Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius
How about a cheap new vehicle. Lease a smart ED with the battery assurance plus (BAP). Note that MBUSA has captured and retained the $7500 federal incentive, but it's passed on to you anyway. The finance charges on the lease work out to about 1%. Anyhow, the official deal is $999 down and $139/mo for 36 months, with 30k miles over the life of the lease. In Maryland, with taxes, tags, destination fee, etc, it's $3250 down (but it qualifies for a $2200 rebate from MD MVA) and $145/mo. -j. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Sep 11, 2014, at 10:59, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Other than a Prius, what is the cheapest used electric car I can get for my 15 mile RT commute? On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yeah right, I've got a bridge to sell you. Nobody I know with a Prius that drives an extensive highway commute gets 45mpg, 35-40 is the norm. -Curt From: archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius Prius get 40 to 45 mpg minimum on the highway. Plug-in Prius gets 95 mpg combined city and highway. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2012_Toyota_Prius.shtml Gerry On Thu, 11 Sep 2014 08:46:20 -0500 Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: A Prius for me would be a problem, I do way too much open road driving, where they get 22mpg. Takes a lot of gasoline to haul that huge battery down the highway for half an hour with no regenerative braking. They do great in town, but not so good long distance. My uncle likes his, bought it when they first came out, but he hasn't driven outside suburban conditions for decades. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4015/8194 - Release Date: 09/11/14 -- arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius
Sounds insanely cheap. -- Sent from myMail app for Android Friday, 12 September 2014, 04:48AM -0400 from John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net: How about a cheap new vehicle. Lease a smart ED with the battery assurance plus (BAP). Note that MBUSA has captured and retained the $7500 federal incentive, but it's passed on to you anyway. The finance charges on the lease work out to about 1%. Anyhow, the official deal is $999 down and $139/mo for 36 months, with 30k miles over the life of the lease. In Maryland, with taxes, tags, destination fee, etc, it's $3250 down (but it qualifies for a $2200 rebate from MD MVA) and $145/mo. -j. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Sep 11, 2014, at 10:59, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Other than a Prius, what is the cheapest used electric car I can get for my 15 mile RT commute? On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yeah right, I've got a bridge to sell you. Nobody I know with a Prius that drives an extensive highway commute gets 45mpg, 35-40 is the norm. -Curt From: archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net ; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius Prius get 40 to 45 mpg minimum on the highway. Plug-in Prius gets 95 mpg combined city and highway. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2012_Toyota_Prius.shtml Gerry On Thu, 11 Sep 2014 08:46:20 -0500 Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: A Prius for me would be a problem, I do way too much open road driving, where they get 22mpg. Takes a lot of gasoline to haul that huge battery down the highway for half an hour with no regenerative braking. They do great in town, but not so good long distance. My uncle likes his, bought it when they first came out, but he hasn't driven outside suburban conditions for decades. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4015/8194 - Release Date: 09/11/14 -- arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius
I would try any 3000+lbs car that had the following characteristics: 50+ mpg, exceptional repair record over time, back lid or door, large luggage deck space/volume, diesel cost per mile equivalent to gasoline cost per mile, large installed base (parts availability), comfortable ride, 2 motive power systems in case one fails, and effective rust/corrosion protection. Gerry P.S. It's interesting reading the criticisms about Prius' when it's obvious the critics want a Prius but can't or won't buy a Prius. [:o) On Wed, 10 Sep 2014 15:44:57 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: That's what I was going to say -- I've gotten 53 MPG on the road, wife gets 35mpg in town. I love the DSG tranny - dual clutch trannys are cool --- On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Go test drive a Passat, or rent one. I had one last week in LA, great car. The only thing I dislike is the DSG (dual sport(?) gearbox) which a manual transmission posing as an auto. I just don't like the feeling of the shifts. I'm sure most people don't even notice. Prius starts at $24,000, Passat starts at $21,000, Jetta starts at $16,000. Jetta and Prius are about the same size and the Jetta is purported will do 30mpg with the gas engine. You could buy a helluva lot of gas for $10,000... -Curt -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4015/8187 - Release Date: 09/10/14 -- arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius
it's the bottom feeders' lament On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 6:20 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I would try any 3000+lbs car that had the following characteristics: 50+ mpg, exceptional repair record over time, back lid or door, large luggage deck space/volume, diesel cost per mile equivalent to gasoline cost per mile, large installed base (parts availability), comfortable ride, 2 motive power systems in case one fails, and effective rust/corrosion protection. Gerry P.S. It's interesting reading the criticisms about Prius' when it's obvious the critics want a Prius but can't or won't buy a Prius. [:o) On Wed, 10 Sep 2014 15:44:57 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: That's what I was going to say -- I've gotten 53 MPG on the road, wife gets 35mpg in town. I love the DSG tranny - dual clutch trannys are cool --- On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Go test drive a Passat, or rent one. I had one last week in LA, great car. The only thing I dislike is the DSG (dual sport(?) gearbox) which a manual transmission posing as an auto. I just don't like the feeling of the shifts. I'm sure most people don't even notice. Prius starts at $24,000, Passat starts at $21,000, Jetta starts at $16,000. Jetta and Prius are about the same size and the Jetta is purported will do 30mpg with the gas engine. You could buy a helluva lot of gas for $10,000... -Curt -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4015/8187 - Release Date: 09/10/14 -- arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius
A Prius for me would be a problem, I do way too much open road driving, where they get 22mpg. Takes a lot of gasoline to haul that huge battery down the highway for half an hour with no regenerative braking. They do great in town, but not so good long distance. My uncle likes his, bought it when they first came out, but he hasn't driven outside suburban conditions for decades. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius
Prius get 40 to 45 mpg minimum on the highway. Plug-in Prius gets 95 mpg combined city and highway. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2012_Toyota_Prius.shtml Gerry On Thu, 11 Sep 2014 08:46:20 -0500 Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: A Prius for me would be a problem, I do way too much open road driving, where they get 22mpg. Takes a lot of gasoline to haul that huge battery down the highway for half an hour with no regenerative braking. They do great in town, but not so good long distance. My uncle likes his, bought it when they first came out, but he hasn't driven outside suburban conditions for decades. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4015/8194 - Release Date: 09/11/14 -- arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius
Yeah right, I've got a bridge to sell you. Nobody I know with a Prius that drives an extensive highway commute gets 45mpg, 35-40 is the norm. -Curt From: archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius Prius get 40 to 45 mpg minimum on the highway. Plug-in Prius gets 95 mpg combined city and highway. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2012_Toyota_Prius.shtml Gerry On Thu, 11 Sep 2014 08:46:20 -0500 Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: A Prius for me would be a problem, I do way too much open road driving, where they get 22mpg. Takes a lot of gasoline to haul that huge battery down the highway for half an hour with no regenerative braking. They do great in town, but not so good long distance. My uncle likes his, bought it when they first came out, but he hasn't driven outside suburban conditions for decades. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4015/8194 - Release Date: 09/11/14 -- arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius and changing subjects
Careful, DImitri. You need to be kidnapped by the Toyota goon squad and reprogrammed. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 8:08 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Not all electric cars are fruity. The Prius on the other hand Sent from my iPhone On Sep 10, 2014, at 7:33 PM, John Reames via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: *Ahem* Generalizations aren't always correct. (I drive an electric car; as previously discussed, it is perfect for the needs I lease it for... I'm definitely not a fruit, although I suppose whether or not I am a nut might be a matter for debate...) Btw, it costs me about $4 per hundred miles in energy costs; the average consumption in the first 720 miles, including my learning how to optimize my driving, and some driving by those who haven't figured out the magic of regenerative braking, is 3.5 mi/kWh. I am regularly getting 3.9-4.3 mi/kWh these days. The estimated range is 80-85mi (EPA is 63). I can't complain about it at all, especially being able to park and squeeze through impossible spots! I'll still take one of the W210.025's for any long trip or where there is need for more than 2 seats. OB MB content: The electric car is a smart ED. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Sep 10, 2014, at 14:02, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: those electro cars are owned by fruits and nuts On Sep 10, 2014, at 8:42 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Let me suggest that apples and peaches have little to do with a Prius. RB On 09/09/2014 10:48 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote: I'm sure there is at least one heritage and heirloom apple site on the internet, with pictures. You can indeed identify your tree by the apples. My boss up in Canada had some trees up the hill behind the house that I think were SnowQueen or Famouse (sp) -- one of the original named apples from ether England or France. The house was originally built before the American Revolution (Sailor's Encampment on St. Joseph's Island, Ontario), and I suspect from the condition and appearent age of the trees, they had been there since the place was built. Bright but darkish red skin with pronounced red streaks in the flesh, small, and the best tasting apples I've ever eaten. Peter ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius
Other than a Prius, what is the cheapest used electric car I can get for my 15 mile RT commute? On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yeah right, I've got a bridge to sell you. Nobody I know with a Prius that drives an extensive highway commute gets 45mpg, 35-40 is the norm. -Curt From: archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius Prius get 40 to 45 mpg minimum on the highway. Plug-in Prius gets 95 mpg combined city and highway. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2012_Toyota_Prius.shtml Gerry On Thu, 11 Sep 2014 08:46:20 -0500 Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: A Prius for me would be a problem, I do way too much open road driving, where they get 22mpg. Takes a lot of gasoline to haul that huge battery down the highway for half an hour with no regenerative braking. They do great in town, but not so good long distance. My uncle likes his, bought it when they first came out, but he hasn't driven outside suburban conditions for decades. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4015/8194 - Release Date: 09/11/14 -- arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius
For that short distance nearly any hybrid or electric would do. Price would, of course, depend on year and condition. Personally, I wouldn't buy a pure electric since the price would be about the same or more than a hybrid, and their usefulness would be limited. Actually, for that short distance, the price premium you would pay for a hybrid or electric would not be economically worthwhile IMO. Gerry On Thu, 11 Sep 2014 10:59:35 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Other than a Prius, what is the cheapest used electric car I can get for my 15 mile RT commute? On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yeah right, I've got a bridge to sell you. Nobody I know with a Prius that drives an extensive highway commute gets 45mpg, 35-40 is the norm. -Curt From: archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius Prius get 40 to 45 mpg minimum on the highway. Plug-in Prius gets 95 mpg combined city and highway. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2012_Toyota_Prius.shtml Gerry On Thu, 11 Sep 2014 08:46:20 -0500 Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: A Prius for me would be a problem, I do way too much open road driving, where they get 22mpg. Takes a lot of gasoline to haul that huge battery down the highway for half an hour with no regenerative braking. They do great in town, but not so good long distance. My uncle likes his, bought it when they first came out, but he hasn't driven outside suburban conditions for decades. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4015/8194 - Release Date: 09/11/14 -- arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4015/8194 - Release Date: 09/11/14 -- arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius
An electric would be perfect for that distance. I'd lease a Leaf since its a real 4 seater and can be had for about the same price as a Smart. Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Yeah right, I've got a bridge to sell you. Nobody I know with a Prius that drives an extensive highway commute gets 45mpg, 35-40 is the norm. Sounds about right. I was thinking Peter mistyped 22 for 42, but I also thought Gerry's 40 minimum was off, especially in cold weather. It is speed dependent. I'm a right lane bandit on brief freeway jaunts, too lazy to pass unless I have to. One time last year I slowed to avoid a Priapism in front of me, when I looked down at the speedo I was doing 50 (in a 55 minimum speed zone) and still gaining on it, I figure it was doing about 45 or a little less. I sped back up to 60 and passed it. Driver was probably paying more attention to the MPG display than to the speedo. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Other than a Prius, what is the cheapest used electric car I can get for my 15 mile RT commute? Too bad GM crushed all the Impacts. IIRC there are a few older Ford Rangers and Toyota RAV4s out there. VoltsRabbits might be an option, but quality would depend highly upon who built it. BTW, I saw a 4 door VW Rabbit (not a Golf) yesterday, the first one I'd seen in years. Didn't get a look at the headlights to see if it was US or German. 