Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[clay via Mercedes]

The back country hill folk Scots Irish were transported or came as indentured 
service.   When George and his boys were emancipated, the less desirable people 
ended up down under.   In the south, the scots tended to not like the english, 
so kept moving west to get away from them.  Holler by holler the rural areas 
were populated.   Much turmoil under the Stuart kings, and residue when George 
I ascended the throne that kept unhappy people finding safer grounds in America.

clay




On Dec 3, 2015, at 7:03 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:

> Certainly not the case with my Yankee ancestors.  Considering the non-slave
> populations of Northern vs. Southern states (pre 1860) and the fact the
> potato famine was 1845-1860, probably not the case for most Scots-Irish.
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From:  Rich Thomas via Mercedes
>> 
>> Scots Irish were imported to this area to run the plantations and be the
>> overseers of the slaves.  Buckras.  They seemed to have some sort of
> affinity
>> or background in that role but I forget what it was.
>> Apparently a lot of them came over to do that.
>> 
>> --R
> 
> 
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
> 
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> 
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
> 


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

This is a pretty good website about Scots and Scots-Irish and their immigration 
to America, especially if you scroll down to the immigration chapter.
A history book claimed that the Scots came looking for business opportunities 
while the Irish came looking for jobs, it gave a list of prominent Scots 
business men such as Carnegie of U.S.Steel as examples.
Gerry

http://www.everyculture.com/multi/Pa-Sp/Scottish-and-Scotch-Irish-Americans.html


Scott Ritchey wrote:
> Certainly not the case with my Yankee ancestors.  Considering the non-slave 
> populations of Northern vs. Southern states (pre 1860) and the fact the 
> potato famine was 1845-1860, probably not the case for most Scots-Irish.
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From:  Rich Thomas via Mercedes
> > 
> > Scots Irish were imported to this area to run the plantations and be the
> > overseers of the slaves.  Buckras.  They seemed to have some sort of
> affinity
> > or background in that role but I forget what it was.
> > Apparently a lot of them came over to do that.
> > 
> > --R
> 
> 
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
> 
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> 
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
> 
> 
> 
> -
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 2015.0.6176 / Virus Database: 4477/11108 - Release Date: 12/04/15
> 


-- 
arche...@embarqmail.com 

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Scots Irish were imported to this area to run the plantations and be the 
overseers of the slaves.  Buckras.  They seemed to have some sort of 
affinity or background in that role but I forget what it was.  
Apparently a lot of them came over to do that.


--R

On 12/2/15 9:12 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote:

Scots irish are sort of frowned upon as not being real irish, as they were an 
invading protestant mob relocated to Ireland to steal the land from the good 
Catholics.  A cause of great unrest and division that is still not put to bed.

clay

On Dec 2, 2015, at 4:17 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:


On Wed, 2 Dec 2015 12:08:20 -0500
WILTON via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


My SWMBO is a McGregor.

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: "Randy Bennell via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: "Randy Bennell" <rbenn...@bennell.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2015 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors



On 02/12/2015 10:50 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Just for the record.. I'm quite glad the Kilt has remained knee length
and
has not progressed to the "mini kilt" like skirts.

On that Kilt issue.. can a Kilt be worn in court as acceptable dress?
Just
curious.



Probably acceptable. I have a bit of Scottish blood but not enough to make
me want to get and wear a kilt.
My uncle Ross ( the husband of my mother's sister - so not blood uncle)
has a very nice Scottish dress kilt and waistcoat etc.
His name is McGregor so he fits into the bunch who claim that heritage.

RB


Maternal grandmothers name was Dowty or Douty, or something like that, and she 
was Scots-Irish IIRC. Is that Scots, Irish, or what?
Gerry...who is German, Belgian, British Isles, and 2% to 4% Amerindian 
genetically.
Gerry

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com



___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com





___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Scots Irish were imported to this area to run the plantations and be 
the overseers of the slaves.  Buckras.  They seemed to have some 
sort of affinity or background in that role but I forget what it 
was.  Apparently a lot of them came over to do that.


--R


Oh!  I thought you were saying the Scots were imported into Ireland 
to oversee the slaves there.  I was a little surprised at the use of 
the term slaves, because the Scots and Brits never used that term for 
the Irish, although that is essentially what happened.


Then I figured out you were referring to this country.  Yes, the 
Scots form Ireland had an certain affinity or background for 
overseeing slaves.


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

My area, pretty much ground zero for slavery in the US.  I have not 
researched the reasoning, etc. behind that historical artifact, probably 
because they wanted/needed jobs, there were jobs here, etc.  Not sure if 
they had any special talents for the job but I recall someone saying 
that but don't remember the details.  Will find out more.


--R

On 12/3/15 1:38 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
Scots Irish were imported to this area to run the plantations and be 
the overseers of the slaves. Buckras.  They seemed to have some sort 
of affinity or background in that role but I forget what it was.  
Apparently a lot of them came over to do that.


--R


Oh!  I thought you were saying the Scots were imported into Ireland to 
oversee the slaves there.  I was a little surprised at the use of the 
term slaves, because the Scots and Brits never used that term for the 
Irish, although that is essentially what happened.


Then I figured out you were referring to this country.  Yes, the Scots 
form Ireland had an certain affinity or background for overseeing slaves.


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com





___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Certainly not the case with my Yankee ancestors.  Considering the non-slave
populations of Northern vs. Southern states (pre 1860) and the fact the
potato famine was 1845-1860, probably not the case for most Scots-Irish.

> -Original Message-
> From:  Rich Thomas via Mercedes
> 
> Scots Irish were imported to this area to run the plantations and be the
> overseers of the slaves.  Buckras.  They seemed to have some sort of
affinity
> or background in that role but I forget what it was.
> Apparently a lot of them came over to do that.
> 
> --R


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 01/12/2015 7:31 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Would you wear the men's or the ladies?  (Ducking)


Not much difference unless one opts for the skirt.

RB

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 01/12/2015 6:10 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

We do wear the black waist coat and robes along with the white shirt 
with the pointy collar and tabs when in superior courts.


Like this:

http://www.gaspard.ca/legal-attire/


I can just see myself showing up in court like that.
Too bad jury duty was last month (and I had a medical excuse
the only time I was called). They'd know exactly what kind of
nut I am if I showed up for jury duty in that getup.

Mitch.

___


Would not need to prove you were a nut to avoid Jury duty.
Lawyers are not eligible to sit on a Jury here.

RB

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On December 2, 2015 at 11:50 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I still say the better way is to expressly state why the person is not 
> included in the manner in which they might think they should have been.

Sound professional advice. 
And we didn't even have to pay for it. 


> 
> Would not need to prove you were a nut to avoid Jury duty.
> Lawyers are not eligible to sit on a Jury here.

I'm pretty sure they are eligible here, but I have no idea
how often they're kicked out by one side or the other. 

Tax accountants are plenty eligible, but I bet the defense
would excuse me from some cases, like embezzlement. 

Mitch.

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

One time years ago when I was looking to get out of phone support I was 
approached by the guys in inside sales.I *thought* I had a real good 
relationship with the manager so right near the end of the interview I joked "I 
don't know how to lie." which they he thought was not. funny.Went from "We 
really want you to join sales." to "If you really wanted to apply for a sales 
position we would have to consider it."
Oops. I felt bad too, I really liked the guy.
-Curt
  From: G Mann via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
Cc: G Mann <g2ma...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2015 11:40 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors
   
Damn professional liars have a dress code?

How quaint.. haha


On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 9:35 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 01/12/2015 7:31 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Would you wear the men's or the ladies?  (Ducking)
>>
>
> Not much difference unless one opts for the skirt.
>
>
> RB
>
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
>
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com


>
>
___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com



 
___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

For some of us that might give more exposure than some might want to see...

--R

On 12/2/15 11:50 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Just for the record.. I'm quite glad the Kilt has remained knee length and
has not progressed to the "mini kilt" like skirts.





___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[WILTON via Mercedes]

My SWMBO is a McGregor.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Randy Bennell via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: "Randy Bennell" <rbenn...@bennell.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2015 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors



On 02/12/2015 10:50 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
Just for the record.. I'm quite glad the Kilt has remained knee length 
and

has not progressed to the "mini kilt" like skirts.

On that Kilt issue.. can a Kilt be worn in court as acceptable dress? 
Just

curious.


Probably acceptable. I have a bit of Scottish blood but not enough to make 
me want to get and wear a kilt.
My uncle Ross ( the husband of my mother's sister - so not blood uncle) 
has a very nice Scottish dress kilt and waistcoat etc.

His name is McGregor so he fits into the bunch who claim that heritage.

