Re: [MBZ] Dead battery

2022-04-04 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
Maybe I should just drive the car to a flaps and have them test it in situ. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 4, 2022, at 8:45 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: > > I don’t think so. It fluctuates a little but not much. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 4, 2022, at 7:58 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: >>

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery

2022-04-04 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
I don’t think so. It fluctuates a little but not much. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 4, 2022, at 7:58 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: > >  >> >> I’d say yes while revving the engine but at idle it seems high and >> furthermore the voltage doesn’t change while revving engine. It’s >> permanently

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery

2022-04-04 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> I’d say yes while revving the engine but at idle it seems high and > furthermore the voltage doesn’t change while revving engine. It’s permanently > around 14V which doesn’t seem right to me. It does seem odd. Does your meter have a peak-hold function that you accidentally triggered? --

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery

2022-04-04 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
I’d say yes while revving the engine but at idle it seems high and furthermore the voltage doesn’t change while revving engine. It’s permanently around 14V which doesn’t seem right to me. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 4, 2022, at 7:23 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > > I thought that was

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery

2022-04-04 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
I thought that was the optimum charging voltage - it is for my airplane's flooded lead acid battery anyway. On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 2:56 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Ok, so I’m guessing then that the voltage regulator is the culprit > considering the

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery

2022-04-04 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
Ok, so I’m guessing then that the voltage regulator is the culprit considering the overcharging condition? Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 4, 2022, at 3:49 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: > >  >> >> amp draw between ground and the negative terminal of the battery and I only >> got about 3.4 mA. It is

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery

2022-04-04 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> amp draw between ground and the negative terminal of the battery and I only > got about 3.4 mA. It is my understanding that 50 mA is the cut off for a > excessive parasitic draw so I’m not sure why my battery is discharging by > just sitting idle for a few days. Not all loads are steady.

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery

2022-04-04 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
Ok, I did some more troubleshooting. I charged up the battery and with the engine running it reads 14.14 V across the terminals. While revving the engine the voltage across the terminal is still 14.14 V, so that indicates to me and overcharging condition as 14.1 V without revving the engine is

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery

2022-04-03 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Isn't there a procedure for narrowing down the possibilities by disconnecting fuses one by one? On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 5:26 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Yes, I would suspect the alternator or at least it would be the first > thing I would try to eliminate as the

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery

2022-04-03 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
Yes, I would suspect the alternator or at least it would be the first thing I would try to eliminate as the cause. On Sat, Apr 2, 2022, at 6:49 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: > The w124 300D 2.5 sat for one week and battery is now dead (11.18v). > Battery is a few months old,

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery

2022-04-03 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
Thank you. I had no idea that a voltage regulator could cause a parasitic drain. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 3, 2022, at 3:15 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: > > Remove VR. If parasitic drain of alternator goes down, it was > the VR. If it does not, it is the diodes. > > -- Jim >

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery

2022-04-03 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
Remove VR. If parasitic drain of alternator goes down, it was the VR. If it does not, it is the diodes. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery

2022-04-03 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
Well under door lights (courtesy lights) work fine. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 2, 2022, at 9:06 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes > wrote: > > I believe so. It’s been a while since I’ve dealt with this, One of the 400Es > I had experienced this issue. > > -D > >> On Apr 2, 2022, at 6:03

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery

2022-04-03 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
How do I diagnose faulty voltage regulator vs other issue such as diodes? Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 2, 2022, at 9:07 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes > wrote: > > Nope. A couple of screws and the regulator comes right off the back. You > have to sort of “lever” or rotate it out of the

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery

2022-04-02 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
yes me too. there is a difference between US reman Bosch & the ones remanufacted in India. I had a good mechanic help me figure that one out. On Sat, Apr 2, 2022, 9:45 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I've had poor luck with reman alternators in MBs, my '83 240D ate

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery

2022-04-02 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I've had poor luck with reman alternators in MBs, my '83 240D ate a bunch of them, I forget how many, 5 or 6 before I finally got a good one. -Curt On Saturday, April 2, 2022, 06:50:08 PM EDT, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: The w124 300D 2.5 sat for one week and battery is now dead

