Re: [MBZ] Dead battery
Maybe I should just drive the car to a flaps and have them test it in situ. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 4, 2022, at 8:45 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: > > I don’t think so. It fluctuates a little but not much. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 4, 2022, at 7:58 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: >> >> >>> >>> I’d say yes while revving the engine but at idle it seems high and >>> furthermore the voltage doesn’t change while revving engine. It’s >>> permanently around 14V which doesn’t seem right to me. >> >> It does seem odd. Does your meter have a peak-hold function that you >> accidentally triggered? >> >> -- Jim >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery
I don’t think so. It fluctuates a little but not much. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 4, 2022, at 7:58 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: > > >> >> I’d say yes while revving the engine but at idle it seems high and >> furthermore the voltage doesn’t change while revving engine. It’s >> permanently around 14V which doesn’t seem right to me. > > It does seem odd. Does your meter have a peak-hold function that you > accidentally triggered? > > -- Jim > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery
> I’d say yes while revving the engine but at idle it seems high and > furthermore the voltage doesn’t change while revving engine. It’s permanently > around 14V which doesn’t seem right to me. It does seem odd. Does your meter have a peak-hold function that you accidentally triggered? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery
I’d say yes while revving the engine but at idle it seems high and furthermore the voltage doesn’t change while revving engine. It’s permanently around 14V which doesn’t seem right to me. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 4, 2022, at 7:23 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > > I thought that was the optimum charging voltage - it is for my airplane's > flooded lead acid battery anyway. > >> On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 2:56 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> Ok, so I’m guessing then that the voltage regulator is the culprit >> considering the overcharging condition? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> On Apr 4, 2022, at 3:49 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: >>> >>> amp draw between ground and the negative terminal of the battery and I >> only got about 3.4 mA. It is my understanding that 50 mA is the cut off for >> a excessive parasitic draw so I’m not sure why my battery is discharging >> by just sitting idle for a few days. >>> >>> Not all loads are steady. Could be time- or light-driven, for example. >>> >>> -- Jim >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > > -- > OK Don > > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > pause and reflect." Mark Twain > > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher > Von Braun > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery
I thought that was the optimum charging voltage - it is for my airplane's flooded lead acid battery anyway. On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 2:56 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Ok, so I’m guessing then that the voltage regulator is the culprit > considering the overcharging condition? > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 4, 2022, at 3:49 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: > > > > > >> > >> amp draw between ground and the negative terminal of the battery and I > only got about 3.4 mA. It is my understanding that 50 mA is the cut off for > a excessive parasitic draw so I’m not sure why my battery is discharging > by just sitting idle for a few days. > > > > Not all loads are steady. Could be time- or light-driven, for example. > > > > -- Jim > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery
Ok, so I’m guessing then that the voltage regulator is the culprit considering the overcharging condition? Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 4, 2022, at 3:49 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: > > >> >> amp draw between ground and the negative terminal of the battery and I only >> got about 3.4 mA. It is my understanding that 50 mA is the cut off for a >> excessive parasitic draw so I’m not sure why my battery is discharging by >> just sitting idle for a few days. > > Not all loads are steady. Could be time- or light-driven, for example. > > -- Jim > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery
> amp draw between ground and the negative terminal of the battery and I only > got about 3.4 mA. It is my understanding that 50 mA is the cut off for a > excessive parasitic draw so I’m not sure why my battery is discharging by > just sitting idle for a few days. Not all loads are steady. Could be time- or light-driven, for example. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery
Ok, I did some more troubleshooting. I charged up the battery and with the engine running it reads 14.14 V across the terminals. While revving the engine the voltage across the terminal is still 14.14 V, so that indicates to me and overcharging condition as 14.1 V without revving the engine is excessive. I then tried to measure the amp draw between ground and the negative terminal of the battery and I only got about 3.4 mA. It is my understanding that 50 mA is the cut off for a excessive parasitic draw so I’m not sure why my battery is discharging by just sitting idle for a few days. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 3, 2022, at 3:15 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: > > Remove VR. If parasitic drain of alternator goes down, it was > the VR. If it does not, it is the diodes. > > -- Jim > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery
Isn't there a procedure for narrowing down the possibilities by disconnecting fuses one by one? On Sun, Apr 3, 2022 at 5:26 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Yes, I would suspect the alternator or at least it would be the first > thing I would try to eliminate as the cause. > > On Sat, Apr 2, 2022, at 6:49 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: > > The w124 300D 2.5 sat for one week and battery is now dead (11.18v). > > Battery is a few months old, alternator I replaced 2 years ago with > > Bosch reman. I haven’t done any troubleshooting yet. Nothing left on > > like dome light etc. What could be culprit here? Is it possible/likely > > that alternator is bad again? > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery
Yes, I would suspect the alternator or at least it would be the first thing I would try to eliminate as the cause. On Sat, Apr 2, 2022, at 6:49 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: > The w124 300D 2.5 sat for one week and battery is now dead (11.18v). > Battery is a few months old, alternator I replaced 2 years ago with > Bosch reman. I haven’t done any troubleshooting yet. Nothing left on > like dome light etc. What could be culprit here? Is it possible/likely > that alternator is bad again? > > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery
Thank you. I had no idea that a voltage regulator could cause a parasitic drain. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 3, 2022, at 3:15 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: > > Remove VR. If parasitic drain of alternator goes down, it was > the VR. If it does not, it is the diodes. > > -- Jim > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery
Remove VR. If parasitic drain of alternator goes down, it was the VR. If it does not, it is the diodes. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery
Well under door lights (courtesy lights) work fine. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 2, 2022, at 9:06 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes > wrote: > > I believe so. It’s been a while since I’ve dealt with this, One of the 400Es > I had experienced this issue. > > -D > >> On Apr 2, 2022, at 6:03 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: >> >> So the relay is bad when the under door lights don’t come on when door is >> open? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> On Apr 2, 2022, at 8:37 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> Also known as the “puddle light” relay, it’s in a near inaccessible >>> location behind the instrument cluster. I can’t recall the failure mode, >>> but I think the puddle lights (the lights on the bottom of the door) don’t >>> come on when the door is opened. >>> >>> -D >>> On Apr 2, 2022, at 4:37 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: I didn’t notice the dim alternator light going on. What is a courtesy relay? Sent from my iPhone >> On Apr 2, 2022, at 7:33 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes >> wrote: > > Very likely a voltage regulator in the alternator going bad. Has > happened to me a couple times now. > > If you drive at night you will see a dim glow on the alternator warning > light, nothing more. > > Also, check to make sure the courtesy relay isn’t bad, it will draw an > amp or so with the lights off when it goes bad, will drain the battery in > a couple days. > > Peter >> On Apr 2, 2022, at 5:49 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> The w124 300D 2.5 sat for one week and battery is now dead (11.18v). >> Battery is a few months old, alternator I replaced 2 years ago with >> Bosch reman. I haven’t done any troubleshooting yet. Nothing left on >> like dome light etc. What could be culprit here? Is it possible/likely >> that alternator is bad again? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery
How do I diagnose faulty voltage regulator vs other issue such as diodes? Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 2, 2022, at 9:07 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes > wrote: > > Nope. A couple of screws and the regulator comes right off the back. You > have to sort of “lever” or rotate it out of the case so the brushes clear the > opening. > > -D > >> On Apr 2, 2022, at 6:04 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Does alternator need to come out in order to replace regulator? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> On Apr 2, 2022, at 7:52 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> yes >>> On Sat, Apr 2, 2022, 7:33 PM Peter Frederick via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: Very likely a voltage regulator in the alternator going bad. Has happened to me a couple times now. If you drive at night you will see a dim glow on the alternator warning light, nothing more. Also, check to make sure the courtesy relay isn’t bad, it will draw an amp or so with the lights off when it goes bad, will drain the battery in a couple days. Peter > On Apr 2, 2022, at 5:49 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > The w124 300D 2.5 sat for one week and battery is now dead (11.18v). Battery is a few months old, alternator I replaced 2 years ago with Bosch reman. I haven’t done any troubleshooting yet. Nothing left on like dome light etc. What could be culprit here? Is it possible/likely that alternator is bad again? > > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery
yes me too. there is a difference between US reman Bosch & the ones remanufacted in India. I had a good mechanic help me figure that one out. On Sat, Apr 2, 2022, 9:45 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I've had poor luck with reman alternators in MBs, my '83 240D ate a bunch > of them, I forget how many, 5 or 6 before I finally got a good one. > > -Curt > > > On Saturday, April 2, 2022, 06:50:08 PM EDT, Dimitri Seretakis via > Mercedes wrote: > > The w124 300D 2.5 sat for one week and battery is now dead (11.18v). > Battery is a few months old, alternator I replaced 2 years ago with Bosch > reman. I haven’t done any troubleshooting yet. Nothing left on like dome > light etc. What could be culprit here? Is it possible/likely that > alternator is bad again? > > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery
I've had poor luck with reman alternators in MBs, my '83 240D ate a bunch of them, I forget how many, 5 or 6 before I finally got a good one. -Curt On Saturday, April 2, 2022, 06:50:08 PM EDT, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: The w124 300D 2.5 sat for one week and battery is now dead (11.18v). Battery is a few months old, alternator I replaced 2 years ago with Bosch reman. I haven’t done any troubleshooting yet. Nothing left on like dome light etc. What could be culprit here? Is it possible/likely that alternator is bad again? Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery
right On Sat, Apr 2, 2022, 9:07 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Nope. A couple of screws and the regulator comes right off the back. You > have to sort of “lever” or rotate it out of the case so the brushes clear > the opening. > > -D > > > On Apr 2, 2022, at 6:04 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > Does alternator need to come out in order to replace regulator? > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Apr 2, 2022, at 7:52 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> yes > >> > >>> On Sat, Apr 2, 2022, 7:33 PM Peter Frederick via Mercedes < > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> Very likely a voltage regulator in the alternator going bad. Has > happened > >>> to me a couple times now. > >>> > >>> If you drive at night you will see a dim glow on the alternator warning > >>> light, nothing more. > >>> > >>> Also, check to make sure the courtesy relay isn’t bad, it will draw an > amp > >>> or so with the lights off when it goes bad, will drain the battery in a > >>> couple days. > >>> > >>> Peter > On Apr 2, 2022, at 5:49 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > The w124 300D 2.5 sat for one week and battery is now dead (11.18v). > >>> Battery is a few months old, alternator I replaced 2 years ago with > Bosch > >>> reman. I haven’t done any troubleshooting yet. Nothing left on like > dome > >>> light etc. What could be culprit here? Is it possible/likely that > >>> alternator is bad again? > > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >>> > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery
Nope. A couple of screws and the regulator comes right off the back. You have to sort of “lever” or rotate it out of the case so the brushes clear the opening. -D > On Apr 2, 2022, at 6:04 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes > wrote: > > Does alternator need to come out in order to replace regulator? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 2, 2022, at 7:52 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> yes >> >>> On Sat, Apr 2, 2022, 7:33 PM Peter Frederick via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >>> Very likely a voltage regulator in the alternator going bad. Has happened >>> to me a couple times now. >>> >>> If you drive at night you will see a dim glow on the alternator warning >>> light, nothing more. >>> >>> Also, check to make sure the courtesy relay isn’t bad, it will draw an amp >>> or so with the lights off when it goes bad, will drain the battery in a >>> couple days. >>> >>> Peter On Apr 2, 2022, at 5:49 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: The w124 300D 2.5 sat for one week and battery is now dead (11.18v). >>> Battery is a few months old, alternator I replaced 2 years ago with Bosch >>> reman. I haven’t done any troubleshooting yet. Nothing left on like dome >>> light etc. What could be culprit here? Is it possible/likely that >>> alternator is bad again? Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery
I believe so. It’s been a while since I’ve dealt with this, One of the 400Es I had experienced this issue. -D > On Apr 2, 2022, at 6:03 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: > > So the relay is bad when the under door lights don’t come on when door is > open? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 2, 2022, at 8:37 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Also known as the “puddle light” relay, it’s in a near inaccessible >> location behind the instrument cluster. I can’t recall the failure mode, but >> I think the puddle lights (the lights on the bottom of the door) don’t come >> on when the door is opened. >> >> -D >> >>> On Apr 2, 2022, at 4:37 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> I didn’t notice the dim alternator light going on. What is a courtesy relay? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> > On Apr 2, 2022, at 7:33 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes > wrote: Very likely a voltage regulator in the alternator going bad. Has happened to me a couple times now. If you drive at night you will see a dim glow on the alternator warning light, nothing more. Also, check to make sure the courtesy relay isn’t bad, it will draw an amp or so with the lights off when it goes bad, will drain the battery in a couple days. Peter > On Apr 2, 2022, at 5:49 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes > wrote: > > The w124 300D 2.5 sat for one week and battery is now dead (11.18v). > Battery is a few months old, alternator I replaced 2 years ago with Bosch > reman. I haven’t done any troubleshooting yet. Nothing left on like dome > light etc. What could be culprit here? Is it possible/likely that > alternator is bad again? > > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery
Does alternator need to come out in order to replace regulator? Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 2, 2022, at 7:52 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes > wrote: > > yes > >> On Sat, Apr 2, 2022, 7:33 PM Peter Frederick via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> Very likely a voltage regulator in the alternator going bad. Has happened >> to me a couple times now. >> >> If you drive at night you will see a dim glow on the alternator warning >> light, nothing more. >> >> Also, check to make sure the courtesy relay isn’t bad, it will draw an amp >> or so with the lights off when it goes bad, will drain the battery in a >> couple days. >> >> Peter >>> On Apr 2, 2022, at 5:49 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >>> The w124 300D 2.5 sat for one week and battery is now dead (11.18v). >> Battery is a few months old, alternator I replaced 2 years ago with Bosch >> reman. I haven’t done any troubleshooting yet. Nothing left on like dome >> light etc. What could be culprit here? Is it possible/likely that >> alternator is bad again? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery
So the relay is bad when the under door lights don’t come on when door is open? Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 2, 2022, at 8:37 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes > wrote: > > Also known as the “puddle light” relay, it’s in a near inaccessible location > behind the instrument cluster. I can’t recall the failure mode, but I think > the puddle lights (the lights on the bottom of the door) don’t come on when > the door is opened. > > -D > >> On Apr 2, 2022, at 4:37 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> I didn’t notice the dim alternator light going on. What is a courtesy relay? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> On Apr 2, 2022, at 7:33 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> Very likely a voltage regulator in the alternator going bad. Has happened >>> to me a couple times now. >>> >>> If you drive at night you will see a dim glow on the alternator warning >>> light, nothing more. >>> >>> Also, check to make sure the courtesy relay isn’t bad, it will draw an amp >>> or so with the lights off when it goes bad, will drain the battery in a >>> couple days. >>> >>> Peter On Apr 2, 2022, at 5:49 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote: The w124 300D 2.5 sat for one week and battery is now dead (11.18v). Battery is a few months old, alternator I replaced 2 years ago with Bosch reman. I haven’t done any troubleshooting yet. Nothing left on like dome light etc. What could be culprit here? Is it possible/likely that alternator is bad again? Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery
Also known as the “puddle light” relay, it’s in a near inaccessible location behind the instrument cluster. I can’t recall the failure mode, but I think the puddle lights (the lights on the bottom of the door) don’t come on when the door is opened. -D > On Apr 2, 2022, at 4:37 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes > wrote: > > I didn’t notice the dim alternator light going on. What is a courtesy relay? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 2, 2022, at 7:33 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Very likely a voltage regulator in the alternator going bad. Has happened >> to me a couple times now. >> >> If you drive at night you will see a dim glow on the alternator warning >> light, nothing more. >> >> Also, check to make sure the courtesy relay isn’t bad, it will draw an amp >> or so with the lights off when it goes bad, will drain the battery in a >> couple days. >> >> Peter >>> On Apr 2, 2022, at 5:49 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> The w124 300D 2.5 sat for one week and battery is now dead (11.18v). >>> Battery is a few months old, alternator I replaced 2 years ago with Bosch >>> reman. I haven’t done any troubleshooting yet. Nothing left on like dome >>> light etc. What could be culprit here? Is it possible/likely that >>> alternator is bad again? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery
Alternator diodes can also get leaky in the reverse direction. Just take an ammeter to it and see the drain, directly. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery
yes On Sat, Apr 2, 2022, 7:33 PM Peter Frederick via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Very likely a voltage regulator in the alternator going bad. Has happened > to me a couple times now. > > If you drive at night you will see a dim glow on the alternator warning > light, nothing more. > > Also, check to make sure the courtesy relay isn’t bad, it will draw an amp > or so with the lights off when it goes bad, will drain the battery in a > couple days. > > Peter > > On Apr 2, 2022, at 5:49 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > The w124 300D 2.5 sat for one week and battery is now dead (11.18v). > Battery is a few months old, alternator I replaced 2 years ago with Bosch > reman. I haven’t done any troubleshooting yet. Nothing left on like dome > light etc. What could be culprit here? Is it possible/likely that > alternator is bad again? > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery
regulator? On Sat, Apr 2, 2022, 6:50 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > The w124 300D 2.5 sat for one week and battery is now dead (11.18v). > Battery is a few months old, alternator I replaced 2 years ago with Bosch > reman. I haven’t done any troubleshooting yet. Nothing left on like dome > light etc. What could be culprit here? Is it possible/likely that > alternator is bad again? > > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery
Yes but I never use radio. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 2, 2022, at 7:24 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > > > Do you have an automatic antenna? If so, maybe it's shorting out. > >> On Sat, Apr 2, 2022, 6:50 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes >> wrote: >> The w124 300D 2.5 sat for one week and battery is now dead (11.18v). Battery >> is a few months old, alternator I replaced 2 years ago with Bosch reman. I >> haven’t done any troubleshooting yet. Nothing left on like dome light etc. >> What could be culprit here? Is it possible/likely that alternator is bad >> again? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery
I didn’t notice the dim alternator light going on. What is a courtesy relay? Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 2, 2022, at 7:33 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes > wrote: > > Very likely a voltage regulator in the alternator going bad. Has happened > to me a couple times now. > > If you drive at night you will see a dim glow on the alternator warning > light, nothing more. > > Also, check to make sure the courtesy relay isn’t bad, it will draw an amp or > so with the lights off when it goes bad, will drain the battery in a couple > days. > > Peter >> On Apr 2, 2022, at 5:49 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> The w124 300D 2.5 sat for one week and battery is now dead (11.18v). Battery >> is a few months old, alternator I replaced 2 years ago with Bosch reman. I >> haven’t done any troubleshooting yet. Nothing left on like dome light etc. >> What could be culprit here? Is it possible/likely that alternator is bad >> again? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery
Very likely a voltage regulator in the alternator going bad. Has happened to me a couple times now. If you drive at night you will see a dim glow on the alternator warning light, nothing more. Also, check to make sure the courtesy relay isn’t bad, it will draw an amp or so with the lights off when it goes bad, will drain the battery in a couple days. Peter > On Apr 2, 2022, at 5:49 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes > wrote: > > The w124 300D 2.5 sat for one week and battery is now dead (11.18v). Battery > is a few months old, alternator I replaced 2 years ago with Bosch reman. I > haven’t done any troubleshooting yet. Nothing left on like dome light etc. > What could be culprit here? Is it possible/likely that alternator is bad > again? > > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery
Do you have an automatic antenna? If so, maybe it's shorting out. On Sat, Apr 2, 2022, 6:50 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > The w124 300D 2.5 sat for one week and battery is now dead (11.18v). > Battery is a few months old, alternator I replaced 2 years ago with Bosch > reman. I haven’t done any troubleshooting yet. Nothing left on like dome > light etc. What could be culprit here? Is it possible/likely that > alternator is bad again? > > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery resurrection?