RB

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com




___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

On 01/12/2015 7:31 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Would you wear the men's or the ladies?  (Ducking)


Not much difference unless one opts for the skirt.

RB


I thought that was referred to as a "Kilt" in the GWN.

http://www.glengarryhighlandgames.com/

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 02/12/2015 10:50 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Just for the record.. I'm quite glad the Kilt has remained knee length and
has not progressed to the "mini kilt" like skirts.

On that Kilt issue.. can a Kilt be worn in court as acceptable dress?  Just
curious.


Probably acceptable. I have a bit of Scottish blood but not enough to 
make me want to get and wear a kilt.
My uncle Ross ( the husband of my mother's sister - so not blood uncle) 
has a very nice Scottish dress kilt and waistcoat etc.

His name is McGregor so he fits into the bunch who claim that heritage.

RB

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Damn professional liars have a dress code?

How quaint.. haha


On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 9:35 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 01/12/2015 7:31 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Would you wear the men's or the ladies?  (Ducking)
>>
>
> Not much difference unless one opts for the skirt.
>
>
> RB
>
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
>
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
>
>
___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 02/12/2015 7:55 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:

The "He forgot me" argument is the only one that holds
any water, in the absence of spousal or minor child
support issues, and it costs the decedent merely $1
and one sentence in the will to completely scuttle
that argument.

-- Jim



That seems like the best solution, and cheaper.

___


I don't  really see the difference. I suggest that the "he forgot me" 
argument is really "he was not of sound mind when he made out this will, 
or he would not have failed to include me, or leave me only a token amount".


I still say the better way is to expressly state why the person is not 
included in the manner in which they might think they should have been.


RB

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Just for the record.. I'm quite glad the Kilt has remained knee length and
has not progressed to the "mini kilt" like skirts.

On that Kilt issue.. can a Kilt be worn in court as acceptable dress?  Just
curious.

On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 9:43 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 01/12/2015 7:31 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>>> Would you wear the men's or the ladies?  (Ducking)
>>>
>>
>> Not much difference unless one opts for the skirt.
>>
>> RB
>>
>
> I thought that was referred to as a "Kilt" in the GWN.
>
> http://www.glengarryhighlandgames.com/
>
>
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
>
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
>
>
___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

On Wed, 2 Dec 2015 12:08:20 -0500
WILTON via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> My SWMBO is a McGregor.
> 
> Wilton
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Randy Bennell via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: "Randy Bennell" <rbenn...@bennell.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2015 11:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors
> 
> 
> > On 02/12/2015 10:50 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Just for the record.. I'm quite glad the Kilt has remained knee length 
> >> and
> >> has not progressed to the "mini kilt" like skirts.
> >>
> >> On that Kilt issue.. can a Kilt be worn in court as acceptable dress? 
> >> Just
> >> curious.
> >>
> >>
> > Probably acceptable. I have a bit of Scottish blood but not enough to make 
> > me want to get and wear a kilt.
> > My uncle Ross ( the husband of my mother's sister - so not blood uncle) 
> > has a very nice Scottish dress kilt and waistcoat etc.
> > His name is McGregor so he fits into the bunch who claim that heritage.
> >
> > RB
> >
Maternal grandmothers name was Dowty or Douty, or something like that, and she 
was Scots-Irish IIRC. Is that Scots, Irish, or what?
Gerry...who is German, Belgian, British Isles, and 2% to 4% Amerindian 
genetically.
Gerry

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[clay via Mercedes]

I am out of the loop on inheritance.  SWMBA and Sister Dearest, being lawyers, 
are co-executors for Mom, when she should pass.  Mom tried to get me involved,  
I declined the honor.   I have an older sibling who may want some cash out of 
the deal, Sister Dearest is trying to make tenure at law school and is poverty 
stricken from her recent divorce.   I told Mom to blow through her cash and 
savings as she is wont.  

When my Granny passed, my oldest cousin descended upon the house and absconded 
with all manner of loot and goodies.  Granddad was still alive and would be a 
widower for another 15 years.  Minus his china, silverware, various household 
items and treasures that walked out the door.  My broke uncle took up residence 
in the homestead when Grandpa became feeble minded and moved to secured 
housing.  When the old man died, Cousin #1 swept back in and absconded with 
more stuff while her father was out.  My uncle and father kept the property for 
a few more years and cashed it out so my uncle could live a wee better for the 
next two years before passing away himself.  Cousin #1 swooped in and tried to 
abscond with her fathers treasures, but did not succeed because the locks were 
changed immediately by his son, with whom he lived.  Not that my uncle had much 
at the end.




clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








On Dec 1, 2015, at 9:51 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

> No different than when my sister got pissed because my Dad decided to put me 
> back in his will.
> 
> He and I butted heads for a long time until I was in my early 20s and he was 
> still trying to control me. I told him to piss off and that was that.
> 
> My Mom told me when they diagnosed him with esophageal cancer. Mom did not 
> meddle or judge, but in her matronly wisdom she "suggested" that I make peace 
> with my Dad or I might regret it some day.
> 
> I did, am was glad I did long after the fact. Dad had made it clear that I 
> was out of the will some time ago, which, quite honestly, didn't bother me.  
> I always figured I wouldn't be any poorer the day after.
> 
> My brother, the other banker in the family who followed in Dad's footsteps, 
> was his executor.  He told me after Dad's death that a few months before he 
> died he put me back in the will. Total surprise to me.
> 
> When my sister found out, she was pissed. Whatever.
> 
> It wasn't a lot of money, but for a young couple with minimal cash, it gave 
> us a down payment for our first house, a fitting memorial, we thought.
> 
> When money is involved, all bets are off and the nastiest things come out of 
> people.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 1, 2015, at 12:33 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On December 1, 2015 at 11:20 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Cliff contested the will. He wasn't named in it, of course. Everything was
>>> left to my Mom.
>> 
>> I understand that spouses are often guaranteed half, and that lineal 
>> descendants
>> expect a cut,
>> but if somebody has deliberately filed a will, excluding their estranged 
>> sibling
>> and leaving
>> everything to another sibling's daughter, why does a judge need to spend more
>> than five minutes
>> telling him to piss off?
>> 
>> Now I understand why a childless (and now sibling-free) friend of mine has
>> rewritten his will, not to exclude two nieces who deserve exclusion, but to
>> leave them with a tiny sum of cash. As in "Yes, I considered them when 
>> writing
>> this will, and no, I don't think they deserve over $1000 each". Sad you have 
>> to
>> so that just to keep a judge who never met you from trying to second guess 
>> your
>> intent after you're dead. 
>> 
>> Mitch.
>> 
>> ___
>> http://www.okiebenz.com
>> 
>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>> 
>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
>> 
> 
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
> 
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> 
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
> 

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

No wigs? A lawyer friend once said that when there are no more wigs 
in the courts of the British Empire, the end is in sight, as are the 
legal systems of nations based on British common law; or something 
like that.


However, we can move to Louisiana which is still under the Code Napoleon.
Gerry


Aye!  all y'all come on don!We give ya some gator etouffe'

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

No wigs? A lawyer friend once said that when there are no more wigs in the 
courts of the British Empire, the end is in sight, as are the legal systems of 
nations based on British common law; or something like that. 

However, we can move to Louisiana which is still under the Code Napoleon.
Gerry

Randy Bennell wrote:

> On 01/12/2015 6:10 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
> > Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> >> We do wear the black waist coat and robes along with the white shirt 
> >> with the pointy collar and tabs when in superior courts.
> >>
> >> Like this:
> >>
> >> http://www.gaspard.ca/legal-attire/
~~

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[clay via Mercedes]

I hope my progeny and others are brave enough to be honest if they bother to 
speak over my corpse.  All the namby-pamby sweetness bothers me.  Tell it like 
it is, as I will not give a fig.  I have warned my children that they are duty 
bound to release me swiftly from this mortal coil should I become 
incapacitated.  For a bit I worried that I might not see the coming sunrise 
after a good bender, but they did not take advantage.  I told them I will curse 
them and haunt their line for a thousand years should they choose not to put me 
down with all due haste.

clay

On Dec 1, 2015, at 1:34 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

> On 01/12/2015 3:28 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> There was an old guy around Caribou, he did some "work" for my cousins time 
>> to time. When he died his son gave the eulogy which started with "My dad was 
>> really an asshole" and devolved from there.
>> 
>> -Curt
>>  
> I wonder what the father's opinion of his son was?
> 
> RB
> 
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
> 
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> 
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
> 


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On December 1, 2015 at 10:04 PM Jim Cathey  wrote:
> 
> 
> The "He forgot me" argument is the only one that holds
> any water, in the absence of spousal or minor child
> support issues, and it costs the decedent merely $1
> and one sentence in the will to completely scuttle
> that argument.