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery

2022-04-02 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
right On Sat, Apr 2, 2022, 9:07 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Nope. A couple of screws and the regulator comes right off the back. You > have to sort of “lever” or rotate it out of the case so the brushes clear > the opening. > > -D > > > On Apr 2, 2022, at

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery

2022-04-02 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes
Nope. A couple of screws and the regulator comes right off the back. You have to sort of “lever” or rotate it out of the case so the brushes clear the opening. -D > On Apr 2, 2022, at 6:04 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes > wrote: > > Does alternator need to come out in order to replace

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery

2022-04-02 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes
I believe so. It’s been a while since I’ve dealt with this, One of the 400Es I had experienced this issue. -D > On Apr 2, 2022, at 6:03 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: > > So the relay is bad when the under door lights don’t come on when door is > open? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 2,

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery

2022-04-02 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
Does alternator need to come out in order to replace regulator? Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 2, 2022, at 7:52 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes > wrote: > > yes > >> On Sat, Apr 2, 2022, 7:33 PM Peter Frederick via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> Very likely a voltage

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery

2022-04-02 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
So the relay is bad when the under door lights don’t come on when door is open? Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 2, 2022, at 8:37 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes > wrote: > > Also known as the “puddle light” relay, it’s in a near inaccessible location > behind the instrument cluster. I can’t

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery

2022-04-02 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes
Also known as the “puddle light” relay, it’s in a near inaccessible location behind the instrument cluster. I can’t recall the failure mode, but I think the puddle lights (the lights on the bottom of the door) don’t come on when the door is opened. -D > On Apr 2, 2022, at 4:37 PM, Dimitri

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery

2022-04-02 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
Alternator diodes can also get leaky in the reverse direction. Just take an ammeter to it and see the drain, directly. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery

2022-04-02 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
yes On Sat, Apr 2, 2022, 7:33 PM Peter Frederick via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Very likely a voltage regulator in the alternator going bad. Has happened > to me a couple times now. > > If you drive at night you will see a dim glow on the alternator warning > light, nothing

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery

2022-04-02 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
regulator? On Sat, Apr 2, 2022, 6:50 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > The w124 300D 2.5 sat for one week and battery is now dead (11.18v). > Battery is a few months old, alternator I replaced 2 years ago with Bosch > reman. I haven’t done any troubleshooting

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery

2022-04-02 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
Yes but I never use radio. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 2, 2022, at 7:24 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > >  > Do you have an automatic antenna? If so, maybe it's shorting out. > >> On Sat, Apr 2, 2022, 6:50 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes >> wrote: >> The w124 300D 2.5 sat for one week

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery

2022-04-02 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
I didn’t notice the dim alternator light going on. What is a courtesy relay? Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 2, 2022, at 7:33 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes > wrote: > > Very likely a voltage regulator in the alternator going bad. Has happened > to me a couple times now. > > If you drive

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery

2022-04-02 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
Very likely a voltage regulator in the alternator going bad. Has happened to me a couple times now. If you drive at night you will see a dim glow on the alternator warning light, nothing more. Also, check to make sure the courtesy relay isn’t bad, it will draw an amp or so with the lights

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery

2022-04-02 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Do you have an automatic antenna? If so, maybe it's shorting out. On Sat, Apr 2, 2022, 6:50 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > The w124 300D 2.5 sat for one week and battery is now dead (11.18v). > Battery is a few months old, alternator I replaced 2 years ago

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery resurrection?

2019-04-21 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> Floyd wrote: > Any other recommendations for how to see if it > might have some more life in it?  I know some of y'all have done > some weird magic on them to get some more life out of them. An "equalizing" charge. Which is really just intentionally overcharging to "clean" the plates. Be

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery resurrection?

2019-04-21 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Check the fluid levels. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC On April 21, 2019 7:23:01 PM EDT, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: >The daughter unit was visiting last week and her battery in the E320 >apparently died at the store up the road, I was off somewhere so she >came back to the house and

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery resurrection?