7-8 miles is a real nice bicycle distance, don't need to go to the gym if you do that twice a day in traffic. My old college roommate had exactly that commute for about 25 years and did the occasional long ride on weekends. Any day of the year he could just hop on his bike and go 100 miles, he was always in good shape and I think the commute had a LOT to do with it. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: IIRC there are a few older Ford Rangers and Toyota RAV4s out there. RAV4s seem a bit steep: https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/ctd/4632687513.html http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/ctd/4646038862.html http://search.ebay.com/191322297471 Fords are probably a bit cheaper, but this was the only current ad I could find on CL: http://lasvegas.craigslist.org/cto/4610669513.html Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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All hybrids get worse long distance highway milage than the equivalent sized non-hybrid because you have an undersized engine dragging a huge battery with little or no regenerative braking -- when do you lift your foot completely off the gas on the interestate? That means you use battery power on upgrades and then have to recharge it, and you get NO recovery of energy by regenerative braking (which is where the high milage comes from, not the hybrid nature of the drive train). The weight of the car, rolling resistance, and the drag coefficient are the only determinants for milage on the highway once the battery is fully charged, and milage will drop to the low 30's or less, often to the mid 20's. Stop and go driving they will top 50, but then my brother's Jetta TDI tops 50 on the highway without the battery and all the other crap. Mid 40s in town, same as my 300d -- milage is only slightly different between highway and mixed suburban. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I've never leased a car before. What are th costs? On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 11:48 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: An electric would be perfect for that distance. I'd lease a Leaf since its a real 4 seater and can be had for about the same price as a Smart. Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Too late! I've already notified them. [:o) Gerry On Thu, 11 Sep 2014 10:55:42 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Careful, DImitri. You need to be kidnapped by the Toyota goon squad and reprogrammed. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 8:08 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Not all electric cars are fruity. The Prius on the other hand Sent from my iPhone On Sep 10, 2014, at 7:33 PM, John Reames via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: *Ahem* Generalizations aren't always correct. (I drive an electric car; as previously discussed, it is perfect for the needs I lease it for... I'm definitely not a fruit, although I suppose whether or not I am a nut might be a matter for debate...) Btw, it costs me about $4 per hundred miles in energy costs; the average consumption in the first 720 miles, including my learning how to optimize my driving, and some driving by those who haven't figured out the magic of regenerative braking, is 3.5 mi/kWh. I am regularly getting 3.9-4.3 mi/kWh these days. The estimated range is 80-85mi (EPA is 63). I can't complain about it at all, especially being able to park and squeeze through impossible spots! I'll still take one of the W210.025's for any long trip or where there is need for more than 2 seats. OB MB content: The electric car is a smart ED. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Sep 10, 2014, at 14:02, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: those electro cars are owned by fruits and nuts On Sep 10, 2014, at 8:42 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Let me suggest that apples and peaches have little to do with a Prius. RB On 09/09/2014 10:48 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote: I'm sure there is at least one heritage and heirloom apple site on the internet, with pictures. You can indeed identify your tree by the apples. My boss up in Canada had some trees up the hill behind the house that I think were SnowQueen or Famouse (sp) -- one of the original named apples from ether England or France. The house was originally built before the American Revolution (Sailor's Encampment on St. Joseph's Island, Ontario), and I suspect from the condition and appearent age of the trees, they had been there since the place was built. Bright but darkish red skin with pronounced red streaks in the flesh, small, and the best tasting apples I've ever eaten. Peter ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the
