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The car got new ball joints, new tires, and an alignment. It's a different car now! Much better. The struts are leaking, but not too bad, and are still functioning. However, it's only a matter of time until I'll have to replace them. Looking at the FSM CD, though they tell you to use a spring compressor, they also hint that you might be able to change them without it. *The shock absorber struts serve simultaneously as the rebound stop for the front wheels. For this reason loosen shock absorber strut suspension only when the vehicle is standing on the wheels, the wishbone is supported or the spring compressor with tensioning plates is installed.* Has anyone replaced the struts with car on ramps, or using a jack under the wishbone? -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I did struts on a 201 which is the same, I did not use a spring compressor. It was about the same as regular shocks, except easier I do believe. OK Don wrote: The car got new ball joints, new tires, and an alignment. It's a different car now! Much better. The struts are leaking, but not too bad, and are still functioning. However, it's only a matter of time until I'll have to replace them. Looking at the FSM CD, though they tell you to use a spring compressor, they also hint that you might be able to change them without it. *The shock absorber struts serve simultaneously as the rebound stop for the front wheels. For this reason loosen shock absorber strut suspension only when the vehicle is standing on the wheels, the wishbone is supported or the spring compressor with tensioning plates is installed.* Has anyone replaced the struts with car on ramps, or using a jack under the wishbone? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2903 - Release Date: 05/29/10 01:25:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Put a jack stand under the control arm, supporting the weight of the car. Job isn't bad if the upper bolt at the steering knuckle isn't siezed. Get new dust boots and jounce bumpers, and I'd suggest new upper strut mounts at the same time, they aren't expensive and again will make a huge difference in ride and noise. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Great - thanks. That's how it looked to me. On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: Put a jack stand under the control arm, supporting the weight of the car. Job isn't bad if the upper bolt at the steering knuckle isn't siezed. Get new dust boots and jounce bumpers, and I'd suggest new upper strut mounts at the same time, they aren't expensive and again will make a huge difference in ride and noise. Peter -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That's good news! Never thought regular shocks were much trouble, so this shouldn't be an issue at all then. Did you get it aligned afterwards? On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: I did struts on a 201 which is the same, I did not use a spring compressor. It was about the same as regular shocks, except easier I do believe. -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Looking at the FSM CD, though they tell you to use a spring compressor, they also hint that you might be able to change them without it. *The shock absorber struts serve simultaneously as the rebound stop for the front wheels. For this reason loosen shock absorber strut suspension only when the vehicle is standing on the wheels, the wishbone is supported or the spring compressor with tensioning plates is installed.* That's not a hint, that's a clear choice. They did say OR, after all. In fact the compressor is listed as the _last_ choice! Anyway, I did mine (201) with just a jack and jack stands. Easy. And I _do_ have the proper Klann spring compressor, but I've never yet had to use it. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hendrik Fay wrote: Hendrik who collects beer bottles and cans, much to the missus annoyment when she feels like dusting them Some of my friends collect Mint Julep glasses from Churchill Downs. http://www.santafetradingpost.com/kentucky_derby_glasses.html One year, a fellow I'll call D2 tells another friend (D1) that he'll pick up 8 of that year's glasses for him (D2 was going to the Derby and D1 couldn't make it that year). When D2, AKA rapist of swine, got back from Kentucky, he didn't want money for the glasses, he wanted to 'trade' for 8 og D1's glasses that were 20-30 years old. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hey I know how to operate a BBQ, as long as it is right hand drive, should post some pictures of my hybrid 5 burner. Anyway I'll get the missus to remind me of the dates of our travel itinerary. I would look them up myself but my footy team is on the telly. Goota go. Hendrik who bought a box of Miller draft (we spell it draught) beer to get used to US grog Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Oh OK, thats good. I was thinking it was this week for some reason. Maybe we will have to have a OkieQ or something Regina will be in a C collar so I dont think she would want to though. I guess I would have to do all the work!! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Can you put up some pictures of LHD and RHD BBQs? -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On May 22, 2010, at 15:10, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au wrote: Hey I know how to operate a BBQ, as long as it is right hand drive, should post some pictures of my hybrid 5 burner. Anyway I'll get the missus to remind me of the dates of our travel itinerary. I would look them up myself but my footy team is on the telly. Goota go. Hendrik who bought a box of Miller draft (we spell it draught) beer to get used to US grog Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Oh OK, thats good. I was thinking it was this week for some reason. Maybe we will have to have a OkieQ or something Regina will be in a C collar so I dont think she would want to though. I guess I would have to do all the work!! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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There is GOOD beer here in the US if you stay away from that mass-produced swill. --R Hendrik Fay wrote: Hey I know how to operate a BBQ, as long as it is right hand drive, should post some pictures of my hybrid 5 burner. Anyway I'll get the missus to remind me of the dates of our travel itinerary. I would look them up myself but my footy team is on the telly. Goota go. Hendrik who bought a box of Miller draft (we spell it draught) beer to get used to US grog Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Oh OK, thats good. I was thinking it was this week for some reason. Maybe we will have to have a OkieQ or something Regina will be in a C collar so I dont think she would want to though. I guess I would have to do all the work!! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'm sorry - you should have asked first! Hendrik who bought a box of Miller draft (we spell it draught) beer to get used to US grog -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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We are limited in the variety of US beers, either Miller or Budweiser. Hendrik who thought that the Miller was not too bad but will give final verdict when sampling a fresh batch from the factory Rich Thomas wrote: There is GOOD beer here in the US if you stay away from that mass-produced swill. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My condolences. In WI, there is Leinenkugels and Point Special. Both are good and have lots of varieties. And quite a few microbreweries, and a lot of brands owned by the majors. We are limited in the variety of US beers, either Miller or Budweiser. Hendrik who thought that the Miller was not too bad but will give final verdict when sampling a fresh batch from the factory Rich Thomas wrote: There is GOOD beer here in the US if you stay away from that mass-produced swill. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Dieselhead wrote: My condolences. In WI, there is Leinenkugels and Point Special. Both are good and have lots of varieties. And quite a few microbreweries, and a lot of brands owned by the majors. Like this one? http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2610/3895175131_b5f6fa18ab.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I think you may have had a few too many Verginas when you took that picture. Hendrik who collects beer bottles and cans, much to the missus annoyment when she feels like dusting them Mitch Haley wrote: Dieselhead wrote: My condolences. In WI, there is Leinenkugels and Point Special. Both are good and have lots of varieties. And quite a few microbreweries, and a lot of brands owned by the majors. Like this one? http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2610/3895175131_b5f6fa18ab.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Several times over the last 40 years or so, I've had tires wearing unevenly - to the point they had to be replaced. Every time, the alignment shop said I had to get new tires *before* they could do the alignment. They said the worn tires would affect the alignment another alignment would be needed after the new tires were fitted. If a tire is wearing on the inside edge (for instance) and the cords are showing the alignment would have to overcome the tires unevenness (the slope of the worn edge) to achieve the proper toe-in or camber. Seems to me this would be difficult. I believe the slope of the tires would still play a part in the way the tires contact the road. Since there is a fair amount of flexible (relatively) rubber involved in the steering geometry IMO the flexing of the rubber can alter the alignment - such that a flat surface (the contact patch of the tire) is required to have a correct alignment. While it's true the alignment devices attach to the wheel the slope of a worn tire can affect the alignment. Also the tire rests on a calibrated movable plate during the alignment. I may not have explained this very well - maybe it makes some sense though - Good luck - LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 10:40 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hunting 124 update The car must be standing on the tires in driving position for the suspension to be aligned -- the wheels move in complex ways as they go up and down, and to track true, they must be in driving position. Tires can do strange things, but won't change the alignment, or indeed affect it at all. They CAN make it steer strangely and pull to one side or the other, especially if you have a belt loose on one side so that the tire is larger at speed on one side than the other! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Jim Cathey wrote: the steering wheel is about 5 degrees off level now (was level before I started). That's easy DIY, maybe 1/8 turn on both sides (appropriately) will keep the alignment the same yet re-center the wheel. Did the part that was changed affect one wheel's steering position? Then it stands to reason that if the center position changed, the toe-in also changed, and you now have an alignment state you don't want to keep. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Get it aligned, it's not possible to get it right without an alignment rack. Note that the toe/in out can be way off and it will still drive straight, but be overly sensitive to side winds, etc. I always match the tie rods from the center marks of the ball (on the back side) rather than overall length -- the ends may not be the same outside length. Always get it aligned right after, and while I'm usually very close, it's always better after. Very much better when I put the new steering box in! Peter -Original Message- From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net Sent: May 16, 2010 12:02 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hunting 124 update the steering wheel is about 5 degrees off level now (was level before I started). That's easy DIY, maybe 1/8 turn on both sides (appropriately) will keep the alignment the same yet re-center the wheel. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It will get aligned. I'm not sure that it was right before the work, and is most likely different now from what is was before. The tires are getting thin, and one has a non-leaking screw in the center of the tread. It'll get new tires after the alignment. The only remaining question is where it will get aligned -- might have to check prices at the stealership in Tulsa if the OKC one is outrageous. The only independent alignment shop that would use a spreader bar on a Mercedes in the area closed a few years back. I should call all of the indies and ask if any of them will do a MB right. On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 8:53 AM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: Get it aligned, it's not possible to get it right without an alignment rack. Note that the toe/in out can be way off and it will still drive straight, but be overly sensitive to side winds, etc. I always match the tie rods from the center marks of the ball (on the back side) rather than overall length -- the ends may not be the same outside length. Always get it aligned right after, and while I'm usually very close, it's always better after. Very much better when I put the new steering box in! Peter That's easy DIY, maybe 1/8 turn on both sides (appropriately) will keep the alignment the same yet re-center the wheel. -- Jim OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Do you have more than one dealer nearby? If so, check both for prices - sometimes another dealer will have dramatically different prices - one of our dealers (we have 2) that really are competitive. They changed the diff fluid for me and charged $25 - plus they washed the car when done ;-) Also, sometimes there are indy frame and suspension shops (some have been in business for generations) that do amazing work with alignments. I use one here (in Va.) that charges $60 for a 4 wheel alignment on the MB. Plus, he lets me in the shop to look over his shoulder and ask questions - he actually invited me to come back and watch - and the price is amazing. He also does my 911 when needed for a similar price. Good luck - LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 9:21 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hunting 124 update I replaced both tie rods, the drag link, the steering shock, and the idler arm bushings today. I stood the old and the new tie rods on end on the front of the lower section of the tool box, held a 12 extension for the 3/8 ratchet across the tops, and adjusted the new rod till the extension appeared parallel with the open tool box lid. The car drives straight ahead, hands off at 70MPH, but the steering wheel is about 5 degrees off level now (was level before I started). It is MUCH more stable now, but still not quite what I expect. Perhaps it was the wind, a road I don't usually drive, etc. I'll drive it to work Monday, and see how it is on I-35 before passing final judgement. If it seems I've cured the worst of it, I'll get a quote for a stealership alignment. I'm half afraid of what they'll want after their asking$30 for a sunvisor clip! On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: That is my prescription for loose front end on a W124. About 200,000 miles in normal driving will wear out the steering damper, which then allows the normal impacts on the wheels to beat the tie rod ends and drag link joints to death, along with the idler arm bushings. The damper wears out only in the straight ahead position -- there will be a catch where it moves freely only in that position, works normally everywhere else, but that little bit of free play allows all the vibration to get at the ends of the rods. Take a look at the sway bar bushings while you are in there, they are likely rock hard and shrunken as well. Won't have any effect on the steering, but replacing them will eliminate a surprising amount of noise. Peter ___ Got the car back from the daughter today - jacked up only the left wheel first, at the jack point, and found no loosness at all. The smallest mocement of the wheel was visible in the steering wheel. I decided to repeat the test, but jacking up the swame wheel under the lower control arm, right by the wheel, to keep the steering parts closer to driving position. Still no play at all. Next I went around to the right wheel - jacked it up by the lower control arm, and yes - there was some play that was not reflected in the