Chris Lane]

Ok, so here is the situation.  I have a 1982 300SD with a bad B2 piston.  I
know its bad, I had the "classic symptoms", took it apart, and the piston
came out in pieces, several of them actually.  I have a new piston ready to
go in, I have the new plastic ring to replace the old metal one, new orange
O ring to replace the old one, a bunch of fresh new tranny fluid ready to go
in.  This is a 722.303 transmission.  So, here is my question, in order to
get to the old metal ring which I have been hearing is very important to
replace, there is a seal of some sort that goes between the metal ring and
the flat part of the piston itself.  I guess I missed seeing it in any of
the pictures I have seen of this repair being done, and there was no mention
of it made on any of the sites I have seen.  This little seal is a bear to
get out, and I have no idea what the part number is to replace it because it
didn't come out in one piece.  Does anybody have any idea what the Mercedes
part number is for this little rubber seal?  I'm going to need to get to the
dealer to get it, and they don't know what I'm talking about.  I suspect
that they would rather sell me a new tranny and charge me labor for that job
than sell me the parts I need.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Chris
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Re: [MBZ] B2 piston location

[Allan Streib]

"Chris Lane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> So after all of the research I have done and questions I have asked
> I have my problem fairly narrowed down to the B2 piston in my
> transmission.  I have an 82 300SD.  I just the other day noticed a
> large amount of tranny fluid on my driveway.  Since the slab the car
> sits on is not level, I can kinda see where the stain originates
> from.  It looks like the fluid is coming from the rear of the
> passenger side of the transmission pan.

The B2 piston cover is on the passenger side of the tranny.  If
leaking, it could be running down and appear to be coming from the
pan.

> Then today I also found a ring which looked like it was made out of
> some sort of rubber, and about 2 inches across by 3/8" tall.  I
> didn't notice it before, but I also hadn't really looked either.  It
> was chewed up on one side.  Also, although it could have been a
> gasket of some sort, I guess; there was nothing that looked like it
> would have come out with it.  This ring BTW, has a rounded V shape,
> but and this is the strange part, the V opened to the outside of the
> ring.  Due to my neighborhood, and the location of my carport, this
> could be some crap that some ignorant neighbor tossed up there, so
> if it doesn't seem like it could come from anything around the
> transmission don't sweat it.

The seal on the B2 cover is an O-ring, red in color as I recall.  Hard
to imagine it slipping out, anyway.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D
1966 230

[MBZ] B2 piston location

[Chris Lane]

So after all of the research I have done and questions I have asked I have
my problem fairly narrowed down to the B2 piston in my transmission.  I have
an 82 300SD.  I just the other day noticed a large amount of tranny fluid on
my driveway.  Since the slab the car sits on is not level, I can kinda see
where the stain originates from.  It looks like the fluid is coming from the
rear of the passenger side of the transmission pan.  I know that the B2
piston can leak, and the symptoms I have are certainly B2 symptoms, just
trying to know if I have something else to worry about before I start
pulling this thing apart.  I know, there is no way to know without you
seeing it.  So I'm just wondering if that is the right spot for fluid loss
with the B2.

Then today I also found a ring which looked like it was made out of some
sort of rubber, and about 2 inches across by 3/8" tall.  I didn't notice it
before, but I also hadn't really looked either.  It was chewed up on one
side.  Also, although it could have been a gasket of some sort, I guess;
there was nothing that looked like it would have come out with it.  This
ring BTW, has a rounded V shape, but and this is the strange part, the V
opened to the outside of the ring.  Due to my neighborhood, and the location
of my carport, this could be some crap that some ignorant neighbor tossed up
there, so if it doesn't seem like it could come from anything around the
transmission don't sweat it.

Thanks,
Chris

Re: [MBZ] B2 Piston repair? --- Transmission failing

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Yea, it can be done in the car alrighty.

Mitch Haley wrote:


What Rick said.

The good news is that there's more room in the 126 tranny tunnel than
the 123. List owner Kaleb has done a few 123 B2s in the car, could
probably help with specific questions if you run into trouble.
Do put the whole sleeve/piston kit, don't get lazy and put the new
piston in the old sleeve.