My problem with the oversight argument is that it must be used 100x 
for every one time it really happened that way. 
If you're important enough to get a major share, it's pretty hard for
you to just entirely slip their mind while they're making out their 
will. 

Mitch.

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

The "He forgot me" argument is the only one that holds
any water, in the absence of spousal or minor child
support issues, and it costs the decedent merely $1
and one sentence in the will to completely scuttle
that argument.

-- Jim



That seems like the best solution, and cheaper.

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[clay via Mercedes]

Scots irish are sort of frowned upon as not being real irish, as they were an 
invading protestant mob relocated to Ireland to steal the land from the good 
Catholics.  A cause of great unrest and division that is still not put to bed.

clay

On Dec 2, 2015, at 4:17 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:

> On Wed, 2 Dec 2015 12:08:20 -0500
> WILTON via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> My SWMBO is a McGregor.
>> 
>> Wilton
>> 
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Randy Bennell via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> Cc: "Randy Bennell" <rbenn...@bennell.ca>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2015 11:55 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors
>> 
>> 
>>> On 02/12/2015 10:50 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>>>> Just for the record.. I'm quite glad the Kilt has remained knee length 
>>>> and
>>>> has not progressed to the "mini kilt" like skirts.
>>>> 
>>>> On that Kilt issue.. can a Kilt be worn in court as acceptable dress? 
>>>> Just
>>>> curious.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> Probably acceptable. I have a bit of Scottish blood but not enough to make 
>>> me want to get and wear a kilt.
>>> My uncle Ross ( the husband of my mother's sister - so not blood uncle) 
>>> has a very nice Scottish dress kilt and waistcoat etc.
>>> His name is McGregor so he fits into the bunch who claim that heritage.
>>> 
>>> RB
>>> 
> Maternal grandmothers name was Dowty or Douty, or something like that, and 
> she was Scots-Irish IIRC. Is that Scots, Irish, or what?
> Gerry...who is German, Belgian, British Isles, and 2% to 4% Amerindian 
> genetically.
> Gerry
> 
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
> 
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> 
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
> 


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Oh man, glad you mentioned the locks. The minute uncle Fred died cousin Phil 
hustled right over and changed the locks. I mentioned the cousin who committed 
suicide, he was taken care of in the will and his wife has gone absolutely 
crazy and money grubbing. She's accusing Phil (and strangely my Dad) of all 
sorts of mis-deeds because he changed the locks and she couldn't steal 
everything. Strangely her first husband also committed suicide...
-Curt

  From: clay via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
Cc: clay <redgh...@comcast.net>
 Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2015 7:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors
   
I am out of the loop on inheritance.  SWMBA and Sister Dearest, being lawyers, 
are co-executors for Mom, when she should pass.  Mom tried to get me involved,  
I declined the honor.  I have an older sibling who may want some cash out of 
the deal, Sister Dearest is trying to make tenure at law school and is poverty 
stricken from her recent divorce.  I told Mom to blow through her cash and 
savings as she is wont.  

When my Granny passed, my oldest cousin descended upon the house and absconded 
with all manner of loot and goodies.  Granddad was still alive and would be a 
widower for another 15 years.  Minus his china, silverware, various household 
items and treasures that walked out the door.  My broke uncle took up residence 
in the homestead when Grandpa became feeble minded and moved to secured 
housing.  When the old man died, Cousin #1 swept back in and absconded with 
more stuff while her father was out.  My uncle and father kept the property for 
a few more years and cashed it out so my uncle could live a wee better for the 
next two years before passing away himself.  Cousin #1 swooped in and tried to 
abscond with her fathers treasures, but did not succeed because the locks were 
changed immediately by his son, with whom he lived.  Not that my uncle had much 
at the end.




clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








On Dec 1, 2015, at 9:51 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

> No different than when my sister got pissed because my Dad decided to put me 
> back in his will.
> 
> He and I butted heads for a long time until I was in my early 20s and he was 
> still trying to control me. I told him to piss off and that was that.
> 
> My Mom told me when they diagnosed him with esophageal cancer. Mom did not 
> meddle or judge, but in her matronly wisdom she "suggested" that I make peace 
> with my Dad or I might regret it some day.
> 
> I did, am was glad I did long after the fact. Dad had made it clear that I 
> was out of the will some time ago, which, quite honestly, didn't bother me.  
> I always figured I wouldn't be any poorer the day after.
> 
> My brother, the other banker in the family who followed in Dad's footsteps, 
> was his executor.  He told me after Dad's death that a few months before he 
> died he put me back in the will. Total surprise to me.
> 
> When my sister found out, she was pissed. Whatever.
> 
> It wasn't a lot of money, but for a young couple with minimal cash, it gave 
> us a down payment for our first house, a fitting memorial, we thought.
> 
> When money is involved, all bets are off and the nastiest things come out of 
> people.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 1, 2015, at 12:33 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On December 1, 2015 at 11:20 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Cliff contested the will. He wasn't named in it, of course. Everything was
>>> left to my Mom.
>> 
>> I understand that spouses are often guaranteed half, and that lineal 
>> descendants
>> expect a cut,
>> but if somebody has deliberately filed a will, excluding their estranged 
>> sibling
>> and leaving
>> everything to another sibling's daughter, why does a judge need to spend more
>> than five minutes
>> telling him to piss off?
>> 
>> Now I understand why a childless (and now sibling-free) friend of mine has
>> rewritten his will, not to exclude two nieces who deserve exclusion, but to
>> leave them with a tiny sum of cash. As in "Yes, I considered them when 
>> writing
>> this will, and no, I don't think they deserve over $1000 each". Sad you have 
>> to
>> so that just to keep a judge who never met you from 

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Reminds me:   Check the 1992 movie, "My Cousin Vinny," in which defense 
attorney, Joe Pesci, is jailed for contempt of court for his choice of dress 
in Alabama court.   ;<)  Or was he merely threatened with contempt?  'Don't 
remember.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Randy Bennell via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: "Randy Bennell" <rbenn...@bennell.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors



On 01/12/2015 2:39 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Friend of ours is an "estate and probate" attorney as he refers to it.

What we really want to know is if you have to wear the powdered wigs in 
court, or if that's just in the UK?


Dan




Not in Canada, thankfully.
In England and perhaps in other countries with past ties to England.

We do wear the black waist coat and robes along with the white shirt with 
the pointy collar and tabs when in superior courts.


Like this:

http://www.gaspard.ca/legal-attire/

RB

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com





___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 01/12/2015 3:38 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

There were a series of boot to the head 
skits.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8VD4JXUozM

-Curt



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZHsjHr_hk8

This one appears to be it, but it may be in French.
I do not have speakers on this computer so cannot hear what is being said.

RB

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Englais avec sous-titres Francaise.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Randy Bennell via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>

To: "Curt Raymond" <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; "Mercedes Discussion List"
<mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: "Randy Bennell" <rbenn...@bennell.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors



On 01/12/2015 3:38 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

There were a series of boot to the head
skits.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8VD4JXUozM

-Curt



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZHsjHr_hk8

This one appears to be it, but it may be in French.
I do not have speakers on this computer so cannot hear what is being said.

RB

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com




___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Friend of ours is an "estate and probate" attorney as he refers to it.

What we really want to know is if you have to wear the powdered wigs in court, 
or if that's just in the UK?

Dan 

> On Dec 1, 2015, at 2:53 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>> On 01/12/2015 11:57 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Glad you don't do probate?
>> 
>> Dan
> Not sure what you mean.
> Probate is just the application to the Court asking to have the Will declared 
> to be acceptable and the named Executor endorsed by the Court.
> The Grant of Probate is essentially a Court Order giving the Executor the 
> power to proceed.
> 
> We do that all the time. Basic solicitors' work.
> 
> RB
> 
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
> 
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> 
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
> 

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[WILTON via Mercedes]

And I was ROTFLMAO.  ;<)

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Randy Bennell via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: "Randy Bennell" <rbenn...@bennell.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors



On 01/12/2015 3:48 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:
Reminds me:   Check the 1992 movie, "My Cousin Vinny," in which 
defense attorney, Joe Pesci, is jailed for contempt of court for his 
choice of dress in Alabama court.   ;<)  Or was he merely threatened 
with contempt?  'Don't remember.


Wilton



and the stuffy Judge had a difficult time understanding his NJ accent - 
Vinny referred to utes (youths).


RB

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com



___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

In an episode of Midsomer, which I watched last night, the will read:  "To
my unfaithful wife I leave nothing; I would leave her less if I could."