> Floyd wrote: > Any other recommendations for how to see if it > might have some more life in it? I know some of y'all have done > some weird magic on them to get some more life out of them. An "equalizing" charge. Which is really just intentionally overcharging to "clean" the plates. Be user to monitor the electrolyte level while doing this as it does boil off. https://shop.pkys.com/Battery-Equalization_ep_44.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery resurrection?
Check the fluid levels. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC On April 21, 2019 7:23:01 PM EDT, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: >The daughter unit was visiting last week and her battery in the E320 >apparently died at the store up the road, I was off somewhere so she >came back to the house and went to NAPA in my truck to buy a new one >($168!) as that was the closest place on the island here with a >battery. I got home and went to put it in the car, but it was a small >battery not the big one like Benzes use (H8? I think it is). So anyway > >we put it in the car to get it started to get it home. I had an older >battery from one of the Benzes that I kept in the truck as a spare for >jumps or whatever, and kept it charged up on the charger occasionally. > >So I gave her that one and she took the other small one back to get her > >money refunded. It all worked out. > >The battery from her car was a Mercedes battery dated 4/14, was in the >car when we bought it a coupla years ago, which being 5 years old I >guess was a reasonable life for it though I might expect a bit more. >Anyway, I have it and put it on the charger at 2A, gonna see if I can >get it juiced back up or if it is truly dead. Any other >recommendations >for how to see if it might have some more life in it? I know some of >y'all have done some weird magic on them to get some more life out of >them. > >-- >--FT > > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com > >To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery resurrection?
I have a Mercedes battery from the S210 wagon that is dated 2001, I believe. I keep it on a maintenance charger as a “shelf” battery. Despite it kicking the bucket in the wagon, it’s come through a couple of times since as a backup when necessary. I wouldn’t rely on it long term, but it’s good to have as a backup. I’ve never done anything to it other than just put it on the HF maintenance charger. -D > On Apr 21, 2019, at 7:23 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes > wrote: > > The daughter unit was visiting last week and her battery in the E320 > apparently died at the store up the road, I was off somewhere so she came > back to the house and went to NAPA in my truck to buy a new one ($168!) as > that was the closest place on the island here with a battery. I got home and > went to put it in the car, but it was a small battery not the big one like > Benzes use (H8? I think it is). So anyway we put it in the car to get it > started to get it home. I had an older battery from one of the Benzes that I > kept in the truck as a spare for jumps or whatever, and kept it charged up on > the charger occasionally. So I gave her that one and she took the other > small one back to get her money refunded. It all worked out. > > The battery from her car was a Mercedes battery dated 4/14, was in the car > when we bought it a coupla years ago, which being 5 years old I guess was a > reasonable life for it though I might expect a bit more. Anyway, I have it > and put it on the charger at 2A, gonna see if I can get it juiced back up or > if it is truly dead. Any other recommendations for how to see if it might > have some more life in it? I know some of y'all have done some weird magic > on them to get some more life out of them. > > -- > --FT > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery SDL
So, if the alternator warning light comes on, and then goes out when the alternator starts charging, I can pretty much guarantee the ignition switch is NOT preventing the alternator from charging. The ignition switch *might* be causing a current draw which drains the battery faster than the alternator can charge it, but probably not unless the draw is from the starter running continuously. They already said the alternator would fix it and proved themselves wrong a few hundred dollars later, I'd get it running, unplug the glow plug harness or remove the strip fuse from the glow plug relay and get it home. Mitch. > On January 16, 2019 at 2:25 PM Patrick Atuonah via Mercedes > wrote: > > > The idiot lights comes on and goes off when engine is running and idling. > Once the battery is charged for a few minutes, the engine fires up. When > key is turned to off and engine stops, car won't start again because the > battery has no juice. > > Car is with the dealer who diagnosed ignition switch. Special > ordered.. $700 had > me stumped.. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery yesterday
Max Dillon wrote: Accidentally left an interior light on in my E300 over the weekend, Monday morning no crank no start. Tried jumping with boat battery which is wintering in the garage, but no joy. Used SWMBO's car; my lovely assistant had to hold the idle speed above 2k rpm, and then my cheapo Hazard Fraught jumper cables delivered enough electrons to both glow the plugs and spin the starter, and she fired right up. Yeah, those big diesel batteries require a lot of current to recharge. Even with heavy cables, the battery will be drawing most of the current supplied by the jumper cables - until the battery is at least mostly recovered. The boat battery may have been enough on it's own - but it doesn't surprise me that it couldn't both charge and start your car. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery
Excellent, thanks Mitch! $25 rebate card should be on its way to my mailbox. The link below for Advance did not take me directly to the correct page, it was a generic rebate search page, but entering 10020 yielded the desired result. -Max -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 2:46 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery Advance has a $25 rebate until 12-31-2012, and the usual $40 off coupons. http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/topic_view.php?catid=18threadid=1231931sta rt=40 https://advanceautoparts.4myrebate.com/Claim/OfferDetailsNewGrid/?Offercd=AA P-10020 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery in 240D
its H8 I believe. On 12/8/2012 10:26 AM, Gerry Archer wrote: Many thanks to all who offered suggestions on batteries. Drove my 240D to Advance Auto thinking it had the two year old Advance battery. I was wrong; it had a 7 year old Autozone battery. Still planned to buy an Advance battery since it was the cheapest with the rebate, but found that I would have to go home, order and pay for the battery by email, and then go back and get the battery. Since I wasn't sure how many starts were left in the dragging battery, I went on to Walmart and got one. (Sams club is about 30 miles further.) Total cost was $117.xx. It was the same size as a group 49 battery but had a different number. The receipt is in the car and I'll look up the group designation if anyone wants to know. Gerry From: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com I bought a battery from Advance Auto about 2 years ago. I opened the cells at home and found one cell with no visible electrolyte. The amount of distilled water it took to fill it up would make it seem that the acid had been added but not the water. Advance Auto would not give me a different battery when I took it back the same day. They said that they never open the cells and that I should not have opened the cells. The starter has been dragging for the past couple of days, so I'm going down to Autozone and get it tested today. I've had good luck with Autozone on batteries. Gerry From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net Any recommendations for a maker of good batteries these days? Looks like the Auto Zone Gold battery in my wife's Infiniti has died, just over three years old, only about 22k miles. Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2634/5443 - Release Date: 12/07/12 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2634/5443 - Release Date: 12/07/12 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2793 / Virus Database: 2634/5934 - Release Date: 12/03/12 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery
From what I hear they are like everything else...made cheap with a big warranty with the company hoping for failures like yours; just out of the warranty period. I buy mine from Wally Mart. Supposed to be made by Johnson Control who is supposed to be good. I have had a few failures in my trucks but I am pretty hard on them at times. Price is usually cheaper and you can't throw a stone and not hit a Walmart these days so warranty claims are usually quick and easy. FLAPS seem to be more money, same warranty, same crap and less store hours and locations to return them to. Mike On Dec 7, 2012 8:48 AM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Any recommendations for a maker of good batteries these days? Looks like the Auto Zone Gold battery in my wife's Infiniti has died, just over three years old, only about 22k miles. Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.comwrote: From what I hear they are like everything else...made cheap with a big warranty with the company hoping for failures like yours; just out of the warranty period. I buy mine from Wally Mart. Supposed to be made by Johnson Control who is supposed to be good. I have had a few failures in my trucks but I am pretty hard on them at times. Price is usually cheaper and you can't throw a stone and not hit a Walmart these days so warranty claims are usually quick and easy. FLAPS seem to be more money, same warranty, same crap and less store hours and locations to return them to. Along those lines I noticed the Sam's Club group 49 batteries are still about $100 but now have a three year warranty. Much better than the crummy two year warranty I got with the last one, which took five years to fail... Best, -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I bought a battery from Advance Auto about 2 years ago. I opened the cells at home and found one cell with no visible electrolyte. The amount of distilled water it took to fill it up would make it seem that the acid had been added but not the water. Advance Auto would not give me a different battery when I took it back the same day. They said that they never open the cells and that I should not have opened the cells. The starter has been dragging for the past couple of days, so I'm going down to Autozone and get it tested today. I've had good luck with Autozone on batteries. Gerry From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net Any recommendations for a maker of good batteries these days? Looks like the Auto Zone Gold battery in my wife's Infiniti has died, just over three years old, only about 22k miles. Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2634/5443 - Release Date: 12/07/12 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I just bought the Wallymart version, same 3 years, came to $125 with tax and I kept my old battery. Worth more at the salvage yard. Mike On Dec 7, 2012 9:56 AM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: From what I hear they are like everything else...made cheap with a big warranty with the company hoping for failures like yours; just out of the warranty period. I buy mine from Wally Mart. Supposed to be made by Johnson Control who is supposed to be good. I have had a few failures in my trucks but I am pretty hard on them at times. Price is usually cheaper and you can't throw a stone and not hit a Walmart these days so warranty claims are usually quick and easy. FLAPS seem to be more money, same warranty, same crap and less store hours and locations to return them to. Along those lines I noticed the Sam's Club group 49 batteries are still about $100 but now have a three year warranty. Much better than the crummy two year warranty I got with the last one, which took five years to fail... Best, -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Gerry Archer wrote: I bought a battery from Advance Auto about 2 years ago. I opened the cells at home and found one cell with no visible electrolyte. The amount of distilled water it took to fill it up would make it seem that the acid had been added but not the water. Advance Auto would not give me a different battery when I took it back the same day. They said that they never open the cells and that I should not have opened the cells. I'd have gone back the next day and returned the battery. Car wouldn't start even with a new battery so I don't need the battery I returned a battery at WalMart once, cost me the core battery I'd given them but I got my money back without a quibble. The starter has been dragging for the past couple of days, so I'm going down to Autozone and get it tested today. I've had good luck with Autozone on batteries. I'd just use the warranty and make AA eat it, if it's the gold one it should be free replacement for two years and pro-rated for something like the next five. Did you year about the AZ boycott? http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/autozone-fires-worker-who-stopped-robbery.html http://www.facebook.com/pages/boycott-autozone/266704685473 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have used new batteries from Costco and Interstate, and have found Interstate to be the better of the two. Typically I don't buy batteries, usually I go down to the marine shop I used to work at and grab a discharged battery off of the core rack that has a recent date code, charge it and test it. 75% of the time it will be a good battery since the morons who work there don't know how to test a battery. I have also gotten two from the recycle section of the local landfill transfer station, both around a year old and tested good after charging. This practice is why I have a universal battery box in the trunk of my 240d and none under the hood. Dave L. -- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2012 08:48:25 -0500 From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Dead battery Message-ID: uruj8c89m3rv7f4gf09y961c.1354888105...