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Re: [MBZ] B2 Piston repair? --- Transmission failing

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

yep, sounds like the b2 pistion for sure. Somebody around here has a 
writeup on it which I need to post to the website.


Daniel Konow wrote:

Hello List 
  I send the follwing Email earlier to a different list and got a kind answer from Larry T. who has a good guess about the problem my 81 300SD is facing. He suggested to join this list and bother you guys with my tech problem.. So here we are. Any reply is greatly appreciated


  So my good old 81 300SD decided to give us serious trouble: Going 
shopping and entering the parking lot, we had to stop and then, still 
in D for drive the tranny decided that forward is no more. So, the 
tranny clicks still, when I put in in D, L or S but nothing happend 
except the engine revs up. It wants to go reverse though, no problem 
this way However now it sits in the rain on the paking lot and 
won't move. The tranny recently got a new filter and fluid and it ran much smoother after that. and now.
Any ideas what went wrong? Anybody had the same experience and what 
the heck can I do about it.

Thanks for all answeres
Daniel

  Larry T. wrote: 
   
  There's a piston in the transmission called the B2 -- it fails and you get what you got!  I suggest you join us on the Diesel list - I'm not very familiar with the B2 problem except the symptoms - but there are many on the Diesel list who can describe the fix - you maybe able to fix it yourself!
   
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Re: [MBZ] B2 Piston repair? --- Transmission failing

[John Berryman]

On Mar 25, 2006, at 1:45 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:

Yeah, I was on yahell lists before. I was not particularly  
impressed. This
IS the place for information on ALL Mercedes, not just diesels  
(although a

good deal of us are from an old diesel list). Here is some B2 info
http://transmission.articles.mbz.org/b2/why/
http://transmission.articles.mbz.org/b2/repair/



	For those of you who have not yet made my acquaintance, you will at  
least get see my fingers in the photos on these web pages.
	I did Richarde's B2 for him (among many other repairs) when he came  
down to visit for a couple of weeks.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] B2 Piston repair? --- Transmission failing

[Mitch Haley]

What Rick said.

The good news is that there's more room in the 126 tranny tunnel than
the 123. List owner Kaleb has done a few 123 B2s in the car, could
probably help with specific questions if you run into trouble.
Do put the whole sleeve/piston kit, don't get lazy and put the new
piston in the old sleeve.

Re: [MBZ] B2 Piston repair? --- Transmission failing

[Rick Knoble]

Yeah, I was on yahell lists before. I was not particularly impressed. This 
IS the place for information on ALL Mercedes, not just diesels (although a 
good deal of us are from an old diesel list). Here is some B2 info

http://transmission.articles.mbz.org/b2/why/
http://transmission.articles.mbz.org/b2/repair/

I sifted through about two dozen links and that is all I found. Here is 
another one, although it has nothing about b2 piston failure.

http://www.dieselbenz.info/



Here is what I have from my archives from Allan Streib.

Here is my summary of the repair, as promised.

Despite what you may have heard or read, it is possible to do this
repair on a W123 without removing the transmission.  My thanks again to
Dave S. who helped me at several points along the way with this.

Read the articles at http://transmission.articles.mbz.org/b2, and
its links to the two articles at Richard Easley's site.  My repair went
pretty much along those lines, using all the parts listed in the mbz.org
article.  Where my experience deviated from the existing writeups was:

Before you start, get yourself a set of picks.  These look like
dental tools.  I got a set of three at the local True-Value store, which
included a 90-degree pick, a "double offset" pick, and a "hook" pick.
The cost of the set was about $9, and absolutely worth the price for
this repair. I used the hook shaped pick the most, so if you can find
that on its own it would probably be sufficient.

At the hardware store, you may also want to get a "brad puller" to
help with removing the seal at the back of the main bore (more on that
later).  This is like a nail puller but in minature.  Should have a long
shank (at least 7 - 8 inches) and a bent tip.  Alternatively you can do
what I did: take a longish screwdriver, heat the end in a torch until it
is a dull red, then hammer it over so there is about a 15 or 20 degree
bend at the very end.