2019-04-21 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I have a Mercedes battery from the S210 wagon that is dated 2001, I believe. I keep it on a maintenance charger as a “shelf” battery. Despite it kicking the bucket in the wagon, it’s come through a couple of times since as a backup when necessary. I wouldn’t rely on it long term, but it’s good

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery SDL

2019-01-16 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
So, if the alternator warning light comes on, and then goes out when the alternator starts charging, I can pretty much guarantee the ignition switch is NOT preventing the alternator from charging. The ignition switch *might* be causing a current draw which drains the battery faster than the

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery yesterday

2013-02-05 Thread Fmiser
Max Dillon wrote: Accidentally left an interior light on in my E300 over the weekend, Monday morning no crank no start. Tried jumping with boat battery which is wintering in the garage, but no joy. Used SWMBO's car; my lovely assistant had to hold the idle speed above 2k rpm, and

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery

2012-12-09 Thread Max Dillon
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Re: [MBZ] Dead battery in 240D

2012-12-08 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
its H8 I believe. On 12/8/2012 10:26 AM, Gerry Archer wrote: Many thanks to all who offered suggestions on batteries. Drove my 240D to Advance Auto thinking it had the two year old Advance battery. I was wrong; it had a 7 year old Autozone battery. Still planned to buy an Advance battery

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery

2012-12-07 Thread Michael Canfield
From what I hear they are like everything else...made cheap with a big warranty with the company hoping for failures like yours; just out of the warranty period. I buy mine from Wally Mart. Supposed to be made by Johnson Control who is supposed to be good. I have had a few failures in my

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery

2012-12-07 Thread Tim C
On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.comwrote: From what I hear they are like everything else...made cheap with a big warranty with the company hoping for failures like yours; just out of the warranty period. I buy mine from Wally Mart. Supposed to be made by

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery

2012-12-07 Thread Gerry Archer
I bought a battery from Advance Auto about 2 years ago. I opened the cells at home and found one cell with no visible electrolyte. The amount of distilled water it took to fill it up would make it seem that the acid had been added but not the water. Advance Auto would not give me a different

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery

2012-12-07 Thread Michael Canfield
I just bought the Wallymart version, same 3 years, came to $125 with tax and I kept my old battery. Worth more at the salvage yard. Mike On Dec 7, 2012 9:56 AM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: From what I hear they are

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery

2012-12-07 Thread Mitch Haley
Gerry Archer wrote: I bought a battery from Advance Auto about 2 years ago. I opened the cells at home and found one cell with no visible electrolyte. The amount of distilled water it took to fill it up would make it seem that the acid had been added but not the water. Advance Auto would

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery

2012-12-07 Thread dblidd
I have used new batteries from Costco and Interstate, and have found Interstate to be the better of the two. Typically I don't buy batteries, usually I go down to the marine shop I used to work at and grab a discharged battery off of the core rack that has a recent date code, charge it and test

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery

2012-12-07 Thread Max Dillon
:07 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery I bought a battery from Advance Auto about 2 years ago. I opened the cells at home and found one cell with no visible electrolyte. The amount of distilled water it took to fill it up would make it seem that the acid had been

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery

2012-12-07 Thread Mitch Haley
Advance has a $25 rebate until 12-31-2012, and the usual $40 off coupons. http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/topic_view.php?catid=18threadid=1231931start=40 https://advanceautoparts.4myrebate.com/Claim/OfferDetailsNewGrid/?Offercd=AAP-10020 ___

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery

2012-12-07 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Well you should still have some warranty left on it, take it back there. On 12/7/2012 7:48 AM, Max Dillon wrote: Any recommendations for a maker of good batteries these days? Looks like the Auto Zone Gold battery in my wife's Infiniti has died, just over three years old, only about 22k

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery

2012-12-07 Thread Rick Knoble
On Dec 7, 2012, at 1:50 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Advance has a $25 rebate until 12-31-2012, and the usual $40 off coupons. http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/topic_view.php?catid=18threadid=1231931start=40

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?

2009-05-27 Thread Mitch Haley
ernest breakfield wrote: why would we think an AGM batt would not outgas when charging? they have vents; (they're very subtle on the Optimas, but they're there) wouldn't they be for just this purpose?

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?

2009-05-27 Thread Curt Raymond
Hey you forgot Jaguar. Oh, wait... ;) -Curt Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 14:29:54 -0700 From: tyler casi...@usermail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4a1c5f52.3060...@usermail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?

2009-05-27 Thread Curt Raymond
...@backyardengineering.org Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4a1cc58e.9000...@backyardengineering.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed why would we think an AGM batt would not outgas when charging? they have

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?