@email.android.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Any recommendations for a maker of good batteries these days? Looks like the Auto Zone Gold battery in my wife's Infiniti has died, just over three years old, only about 22k miles. Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD '73 Balboa 20 -- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mine was Advance as well, not Auto Zone. I charged it for a couple hours, car started just fine, so I let it idle for ten minutes or so, then shut it off, and an hour later it had a hard time starting. Advance gave me $52 credit from the warranty toward the purchase of a new, so now it's done. The nice thing about Advance is that they are close to the house and will install the battery, so if I'm out of town my wife can get it done without me. -Max -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Gerry Archer Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 10:07 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery I bought a battery from Advance Auto about 2 years ago. I opened the cells at home and found one cell with no visible electrolyte. The amount of distilled water it took to fill it up would make it seem that the acid had been added but not the water. Advance Auto would not give me a different battery when I took it back the same day. They said that they never open the cells and that I should not have opened the cells. The starter has been dragging for the past couple of days, so I'm going down to Autozone and get it tested today. I've had good luck with Autozone on batteries. Gerry From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net Any recommendations for a maker of good batteries these days? Looks like the Auto Zone Gold battery in my wife's Infiniti has died, just over three years old, only about 22k miles. Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2634/5443 - Release Date: 12/07/12 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Advance has a $25 rebate until 12-31-2012, and the usual $40 off coupons. http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/topic_view.php?catid=18threadid=1231931start=40 https://advanceautoparts.4myrebate.com/Claim/OfferDetailsNewGrid/?Offercd=AAP-10020 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well you should still have some warranty left on it, take it back there. On 12/7/2012 7:48 AM, Max Dillon wrote: Any recommendations for a maker of good batteries these days? Looks like the Auto Zone Gold battery in my wife's Infiniti has died, just over three years old, only about 22k miles. Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2793 / Virus Database: 2634/5934 - Release Date: 12/03/12 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Dec 7, 2012, at 1:50 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Advance has a $25 rebate until 12-31-2012, and the usual $40 off coupons. http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/topic_view.php?catid=18threadid=1231931start=40 https://advanceautoparts.4myrebate.com/Claim/OfferDetailsNewGrid/?Offercd=AAP-10020 AND if you have a Chase Freedom (slavery) card, you can get an additional 5% cash back, if you purchase online by going through the Ultimate Rewards website to access the Advance Auto website. Then go pick it up at the store. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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ernest breakfield wrote: why would we think an AGM batt would not outgas when charging? they have vents; (they're very subtle on the Optimas, but they're there) wouldn't they be for just this purpose? http://www.windsun.com/Batteries/Battery_FAQ.htm#AGM,%20or%20Absorbed%20Glass%20Mat%20Batteries ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hey you forgot Jaguar. Oh, wait... ;) -Curt Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 14:29:54 -0700 From: tyler casi...@usermail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4a1c5f52.3060...@usermail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I did some searching online and found that Optima was a small Swedish company that was sold in the summer of 2000 (probably after my battery that still works was made) to Wisconsin based Johnson Controls, Inc. It's hard to imagine that US ownership would reduce the quality of a fine Swedish product! *cough* Volvo *cough* Saab *cough* excuse me I seem to be choking on the concept of suddenly reducing quality of a prestigious brand to increase short term profit... Tyler brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: You are probably safe, I think major problems started about 5 years ago. When the optima in my jeep failed suddenly at a restaurant (shorted cell) I went home and put the old optima that had been sitting on a concrete floor for a year or two and it started the jeep just fine. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/32601f62/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Marshall claimed that even with the too-small rating of the red top that it would start a diesel MB in cold weather (he lived in Pittsburgh(?) and knew about serious cold). IIRC he had several and had used them for years. -Curt Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 21:46:06 -0700 From: ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4a1cc58e.9000...@backyardengineering.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed why would we think an AGM batt would not outgas when charging? they have vents; (they're very subtle on the Optimas, but they're there) wouldn't they be for just this purpose? as for Optimas, they don't list anything for my '85 300D, and the closest thing that would fit doesn't have the same ratings. i like Optimas for what they're good for; i have my second (Red Top) Optima in my J**p partly because i didn't want to deal with cleaning up the engine compartment after another case cracked, and got almost exactly 7 years of very hard (ab)use out of the first one. Optimas quality allegedly went a long way down for a while after they were bought out and has allegedly come part way back; the one i have in there now is of the 2004 vintage and has been performing without complaint to date. unless i needed a battery that would have a very low self-discharge rate for a car that wasn't run for long periods of time, i think i'd stick with a battery that had the proper cranking amps ratings for my diesel. cheers! e -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/cf84c1f5/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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hi Mitch! that article states in one place that AGM batteries hydrogen emission is far below the 4% max specified for aircraft and enclosed spaces, and in another states completely sealed against fumes; seems like a bit of a conflict, but it's admittedly written by someone who's in the business of selling batteries, not making them... furthermore, if you look at the top of our Optimas, you can clearly see that they have vents, so the completely sealed against fumes clearly isn't necessarily true in all cases. seems to me that if Optima saw fit to put vents on their batteries, outgassing (as slight as it may be) is most likely the reason. Optima has this warning buried on their site: Overcharging can cause the safety valves to open and battery gasses to escape, resulting in premature failure. These gasses are flammable! perhaps the vent i'm seeing on the tops of the Optimas is what they're calling the safety valves, but it's apparent that even Optima believes that charging AGM batteries creates outgassing. cheers! e Mitch Haley wrote: ernest breakfield wrote: why would we think an AGM batt would not outgas when charging? they have vents; (they're very subtle on the Optimas, but they're there) wouldn't they be for just this purpose? http://www.windsun.com/Batteries/Battery_FAQ.htm#AGM,%20or%20Absorbed%20Glass%20Mat%20Batteries ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- I am crewing on the Motorcycle Safety Crew for the AIDS LifeCycle ride from SF to LA for a week in June to raise money for the fight against AIDS. To learn more and/or to donate to the cause, go here: http://www.tofighthiv.org/goto/ernestb -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/ab5d8f84/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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hi Curt! i'm a Philly-born boy that now lives near the ocean and plays in the mountains and deserts; i haven't subjected myself to Pittsburgh cold (cuz, uh, it's *Pittsburgh*?!), but with travels that have taken me to sub-zero Alberta, i'm not altogether unfamiliar with it. having been able to start our 300D using B99 after it had spent several days sitting collecting snowfall in the Sierra, i'm inclined to believe that many poor-start/no-start issues are related to poorly maintained vehicles. i mean, if we can get a standard battery to easily start a 20+ year old stock diesel car running Biodiesel, what's the problem we're trying to solve by using a battery with a *lower* rating? cheers! e Curt Raymond wrote: Marshall claimed that even with the too-small rating of the red top that it would start a diesel MB in cold weather (he lived in Pittsburgh(?) and knew about serious cold). IIRC he had several and had used them for years. -Curt Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 21:46:06 -0700 From: ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4a1cc58e.9000...@backyardengineering.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed why would we think an AGM batt would not outgas when charging? they have vents; (they're very subtle on the Optimas, but they're there) wouldn't they be for just this purpose? as for Optimas, they don't list anything for my '85 300D, and the closest thing that would fit doesn't have the same ratings. i like Optimas for what they're good for; i have my second (Red Top) Optima in my J**p partly because i didn't want to deal with cleaning up the engine compartment after another case cracked, and got almost exactly 7 years of very hard (ab)use out of the first one. Optimas quality allegedly went a long way down for a while after they were bought out and has allegedly come part way back; the one i have in there now is of the 2004 vintage and has been performing without complaint to date. unless i needed a battery that would have a very low self-discharge rate for a car that wasn't run for long periods of time, i think i'd stick with a battery that had the proper cranking amps ratings for my diesel. cheers! e -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/cf84c1f5/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- I am crewing on the Motorcycle Safety Crew for the AIDS LifeCycle ride from SF to LA for a week in June to raise money for the fight against AIDS. To learn more and/or to donate to the cause, go here: http://www.tofighthiv.org/goto/ernestb -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/bce0e1b0/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I once saw someone whom had an old Volvo 740 diesel with low compression that needed to crank really fast to start. They had two optima red tops mounted side by side in the space of the normal huge diesel battery, and they were connected in parallel directly to the starter with enormous cables (probably 4 times as thick as stock) and top quality copper connectors coated with an anti-corrosion film. I think this would be the perfect setup for anyone with an old diesel in extreme cold weather, and avoids much of the need for a block heater. I can vouch for the fact that a single optima red top will easily start a diesel in 10F weather... Tyler Curt Raymond wrote: Marshall claimed that even with the too-small rating of the red top that it would start a diesel MB in cold weather (he lived in Pittsburgh(?) and knew about serious cold). IIRC he had several and had used them for years. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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ernest breakfield wrote: Optima has this warning buried on their site: Overcharging can cause the safety valves to open and battery gasses to escape, resulting in premature failure. These gasses are flammable! perhaps the vent i'm seeing on the tops of the Optimas is what they're calling the safety valves, but it's apparent that even Optima believes that charging AGM batteries creates outgassing. I think normal charging does not, at least not faster than the battery can recombine it. If you cook the battery by severely overcharging, I bet you'd have a hissing banshee on your hands, much like the time I cooked a couple of nicads by charging at a 5C rate for half an hour. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I dunno I'm just relaying what he said... I would hazard a guess that Optima is somewhat conservative in the rating of their battery (or maybe just honest...) and other manufacturers are more than a bit optimistic. Aren't the Optima's supposed to suffer less fall off when its cold? I'm with you, I haven't had half the cold start issues with my cars that others have. That said when I lived in an apartment with nowhere to plug in there were several mornings dragging the 240D around with the pickup at -20F... Third gear, clutch out, get the wife to keep us at ~20mph, walkie talkies made everything easier since I didn't need to stick my head out the window... Then I got my extra battery so I could run the block heater with no plugin which made things so much easier although I do dearly love my timer and outside outlet now... -Curt Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 10:28:26 -0700 From: ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4a1d783a.7050...@backyardengineering.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; Format=flowed hi Curt! i'm a Philly-born boy that now lives near the ocean and plays in the mountains and deserts; i haven't subjected myself to Pittsburgh cold (cuz, uh, it's *Pittsburgh*?!), but with travels that have taken me to sub-zero Alberta, i'm not altogether unfamiliar with it. having been able to start our 300D using B99 after it had spent several days sitting collecting snowfall in the Sierra, i'm inclined to believe that many poor-start/no-start issues are related to poorly maintained vehicles. i mean, if we can get a standard battery to easily start a 20+ year old stock diesel car running Biodiesel, what's the problem we're trying to solve by using a battery with a *lower* rating? cheers! e Curt Raymond wrote: Marshall claimed that even with the too-small rating of the red top that it would start a diesel MB in cold weather (he lived in Pittsburgh(?) and knew about serious cold). IIRC he had several and had used them for years. -Curt -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/4caed0d5/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Back when I lived in the apartment and had difficulties in below 0F temps (at which point a 61x engine gets hard to start) I'd suggested getting 0 or 00 gauge battery cables for my 240D. Old 6v tractors use that size (or bigger) cables since so many amps have to get to the starter. Marshall chided me and said that the starter wouldn't draw any more amps just because the cable is bigger. I still think its a good idea, if I keep my 240D long term or get the 116 300SD my friend taunts me with I may finally do it. -Curt Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 10:38:43 -0700 From: tyler casi...@usermail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4a1d7aa3.6060...@usermail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I once saw someone whom had an old Volvo 740 diesel with low compression that needed to crank really fast to start. They had two optima red tops mounted side by side in the space of the normal huge diesel battery, and they were connected in parallel directly to the starter with enormous cables (probably 4 times as thick as stock) and top quality copper connectors coated with an anti-corrosion film. I think this would be the perfect setup for anyone with an old diesel in extreme cold weather, and avoids much of the need for a block heater. I can vouch for the fact that a single optima red top will easily start a diesel in 10F weather... Tyler Curt Raymond wrote: Marshall claimed that even with the too-small rating of the red top that it would start a diesel MB in cold weather (he lived in Pittsburgh(?) and knew about serious cold). IIRC he had several and had used them for years. -Curt -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/3c8b3c25/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I wonder why he would say that. A starter will draw more amps with a larger cable, because the resistance of the whole circuit is lower. If the starter cables are noticeably warm after a hard cranking session, then you will get a higher cranking speed with larger cables. If the starter cables (and connectors) stay cool, there's probably little benefit to be had. I could however imagine that most of the resistance probably comes from corrosion over time, and a new cable of the factory diameter, or adding a second factory cable from the junkyard would probably yield most of the benefits for less cost. Tyler Curt Raymond wrote: Back when I lived in the apartment and had difficulties in below 0F temps (at which point a 61x engine gets hard to start) I'd suggested getting 0 or 00 gauge battery cables for my 240D. Old 6v tractors use that size (or bigger) cables since so many amps have to get to the starter. Marshall chided me and said that the starter wouldn't draw any more amps just because the cable is bigger. I still think its a good idea, if I keep my 240D long term or get the 116 300SD my friend taunts me with I may finally do it. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Curt Raymond wrote: Marshall chided me and said that the starter wouldn't draw any more amps just because the cable is bigger. Maybe not, but the starter will see more voltage and spin faster because the larger cables have less voltage drop. That's what you really want anyway. To get an idea how much improvement is possible, measure cranking voltage at the battery and at the starter simultaneously. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Less voltage drop across cables = more current flowing through circuit Ohm's law states I=V/R Where I is the current, V the (fairly constant) battery voltage, and R the total circuit resistance. If the voltage drop across the cables goes down (due to their resistance, which contributes to total R), there will be a corresponding increase in total current (I), and also an increase in the power used (and therefore cranking power produced) by the starter (power=I*V=V^2/R). Tyler Mitch Haley wrote: Curt Raymond wrote: Marshall chided me and said that the starter wouldn't draw any more amps just because the cable is bigger. Maybe not, but the starter will see more voltage and spin faster because the larger cables have less voltage drop. That's what you really want anyway. To get an idea how much improvement is possible, measure cranking voltage at the battery and at the starter simultaneously. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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tyler wrote: Less voltage drop across cables = more current flowing through circuit Ohm's law states I=V/R But ohm's law is for resistive loads, not inductive. In some cases, starter current can go UP as voltage to the starter goes down. I thought you had an education in physics? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I was assuming that the starter would be approximately ohmic over the range of voltages provided by different cables. Perhaps this is a wrong assumption? If so, I apologize- I'm really not sure. I imagine it would depend on the design and load of the motor. Tyler Mitch Haley wrote: But ohm's law is for resistive loads, not inductive. In some cases, starter current can go UP as voltage to the starter goes down. I thought you had an education in physics? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I think his contention was that the stock cables were big enough and short enough that nothing I could put in would be any serious kind of improvement... -Curt Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 16:47:57 -0400 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4a1da6fd.10...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Curt Raymond wrote: Marshall chided me and said that the starter wouldn't draw any more amps just because the cable is bigger. Maybe not, but the starter will see more voltage and spin faster because the larger cables have less voltage drop. That's what you really want anyway. To get an idea how much improvement is possible, measure cranking voltage at the battery and at the starter simultaneously. Mitch. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/b35e4d06/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Thats true but Curt's first law of entropy says it probably doesn't matter. I used to be able to get my 240D to start at -10F. That was with a real good battery, 0w40 oil, new glow plugs and lotsa luck. Below that absolutely required the block heater or a tug from the pickup, and a serious tug at that... So if the thicker cables made it start at -11F, so what? Is the gain worth the effort and cost is the question. When I was living in the apartment and powering the block heater ment hauling the 50# battery down to the car yeah I'd probably have cared. With a 60x engine (like my 190D) I don't think I'd have cared. I haven't got as much data (it hasn't been as cold interestingly) but my 190D lights off real good at 0F where the 240D would have a tougher time so I'm convinced it's bottom starting temp will be lower than the 240D. I haven't had an opportunity to find out yet. -Curt Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 13:57:26 -0700 From: tyler casi...@usermail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4a1da936.50...@usermail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Less voltage drop across cables = more current flowing through circuit Ohm's law states I=V/R Where I is the current, V the (fairly constant) battery voltage, and R the total circuit resistance. If the voltage drop across the cables goes down (due to their resistance, which contributes to total R), there will be a corresponding increase in total current (I), and also an increase in the power used (and therefore cranking power produced) by the starter (power=I*V=V^2/R). Tyler Mitch Haley wrote: Curt Raymond wrote: Marshall chided me and said that the starter wouldn't draw any more amps just because the cable is bigger. Maybe not, but the starter will see more voltage and spin faster because the larger cables have less voltage drop. That's what you really want anyway. To get an idea how much improvement is possible, measure cranking voltage at the battery and at the starter simultaneously. Mitch. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090527/42c50c3b/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Curt Raymond wrote: I think his contention was that the stock cables were big enough and short enough that nothing I could put in would be any serious kind of improvement... Aha, the Marshall theory of Mercedes engineers know more about car design than you do. Which, generally speaking, holds true, I guess. They would be less likely to underspec the cables than, say, Generous Motors. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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We used to make battery cables out of welding cable cutoffs and scraps, which would typically be 4/0 cable with a rubber jacket and very, very fine conductors (not like a 4/0 that would be used for building wiring, for example.) I can say that in every instance where I did this, and I did it on many different cars, both domestic and foreign, there was a noticeable difference in cranking speed. I would add that we also used soldered battery terminals and solid copper high pressure crimp lugs on the ends, too, so the electrical and mechanical connections were quite robust. I can remember one car in particular that improved so substantially from this mod that you only had to tap the ignition key to start it Dan --- On Wed, 5/27/09, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 6:57 PM Curt Raymond wrote: I think his contention was that the stock cables were big enough and short enough that nothing I could put in would be any serious kind of improvement... Aha, the Marshall theory of Mercedes engineers know more about car design than you do. Which, generally speaking, holds true, I guess. They would be less likely to underspec the cables than, say, Generous Motors. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You have a good point, and it's probably what Marshall was getting at. Of course, as cables age and corrode their resistance can get higher, and eventually need replacement- especially if battery acid has seeped down the length of the cable, which is pretty common unless the car has always been used with sealed batteries. In comparison of my 190DT to the aforementioned Volvo 760 Turbo Diesel (retrofitted with larger cables)- I noticed that the 190DT has a much thicker starter cable, and that the battery is located much closer to the starter. Both engines are about the same size and compression ratio. Where I live the lowest temperature ever recorded was 22F, so I'm not too concerned about starting my 190DT. In fact, I currently have a few bad glow plugs which I haven't gotten around to replacing yet because it still fires up on the first crank every time. Maybe this weekend once I get the garage cleared out Tyler Mitch Haley wrote: Curt Raymond wrote: I think his contention was that the stock cables were big enough and short enough that nothing I could put in would be any serious kind of improvement... Aha, the Marshall theory of Mercedes engineers know more about car design than you do. Which, generally speaking, holds true, I guess. They would be less likely to underspec the cables than, say, Generous Motors. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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To get an idea how much improvement is possible, measure cranking voltage at the battery and at the starter simultaneously. Better, and easier, is to measure the voltage between the battery post and the starter terminal. (And for grins, between the battery's other post and the engine block.) While cranking. It should be low. The lower the better. But ohm's law is for resistive loads, not inductive. In some cases, starter current can go UP as voltage to the starter goes down. Ohm's law is for everybody, but if you're talking about reactive loads you are talking about impedance, not resistance. (Which includes phase angle, and you won't get that from your garden-variety DMM.) I suspect that the effect is negligible here, especially under heavy mechanical load. Inductance can only make the problem _worse_, by encouraging extra resistive losses in the imperfect cable. And I'm not sure how batteries respond to highly reactive loads. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mitch Haley wrote: tyler wrote: Less voltage drop across cables = more current flowing through circuit Ohm's law states I=V/R But ohm's law is for resistive loads, not inductive. In some cases, starter current can go UP as voltage to the starter goes down. I thought you had an education in physics? Mitch. Inductance? In a DC motor? I know that switch DC is non-cyclic AC - but after half a second, that should no longer apply. Then there is no inductance. Right? --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Inductance? In a DC motor? I know that switch DC is non-cyclic AC - but after half a second, that should no longer apply. Then there is no inductance. Right? Not right. The clue: commutator. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Jim Cathey wrote: Inductance? In a DC motor? I know that switch DC is non-cyclic AC - but after half a second, that should no longer apply. Then there is no inductance. Right? Not right. The clue: commutator. Doh!! DC switch on and off every rotation *sigh* Letsee, what can I blame this slip on uhm, err. I, ermm. It was the cat. Yeah. The cat was, uuuh, singing. Yup. Singing. Would you believe there were 45 cats in the room with me, all singing. (Our Get Smart parody for the day...) -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Sure it will, once you get it started. Got AAA? They'll sell you a battery and install for free in your yard. Negotiate what you're getting for a battery and how much it'll cost FIRST though. My wife had one put into the Dakota because she'd left the dome light on overnight. The guy came, jump started the truck, let it run for 2 seconds, shut it off and of course it wouldn't restart. He said See, its a bad battery (2 year old Diehard). Sold her a new monster battery that old one is too small anyway (geez it'd worked fine for 2 years) for $120. I was pissed, I'd only paid $90 for the Diehard 2 years ago! I called AAA and told them how this guy had jacked my wife and I wasn't going to stand for it. They couldn't refund her money since its a sale through the tow company but gave us 2 years free AAA. Then I called the Tow company and complained to them since I checked the part numbers and the new battery wasn't the right model and the old one was and got 2 free oil changes. So in the end we came out okay. The battery lasted a year or two until I traded the truck... -Curt Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 22:23:54 -0400 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: a90a66d49034441ca7047bb3d62be...@wiltonpc Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response I agree wholeheartedly; 'doubt I'll move it out of the yard without a new battery. Wilton - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 10:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? Typically, as the battery loses capacity (or the plate separators die), it will charge more and more. Check the electrolyte level -- if low, I'd just toss a 9 year old battery and get a new one, it's very likely croaked and the NEXT time it won't start the car it will be somewhat less convenient. Peter -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090526/613a2e1d/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Call 1800mercedes and they will come and sell/install a battery for a reasonable price, so I have learned from the list. --R Curt Raymond wrote: Sure it will, once you get it started. Got AAA? They'll sell you a battery and install for free in your yard. Negotiate what you're getting for a battery and how much it'll cost FIRST though. My wife had one put into the Dakota because she'd left the dome light on overnight. The guy came, jump started the truck, let it run for 2 seconds, shut it off and of course it wouldn't restart. He said See, its a bad battery (2 year old Diehard). Sold her a new monster battery that old one is too small anyway (geez it'd worked fine for 2 years) for $120. I was pissed, I'd only paid $90 for the Diehard 2 years ago! I called AAA and told them how this guy had jacked my wife and I wasn't going to stand for it. They couldn't refund her money since its a sale through the tow company but gave us 2 years free AAA. Then I called the Tow company and complained to them since I checked the part numbers and the new battery wasn't the right model and the old one was and got 2 free oil changes. So in the end we came out okay. The battery lasted a year or two until I traded the truck... -Curt Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 22:23:54 -0400 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: a90a66d49034441ca7047bb3d62be...@wiltonpc Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response I agree wholeheartedly; 'doubt I'll move it out of the yard without a new battery. Wilton - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 10:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? Typically, as the battery loses capacity (or the plate separators die), it will charge more and more. Check the electrolyte level -- if low, I'd just toss a 9 year old battery and get a new one, it's very likely croaked and the NEXT time it won't start the car it will be somewhat less convenient. Peter -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090526/613a2e1d/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090526/1f93b41c/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yes-I once called 1 800Mercedes to jump my other 240D-they came with an ML full of batteries-I didn't buy one but he said he had the correct battery for the diesel with him. (Group 49 IIRC?) Didn't ask price but the last Interstate I bought was about 129. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles. 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles. (SOLD). 1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 12:45 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? Call 1800mercedes and they will come and sell/install a battery for a reasonable price, so I have learned from the list. --R Curt Raymond wrote: Sure it will, once you get it started. Got AAA? They'll sell you a battery and install for free in your yard. Negotiate what you're getting for a battery and how much it'll cost FIRST though. My wife had one put into the Dakota because she'd left the dome light on overnight. The guy came, jump started the truck, let it run for 2 seconds, shut it off and of course it wouldn't restart. He said See, its a bad battery (2 year old Diehard). Sold her a new monster battery that old one is too small anyway (geez it'd worked fine for 2 years) for $120. I was pissed, I'd only paid $90 for the Diehard 2 years ago! I called AAA and told them how this guy had jacked my wife and I wasn't going to stand for it. They couldn't refund her money since its a sale through the tow company but gave us 2 years free AAA. Then I called the Tow company and complained to them since I checked the part numbers and the new battery wasn't the right model and the old one was and got 2 free oil changes. So in the end we came out okay. The battery lasted a year or two until I traded the truck... -Curt Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 22:23:54 -0400 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: a90a66d49034441ca7047bb3d62be...@wiltonpc Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response I agree wholeheartedly; 'doubt I'll move it out of the yard without a new battery. Wilton - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 10:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? Typically, as the battery loses capacity (or the plate separators die), it will charge more and more. Check the electrolyte level -- if low, I'd just toss a 9 year old battery and get a new one, it's very likely croaked and the NEXT time it won't start the car it will be somewhat less convenient. Peter -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090526/61 3a2e1d/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090526/1f 93b41c/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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+1 i needed a new batt in our '85 a few years ago; shopping around, 1-800-Mercedes had a price within a few dollars of the next best price i could find for the proper size and rated batt. they came out to the house, tested the old batt, tested the charging system, installed a new proper MBZ batt and hauled away the old batt and were done in fairly short order. for the very few dollars i might have saved by installing a new one myself, it wasn't worth the effort, and i wouldn't have had the benefit of testing or batt disposal. cheers! e Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote: Yes-I once called 1 800Mercedes to jump my other 240D-they came with an ML full of batteries-I didn't buy one but he said he had the correct battery for the diesel with him. (Group 49 IIRC?) Didn't ask price but the last Interstate I bought was about 129. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles. 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles. (SOLD). 1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 12:45 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? Call 1800mercedes and they will come and sell/install a battery for a reasonable price, so I have learned from the list. --R Curt Raymond wrote: Sure it will, once you get it started. Got AAA? They'll sell you a battery and install for free in your yard. Negotiate what you're getting for a battery and how much it'll cost FIRST though. My wife had one put into the Dakota because she'd left the dome light on overnight. The guy came, jump started the truck, let it run for 2 seconds, shut it off and of course it wouldn't restart. He said See, its a bad battery (2 year old Diehard). Sold her a new monster battery that old one is too small anyway (geez it'd worked fine for 2 years) for $120. I was pissed, I'd only paid $90 for the Diehard 2 years ago! I called AAA and told them how this guy had jacked my wife and I wasn't going to stand for it. They couldn't refund her money since its a sale through the tow company but gave us 2 years free AAA. Then I called the Tow company and complained to them since I checked the part numbers and the new battery wasn't the right model and the old one was and got 2 free oil changes. So in the end we came out okay. The battery lasted a year or two until I traded the truck... -Curt Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 22:23:54 -0400 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: a90a66d49034441ca7047bb3d62be...@wiltonpc Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response I agree wholeheartedly; 'doubt I'll move it out of the yard without a new battery. Wilton - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 10:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? Typically, as the battery loses capacity (or the plate separators die), it will charge more and more. Check the electrolyte level -- if low, I'd just toss a 9 year old battery and get a new one, it's very likely croaked and the NEXT time it won't start the car it will be somewhat less convenient. Peter -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090526/61 3a2e1d/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090526/1f 93b41c/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- I am crewing on the Motorcycle Safety Crew for the AIDS LifeCycle ride from SF to LA for a week in June to raise money for the fight against AIDS. To learn more and/or to donate to the cause, go here: http://www.tofighthiv.org/goto/ernestb -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail
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Rich Thomas wrote: Call 1800mercedes and they will come and sell/install a battery for a reasonable price, so I have learned from the list. Delivery and install is free. Just find out what your local dealer wants for the battery first. A few years ago, it was something like $110 for a MBZ group 49, as opposed to $90 for an Interstate, but I think the MBZ may have gone up faster since then. If they are still under $125, the delivery and install makes it quite the deal. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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'Point is I don't plan to trust it outside of the yard now. Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? Sure it will, once you get it started. Got AAA? They'll sell you a battery and install for free in your yard. Negotiate what you're getting for a battery and how much it'll cost FIRST though. My wife had one put into the Dakota because she'd left the dome light on overnight. The guy came, jump started the truck, let it run for 2 seconds, shut it off and of course it wouldn't restart. He said See, its a bad battery (2 year old Diehard). Sold her a new monster battery that old one is too small anyway (geez it'd worked fine for 2 years) for $120. I was pissed, I'd only paid $90 for the Diehard 2 years ago! I called AAA and told them how this guy had jacked my wife and I wasn't going to stand for it. They couldn't refund her money since its a sale through the tow company but gave us 2 years free AAA. Then I called the Tow company and complained to them since I checked the part numbers and the new battery wasn't the right model and the old one was and got 2 free oil changes. So in the end we came out okay. The battery lasted a year or two until I traded the truck... -Curt Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 22:23:54 -0400 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: a90a66d49034441ca7047bb3d62be...@wiltonpc Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response I agree wholeheartedly; 'doubt I'll move it out of the yard without a new battery. Wilton - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 10:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? Typically, as the battery loses capacity (or the plate separators die), it will charge more and more. Check the electrolyte level -- if low, I'd just toss a 9 year old battery and get a new one, it's very likely croaked and the NEXT time it won't start the car it will be somewhat less convenient. Peter -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090526/613a2e1d/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'll just go get a bat and put it in myself. 'Don't have to put up with somebody else's BS. Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? Sure it will, once you get it started. Got AAA? They'll sell you a battery and install for free in your yard. Negotiate what you're getting for a battery and how much it'll cost FIRST though. My wife had one put into the Dakota because she'd left the dome light on overnight. The guy came, jump started the truck, let it run for 2 seconds, shut it off and of course it wouldn't restart. He said See, its a bad battery (2 year old Diehard). Sold her a new monster battery that old one is too small anyway (geez it'd worked fine for 2 years) for $120. I was pissed, I'd only paid $90 for the Diehard 2 years ago! I called AAA and told them how this guy had jacked my wife and I wasn't going to stand for it. They couldn't refund her money since its a sale through the tow company but gave us 2 years free AAA. Then I called the Tow company and complained to them since I checked the part numbers and the new battery wasn't the right model and the old one was and got 2 free oil changes. So in the end we came out okay. The battery lasted a year or two until I traded the truck... -Curt Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 22:23:54 -0400 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: a90a66d49034441ca7047bb3d62be...@wiltonpc Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response I agree wholeheartedly; 'doubt I'll move it out of the yard without a new battery. Wilton - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 10:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? Typically, as the battery loses capacity (or the plate separators die), it will charge more and more. Check the electrolyte level -- if low, I'd just toss a 9 year old battery and get a new one, it's very likely croaked and the NEXT time it won't start the car it will be somewhat less convenient. Peter -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090526/613a2e1d/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:44 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: I'll just go get a bat and put it in myself. 'Don't have to put up with somebody else's BS. Attaboy! ;) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Rich Thomas wrote: Call 1800mercedes and they will come and sell/install a battery for a reasonable price, so I have learned from the list. Mitch Haley wrote: Delivery and install is free. Just find out what your local dealer wants for the battery first. A few years ago, it was something like $110 for a MBZ group 49, as opposed to $90 for an Interstate, but I think the MBZ may have gone up faster since then. If they are still under $125, the delivery and install makes it quite the deal. Anyone know the distance they will likely travel? Is 100 miles (160 km) to far? --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Here is the roadside assistance brochure-they say within 30 miles of dealership but make no mention of batteries in the driveway.Looks like they contract out if no dealer is nearby. http://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/data/pdf/serviceandparts/roadside_assistance_b rochure.pdf Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles. 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles. (SOLD). 1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Fmiser Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 3:49 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? Anyone know the distance they will likely travel? Is 100 miles (160 km) to far? --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:40 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: What do you guys know about Duralast Gold batteries at Auto Zone or Energizer at Sam's? I don't know about the Gold ones, but I've been disappointed with the Duralast Red line ( the next quality level down from Gold, I think). Dave Meimann used to recommend the Red as the cheapest group 49 battery with a decent warranty. But I've had two of those (in two different cars, my 300D and my '93 Trooper) last only through three mild Pacific Northwest winters before giving up the ghost. Covered under warranty, but it's still a pain to have to go back to Autozone and exchange them. The FLAPS I live nearest now is a NAPA, so I'm planning to buy their top-of-the-line model next time I need a new battery and see how it holds up. Wilton, I know you don't need me to tell you this, but if I were you I would stick with whatever brand you had in the SDL that gave you nine years of service---that's exceptional longevity for a battery regardless of price! Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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WILTON wrote: I'll just go get a bat and put it in myself. 'Don't have to put up with somebody else's BS. But will it have a pretty blue star on it? (seriously, if the price is reasonably close, I like opening the hood and looking at a MBZ battery instead of a off-name Duralast or a green Interstate) Running it dead flat after nine years surely killed the battery if it didn't die of old age. The only question is whether the car will charge the new battery or will it go flat again. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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WILTON wrote: What do you guys know about Duralast Gold batteries at Auto Zone or Energizer at Sam's? No idea who makes Energizer. My 300SD came with a plain 7 year old Duralast and a bad Climate Control servo that drained the battery. Battery was worthless after the 2nd time I let the CC kill it. Not bad for two years past warranty. I replaced it with a Duralast (same series, but this one warranted for 7 years) around 2004 or so. Johnson Controls battery, but probably not equal to the Interstate version. I lost track of whether MBZ was selling Varta or Johnson. Duralast Gold is probably in the same class as Diehard or Interstate. Maybe even Interstate Megatron for all I know. By the way, the AGM batteries don't vent acidic gas and promote rust like plain lead acid do. That might make it worth spending $150 on one. I forget which brand Marshall used. They are smaller, and it takes some fiddling to make the cables reach the terminals without putting stress on them. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: By the way, the AGM batteries don't vent acidic gas and promote rust like plain lead acid do. That might make it worth spending $150 on one. Many people swear by Optimas for this reason. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Optimas have quality control problems. The originals seem to last forever but the new ones are hit or miss and can fail in under 3 years. There is one that is better rated but I can't recall the name. It is available rebranded from Sears as a Die Hard Platinum. Regards, Brian Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 16:28:46 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? WILTON wrote: What do you guys know about Duralast Gold batteries at Auto Zone or Energizer at Sam's? No idea who makes Energizer. My 300SD came with a plain 7 year old Duralast and a bad Climate Control servo that drained the battery. Battery was worthless after the 2nd time I let the CC kill it. Not bad for two years past warranty. I replaced it with a Duralast (same series, but this one warranted for 7 years) around 2004 or so. Johnson Controls battery, but probably not equal to the Interstate version. I lost track of whether MBZ was selling Varta or Johnson. Duralast Gold is probably in the same class as Diehard or Interstate. Maybe even Interstate Megatron for all I know. By the way, the AGM batteries don't vent acidic gas and promote rust like plain lead acid do. That might make it worth spending $150 on one. I forget which brand Marshall used. They are smaller, and it takes some fiddling to make the cables reach the terminals without putting stress on them. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have never had any trouble with them. Very convenient for me, if it does die I can take it back and swap it out. WILTON wrote: What do you guys know about Duralast Gold batteries at Auto Zone or Energizer at Sam's? Wilton -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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IIRC Marshall said Johnson Controls makes pretty much all batteries anyway... I've got Autozone bats in both my 240D and 190D. The one in the 240D is, lessee, 4 years old now and works just fine. The one in the 190D is a year or two I forget. Neither has given me any trouble at all. -Curt Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 15:40:04 -0400 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Subject: [MBZ] Dead battery? To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 2ac965eda3b546a6847771c9023f4...@wiltonpc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 What do you guys know about Duralast Gold batteries at Auto Zone or Energizer at Sam's? Wilton -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090526/27701fb5/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Forgot to mention mine are both red line cheapies. If you want a really high quality battery get an Optima, yes it looks to small, no it doesn't have the rating you'd expect, yes it'll be fine. -Curt Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 13:04:56 -0700 From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: f7b6bd1a0905261304x1d3e4623k5aa3d0729548e...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:40 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: What do you guys know about Duralast Gold batteries at Auto Zone or Energizer at Sam's? I don't know about the Gold ones, but I've been disappointed with the Duralast Red line ( the next quality level down from Gold, I think). Dave Meimann used to recommend the Red as the cheapest group 49 battery with a decent warranty. But I've had two of those (in two different cars, my 300D and my '93 Trooper) last only through three mild Pacific Northwest winters before giving up the ghost. Covered under warranty, but it's still a pain to have to go back to Autozone and exchange them. The FLAPS I live nearest now is a NAPA, so I'm planning to buy their top-of-the-line model next time I need a new battery and see how it holds up. Wilton, I know you don't need me to tell you this, but if I were you I would stick with whatever brand you had in the SDL that gave you nine years of service---that's exceptional longevity for a battery regardless of price! Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090526/b2e2f102/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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When did these problems start? I've had the same Optima Red top for 9 years now, and it works just like new despite severe abuse- numerous deep discharges, and it has even been stored discharged. It's also seen a lot of rough roads including rallycross, and Baja. I have been amazed by this battery, and would be very disappointed to find it can't be replaced with one of similar quality when (if?) it ever dies. Tyler brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Optimas have quality control problems. The originals seem to last forever but the new ones are hit or miss and can fail in under 3 years. There is one that is better rated but I can't recall the name. It is available rebranded from Sears as a Die Hard Platinum. Regards, Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?