In the W123, clearance is tight.  To gain the necessary access,
support the transmission mount with a floor jack and remove the four
bolts that hold the mount support plate to the bottom of the car.  When
I removed these bolts, one of the lock washers split in two.  The others
were squashed absolutely flat, so I decided to replace them.  I picked
up a package of four 3/8" grade 8 lock washers, which had the same
gold/cad color and are a very snug fit, like the originals.  I used a
scribe to mark the exact position of the plate on the underside of the
car before I loosened anything; I'm not sure if this is necessary but I
did not want to risk getting the drivetrain out of alignment.

Also unbolt the center driveshaft bearing, which is about 6 or 8
inches rearward of the transmission mount.  Again, I used a scribe to
make some marks so I could line everything up exactly as it was upon
reassembly.  Unbolting this bearing will allow the transmission to drop
a bit farther than unbolting the transmission mount alone, which is
essential to gaining enough clearance to get the new piston installed.

With the mount and drivshaft bearing unbolted, gently lower the
floor jack, and wedge the transmission over to the left as described in
the above mentioned articles.  Be sure the hood is up since the front of
the engine will rise as the transmission is lowered.

Clean the B2 cover as well as you can.  I used CRC Brake Cleaner
spray, which is not something you want to breathe a lot of.  Take a
break at this point and let the fumes clear.

The cover is held in place by a retaining ring.  There is a gap in
the ring, which should be located where you see the raised round area
near the outer edge of the cover.  This was at about the 2 o'clock
position on my car.  Press the cover in, and use your hook-shaped pick
to get under the end of the ring and pull it out.  Then work around the
ring until it pops free.  I was able to depress the B2 cover with hand
pressure; I did not need any kind of homebrew "compressor" tool as
described in the mbz.org writeup.

You may need to wiggle the cover by pressing alternating sides,
tapping it, etc. but it should pop free once the retaining ring is out.
 About a cup of ATF will get dumped at this point, so be prepared.

Assuming your B2 piston actually is broken, it will come out in
pieces.  There is a small pushrod in there -- try to notice which end is
in and which end is out.  Mine fell out onto the floor, so I don't know
if I reinstalled it the same way -- it does not look like it would
matter, but it would be best to keep it in the original orientation if
you can.

Once the piston is out, you have to deal with replacing the
aforementioned black seal at the rear of the bore.  I tried pulling it
with the picks but it absolutely would not budge.  Using your brad
puller or modified screwdriver, approaching horizontally (parallel to
the floor) from the rear, place the tip between the seal and the alloy
bushing immediately behind it.  Tap the tool under the se

[MBZ] B2 Piston repair? --- Transmission failing

[Daniel Konow]

Hello List 
  I send the follwing Email earlier to a different list and got a kind answer 
from Larry T. who has a good guess about the problem my 81 300SD is facing. He 
suggested to join this list and bother you guys with my tech problem.. So here 
we are. Any reply is greatly appreciated

  So my good old 81 300SD decided to give us serious trouble: Going 
shopping and entering the parking lot, we had to stop and then, still 
in D for drive the tranny decided that forward is no more. So, the 
tranny clicks still, when I put in in D, L or S but nothing happend 
except the engine revs up. It wants to go reverse though, no problem 
this way However now it sits in the rain on the paking lot and 
won't move. The tranny recently got a new filter and fluid and it ran much 
smoother after that. and now.
Any ideas what went wrong? Anybody had the same experience and what 
the heck can I do about it.
Thanks for all answeres
Daniel

  Larry T. wrote: 
   
  There's a piston in the transmission called the B2 -- it fails and you get 
what you got!  I suggest you join us on the Diesel list - I'm not very familiar 
with the B2 problem except the symptoms - but there are many on the Diesel list 
who can describe the fix - you maybe able to fix it yourself!
   
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  Good luck -
   
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> with your 240D!

'Trying'.  Yes, indeed.  Haven't seen any profits yet and the hourly
ROI is sure to be rather small.  Be careful what you wish for!

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Re: [MBZ] B2 diagnosis

[Luther Gulseth]

Start with a Mobile 1 ATF fluid/filter change.  That cured my CD which had  
a slipping trans until the speed was above 15-20mph.  I'm a believer.


Luther

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wrote:



Loren Faeth wrote:
The 88 TE I bought in VA should arrive in the next few days.  It was  
sold

with a non-working trans, but was supposed to be able to move enough to
drive on a transport.  When the transport got there, the car didn't
start.  I don't know other symptoms yet.  Since I am new to auto trans
diagnosis and repair, could someone list the symptoms related to a B2  
problem.