2009-05-27 Thread ernest breakfield
hi Mitch! that article states in one place that AGM batteries hydrogen emission is far below the 4% max specified for aircraft and enclosed spaces, and in another states completely sealed against fumes; seems like a bit of a conflict, but it's admittedly written by someone who's in the

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?

2009-05-27 Thread ernest breakfield
(?) and knew about serious cold). IIRC he had several and had used them for years. -Curt Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 21:46:06 -0700 From: ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4a1cc58e.9000

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?

2009-05-27 Thread tyler
I once saw someone whom had an old Volvo 740 diesel with low compression that needed to crank really fast to start. They had two optima red tops mounted side by side in the space of the normal huge diesel battery, and they were connected in parallel directly to the starter with enormous

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?

2009-05-27 Thread Mitch Haley
ernest breakfield wrote: Optima has this warning buried on their site: Overcharging can cause the safety valves to open and battery gasses to escape, resulting in premature failure. These gasses are flammable! perhaps the vent i'm seeing on the tops of the Optimas is what they're calling

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?

2009-05-27 Thread Curt Raymond
: ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4a1d783a.7050...@backyardengineering.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; Format=flowed hi Curt!     i'm a Philly-born boy that now lives

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?

2009-05-27 Thread Curt Raymond
...@usermail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4a1d7aa3.6060...@usermail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I once saw someone whom had an old Volvo 740 diesel with low compression that needed to crank really fast

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?

2009-05-27 Thread tyler
I wonder why he would say that. A starter will draw more amps with a larger cable, because the resistance of the whole circuit is lower. If the starter cables are noticeably warm after a hard cranking session, then you will get a higher cranking speed with larger cables. If the starter cables

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?

2009-05-27 Thread Mitch Haley
Curt Raymond wrote: Marshall chided me and said that the starter wouldn't draw any more amps just because the cable is bigger. Maybe not, but the starter will see more voltage and spin faster because the larger cables have less voltage drop. That's what you really want anyway. To get an

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?

2009-05-27 Thread tyler
Less voltage drop across cables = more current flowing through circuit Ohm's law states I=V/R Where I is the current, V the (fairly constant) battery voltage, and R the total circuit resistance. If the voltage drop across the cables goes down (due to their resistance, which contributes to

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?

2009-05-27 Thread Mitch Haley
tyler wrote: Less voltage drop across cables = more current flowing through circuit Ohm's law states I=V/R But ohm's law is for resistive loads, not inductive. In some cases, starter current can go UP as voltage to the starter goes down. I thought you had an education in physics? Mitch.

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?

2009-05-27 Thread tyler
I was assuming that the starter would be approximately ohmic over the range of voltages provided by different cables. Perhaps this is a wrong assumption? If so, I apologize- I'm really not sure. I imagine it would depend on the design and load of the motor. Tyler Mitch Haley wrote: But

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?

2009-05-27 Thread Curt Raymond
I think his contention was that the stock cables were big enough and short enough that nothing I could put in would be any serious kind of improvement... -Curt Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:47:57 -0400 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? To: Mercedes Discussion List

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?

2009-05-27 Thread Curt Raymond
. -Curt Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 13:57:26 -0700 From: tyler casi...@usermail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4a1da936.50...@usermail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Less voltage drop across cables = more

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?

2009-05-27 Thread Mitch Haley
Curt Raymond wrote: I think his contention was that the stock cables were big enough and short enough that nothing I could put in would be any serious kind of improvement... Aha, the Marshall theory of Mercedes engineers know more about car design than you do. Which, generally speaking,

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?

2009-05-27 Thread LWB250
remember one car in particular that improved so substantially from this mod that you only had to tap the ignition key to start it Dan --- On Wed, 5/27/09, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? To: Mercedes Discussion List

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?

2009-05-27 Thread tyler
You have a good point, and it's probably what Marshall was getting at. Of course, as cables age and corrode their resistance can get higher, and eventually need replacement- especially if battery acid has seeped down the length of the cable, which is pretty common unless the car has always

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?

2009-05-27 Thread Jim Cathey
To get an idea how much improvement is possible, measure cranking voltage at the battery and at the starter simultaneously. Better, and easier, is to measure the voltage between the battery post and the starter terminal. (And for grins, between the battery's other post and the engine block.)