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Randy Bennell via Mercedes
> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 12:55 PM
> To: Mitch Haley <mi...@mitchellhaley.com>; Mercedes Discussion List
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: Randy Bennell <rbenn...@bennell.ca>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors
> 
> On 01/12/2015 11:33 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> > Now I understand why a childless (and now sibling-free) friend of mine
> > has rewritten his will, not to exclude two nieces who deserve
> > exclusion, but to leave them with a tiny sum of cash. As in "Yes, I
> > considered them when writing this will, and no, I don't think they
> > deserve over $1000 each". Sad you have to so that just to keep a judge
> > who never met you from trying to second guess your intent after you're
> dead.
> >
> > Mitch.
> >
> > ___
> 
> In cases like that, I normally just put in a clause that says something
> like:
> 
> I have not forgotten X but have expressly chosen not to provide for X in
my
> will because (and then state the reason - which is most often just that
there
> has been little or no contact for a long while)
> 
> RB
> 
> 
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
> 
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> 
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 01/12/2015 3:28 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

There was an old guy around Caribou, he did some "work" for my cousins time to time. When 
he died his son gave the eulogy which started with "My dad was really an asshole" and 
devolved from there.

-Curt
  

I wonder what the father's opinion of his son was?

RB

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 01/12/2015 3:18 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:

In an episode of Midsomer, which I watched last night, the will read:  "To
my unfaithful wife I leave nothing; I would leave her less if I could."




I recall listening to some strange comedy show on a car radio long ago, 
where the gist of the story was the solicitor reading out the will of 
the deceased.
One of the beneficiaries was to receive a "boot to the head" and after 
he read that part one heard a thud and a person scream "ouch!".
I don't recall all of it but he kept mentioning the boot to the head and 
every time, one would hear the thud and the person scream again.


Strange but funny and I periodically remember it.

RB

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

There were a series of boot to the head 
skits.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8VD4JXUozM

-Curt

  From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
Cc: Randy Bennell <rbenn...@bennell.ca>
 Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 4:33 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors
   
On 01/12/2015 3:18 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
> In an episode of Midsomer, which I watched last night, the will read:  "To
> my unfaithful wife I leave nothing; I would leave her less if I could."
>
>

I recall listening to some strange comedy show on a car radio long ago, 
where the gist of the story was the solicitor reading out the will of 
the deceased.
One of the beneficiaries was to receive a "boot to the head" and after 
he read that part one heard a thud and a person scream "ouch!".
I don't recall all of it but he kept mentioning the boot to the head and 
every time, one would hear the thud and the person scream again.

Strange but funny and I periodically remember it.



RB

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com



 
___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 01/12/2015 3:48 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:
Reminds me:   Check the 1992 movie, "My Cousin Vinny," in which 
defense attorney, Joe Pesci, is jailed for contempt of court for his 
choice of dress in Alabama court.   ;<)  Or was he merely threatened 
with contempt?  'Don't remember.


Wilton



and the stuffy Judge had a difficult time understanding his NJ accent - 
Vinny referred to utes (youths).


RB

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 01/12/2015 4:21 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote:

And I was ROTFLMAO.  ;<)

Wilton


I suspect we share the same odd sense of humor then.

RB

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 01/12/2015 2:39 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Friend of ours is an "estate and probate" attorney as he refers to it.

What we really want to know is if you have to wear the powdered wigs in court, 
or if that's just in the UK?

Dan




Not in Canada, thankfully.
In England and perhaps in other countries with past ties to England.

We do wear the black waist coat and robes along with the white shirt 
with the pointy collar and tabs when in superior courts.


Like this:

http://www.gaspard.ca/legal-attire/

RB

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

There was an old guy around Caribou, he did some "work" for my cousins time to 
time. When he died his son gave the eulogy which started with "My dad was 
really an asshole" and devolved from there.

-Curt
  From: Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
Cc: Scott Ritchey <ritche...@nc.rr.com>
 Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 4:18 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors
   
In an episode of Midsomer, which I watched last night, the will read:  "To
my unfaithful wife I leave nothing; I would leave her less if I could."

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Randy Bennell via Mercedes
> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 12:55 PM
> To: Mitch Haley <mi...@mitchellhaley.com>; Mercedes Discussion List
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Cc: Randy Bennell <rbenn...@bennell.ca>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors
> 
> On 01/12/2015 11:33 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> > Now I understand why a childless (and now sibling-free) friend of mine
> > has rewritten his will, not to exclude two nieces who deserve
> > exclusion, but to leave them with a tiny sum of cash. As in "Yes, I
> > considered them when writing this will, and no, I don't think they
> > deserve over $1000 each". Sad you have to so that just to keep a judge
> > who never met you from trying to second guess your intent after you're
> dead.
> >
> > Mitch.
> >
> > ___
> 
> In cases like that, I normally just put in a clause that says something
> like:
> 
> I have not forgotten X but have expressly chosen not to provide for X in
my
> will because (and then state the reason - which is most often just that
there
> has been little or no contact for a long while)
> 
> RB
> 
> 
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
> 
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> 
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com




___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com



 
___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I was thinking about the show on Monty Python - "Would you like a blow to the 
head or a knee in the groin?"

Dan not a pepper pot

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 1, 2015, at 4:38 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> There were a series of boot to the head 
> skits.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8VD4JXUozM
> 
> -Curt
> 
>  From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> Cc: Randy Bennell <rbenn...@bennell.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 4:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors
> 
>> On 01/12/2015 3:18 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
>> In an episode of Midsomer, which I watched last night, the will read:  "To
>> my unfaithful wife I leave nothing; I would leave her less if I could."
> 
> I recall listening to some strange comedy show on a car radio long ago, 
> where the gist of the story was the solicitor reading out the will of 
> the deceased.
> One of the beneficiaries was to receive a "boot to the head" and after 
> he read that part one heard a thud and a person scream "ouch!".
> I don't recall all of it but he kept mentioning the boot to the head and 
> every time, one would hear the thud and the person scream again.
> 
> Strange but funny and I periodically remember it.
> 
> 
> 
> RB
> 
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
> 
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> 
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
> 
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> 
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
> 

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I think this is the one you referred 
to:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFldBVWFgWo

-Curt

  From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
Cc: Randy Bennell <rbenn...@bennell.ca>
 Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 4:33 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors
   
On 01/12/2015 3:18 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:
> In an episode of Midsomer, which I watched last night, the will read:  "To
> my unfaithful wife I leave nothing; I would leave her less if I could."
>
>

I recall listening to some strange comedy show on a car radio long ago, 
where the gist of the story was the solicitor reading out the will of 
the deceased.
One of the beneficiaries was to receive a "boot to the head" and after 
he read that part one heard a thud and a person scream "ouch!".
I don't recall all of it but he kept mentioning the boot to the head and 
every time, one would hear the thud and the person scream again.

Strange but funny and I periodically remember it.



RB

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com



 
___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Did they include Frau Bluecher?

--R

On 12/1/15 4:38 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

There were a series of boot to the head 
skits.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8VD4JXUozM

-Curt

   From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
  To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: Randy Bennell <rbenn...@bennell.ca>
  Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 4:33 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

On 01/12/2015 3:18 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote:

In an episode of Midsomer, which I watched last night, the will read:  "To
my unfaithful wife I leave nothing; I would leave her less if I could."



I recall listening to some strange comedy show on a car radio long ago,
where the gist of the story was the solicitor reading out the will of
the deceased.
One of the beneficiaries was to receive a "boot to the head" and after
he read that part one heard a thud and a person scream "ouch!".
I don't recall all of it but he kept mentioning the boot to the head and
every time, one would hear the thud and the person scream again.

Strange but funny and I periodically remember it.



RB

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com



  
___

http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com




___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

There was an old guy around Caribou, he did some "work" for my cousins time to time. When 
he died his son gave the eulogy which started with "My dad was really an asshole" and 
devolved from there.



Hmmm.
I have no memory of my great great uncle Jesse. Our lives might not have 
overlapped, his youngest son died a couple of years ago at the age of 100.

Anyway, that youngest son, my great uncle Clyde, didn't have much to say
about his dad. Just "He was the meanest man that ever lived".
Family folklore seems to agree with that assessment.
My grandmother eloped at 16 to get away from home, and I don't think any
of her sisters were living with their parents when they turned 18.

Mitch.

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

We do wear the black waist coat and robes along with the white shirt 
with the pointy collar and tabs when in superior courts.


Like this:

http://www.gaspard.ca/legal-attire/


I can just see myself showing up in court like that.
Too bad jury duty was last month (and I had a medical excuse
the only time I was called). They'd know exactly what kind of
nut I am if I showed up for jury duty in that getup.