steering wheel. I jacked it up at the jack point, put a jack stand under the frame rail, got my wife to try to wiggle the wheel, while I rolled under to find where the play was. My wife couldn't get the wheel to move consistantly, so I was pushing with one hand from under the car, trying to keep the creeper from rolling the other way with my feet, and feeling for loose parts with my other hand. Felt like there might be play in the drag link ends. I'm going to order both new tie rods, the drag link, and a steering shock tomorrow. Maybe even the bushings for the drag links pivot arm thingy (forgot the name). An alignment at the stealership will follow the replacement of the parts -- then we'll see how it drives. -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sun, 16 May 2010 13:49:59 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: It'll get new tires after the alignment. I have heard that the change from old to new tires can affect the alignment and that it's best to get an alignment right AFTER you get new tires. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I found an extremely good independent shop that did my 300D. It cost close to $100 with the tax, etc added in. I would think Okie City has a good shop that can do MBs. The one I found does MBs frequently, and knew the 124 well. I think it was the best alignment I have had on an MB in the last 20 years or so. Do you have more than one dealer nearby? If so, check both for prices - sometimes another dealer will have dramatically different prices - one of our dealers (we have 2) that really are competitive. They changed the diff fluid for me and charged $25 - plus they washed the car when done ;-) Also, sometimes there are indy frame and suspension shops (some have been in business for generations) that do amazing work with alignments. I use one here (in Va.) that charges $60 for a 4 wheel alignment on the MB. Plus, he lets me in the shop to look over his shoulder and ask questions - he actually invited me to come back and watch - and the price is amazing. He also does my 911 when needed for a similar price. Good luck - LarryT 91 300D OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 9:21 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hunting 124 update I replaced both tie rods, the drag link, the steering shock, and the idler arm bushings today. I stood the old and the new tie rods on end on the front of the lower section of the tool box, held a 12 extension for the 3/8 ratchet across the tops, and adjusted the new rod till the extension appeared parallel with the open tool box lid. The car drives straight ahead, hands off at 70MPH, but the steering wheel is about 5 degrees off level now (was level before I started). It is MUCH more stable now, but still not quite what I expect. Perhaps it was the wind, a road I don't usually drive, etc. I'll drive it to work Monday, and see how it is on I-35 before passing final judgement. If it seems I've cured the worst of it, I'll get a quote for a stealership alignment. I'm half afraid of what they'll want after their asking$30 for a sunvisor clip! On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: That is my prescription for loose front end on a W124. About 200,000 miles in normal driving will wear out the steering damper, which then allows the normal impacts on the wheels to beat the tie rod ends and drag link joints to death, along with the idler arm bushings. The damper wears out only in the straight ahead position -- there will be a catch where it moves freely only in that position, works normally everywhere else, but that little bit of free play allows all the vibration to get at the ends of the rods. Take a look at the sway bar bushings while you are in there, they are likely rock hard and shrunken as well. Won't have any effect on the steering, but replacing them will eliminate a surprising amount of noise. Peter ___ Got the car back from the daughter today - jacked up only the left wheel first, at the jack point, and found no loosness at all. The smallest mocement of the wheel was visible in the steering wheel. I decided to repeat the test, but jacking up the swame wheel under the lower control arm, right by the wheel, to keep the steering parts closer to driving position. Still no play at all. Next I went around to the right wheel - jacked it up by the lower control arm, and yes - there was some play that was not reflected in the steering wheel. I jacked it up at the jack point, put a jack stand under the frame rail, got my wife to try to wiggle the wheel, while I rolled under to find where the play was. My wife couldn't get the wheel to move consistantly, so I was pushing with one hand from under the car, trying to keep the creeper from rolling the other way with my feet, and feeling for loose parts with my other hand. Felt like there might be play in the drag link ends. I'm going to order both new tie rods, the drag link, and a steering shock tomorrow. Maybe even the bushings for the drag links pivot arm thingy (forgot the name). An alignment at the stealership will follow the replacement of the parts -- then we'll see how it drives. -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com