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?

2009-05-27 Thread Fmiser
Mitch Haley wrote: tyler wrote: Less voltage drop across cables = more current flowing through circuit Ohm's law states I=V/R But ohm's law is for resistive loads, not inductive. In some cases, starter current can go UP as voltage to the starter goes down. I thought you had an

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?

2009-05-27 Thread Jim Cathey
Inductance? In a DC motor? I know that switch DC is non-cyclic AC - but after half a second, that should no longer apply. Then there is no inductance. Right? Not right. The clue: commutator. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?

2009-05-27 Thread Fmiser
Jim Cathey wrote: Inductance? In a DC motor? I know that switch DC is non-cyclic AC - but after half a second, that should no longer apply. Then there is no inductance. Right? Not right. The clue: commutator. Doh!! DC switch on and off every rotation *sigh* Letsee, what

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?

2009-05-26 Thread Curt Raymond
- Original Message - From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 10:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? Typically, as the battery loses capacity (or the plate separators  die), it will charge more and more.  Check

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?

2009-05-26 Thread Rich Thomas
a year or two until I traded the truck... -Curt Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 22:23:54 -0400 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: a90a66d49034441ca7047bb3d62be...@wiltonpc Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?

2009-05-26 Thread Dwight E. Giles, Jr
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? Call 1800mercedes and they will come and sell/install a battery for a reasonable price, so I have learned from the list. --R Curt Raymond wrote: Sure it will, once you get it started. Got AAA? They'll sell you a battery and install for free in your yard. Negotiate

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?

2009-05-26 Thread ernest breakfield
okay. The battery lasted a year or two until I traded the truck... -Curt Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 22:23:54 -0400 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: a90a66d49034441ca7047bb3d62be...@wiltonpc Content-Type

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?

2009-05-26 Thread Mitch Haley
Rich Thomas wrote: Call 1800mercedes and they will come and sell/install a battery for a reasonable price, so I have learned from the list. Delivery and install is free. Just find out what your local dealer wants for the battery first. A few years ago, it was something like $110 for a MBZ

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?

2009-05-26 Thread WILTON
'Point is I don't plan to trust it outside of the yard now. Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? Sure it will, once you get it started. Got AAA

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?

2009-05-26 Thread WILTON
I'll just go get a bat and put it in myself. 'Don't have to put up with somebody else's BS. Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? Sure

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?

2009-05-26 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:44 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: I'll just go get a bat and put it in myself.  'Don't have to put up with somebody else's BS. Attaboy! ;) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?

2009-05-26 Thread Fmiser
Rich Thomas wrote: Call 1800mercedes and they will come and sell/install a battery for a reasonable price, so I have learned from the list. Mitch Haley wrote: Delivery and install is free. Just find out what your local dealer wants for the battery first. A few years ago, it was

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?

2009-05-26 Thread Dwight E. Giles, Jr
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? Anyone know the distance they will likely travel? Is 100 miles (160 km) to far? --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?

2009-05-26 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:40 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: What do you guys know about Duralast Gold batteries at Auto Zone or Energizer at Sam's? I don't know about the Gold ones, but I've been disappointed with the Duralast Red line ( the next quality level down from Gold, I think).

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?

2009-05-26 Thread Mitch Haley
WILTON wrote: I'll just go get a bat and put it in myself. 'Don't have to put up with somebody else's BS. But will it have a pretty blue star on it? (seriously, if the price is reasonably close, I like opening the hood and looking at a MBZ battery instead of a off-name Duralast or a green

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?

2009-05-26 Thread Mitch Haley
WILTON wrote: What do you guys know about Duralast Gold batteries at Auto Zone or Energizer at Sam's? No idea who makes Energizer. My 300SD came with a plain 7 year old Duralast and a bad Climate Control servo that drained the battery. Battery was worthless after the 2nd time I let the CC

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?

2009-05-26 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: By the way, the AGM batteries don't vent acidic gas and promote rust like plain lead acid do. That might make it worth spending $150 on one. Many people swear by Optimas for this reason. Alex

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?

2009-05-26 Thread brian . toscano
Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 16:28:46 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? WILTON wrote: What do you guys know about Duralast Gold batteries at Auto Zone

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?