You are probably safe, I think major problems started about 5 years ago. When the optima in my jeep failed suddenly at a restaurant (shorted cell) I went home and put the old optima that had been sitting on a concrete floor for a year or two and it started the jeep just fine. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: tyler casi...@usermail.com Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 14:12:08 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? When did these problems start? I've had the same Optima Red top for 9 years now, and it works just like new despite severe abuse- numerous deep discharges, and it has even been stored discharged. It's also seen a lot of rough roads including rallycross, and Baja. I have been amazed by this battery, and would be very disappointed to find it can't be replaced with one of similar quality when (if?) it ever dies. Tyler brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: Optimas have quality control problems. The originals seem to last forever but the new ones are hit or miss and can fail in under 3 years. There is one that is better rated but I can't recall the name. It is available rebranded from Sears as a Die Hard Platinum. Regards, Brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?
I did some searching online and found that Optima was a small Swedish company that was sold in the summer of 2000 (probably after my battery that still works was made) to Wisconsin based Johnson Controls, Inc. It's hard to imagine that US ownership would reduce the quality of a fine Swedish product! *cough* Volvo *cough* Saab *cough* excuse me I seem to be choking on the concept of suddenly reducing quality of a prestigious brand to increase short term profit... Tyler brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: You are probably safe, I think major problems started about 5 years ago. When the optima in my jeep failed suddenly at a restaurant (shorted cell) I went home and put the old optima that had been sitting on a concrete floor for a year or two and it started the jeep just fine. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?
tyler wrote: When did these problems start? I've had the same Optima Red top for 9 years now, and it works just like new despite severe abuse- numerous deep discharges, and it has even been stored discharged. It's also seen a lot of rough roads including rallycross, and Baja. I have been amazed by this battery, and would be very disappointed to find it can't be replaced with one of similar quality when (if?) it ever dies. I can't remember if Marshall (rest his soul) wanted us to use Red or Yellow. At any rate, if Optima (Marshall's brand) went downhill, is Orbital still OK? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?
Just got home with a Die Hard. I'll put it in tomorrow. Wilton - Original Message - From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: By the way, the AGM batteries don't vent acidic gas and promote rust like plain lead acid do. That might make it worth spending $150 on one. Many people swear by Optimas for this reason. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?
Hi Wilton, Haven't used them in years. Now have Advance Auto's Autocraft Battery in both of my 240's. 7 year warranty for the first 4 years the Replacement is Free after that it's pro rated. My first one lasted 3 years 11 mts and 20 days before the cold got it this winter. They tested it. Yep it's Dead the guy tells me and replaced it no questions asked. Russ W. WILTON wrote: What do you guys know about Duralast Gold batteries at Auto Zone or Energizer at Sam's? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?
why would we think an AGM batt would not outgas when charging? they have vents; (they're very subtle on the Optimas, but they're there) wouldn't they be for just this purpose? as for Optimas, they don't list anything for my '85 300D, and the closest thing that would fit doesn't have the same ratings. i like Optimas for what they're good for; i have my second (Red Top) Optima in my J**p partly because i didn't want to deal with cleaning up the engine compartment after another case cracked, and got almost exactly 7 years of very hard (ab)use out of the first one. Optimas quality allegedly went a long way down for a while after they were bought out and has allegedly come part way back; the one i have in there now is of the 2004 vintage and has been performing without complaint to date. unless i needed a battery that would have a very low self-discharge rate for a car that wasn't run for long periods of time, i think i'd stick with a battery that had the proper cranking amps ratings for my diesel. cheers! e Mitch Haley wrote: By the way, the AGM batteries don't vent acidic gas and promote rust like plain lead acid do. That might make it worth spending $150 on one. I forget which brand Marshall used. They are smaller, and it takes some fiddling to make the cables reach the terminals without putting stress on them. Mitch. -- I am crewing on the Motorcycle Safety Crew for the AIDS LifeCycle ride from SF to LA for a week in June to raise money for the fight against AIDS. To learn more and/or to donate to the cause, go here: http://www.tofighthiv.org/goto/ernestb ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?
Typically, as the battery loses capacity (or the plate separators die), it will charge more and more. Check the electrolyte level -- if low, I'd just toss a 9 year old battery and get a new one, it's very likely croaked and the NEXT time it won't start the car it will be somewhat less convenient. Peter On May 25, 2009, at 7:08 PM, WILTON wrote: SWMBO was headed out for a little while this afternoon; 'came back in a few minutes later to inform me, Battery in the 350SDL is dead. She took the 87 300D, and I went out to investigate the battery; 'found nothing left ON, 'cept usual stuff such as clock, etc. Bat too weak to turn engine adequately for starting. Battery is a 60-month Interstate only 9 years old - 'can't depend on anything any more. ;)) 'Charging aux bat pack now for starting the car tomorrow to check alternator, etc. 'Didn't notice any Bat/alt light on the trip last weekend. 'Glad it held 'til it was sitting in the yard to die. Wilton 91 350SDSL (192 kmi) 87 300D (112 kmi) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/ attachments/20090525/9704a9da/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead battery?
I agree wholeheartedly; 'doubt I'll move it out of the yard without a new battery. Wilton - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 10:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Dead battery? Typically, as the battery loses capacity (or the plate separators die), it will charge more and more. Check the electrolyte level -- if low, I'd just toss a 9 year old battery and get a new one, it's very likely croaked and the NEXT time it won't start the car it will be somewhat less convenient. Peter On May 25, 2009, at 7:08 PM, WILTON wrote: SWMBO was headed out for a little while this afternoon; 'came back in a few minutes later to inform me, Battery in the 350SDL is dead. She took the 87 300D, and I went out to investigate the battery; 'found nothing left ON, 'cept usual stuff such as clock, etc. Bat too weak to turn engine adequately for starting. Battery is a 60-month Interstate only 9 years old - 'can't depend on anything any more. ;)) 'Charging aux bat pack now for starting the car tomorrow to check alternator, etc. 'Didn't notice any Bat/alt light on the trip last weekend. 'Glad it held 'til it was sitting in the yard to die. Wilton 91 350SDSL (192 kmi) 87 300D (112 kmi) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/ attachments/20090525/9704a9da/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead Battery - 1994 E320 Coupe
Its probably at the end of its life. But, as a test, next time with the battery charged just unhook the negative cable for storage and when you get back see if its still charged when you hook it back up. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 FSBO Supervisor - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 11:58 AM Subject: [MBZ] Dead Battery - 1994 E320 Coupe How long is a battery in a 1994 battery supposed to last. I travel quite a bit so the car sits in my garage for a week at a time but that should not kill the battery so I am assuming the battery has reached the end of its life. I bought the car 7 years ago and have never replaced the battery. Thanks in advance, David ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead Battery - 1994 E320 Coupe
7 years is very good. buy a new battery At 11:58 AM 11/1/2007, you wrote: How long is a battery in a 1994 battery supposed to last. I travel quite a bit so the car sits in my garage for a week at a time but that should not kill the battery so I am assuming the battery has reached the end of its life. I bought the car 7 years ago and have never replaced the battery. Thanks in advance, David ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead Battery - 1994 E320 Coupe
Here in Houston I am lucky to get 4 years out of a battery -- hot here. If you leave the car sit for a week or two or longer, put one of those battery tenders on it. --R Loren Faeth wrote: 7 years is very good. buy a new battery ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead Battery - 1994 E320 Coupe
How long is a battery in a 1994 battery supposed to last. About Y2k. They don't owe you anything after about 5 years. Cars with parasitic drains, clocks, etc., seem to be much harder on batteries than those simpler ones that predate such things. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