Mitch.

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote:
It might be gracious but #1 violated his responsibility as executor if 
#2 did not agree (or was not informed truthfully).  It essentially 
amounts to stealing money from #2 to give to #3, whatever the 
motivation.  #1 should have discussed it with #2, and given up his bit 
anyway, and let #2 to decide either way.


I think that route was not taken because it would have created a substantial
chance that #3 would find out his dad cut him out.

Mitch.

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
There was an old guy around Caribou, he did some "work" for my  
cousins time to time. When he died his son gave the eulogy which  
started with "My dad was really an asshole" and devolved from there.


Sounds like my Great Grandmother Slater.  In the only conversation I  
had with my great uncle, he said "Annie was the most unpleasant woman  
I ever met".  Annie was his mother -- must have been quite a dragon,  
as my great uncle was no prize.


Peter

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

I think that route was not taken because it would have created a 
substantial

chance that #3 would find out his dad cut him out.


Only interested parties can complain, namely #2 and #3 since #1
made the change.  Hard to see how #3 would complain, but #2 has
a perfectly legitimate claim of theft, if he knew about it.  As
the will is public information, at least so far as interested
parties go, #2 could find out.  As, I expect, could #3, if he
were inclined to dig.  (Either it's public, and he could read
it himself, or as a NON-interested party the fact that he couldn't
get access to a copy would tell him something too.)

No, obviously I'm not a lawyer.

#1 needed to tell the other two that in #1's opinion "the will
was iniquitous, and that #1 wanted to divvy it into three
exactly equal parts.  That OK with you guys?"

It's awful to have to think about this kind of thing.

-- Jim


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

The "He forgot me" argument is the only one that holds
any water, in the absence of spousal or minor child
support issues, and it costs the decedent merely $1
and one sentence in the will to completely scuttle
that argument.

-- Jim


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Would you wear the men's or the ladies?  (Ducking)
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On December 1, 2015 7:10:00 PM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> We do wear the black waist coat and robes along with the white shirt 
>> with the pointy collar and tabs when in superior courts.
>> 
>> Like this:
>> 
>> http://www.gaspard.ca/legal-attire/
>
>I can just see myself showing up in court like that.
>Too bad jury duty was last month (and I had a medical excuse
>the only time I was called). They'd know exactly what kind of
>nut I am if I showed up for jury duty in that getup.
>
>Mitch.
>

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Makes me almost happy that I gave all my money to Charity.

I know.. strange name for a stripper in a small corner bar on the edge of
the business district...

On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The "He forgot me" argument is the only one that holds
> any water, in the absence of spousal or minor child
> support issues, and it costs the decedent merely $1
> and one sentence in the will to completely scuttle
> that argument.
>
>
> -- Jim
>
>
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
>
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
>
>
___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

a true reading of the will would have been emotionally harmful
to child #3. #3 was also the one who most needed the money.


But _why_ did #3 need the money most?  That very issue might
have been at the root of the parent's decision.

Ugly stuff, all.

I am to be the executor of my father's will in the eventuality,
and I'm holding a current copy.  There is some minor estrangement,
and the bulk of the document is dealing with the various eventualities
that will apply on the day.  (If X should pre-decease Y, then...)

I am intending to do what he says, but some of the _how_ that he's
planned out might get some tinkering, if it seems necessary and all
concerned parties can agree.  The _what_ that is intended is very
clear, so I'm not expecting grotesque levels of difficulty.

Humph.  Maybe I'll go first!  :-)

-- Jim


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Karma still played out, as all he got was the $1500 life insurance which they 
didn't even find until well into the legal action.

I know it took several years and there was a lot of back and forth in the 
courts, so I am certain he laid out more than that in legal fees.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 1, 2015, at 11:55 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I feel like in a case like that a judge ought to look at it and throw it out 
> of court immediately. If the estranged can't come up with some dammed good 
> reason he deserves a chunk of it he shouldn't get anything.
> On the other hand I'd probably have hung onto the fight until the bitter end, 
> drain the estate, then sue him for lawyer's fees. Let him pay for his greed.
> -Curt
>   

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On December 1, 2015 at 11:20 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Cliff contested the will. He wasn't named in it, of course. Everything was
> left to my Mom.

I understand that spouses are often guaranteed half, and that lineal descendants
expect a cut,
but if somebody has deliberately filed a will, excluding their estranged sibling
and leaving
everything to another sibling's daughter, why does a judge need to spend more
than five minutes
telling him to piss off?

Now I understand why a childless (and now sibling-free) friend of mine has
rewritten his will, not to exclude two nieces who deserve exclusion, but to
leave them with a tiny sum of cash. As in "Yes, I considered them when writing
this will, and no, I don't think they deserve over $1000 each". Sad you have to
so that just to keep a judge who never met you from trying to second guess your
intent after you're dead. 

Mitch.

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

not "H" series bonds that mature at their face value, but bonds that 
continued to earn interest. Some of them were worth 5X-10X their face 
value as a result.


I was given a $50 savings bond shortly after my birth.  I cashed it in
after college, while I was waiting for my first paycheck.  I think it
was worth about $150 by that time.  Couldn't think of a better way to
have spent it, I lived on that money for 3 weeks at the very beginning
of my adult life.  I was otherwise tapped out.

-- Jim


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I feel like in a case like that a judge ought to look at it and throw it out of 
court immediately. If the estranged can't come up with some dammed good reason 
he deserves a chunk of it he shouldn't get anything.
On the other hand I'd probably have hung onto the fight until the bitter end, 
drain the estate, then sue him for lawyer's fees. Let him pay for his greed.
-Curt
  From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
Cc: Dan Penoff <d...@penoff.com>
 Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 11:20 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors
   
I had a great aunt on my Mom's side who was the quintessential spinster. She 
took care of parents most of her adult life while having a career as an 
accountant with a small local cartage firm.

She was the best of my aunts and uncles while I was growing up, as she was 
really sincere about being interested in what you were doing as a kid. We 
rarely saw her, as she kept odd hours, so a lot of the family sort of dismissed 
her as an oddball.  She would always show up for family gatherings several 
hours late, so everyone got into the habit of telling her stuff was starting 
earlier than planned so she would show up on time.

She lived in the same apartment building as my grandmother and her sister, in 
fact, she was at the opposite end of the hall from their apartment. Whenever we 
visited my grandmother and great aunt, which was pretty often, we always went 
down the hall to see Aunt Marge. I know (now) that a lot of times we rousted 
her out, but you wouldn't know it. She was always glad to see us kids, and we 
always had fun with her, even if the visit was just a few minutes.

Anyway, she and my Mom were really close, as they were both semi-professional 
bowlers before my Mom married my Dad. They traveled around the Midwest on 
occasion and bowled in tournaments together.  Our family stayed close to her 
over the years when everyone else didn't bother as they didn't want to deal 
with her flakyness.

One day Mom got a call that Aunt Marge had been in a car accident and was 
hospitalized. She went to see her and was told they thought she had a stroke 
while she was driving. Within a few days they figured out that she had a large 
mass on her brain that was inoperable.  As a result of this, she had lost her 
ability to speak and wasn't too good physically, so she was placed in a care 
facility.

Mom took care of her, visiting every day for almost two years before Aunt Marge 
passed. Mom was taking care of all of her personal business as well, since she 
was obviously unable to do so.

Mom was the executrix of her estate and she probated the will, which left 
everything to her.  This was not known by my Mom, I would add.

It was the summer and I was in middle school. I helped Mom inventory and pack 
the contents of Aunt Marge's apartment.  It was amazing.

She had coffee cans full of silver coins. I don't recall how many, suffice to 
say that we had to get a bunch of cloth coin bags from the bank and use a two 
wheel dolly to move them out.

We found bundles of War bonds stuffed in the drawers of her desk. These were 
not "H" series bonds that mature at their face value, but bonds that continued 
to earn interest. Some of them were worth 5X-10X their face value as a result.

It was staggering.  I don't know the value of it all, but I'm sure it was in 
the low six figures.

Now the fun begins.

Aunt Marge had an estranged brother, my uncle Cliff, who made a lot of money in 
the local cartage business and had his own trucking company.  We're talking 
about someone who had a home in Florida and wintered there 4-5 months out of 
the year in the 1950s (this was the mid 1970s).  Cliff hadn't seen his sister 
in years as far as we know.  I don't know the reason for the estrangement, but 
it was serious and went back a long way from what I was told.

Cliff contested the will. He wasn't named in it, of course. Everything was left 
to my Mom.