I understand the B2 symptom of "I shift it into gear and then it takes 3
seconds to engage."  But what are other failure modes?

Are there any other failure modes that can be repaired with the trans in
the car?

If anyone can describe symptoms  or how to determine if I need a  
rebuilt or

used trans?


Total B-2 piston (or band) failure results in NO forward motion and
reverse is fine. If the piston is going to fail, it's rare that they
don't fail suddenly (they don't go slowly over days or weeks).

If it takes longer than 2 seconds from N to R, the reverse clutch pack
is worn (first signs of serious transmission wear). That's entirely
unrelated to B-2 piston or band problems.

Marshall




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Re: [MBZ] B2 diagnosis

[Marshall Booth]

Loren Faeth wrote:
The 88 TE I bought in VA should arrive in the next few days.  It was sold 
with a non-working trans, but was supposed to be able to move enough to 
drive on a transport.  When the transport got there, the car didn't 
start.  I don't know other symptoms yet.  Since I am new to auto trans 
diagnosis and repair, could someone list the symptoms related to a B2 problem.


I understand the B2 symptom of "I shift it into gear and then it takes 3 
seconds to engage."  But what are other failure modes?


Are there any other failure modes that can be repaired with the trans in 
the car?


If anyone can describe symptoms  or how to determine if I need a rebuilt or 
used trans?


Total B-2 piston (or band) failure results in NO forward motion and 
reverse is fine. If the piston is going to fail, it's rare that they 
don't fail suddenly (they don't go slowly over days or weeks).


If it takes longer than 2 seconds from N to R, the reverse clutch pack 
is worn (first signs of serious transmission wear). That's entirely 
unrelated to B-2 piston or band problems.


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Re: [MBZ] B2 diagnosis

[Loren Faeth]

Thanks!  this and Jim's tip about the kickdown switch are great starting 
places.


Anybody else got trans troubleshooting ideas?  When/how do you pronounce 
the sucker dead?


At 05:32 PM 2/5/2006, you wrote:

no, there are many things that could cause that.  First of which would
be the control pressure cable which connects to the throttle linkage.

Loren Faeth wrote:

> So if the car moves forward and reverse, but doesn't shift into highway
> gear the trans is toast?
>
> At 12:09 PM 2/5/2006, you wrote:
>
>>My experience with only a B2 failure should be able to drive in 
reverse, not

>>forward.
>>
>>Dennis T
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Re: [MBZ] B2 diagnosis

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

no, there are many things that could cause that.  First of which would 
be the control pressure cable which connects to the throttle linkage.


Loren Faeth wrote:

So if the car moves forward and reverse, but doesn't shift into highway 
gear the trans is toast?


At 12:09 PM 2/5/2006, you wrote:


My experience with only a B2 failure should be able to drive in reverse, not
forward.

Dennis T








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Re: [MBZ] B2 diagnosis

[Loren Faeth]

So if the car moves forward and reverse, but doesn't shift into highway 
gear the trans is toast?


At 12:09 PM 2/5/2006, you wrote:

My experience with only a B2 failure should be able to drive in reverse, not
forward.

Dennis T

Re: [MBZ] B2 diagnosis

[Loren Faeth]

ok, well the updated B2 is supposed to have a groove so that the 
shift/response time is shorter.



At 10:14 AM 2/5/2006, you wrote:

No, the symptom of a bad b2 piston is you shift into drive and it never
goes into gear.  If you have the "shift into gear and it takes 3 sec"
then the tranny is probably just worn out.

Loren Faeth wrote:

> The 88 TE I bought in VA should arrive in the next few days.  It was sold
> with a non-working trans, but was supposed to be able to move enough to
> drive on a transport.  When the transport got there, the car didn't
> start.  I don't know other symptoms yet.  Since I am new to auto trans
> diagnosis and repair, could someone list the symptoms related to a B2 
problem.

>
> I understand the B2 symptom of "I shift it into gear and then it takes 3
> seconds to engage."  But what are other failure modes?
>
> Are there any other failure modes that can be repaired with the trans in
> the car?
>
> If anyone can describe symptoms  or how to determine if I need a 
rebuilt or

> used trans?
>
> I'll spare yall the " I hate auto trans" rant ; (
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Re: [MBZ] B2 diagnosis

[Woodlandtaylors]

My experience with only a B2 failure should be able to drive in reverse, not
forward.