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The nearest Dealer is 120 miles away, but a visit there would be followed by a visit to Kaleb and other friends in the area, so it wouldn't be a single purpose trip. The only good indie frame/alignment shop that I knew of closed, so it's into the phone book to try and find another one. On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 4:20 PM, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Do you have more than one dealer nearby? If so, check both for prices - sometimes another dealer will have dramatically different prices - one of our dealers (we have 2) that really are competitive. They changed the diff fluid for me and charged $25 - plus they washed the car when done ;-) Also, sometimes there are indy frame and suspension shops (some have been in business for generations) that do amazing work with alignments. I use one here (in Va.) that charges $60 for a 4 wheel alignment on the MB. Plus, he lets me in the shop to look over his shoulder and ask questions - he actually invited me to come back and watch - and the price is amazing. He also does my 911 when needed for a similar price. Good luck - LarryT 91 300D -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I usually do that because I neglect to get the alignment before the tires, but have never planned it that way! However, if the car is in the air for the alignment, I don't see how tires would make a difference. On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.netwrote: On Sun, 16 May 2010 13:49:59 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: It'll get new tires after the alignment. I have heard that the change from old to new tires can affect the alignment and that it's best to get an alignment right AFTER you get new tires. -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sun, 16 May 2010 18:03:52 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I have heard that the change from old to new tires can affect the alignment and that it's best to get an alignment right AFTER you get new tires. I usually do that because I neglect to get the alignment before the tires, but have never planned it that way! However, if the car is in the air for the alignment, I don't see how tires would make a difference. I thought they aligned it with weight on the tires, it being up in the air only to get movable stuff under the wheels and make it easier to get to the parts that need to be adjusted. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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OK Don wrote: I usually do that because I neglect to get the alignment before the tires, but have never planned it that way! However, if the car is in the air for the alignment, I don't see how tires would make a difference. You cannot align a car unless the car's weight is on the wheels. Alignment mechanics are pretty fussy about tire pressure, but it seems like the tires wouldn't matter a lot as long as the machine reads off the rim and not off the turntables the tires are sitting on. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I know we have a chain here, Robertson Tire, that supposedly one of their stores in tulsa has the spreader bar. OK Don wrote: It will get aligned. I'm not sure that it was right before the work, and is most likely different now from what is was before. The tires are getting thin, and one has a non-leaking screw in the center of the tread. It'll get new tires after the alignment. The only remaining question is where it will get aligned -- might have to check prices at the stealership in Tulsa if the OKC one is outrageous. The only independent alignment shop that would use a spreader bar on a Mercedes in the area closed a few years back. I should call all of the indies and ask if any of them will do a MB right. On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 8:53 AM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: Get it aligned, it's not possible to get it right without an alignment rack. Note that the toe/in out can be way off and it will still drive straight, but be overly sensitive to side winds, etc. I always match the tie rods from the center marks of the ball (on the back side) rather than overall length -- the ends may not be the same outside length. Always get it aligned right after, and while I'm usually very close, it's always better after. Very much better when I put the new steering box in! Peter That's easy DIY, maybe 1/8 turn on both sides (appropriately) will keep the alignment the same yet re-center the wheel. -- Jim OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I would think you would get it done at the same time. They put the new tires on, then align before you leave. Craig McCluskey wrote: On Sun, 16 May 2010 13:49:59 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: It'll get new tires after the alignment. I have heard that the change from old to new tires can affect the alignment and that it's best to get an alignment right AFTER you get new tires. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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yea, come on by for a visit. I think the aussies will be here pretty soon, you will have to come up for that. OK Don wrote: The nearest Dealer is 120 miles away, but a visit there would be followed by a visit to Kaleb and other friends in the area, so it wouldn't be a single purpose trip. The only good indie frame/alignment shop that I knew of closed, so it's into the phone book to try and find another one. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The Aussies are coming here after they leave you --- On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 7:04 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: yea, come on by for a visit. I think the aussies will be here pretty soon, you will have to come up for that. OK Don wrote: The nearest Dealer is 120 miles away, but a visit there would be followed by a visit to Kaleb and other friends in the area, so it wouldn't be a single purpose trip. The only good indie frame/alignment shop that I knew of closed, so it's into the phone book to try and find another one. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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oh ok, I see. I was not sure which way they were going. When are they supposed to be here? OK Don wrote: The Aussies are coming here after they leave you --- -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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They scheduled leaving Claremore June 18th. or 19th. --- so I asume they're arriving there the 16th. or 17th. On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: oh ok, I see. I was not sure which way they were going. When are they supposed to be here? OK Don wrote: The Aussies are coming here after they leave you --- -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Oh OK, thats good. I was thinking it was this week for some reason. Maybe we will have to have a OkieQ or something Regina will be in a C collar so I dont think she would want to though. I guess I would have to do all the work!! OK Don wrote: They scheduled leaving Claremore June 18th. or 19th. --- so I asume they're arriving there the 16th. or 17th. On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: oh ok, I see. I was not sure which way they were going. When are they supposed to be here? OK Don wrote: The Aussies are coming here after they leave you --- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2877 - Release Date: 05/16/10 01:26:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Ouch - what ahppened to her? We could help (cooking and the such) should you plan it then. On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: Oh OK, thats good. I was thinking it was this week for some reason. Maybe we will have to have a OkieQ or something Regina will be in a C collar so I dont think she would want to though. I guess I would have to do all the work!! -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sun, 16 May 2010 19:19:29 -0400 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Alignment mechanics are pretty fussy about tire pressure, but it seems like the tires wouldn't matter a lot as long as the machine reads off the rim and not off the turntables the tires are sitting on. How could the tire pressure, but not the amount of tread matter? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I usually do that because I neglect to get the alignment before the tires, but have never planned it that way! However, if the car is in the air for the alignment, I don't see how tires would make a difference... Since alignments are done with the car on it's wheels, I suspect you misspoke. And since alignments are a nuts-and-bolts mechanical adjustment, tires cannot change that. But, tires can cause pulling left or right or wandering and sometimes merely swapping the fronts can cure it. Yes, BTDT. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The car must be standing on the tires in driving position for the suspension to be aligned -- the wheels move in complex ways as they go up and down, and to track true, they must be in driving position. Tires can do strange things, but won't change the alignment, or indeed affect it at all. They CAN make it steer strangely and pull to one side or the other, especially if you have a belt loose on one side so that the tire is larger at speed on one side than the other! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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she is having some sort of spine surgery OK Don wrote: Ouch - what ahppened to her? We could help (cooking and the such) should you plan it then. On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: Oh OK, thats good. I was thinking it was this week for some reason. Maybe we will have to have a OkieQ or something Regina will be in a C collar so I dont think she would want to though. I guess I would have to do all the work!! -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Umm how about unevenness of wear on the tires? I'd think that a feathered edge on a tire would make it want to lean out... -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On May 16, 2010, at 21:31, Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sun, 16 May 2010 19:19:29 -0400 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Alignment mechanics are pretty fussy about tire pressure, but it seems like the tires wouldn't matter a lot as long as the machine reads off the rim and not off the turntables the tires are sitting on. How could the tire pressure, but not the amount of tread matter? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I replaced both tie rods, the drag link, the steering shock, and the idler arm bushings today. I stood the old and the new tie rods on end on the front of the lower section of the tool box, held a 12 extension for the 3/8 ratchet across the tops, and adjusted the new rod till the extension appeared parallel with the open tool box lid. The car drives straight ahead, hands off at 70MPH, but the steering wheel is about 5 degrees off level now (was level before I started). It is MUCH more stable now, but still not quite what I expect. Perhaps it was the wind, a road I don't usually drive, etc. I'll drive it to work Monday, and see how it is on I-35 before passing final judgement. If it seems I've cured the worst of it, I'll get a quote for a stealership alignment. I'm half afraid of what they'll want after their asking$30 for a sunvisor clip! On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: That is my prescription for loose front end on a W124. About 200,000 miles in normal driving will wear out the steering damper, which then allows the normal impacts on the wheels to beat the tie rod ends and drag link joints to death, along with the idler arm bushings. The damper wears out only in the straight ahead position -- there will be a catch where it moves freely only in that position, works normally everywhere else, but that little bit of free play allows all the vibration to get at the ends of the rods. Take a look at the sway bar bushings while you are in there, they are likely rock hard and shrunken as well. Won't have any effect on the steering, but replacing them will eliminate a surprising amount of noise. Peter ___ Got the car back from the daughter today - jacked up only the left wheel first, at the jack point, and found no loosness at all. The smallest mocement of the wheel was visible in the steering wheel. I decided to repeat the test, but jacking up the swame wheel under the lower control arm, right by the wheel, to keep the steering parts closer to driving position. Still no play at all. Next I went around to the right wheel - jacked it up by the lower control arm, and yes - there was some play that was not reflected in the steering wheel. I jacked it up at the jack point, put a jack stand under the frame rail, got my wife to try to wiggle the wheel, while I rolled under to find where the play was. My wife couldn't get the wheel to move consistantly, so I was pushing with one hand from under the car, trying to keep the creeper from rolling the other way with my feet, and feeling for loose parts with my other hand. Felt like there might be play in the drag link ends. I'm going to order both new tie rods, the drag link, and a steering shock tomorrow. Maybe even the bushings for the drag links pivot arm thingy (forgot the name). An alignment at the stealership will follow the replacement of the parts -- then we'll see how it drives. -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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the steering wheel is about 5 degrees off level now (was level before I started). That's easy DIY, maybe 1/8 turn on both sides (appropriately) will keep the alignment the same yet re-center the wheel. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Got the car back from the daughter today - jacked up only the left wheel first, at the jack point, and found no loosness at all. The smallest mocement of the wheel was visible in the steering wheel. I decided to repeat the test, but jacking up the swame wheel under the lower control arm, right by the wheel, to keep the steering parts closer to driving position. Still no play at all. Next I went around to the right wheel - jacked it up by the lower control arm, and yes - there was some play that was not reflected in the steering wheel. I jacked it up at the jack point, put a jack stand under the frame rail, got my wife to try to wiggle the wheel, while I rolled under to find where the play was. My wife couldn't get the wheel to move consistantly, so I was pushing with one hand from under the car, trying to keep the creeper from rolling the other way with my feet, and feeling for loose parts with my other hand. Felt like there might be play in the drag link ends. I'm going to order both new tie rods, the drag link, and a steering shock tomorrow. Maybe even the bushings for the drag links pivot arm thingy (forgot the name). An alignment at the stealership will follow the replacement of the parts -- then we'll see how it drives. On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:13 AM, John Robbins je...@msstate.edu wrote: On 4/25/2010 6:55 PM, OK Don wrote: Not yet - just finished the job an hour ago. I would get it aligned before worrying about anything else. An alignment can make a HUGE difference on these cars. Be sure to get it aligned at an MB dealer unless you know of a shop that can do proper 4 wheel alignments. John -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That is my prescription for loose front end on a W124. About 200,000 miles in normal driving will wear out the steering damper, which then allows the normal impacts on the wheels to beat the tie rod ends and drag link joints to death, along with the idler arm bushings. The damper wears out only in the straight ahead position -- there will be a catch where it moves freely only in that position, works normally everywhere else, but that little bit of free play allows all the vibration to get at the ends of the rods. Take a look at the sway bar bushings while you are in there, they are likely rock hard and shrunken as well. Won't have any effect on the steering, but replacing them will eliminate a surprising amount of noise. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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GOod idea - there isn't much noise, but while I'm at it On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: That is my prescription for loose front end on a W124. Take a look at the sway bar bushings while you are in there, they are likely rock hard and shrunken as well. Won't have any effect on the steering, but replacing them will eliminate a surprising amount of noise. Peter -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