Two years later, after a protracted legal battle the drained a lot of money out 
of her estate, Cliff settled for a $1500 life insurance payout that he had been 
the beneficiary for years prior that she had later changed to my Mom.

Bastard. And all for $1500. I know he spent far more than that in attorney's 
fees.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 1, 2015, at 10:03 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Years ago I heard a lawyer / author interviewed on the radio about two
> books that he'd written on wills and estates and family fights.  I wish I
> could recall his name and the books titles.  The first book is for the
> person to read BEFORE they die, so they can (maybe) arrange their matters
> so as to prevent family squabbling and try to drive home the value of
> people/relationships over material stuff.  The second book is for the
> family to read AFTER the death, so 

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 01/12/2015 11:33 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:


Now I understand why a childless (and now sibling-free) friend of mine has
rewritten his will, not to exclude two nieces who deserve exclusion, but to
leave them with a tiny sum of cash. As in "Yes, I considered them when writing
this will, and no, I don't think they deserve over $1000 each". Sad you have to
so that just to keep a judge who never met you from trying to second guess your
intent after you're dead.

Mitch.

___


In cases like that, I normally just put in a clause that says something 
like:


I have not forgotten X but have expressly chosen not to provide for X in 
my will because (and then state the reason - which is most often just 
that there has been little or no contact for a long while)


RB


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On December 1, 2015 at 12:57 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Glad you don't do probate?


What do you guys think of this situation?

Three children. Parent #1 dies, leaving everything to parent #2. 
Parent #2 dies, leaving everything equally to children #1 and #2,
and nothing to #3. 
 
Child #1, the executor, tells #2 and #3 that parent's will was
for a three way split, and hands out equal thirds. He thought
a true reading of the will would have been emotionally harmful
to child #3. #3 was also the one who most needed the money. 

(it all evens out in the end. #2 and #3 are dead now, and #1
is leaving everything to #2's kids, so #2's branch of the family
doesn't lose anything when all is said and done)

Mitch

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Glad you don't do probate?

Dan

> On Dec 1, 2015, at 12:55 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>> On 01/12/2015 11:33 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>> Now I understand why a childless (and now sibling-free) friend of mine has
>> rewritten his will, not to exclude two nieces who deserve exclusion, but to
>> leave them with a tiny sum of cash. As in "Yes, I considered them when 
>> writing
>> this will, and no, I don't think they deserve over $1000 each". Sad you have 
>> to
>> so that just to keep a judge who never met you from trying to second guess 
>> your
>> intent after you're dead.
>> 
>> Mitch.
>> 
>> ___
> 
> In cases like that, I normally just put in a clause that says something like:
> 
> I have not forgotten X but have expressly chosen not to provide for X in my 
> will because (and then state the reason - which is most often just that there 
> has been little or no contact for a long while)
> 
> RB
> 
> 
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
> 
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> 
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
> 

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

No different than when my sister got pissed because my Dad decided to put me 
back in his will.

He and I butted heads for a long time until I was in my early 20s and he was 
still trying to control me. I told him to piss off and that was that.

My Mom told me when they diagnosed him with esophageal cancer. Mom did not 
meddle or judge, but in her matronly wisdom she "suggested" that I make peace 
with my Dad or I might regret it some day.

I did, am was glad I did long after the fact. Dad had made it clear that I was 
out of the will some time ago, which, quite honestly, didn't bother me.  I 
always figured I wouldn't be any poorer the day after.

My brother, the other banker in the family who followed in Dad's footsteps, was 
his executor.  He told me after Dad's death that a few months before he died he 
put me back in the will. Total surprise to me.

When my sister found out, she was pissed. Whatever.

It wasn't a lot of money, but for a young couple with minimal cash, it gave us 
a down payment for our first house, a fitting memorial, we thought.

When money is involved, all bets are off and the nastiest things come out of 
people.

Dan



> On Dec 1, 2015, at 12:33 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On December 1, 2015 at 11:20 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Cliff contested the will. He wasn't named in it, of course. Everything was
>> left to my Mom.
> 
> I understand that spouses are often guaranteed half, and that lineal 
> descendants
> expect a cut,
> but if somebody has deliberately filed a will, excluding their estranged 
> sibling
> and leaving
> everything to another sibling's daughter, why does a judge need to spend more
> than five minutes
> telling him to piss off?
> 
> Now I understand why a childless (and now sibling-free) friend of mine has
> rewritten his will, not to exclude two nieces who deserve exclusion, but to
> leave them with a tiny sum of cash. As in "Yes, I considered them when writing
> this will, and no, I don't think they deserve over $1000 each". Sad you have 
> to
> so that just to keep a judge who never met you from trying to second guess 
> your
> intent after you're dead. 
> 
> Mitch.
> 
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
> 
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> 
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
> 

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Not having more details, it sounds very gracious of the sibling to do so.  
Sometimes it's better to do the "right" thing.

For that matter, I would think the two that were named as heirs could have each 
given a sixth to the third sibling as well if they chose to, and then there 
would be no conflict with the estate. Of course, #2 would have had to have been 
in agreement.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 1, 2015, at 1:31 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> What do you guys think of this situation?
> 
> Three children. Parent #1 dies, leaving everything to parent #2. 
> Parent #2 dies, leaving everything equally to children #1 and #2,
> and nothing to #3. 
> 
> Child #1, the executor, tells #2 and #3 that parent's will was
> for a three way split, and hands out equal thirds. He thought
> a true reading of the will would have been emotionally harmful
> to child #3. #3 was also the one who most needed the money. 
> 
> (it all evens out in the end. #2 and #3 are dead now, and #1
> is leaving everything to #2's kids, so #2's branch of the family
> doesn't lose anything when all is said and done)
> 
> Mitch
> 
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
> 
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> 
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
> 

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

It might be gracious but #1 violated his responsibility as executor if 
#2 did not agree (or was not informed truthfully).  It essentially 
amounts to stealing money from #2 to give to #3, whatever the 
motivation.  #1 should have discussed it with #2, and given up his bit 
anyway, and let #2 to decide either way.


--R

On 12/1/15 1:59 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Not having more details, it sounds very gracious of the sibling to do so.  Sometimes it's 
better to do the "right" thing.

For that matter, I would think the two that were named as heirs could have each 
given a sixth to the third sibling as well if they chose to, and then there 
would be no conflict with the estate. Of course, #2 would have had to have been 
in agreement.

Dan

Sent from my iPad


On Dec 1, 2015, at 1:31 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
wrote:


What do you guys think of this situation?

Three children. Parent #1 dies, leaving everything to parent #2.
Parent #2 dies, leaving everything equally to children #1 and #2,
and nothing to #3.

Child #1, the executor, tells #2 and #3 that parent's will was
for a three way split, and hands out equal thirds. He thought
a true reading of the will would have been emotionally harmful
to child #3. #3 was also the one who most needed the money.

(it all evens out in the end. #2 and #3 are dead now, and #1
is leaving everything to #2's kids, so #2's branch of the family
doesn't lose anything when all is said and done)

Mitch

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com





___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That was the point in my second statement.

Dan

> On Dec 1, 2015, at 2:21 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> It might be gracious but #1 violated his responsibility as executor if #2 did 
> not agree (or was not informed truthfully).  It essentially amounts to 
> stealing money from #2 to give to #3, whatever the motivation.  #1 should 
> have discussed it with #2, and given up his bit anyway, and let #2 to decide 
> either way.
> 
> --R
> 
>> On 12/1/15 1:59 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Not having more details, it sounds very gracious of the sibling to do so.  
>> Sometimes it's better to do the "right" thing.
>> 
>> For that matter, I would think the two that were named as heirs could have 
>> each given a sixth to the third sibling as well if they chose to, and then 
>> there would be no conflict with the estate. Of course, #2 would have had to 
>> have been in agreement.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Dec 1, 2015, at 1:31 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> What do you guys think of this situation?
>>> 
>>> Three children. Parent #1 dies, leaving everything to parent #2.
>>> Parent #2 dies, leaving everything equally to children #1 and #2,
>>> and nothing to #3.
>>> 
>>> Child #1, the executor, tells #2 and #3 that parent's will was
>>> for a three way split, and hands out equal thirds. He thought
>>> a true reading of the will would have been emotionally harmful
>>> to child #3. #3 was also the one who most needed the money.
>>> 
>>> (it all evens out in the end. #2 and #3 are dead now, and #1
>>> is leaving everything to #2's kids, so #2's branch of the family
>>> doesn't lose anything when all is said and done)
>>> 
>>> Mitch
>>> 
>>> ___
>>> http://www.okiebenz.com
>>> 
>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>>> 
>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
>> ___
>> http://www.okiebenz.com
>> 
>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>> 
>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
> 
> 
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
> 
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> 
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
> 

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 01/12/2015 11:57 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Glad you don't do probate?