Dennis T

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No, the symptom of a bad b2 piston is you shift into drive and it never 
goes into gear.  If you have the "shift into gear and it takes 3 sec" 
then the tranny is probably just worn out.

Loren Faeth wrote:

> The 88 TE I bought in VA should arrive in the next few days.  It was sold 
> with a non-working trans, but was supposed to be able to move enough to 
> drive on a transport.  When the transport got there, the car didn't 
> start.  I don't know other symptoms yet.  Since I am new to auto trans 
> diagnosis and repair, could someone list the symptoms related to a B2
problem.
> 
> I understand the B2 symptom of "I shift it into gear and then it takes 3 
> seconds to engage."  But what are other failure modes?
> 
> Are there any other failure modes that can be repaired with the trans in 
> the car?
> 
> If anyone can describe symptoms  or how to determine if I need a rebuilt
or 
> used trans?
> 
> I'll spare yall the " I hate auto trans" rant ; (  
> 
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Re: [MBZ] B2 diagnosis

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

No, the symptom of a bad b2 piston is you shift into drive and it never 
goes into gear.  If you have the "shift into gear and it takes 3 sec" 
then the tranny is probably just worn out.


Loren Faeth wrote:

The 88 TE I bought in VA should arrive in the next few days.  It was sold 
with a non-working trans, but was supposed to be able to move enough to 
drive on a transport.  When the transport got there, the car didn't 
start.  I don't know other symptoms yet.  Since I am new to auto trans 
diagnosis and repair, could someone list the symptoms related to a B2 problem.


I understand the B2 symptom of "I shift it into gear and then it takes 3 
seconds to engage."  But what are other failure modes?


Are there any other failure modes that can be repaired with the trans in 
the car?


If anyone can describe symptoms  or how to determine if I need a rebuilt or 
used trans?


I'll spare yall the " I hate auto trans" rant ; (  



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[MBZ] B2 diagnosis

[Loren Faeth]

The 88 TE I bought in VA should arrive in the next few days.  It was sold 
with a non-working trans, but was supposed to be able to move enough to 
drive on a transport.  When the transport got there, the car didn't 
start.  I don't know other symptoms yet.  Since I am new to auto trans 
diagnosis and repair, could someone list the symptoms related to a B2 problem.


I understand the B2 symptom of "I shift it into gear and then it takes 3 
seconds to engage."  But what are other failure modes?


Are there any other failure modes that can be repaired with the trans in 
the car?


If anyone can describe symptoms  or how to determine if I need a rebuilt or 
used trans?


I'll spare yall the " I hate auto trans" rant ; (  

Re: [MBZ] B2 Piston Failure

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

no

B Dike wrote:


Thanks Barry.  Can the B2 band be replaced w/o
dismantling the tranny?  


Bruce


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Re: [MBZ] B2 Piston Failure

[B Dike]

Thanks Barry.  Can the B2 band be replaced w/o
dismantling the tranny?  

Bruce

--- Barry Stark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Bruce -
> The only quick test is the B2 only controls forward
> gears, it should still
> have reverse. OTOH, he did say it went bang when it
> quit. I'm guessing it
> may more likely be the B2 band that broke, not the
> piston.
> 
> Barry
> 
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> Dike
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> Subject: [MBZ] B2 Piston Failure
> 
> 
> http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/103011770.html
> 
> Daughter needs a car.  It might be worthwhile if
> it's
> only a B2 piston...is there a simple way to check?
> 
> Bruce
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Re: [MBZ] B2 Piston Failure

[Marshall Booth]

Barry Stark wrote:

Bruce -
The only quick test is the B2 only controls forward gears, it should still
have reverse. OTOH, he did say it went bang when it quit. I'm guessing it
may more likely be the B2 band that broke, not the piston.

Barry


Either the band breaking OR the piston failing will result in failed 
forward motion and proper reverse. Least involved way (I can think of) 
to be SURE is to pull the B-2 piston and see if it's shattered.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] B2 Piston Failure

[Barry Stark]

Bruce -
The only quick test is the B2 only controls forward gears, it should still
have reverse. OTOH, he did say it went bang when it quit. I'm guessing it
may more likely be the B2 band that broke, not the piston.