2009-05-26 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I have never had any trouble with them. Very convenient for me, if it does die I can take it back and swap it out. WILTON wrote: What do you guys know about Duralast Gold batteries at Auto Zone or Energizer at Sam's? Wilton -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?

2009-05-26 Thread Curt Raymond
IIRC Marshall said Johnson Controls makes pretty much all batteries anyway... I've got Autozone bats in both my 240D and 190D. The one in the 240D is, lessee, 4 years old now and works just fine. The one in the 190D is a year or two I forget. Neither has given me any trouble at all. -Curt

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?

2009-05-26 Thread Curt Raymond
: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID:     f7b6bd1a0905261304x1d3e4623k5aa3d0729548e...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:40 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: What do you guys know about Duralast

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?

2009-05-26 Thread tyler
When did these problems start? I've had the same Optima Red top for 9 years now, and it works just like new despite severe abuse- numerous deep discharges, and it has even been stored discharged. It's also seen a lot of rough roads including rallycross, and Baja. I have been amazed by this

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?

2009-05-26 Thread brian . toscano
Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: tyler casi...@usermail.com Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 14:12:08 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? When did these problems start? I've had the same Optima Red top for 9 years now, and it works

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?

2009-05-26 Thread tyler
I did some searching online and found that Optima was a small Swedish company that was sold in the summer of 2000 (probably after my battery that still works was made) to Wisconsin based Johnson Controls, Inc. It's hard to imagine that US ownership would reduce the quality of a fine Swedish

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?

2009-05-26 Thread Mitch Haley
tyler wrote: When did these problems start? I've had the same Optima Red top for 9 years now, and it works just like new despite severe abuse- numerous deep discharges, and it has even been stored discharged. It's also seen a lot of rough roads including rallycross, and Baja. I have been

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?

2009-05-26 Thread WILTON
Just got home with a Die Hard. I'll put it in tomorrow. Wilton - Original Message - From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 1:28

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?

2009-05-26 Thread Russ Williams
Hi Wilton, Haven't used them in years. Now have Advance Auto's Autocraft Battery in both of my 240's. 7 year warranty for the first 4 years the Replacement is Free after that it's pro rated. My first one lasted 3 years 11 mts and 20 days before the cold got it this winter. They tested it. Yep

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?

2009-05-26 Thread ernest breakfield
why would we think an AGM batt would not outgas when charging? they have vents; (they're very subtle on the Optimas, but they're there) wouldn't they be for just this purpose? as for Optimas, they don't list anything for my '85 300D, and the closest thing that would fit doesn't have the

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?

2009-05-25 Thread Peter Frederick
Typically, as the battery loses capacity (or the plate separators die), it will charge more and more. Check the electrolyte level -- if low, I'd just toss a 9 year old battery and get a new one, it's very likely croaked and the NEXT time it won't start the car it will be somewhat less

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?

2009-05-25 Thread WILTON
I agree wholeheartedly; 'doubt I'll move it out of the yard without a new battery. Wilton - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 10:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery

Re: [MBZ] Dead Battery - 1994 E320 Coupe

2007-11-01 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, work
Its probably at the end of its life. But, as a test, next time with the battery charged just unhook the negative cable for storage and when you get back see if its still charged when you hook it back up. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message -

Re: [MBZ] Dead Battery - 1994 E320 Coupe

2007-11-01 Thread Loren Faeth
7 years is very good. buy a new battery At 11:58 AM 11/1/2007, you wrote: How long is a battery in a 1994 battery supposed to last. I travel quite a bit so the car sits in my garage for a week at a time but that should not kill the battery so I am assuming the battery has reached the end of

Re: [MBZ] Dead Battery - 1994 E320 Coupe

2007-11-01 Thread Rich Thomas
Here in Houston I am lucky to get 4 years out of a battery -- hot here. If you leave the car sit for a week or two or longer, put one of those battery tenders on it. --R Loren Faeth wrote: 7 years is very good. buy a new battery ___

Re: [MBZ] Dead Battery - 1994 E320 Coupe

2007-11-01 Thread Jim Cathey
How long is a battery in a 1994 battery supposed to last. About Y2k. They don't owe you anything after about 5 years. Cars with parasitic drains, clocks, etc., seem to be much harder on batteries than those simpler ones that predate such things. -- Jim ___

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