Dan



Not sure what you mean.
Probate is just the application to the Court asking to have the Will 
declared to be acceptable and the named Executor endorsed by the Court.
The Grant of Probate is essentially a Court Order giving the Executor 
the power to proceed.


We do that all the time. Basic solicitors' work.

RB

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Which also reminds me that as of the day after Thanksgiving we finally closed 
out my uncle Reg's will. He had a bunch of guns that were supposed to go to me, 
my cousin Tim and uncle Guy. It's been hard to get the three of us in one place 
at the same time but we finally managed it.Reg died on Thanksgiving day 2002 so 
it only took us 13 years and one day. Reg was never one to hurry things so I 
feel like we did it right.
-Curt
  From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
Cc: Meade Dillon <dillonm...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 10:03 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors
   
Years ago I heard a lawyer / author interviewed on the radio about two
books that he'd written on wills and estates and family fights.  I wish I
could recall his name and the books titles.  The first book is for the
person to read BEFORE they die, so they can (maybe) arrange their matters
so as to prevent family squabbling and try to drive home the value of
people/relationships over material stuff.  The second book is for the
family to read AFTER the death, so as to understand what the options are
and how badly things can go wrong, basically just a bunch of stories about
how horrible family can be and all the stupid things and hurtful things
people do when fighting over stuff.  I am planning to get both books for my
parents.

-
Max
Charleston SC
___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com



 
___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Years ago I heard a lawyer / author interviewed on the radio about two
books that he'd written on wills and estates and family fights.  I wish I
could recall his name and the books titles.  The first book is for the
person to read BEFORE they die, so they can (maybe) arrange their matters
so as to prevent family squabbling and try to drive home the value of
people/relationships over material stuff.  The second book is for the
family to read AFTER the death, so as to understand what the options are
and how badly things can go wrong, basically just a bunch of stories about
how horrible family can be and all the stupid things and hurtful things
people do when fighting over stuff.  I am planning to get both books for my
parents.

-
Max
Charleston SC
___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Great idea.  Please share with us when you recall the titles.

On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Years ago I heard a lawyer / author interviewed on the radio about two
> books that he'd written on wills and estates and family fights.  I wish I
> could recall his name and the books titles.  The first book is for the
> person to read BEFORE they die, so they can (maybe) arrange their matters
> so as to prevent family squabbling and try to drive home the value of
> people/relationships over material stuff.  The second book is for the
> family to read AFTER the death, so as to understand what the options are
> and how badly things can go wrong, basically just a bunch of stories about
> how horrible family can be and all the stupid things and hurtful things
> people do when fighting over stuff.  I am planning to get both books for my
> parents.
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
>
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
>
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
>
>
___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I had a great aunt on my Mom's side who was the quintessential spinster. She 
took care of parents most of her adult life while having a career as an 
accountant with a small local cartage firm.

She was the best of my aunts and uncles while I was growing up, as she was 
really sincere about being interested in what you were doing as a kid. We 
rarely saw her, as she kept odd hours, so a lot of the family sort of dismissed 
her as an oddball.  She would always show up for family gatherings several 
hours late, so everyone got into the habit of telling her stuff was starting 
earlier than planned so she would show up on time.

She lived in the same apartment building as my grandmother and her sister, in 
fact, she was at the opposite end of the hall from their apartment. Whenever we 
visited my grandmother and great aunt, which was pretty often, we always went 
down the hall to see Aunt Marge. I know (now) that a lot of times we rousted 
her out, but you wouldn't know it. She was always glad to see us kids, and we 
always had fun with her, even if the visit was just a few minutes.

Anyway, she and my Mom were really close, as they were both semi-professional 
bowlers before my Mom married my Dad. They traveled around the Midwest on 
occasion and bowled in tournaments together.  Our family stayed close to her 
over the years when everyone else didn't bother as they didn't want to deal 
with her flakyness.

One day Mom got a call that Aunt Marge had been in a car accident and was 
hospitalized. She went to see her and was told they thought she had a stroke 
while she was driving. Within a few days they figured out that she had a large 
mass on her brain that was inoperable.   As a result of this, she had lost her 
ability to speak and wasn't too good physically, so she was placed in a care 
facility.

Mom took care of her, visiting every day for almost two years before Aunt Marge 
passed. Mom was taking care of all of her personal business as well, since she 
was obviously unable to do so.

Mom was the executrix of her estate and she probated the will, which left 
everything to her.  This was not known by my Mom, I would add.

It was the summer and I was in middle school. I helped Mom inventory and pack 
the contents of Aunt Marge's apartment.  It was amazing.

She had coffee cans full of silver coins. I don't recall how many, suffice to 
say that we had to get a bunch of cloth coin bags from the bank and use a two 
wheel dolly to move them out.

We found bundles of War bonds stuffed in the drawers of her desk. These were 
not "H" series bonds that mature at their face value, but bonds that continued 
to earn interest. Some of them were worth 5X-10X their face value as a result.

It was staggering.  I don't know the value of it all, but I'm sure it was in 
the low six figures.

Now the fun begins.

Aunt Marge had an estranged brother, my uncle Cliff, who made a lot of money in 
the local cartage business and had his own trucking company.  We're talking 
about someone who had a home in Florida and wintered there 4-5 months out of 
the year in the 1950s (this was the mid 1970s).  Cliff hadn't seen his sister 
in years as far as we know.  I don't know the reason for the estrangement, but 
it was serious and went back a long way from what I was told.

Cliff contested the will. He wasn't named in it, of course. Everything was left 
to my Mom.

Two years later, after a protracted legal battle the drained a lot of money out 
of her estate, Cliff settled for a $1500 life insurance payout that he had been 
the beneficiary for years prior that she had later changed to my Mom.

Bastard. And all for $1500. I know he spent far more than that in attorney's 
fees.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 1, 2015, at 10:03 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Years ago I heard a lawyer / author interviewed on the radio about two
> books that he'd written on wills and estates and family fights.  I wish I
> could recall his name and the books titles.  The first book is for the
> person to read BEFORE they die, so they can (maybe) arrange their matters
> so as to prevent family squabbling and try to drive home the value of
> people/relationships over material stuff.  The second book is for the
> family to read AFTER the death, so as to understand what the options are
> and how badly things can go wrong, basically just a bunch of stories about
> how horrible family can be and all the stupid things and hurtful things
> people do when fighting over stuff.  I am planning to get both books for my
> parents.
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
> 
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> 
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
> 

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives 

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Which reminds me, my uncle Fred (really my great uncle) died a 
couple months ago and things have gotten decidedly weird. Fred was 
married to my aunt Trudy, who is my grandmother's sister. Trudy was 
married once before, her daughter Melanie being the surviving child 
from that. There are two surviving sons from Fred, Tim and Phil.Phil 
is executor of the will and is having a tough time of it. My dad was 
executor of uncle Reg's will, he was Trudy and my grandmother's 
brother, so dad is helping Phil out. Theres a fair amount of money 
involved, low 6 figures and a house on a lake which is probably 
worth something in the mid to low 6 figures. Trudy has alzheimer's 
and is a total space cadet in a nursing home that apparently costs 
around $8,000 a month which will probably eat a sizable chunk of the 
money.
Apparently Melanie has gone money crazy and has started threatening 
Phil and strangely, my dad. In talking to the police dad has 
discovered this is something lowlife idiots do to each other all the 
time. They threaten to "send the police to your house!" and since 
the other low life idiots have something they'd prefer the police 
didn't see they are cowed. Dad found out that a cease and desist 
order costs $20 and gets delivered by the police so Melanie and her 
idiot husband got a visit from Johnny law that they didn't expect. 
It'll get more interesting before its all over I'm sure...
I'm convinced the best thing that could happen to Phil is that his 
mother would live for years and years and use up all the money. 
Sadly Tim is a bit of a slouch and could actually use the money for 
good reasons like the roof over his head and food in his belly.

-Curt



Welcome to the real world of low lifes where one family member will 
kill another for $1000 (more or less)


Then there is the Kollyfonia sister syndrome.

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On November 30, 2015 at 6:02 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> Apparently Melanie has gone money crazy and has started threatening Phil and
> strangely, my dad.

Her mom's husband died so she's attacking the executor and his advisor?
Unless Fred adopted her, she's probably not a party to this. 
Best thing for her would be that her mom get everything of his and she get 1/3
of mom's estate. 
Did Fred have children from a prior marriage?

Mitch.