Barry

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Subject: [MBZ] B2 Piston Failure


http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/103011770.html

Daughter needs a car.  It might be worthwhile if it's
only a B2 piston...is there a simple way to check?

Bruce

Re: [MBZ] B2 Piston Failure

[redghost]

Bruce

Offer half, since he smoked too much, the tranny is shot and the car is 
not worth more than asking price in the condition stated, even if it 
ran.  There is a tranny in the PnP up in Lynnwood on a 300D.  Bound to 
have parts enough there to make it run well and cover the interior 
issues.


On Monday, October 10, 2005, at 11:13 AM, B Dike wrote:


http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/103011770.html

Daughter needs a car.  It might be worthwhile if it's
only a B2 piston...is there a simple way to check?

Bruce

Bruce
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[MBZ] B2 Piston Failure

[B Dike]

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/103011770.html

Daughter needs a car.  It might be worthwhile if it's
only a B2 piston...is there a simple way to check?  

Bruce

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Re: [MBZ] B2 piston on a W126

[Marshall Booth]

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

thats 123 that takes 45

Luther Gulseth wrote:


which is it?  Does it take you 20 or 45 minutes to do the b2 on a 126?   
I'm confused.


On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 02:29:45 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:





Its very easy to do on a 126 with it in the car, takes me about 20
minutes.  On the 126, takes maybe 45.


Does that include replacing the bushing as well? If the bushing isn't 
replaced at the same time many (more than half of the one I have reports 
about) will fail (several different failure patterns) again within 
5-20kmi. This has been confirmed by all of the really good good techs 
I've ever talked to about this. The late Randy Durrance didn't replace 
the bushing in his wifes 300TD when he did the piston and had to replace 
the piston again as well as the bushing and the shattered piston cover.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] B2 piston on a W126

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

thats 123 that takes 45

Luther Gulseth wrote:

which is it?  Does it take you 20 or 45 minutes to do the b2 on a 126?   
I'm confused.


On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 02:29:45 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:




Its very easy to do on a 126 with it in the car, takes me about 20
minutes.  On the 126, takes maybe 45.








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Re: [MBZ] B2 piston on a W126

[Luther Gulseth]

which is it?  Does it take you 20 or 45 minutes to do the b2 on a 126?   
I'm confused.


On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 02:29:45 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:



Its very easy to do on a 126 with it in the car, takes me about 20
minutes.  On the 126, takes maybe 45.





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Re: [MBZ] B2 piston on a W126

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Its very easy to do on a 126 with it in the car, takes me about 20 
minutes.  On the 126, takes maybe 45.


Rick Knoble wrote:


Hi Al,
Is it possible to change a B2 piston on an '85 200 SD with the trans in the 
car? Is it very time consuming?
Thanks,
Rick Knoble
1985 300 CD
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Re: [MBZ] B2 Piston For Sale

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

WOW, you really did visit the stealership.

Jason Greene wrote:

I bought a B2 Piston for an 85 300D from the local MB Stealership 
(Aristocrat Motors Kansas City, MO).  As it turns out mine was not 
broken and they will not take it back. Thus I will never buy from them 
again.


So I have one for sale.  It has never been out of the box. I paid $150

Make me an offer



Jason Greene

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Re: [MBZ] B2 Piston For Sale

[JabbaHursty]

would have done better buying it from us

gary


At 12:52 PM 6/29/2005, you wrote:
I bought a B2 Piston for an 85 300D from the local MB Stealership 
(Aristocrat Motors Kansas City, MO).  As it turns out mine was not broken 
and they will not take it back. Thus I will never buy from them again.


So I have one for sale.  It has never been out of the box. I paid $150

Make me an offer



Jason Greene

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[MBZ] B2 Piston For Sale

[Jason Greene]

I bought a B2 Piston for an 85 300D from the local MB Stealership 
(Aristocrat Motors Kansas City, MO).  As it turns out mine was not 
broken and they will not take it back. Thus I will never buy from them 
again.


So I have one for sale.  It has never been out of the box. I paid $150

Make me an offer



Jason Greene