Yeah we recently drove to South Dakota and back and by the end of 2800
miles of driving and camping in 116 degree weather we had a pretty good
drill for how to get through a gas station, tank up, get snacks, use
toilets and fuel pumps without getting or hopefully giving anyone covid 19.
More of a
The whole issue of masks, wearing them, or not wearing them, falls IMHO in
the same category as carring a condom in your wallet all the way through
highschool... The chances of actually putting it to use were slim to
impossible, but, for 4 years, you carried one anyway.. just in case.
I wear a
A little perspective from some experts on mechanisms of spread:
https://youtu.be/Cio3rh6ta3w
On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 12:53 PM Karl Wittnebel
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> Yes as previously mentioned, the evidence is not super high quality. But
> neither is the evidence suggesting they do not work. Unfortunately we
Yes as previously mentioned, the evidence is not super high quality. But
neither is the evidence suggesting they do not work. Unfortunately we are
not given the luxury of debating the point in the absence of an epidemic.
So decisions need to be made without perfect information.
We can all
I'm pretty sure the people who bled and died for the country would be
insulted by having the magnitude of their sacrifice equated to the
suffering imposed by wearing a facemask.
On Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 11:18 PM fmiser via Mercedes
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> > Karl wrote:
>
> > I think the imposition to liberty
If one coins a pithy saying, especially if it's embryonic, one could
learn and expand from and on it oneself, just as we all do.
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The vast, vast majority of people wear pants because it's a
long-established worldwide social convention of modesty to cover one's
genitals. Not because the law requires them to do so. Those laws merely
recognized that convention and desired behavior, they didn't create
it. Doesn't seem relevant
That's quite an Orwellian interpretation of Franklin's words. They mean
the opposite of what they say.
Franklin used that saying more than once, and it's probably best to
consider the wider context to to get a sense of what he meant by those
words.
In remarks on a 1775 conference which attempted
On Mon, July 20, 2020 1:52 pm, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:\
> By choice I wear a mask, and sometimes gloves.. I have a handy belt pouch
> that has two compartments, one for masks, one for gloves... Why? because
> the closer I get to humanity, the further I want to be away from it.. even
> before
What's "prevalence" defined as, current cases divided by current population?
In Michigan, we have a population over 10MM, and total (known) cases,
current and past, of 73M. Throw in the untested probables, and we've had
just over 80M.
So, as far as we know, 0.7-0.8% of us had or have it. (but it
Another one of my favorites:
"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
pause and reflect." Mark Twain
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
Jul 20, 2020 12:48:01 PM OK Don via Mercedes :
> Thanks, Jim, for sharing that. It is a good read. I think the gist of it is:
>
> The
Pants.
The sign at the restaurant said: No shirt , no shoes, no service
So, I took off my pants and went in :
By choice I wear a mask, and sometimes gloves.. I have a handy belt pouch
that has two compartments, one for masks, one for gloves...
Why? because the closer I get to
Thanks, Jim, for sharing that. It is a good read. I think the gist of it is:
The exact quotation, which is from a letter that Franklin is believed to
have written on behalf of the Pennsylvania General Assembly, reads, "those
who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary
On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 1:18 AM fmiser via Mercedes
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> I think imposition to liberty and freedom is NOT minimal.
>
> It is so easy and simple to give up a liberty, especially when a
> bully is demanding it "or else"
>
> But it usually requires a fight with bloodshed to get them back!
>
FIFY, at least in my neck of the woods.
Mitch.
On Mon, July 20, 2020 9:30 am, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> Your odds of BRING TESTED FOR infection have risen rapidly over the last
month...
> -Curt
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I agree on letting it run its course but disagree on flattening the curve,
there are several states right now, including Florida, California and Texas
where things have gotten out of control and hospitals are full to the danger
point.
Flattening the curve means we keep hospitals just under
Your odds of infection have risen rapidly over the last month...
-Curt
On Sunday, July 19, 2020, 8:41:48 PM EDT, Max Dillon via Mercedes
wrote:
How low do the odds of infection need to be for you Don?
In my state, about 1 out of 200 people are infected, if I assume there are ten
Thanks Karl, I took a quick look at the first three on your list. The
first discusses the fluid flow of droplets from coughing and sneezing, and
yes that is pretty much common sense that if one is coughing / sneezing
then wearing a mask is a good thing. No argument there. Even better, do
what
High risk folks should by all means stay home, mask up, or whatever. It’s real
simple to figure out if masks will work or not. What is the size of the virus?
What side filtration to these mask provide? What about the homemade cloth mask?
What about bandannas?
How do we know masks are not the
Why were we not wearing masks last year for the TB outbreak? 1.8 billion
infected, 10 million ill and 1.5 million deaths. Why is this coronavirus that
most people have to be tested for to know they even have it causing mass panic,
economic disaster etc?
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> On Jul 19, 2020,
> Yes, those that would trade liberty for security deserve neither.
The quote should include the word "essential", IIRC. So I looked it up,
and it made for an interesting (short) read:
Yes, those that would trade liberty for security deserve neither. If masks
are so effective, why didn't they use them in prisons and jails and keep
all those criminals locked up? Might not have such a shocking rise in
violent crimes in our major cities if they kept the criminals locked up.
If I
> Karl wrote:
> I think the imposition to liberty here is very minimal.
I think imposition to liberty and freedom is NOT minimal.
It is so easy and simple to give up a liberty, especially when a
bully is demanding it "or else"
But it usually requires a fight with bloodshed to get them
I think the imposition to liberty here is very minimal. It's not like they
are bringing back the Stamp Act, or requiring vaccination. It's like
wearing a seatbelt or something. I will be happy not to wear the masks but
we have some work to do as a society to get there.
I can see how people with
I understand the odds, but they are at this point in time, and your odds
get worse every time those 10 infect 3.8 more people. Without masks it only
gets worse. It's not just your chance of being infected, it's the odds that
you are spreading it even if you never feel symptoms. I happen to be in a
How low do the odds of infection need to be for you Don?
In my state, about 1 out of 200 people are infected, if I assume there are ten
people infected for every one person that tests positive. This study says that
odds are greater than 50% that person will not be shedding viruses, but if they
Why do you think that you are better qualified to determine findings from
their study? They concluded: " Our results indicate that surgical face
masks could prevent transmission of human coronaviruses and influenza
viruses from symptomatic individuals. "
On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 4:36 PM Meade
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