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I neglected to mention that Fred had adopted her and she does stand to get 
something like a 5th of the estate. At one point she had a huge blowout fight 
with Fred while he was in the nursing home shortly before he died and he wrote 
her out of the will entirely. Sadly they "reconciled" which is to say she put 
on a good face long enough to get back into his good graces and the will.
She's an idiot of the highest order. She's had who knows how many kids by at 
least 4 husbands. The oldest son (a year older than me) recently committed 
suicide. Daughter has who knows how many kids which have been taken away by the 
state (but "she's a good mother" says my grandmother), next oldest son is in 
jail basically forever on multiple rape convictions.
Fred was a great man, its sad that his kids and grandkids have turned out 
pretty poor. Tim and Phil are the best of the bunch but Phil still can't own a 
firearm other than a muzzleloader due to a drug charge in his early 20s. He's 
an excellent woodworker when he can keep himself working. Tim was a carpenter 
who got hurt on the job, took the money instead of training for something else 
and runs the sporting goods department at a Wal-Mart. He smokes dope so much 
he's basically a shell...
-Curt
  From: Mitch Haley <mi...@mitchellhaley.com>
 To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
 Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 6:28 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors
   




> On November 30, 2015 at 6:02 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Apparently Melanie has gone money crazy and has started threatening Phil and
> strangely, my dad.

Her mom's husband died so she's attacking the executor and his advisor?
Unless Fred adopted her, she's probably not a party to this. 
Best thing for her would be that her mom get everything of his and she get 1/3
of mom's estate. 
Did Fred have children from a prior marriage?

Mitch.


  
___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Sounds like wife’s stepsister and husband.  His mom had money and property, and 
believe it or not, we would often hear stepsister and husband talk openly about 
how when mom dies they would be living in luxury.  Every time mom was ill or 
feeling poorly they would be rubbing their collective hands together, figuring 
out what they would be spending their undeserved gains on.

Mom lived to be nearly 100 and just passed last year.  She did a good job of 
running down her accounts before she left this world, so there was little cash 
and it had to be split between three siblings, one of which is the stepsister’s 
husband.  She also left three rental properties, one of which one of the 
sisters has lived in and now gets to in perpetuity.  The others have long term 
renters, but this is in Anderson, IN, which is the poster child for dead Rust 
Belt towns, so the property has minimal value at best.

The best part?  Stepsister and husband lived their lives in anticipation of big 
bucks that they’ll never see.  So they continue alone, mired in debt.  Both are 
retirement age but can’t retire because they can’t afford to.

As I like to say, Karma can be a cruel mistress.

Dan

> On Nov 30, 2015, at 6:34 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> I neglected to mention that Fred had adopted her and she does stand to get 
> something like a 5th of the estate. At one point she had a huge blowout fight 
> with Fred while he was in the nursing home shortly before he died and he 
> wrote her out of the will entirely. Sadly they "reconciled" which is to say 
> she put on a good face long enough to get back into his good graces and the 
> will.
> She's an idiot of the highest order. She's had who knows how many kids by at 
> least 4 husbands. The oldest son (a year older than me) recently committed 
> suicide. Daughter has who knows how many kids which have been taken away by 
> the state (but "she's a good mother" says my grandmother), next oldest son is 
> in jail basically forever on multiple rape convictions.
> Fred was a great man, its sad that his kids and grandkids have turned out 
> pretty poor. Tim and Phil are the best of the bunch but Phil still can't own 
> a firearm other than a muzzleloader due to a drug charge in his early 20s. 
> He's an excellent woodworker when he can keep himself working. Tim was a 
> carpenter who got hurt on the job, took the money instead of training for 
> something else and runs the sporting goods department at a Wal-Mart. He 
> smokes dope so much he's basically a shell...
> -Curt
>  From: Mitch Haley <mi...@mitchellhaley.com>
> To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 6:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On November 30, 2015 at 6:02 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes
>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Apparently Melanie has gone money crazy and has started threatening Phil and
>> strangely, my dad.
> 
> Her mom's husband died so she's attacking the executor and his advisor?
> Unless Fred adopted her, she's probably not a party to this. 
> Best thing for her would be that her mom get everything of his and she get 1/3
> of mom's estate. 
> Did Fred have children from a prior marriage?
> 
> Mitch.
> 
> 
> 
> ___
> http://www.okiebenz.com
> 
> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
> 
> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
> 


___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Which reminds me, my uncle Fred (really my great uncle) died a couple months 
ago and things have gotten decidedly weird. Fred was married to my aunt Trudy, 
who is my grandmother's sister. Trudy was married once before, her daughter 
Melanie being the surviving child from that. There are two surviving sons from 
Fred, Tim and Phil.Phil is executor of the will and is having a tough time of 
it. My dad was executor of uncle Reg's will, he was Trudy and my grandmother's 
brother, so dad is helping Phil out. Theres a fair amount of money involved, 
low 6 figures and a house on a lake which is probably worth something in the 
mid to low 6 figures. Trudy has alzheimer's and is a total space cadet in a 
nursing home that apparently costs around $8,000 a month which will probably 
eat a sizable chunk of the money.
Apparently Melanie has gone money crazy and has started threatening Phil and 
strangely, my dad. In talking to the police dad has discovered this is 
something lowlife idiots do to each other all the time. They threaten to "send 
the police to your house!" and since the other low life idiots have something 
they'd prefer the police didn't see they are cowed. Dad found out that a cease 
and desist order costs $20 and gets delivered by the police so Melanie and her 
idiot husband got a visit from Johnny law that they didn't expect. It'll get 
more interesting before its all over I'm sure...
I'm convinced the best thing that could happen to Phil is that his mother would 
live for years and years and use up all the money. Sadly Tim is a bit of a 
slouch and could actually use the money for good reasons like the roof over his 
head and food in his belly.
-Curt
  From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes List  
Cc: Dan Penoff 
 Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 5:33 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] New Neighbors - was OT Mac network troubles
   
Speaking of new neighbors, the couple who bought the house two doors down just 
had a major domestic dispute on Friday night.  Seems that he beat her to a pulp 
and left, then on Saturday morning started calling her saying he was coming 
back to do it again.

That explained the multiple gendarmes outside the house first thing Saturday 
morning.

Fortunately, one of them is the son in law of our family attorney and former 
neighbor.  He came over after the call and filled me in.  He also told me in no 
uncertain terms to call 911 and let them know if hubby came around.

So about an hour later, a car rolls up to their house with hubby and two AA 
females, one skinny, one quite rotund.  The large one runs up to the front door 
and begins beating on it as hard as she can, while screaming obscenities at the 
top of her lungs.

I’m already on the phone to 911 to let them know what’s up.  The operator says 
the sheriff is close by on rolling.

This goes on for a good 3-4 minutes while hubby stands by the car in the 
street.  Large AA woman is apparently somehow related to hubby from what I can 
tell.

Sheriffs roll up.  Within a few minutes, hubby is in the back of the cruiser 
and Large AA woman is yelling at the cops.  Not a good idea, they tell her, 
unless she wants to spend the weekend lounging at Che Jail on the taxpayer’s 
expense.  She quiets down.

Two cops and both women enter the house and come out a few minutes later.  Cops 
leave, women leave.  A Uhaul truck shows up a few hours later along with 3-4 
carloads of people,  By Sunday morning the UHaul is full, and later that day it 
rolls with a line of cars behind it.

I’m thinking, I need to find out who this guy is in case I see him around 
again, as I haven’t ever gotten a good look at him.  I know his nickname is 
“Ozzie”, so I log on to the County’s web site and sift through the booking 
records for Saturday.  I find him, and he’s go priors.  Check this out:

http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/criminal/probation-not-prison-for-family-charged-in-mothers-death/2234039

The son is my neighbor.  The guy is a celebrity!  Even made Huff Post:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/06/mary-winston-death-osmond-neglect_n_3554755.html

Great.  How many people do you know get convicted of homicide and get 
probation?  Of course, he’s broken probation so I don’t expect to see him for a 
while, if at all.

Oy.  Time to get out of Dodge.

Dan 
___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Family fun - was: New Neighbors

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

This is why I strongly recommend an interest only trust for real  
estate, and it can be used to handle money too by having "transfer on  
death" arrangements.  This way only the recipient of the trust has  
mitts on the dough until it can be distributed, real estate doesn't  
get tied up in court until the house rots away, etc.  The actual  
transfer of property is sort of complicated, but for tax purposes is  
immediate upon arranging the trust -- this way the nursing home  
doesn't get the house and other property.


At any rate, the perception that there are piles of cash needing a  
home sure brings out the best in people, eh?


Peter

___
http://www.okiebenz.com

To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com