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Volt? Sent from my iPhone On Sep 11, 2014, at 10:59 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Other than a Prius, what is the cheapest used electric car I can get for my 15 mile RT commute? On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yeah right, I've got a bridge to sell you. Nobody I know with a Prius that drives an extensive highway commute gets 45mpg, 35-40 is the norm. -Curt From: archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius Prius get 40 to 45 mpg minimum on the highway. Plug-in Prius gets 95 mpg combined city and highway. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2012_Toyota_Prius.shtml Gerry On Thu, 11 Sep 2014 08:46:20 -0500 Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: A Prius for me would be a problem, I do way too much open road driving, where they get 22mpg. Takes a lot of gasoline to haul that huge battery down the highway for half an hour with no regenerative braking. They do great in town, but not so good long distance. My uncle likes his, bought it when they first came out, but he hasn't driven outside suburban conditions for decades. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4015/8194 - Release Date: 09/11/14 -- arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Bike! --R On 9/11/14 10:59 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Other than a Prius, what is the cheapest used electric car I can get for my 15 mile RT commute? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I hadn't noticed the RT when I read the post originally. With that in mind a bicycle is indeed the absolute best choice. Considering where Andrew is he'd easily get 8 months of riding in each year. If you're worried about being sweaty in the morning get one of those electric assist bikes. -Curt From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius Bike! --R On 9/11/14 10:59 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Other than a Prius, what is the cheapest used electric car I can get for my 15 mile RT commute? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Nah, I'd get too sweaty. On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I hadn't noticed the RT when I read the post originally. With that in mind a bicycle is indeed the absolute best choice. Considering where Andrew is he'd easily get 8 months of riding in each year. If you're worried about being sweaty in the morning get one of those electric assist bikes. -Curt From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius Bike! --R On 9/11/14 10:59 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Other than a Prius, what is the cheapest used electric car I can get for my 15 mile RT commute? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Here's a little documentation on the Prius C (city car) as well as the standard Prius. http://priuschat.com/threads/real-world-highway-mpg-75-85-mph-speeds.131591/#axzz3D1oYth4e http://www.hybridcars.com/forums/showthread.php?99010-the-real-Prius-gas-mileage/page2s=aa218f2f49a790ff49a0fc9e9f6b49f2 On Thu, 11 Sep 2014 11:42:15 -0500 Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: All hybrids get worse long distance highway milage than the equivalent sized non-hybrid because you have an undersized engine dragging a huge battery with little or no regenerative braking -- when do you lift your foot completely off the gas on the interestate? That means you use battery power on upgrades and then have to recharge it, and you get NO recovery of energy by regenerative braking (which is where the high milage comes from, not the hybrid nature of the drive train). The weight of the car, rolling resistance, and the drag coefficient are the only determinants for milage on the highway once the battery is fully charged, and milage will drop to the low 30's or less, often to the mid 20's. Stop and go driving they will top 50, but then my brother's Jetta TDI tops 50 on the highway without the battery and all the other crap. Mid 40s in town, same as my 300d -- milage is only slightly different between highway and mixed suburban. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4015/8194 - Release Date: 09/11/14 -- arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I was a rear seat passenger in a Prius in Massachusetts a few years ago. Didn't much care for the busy dash lights and obstructed rear view. I would love to get a Leaf but used ones at a decent price are hard to find On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 2:37 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Here's a little documentation on the Prius C (city car) as well as the standard Prius. http://priuschat.com/threads/real-world-highway-mpg-75-85-mph-speeds.131591/#axzz3D1oYth4e http://www.hybridcars.com/forums/showthread.php?99010-the-real-Prius-gas-mileage/page2s=aa218f2f49a790ff49a0fc9e9f6b49f2 On Thu, 11 Sep 2014 11:42:15 -0500 Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: All hybrids get worse long distance highway milage than the equivalent sized non-hybrid because you have an undersized engine dragging a huge battery with little or no regenerative braking -- when do you lift your foot completely off the gas on the interestate? That means you use battery power on upgrades and then have to recharge it, and you get NO recovery of energy by regenerative braking (which is where the high milage comes from, not the hybrid nature of the drive train). The weight of the car, rolling resistance, and the drag coefficient are the only determinants for milage on the highway once the battery is fully charged, and milage will drop to the low 30's or less, often to the mid 20's. Stop and go driving they will top 50, but then my brother's Jetta TDI tops 50 on the highway without the battery and all the other crap. Mid 40s in town, same as my 300d -- milage is only slightly different between highway and mixed suburban. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4015/8194 - Release Date: 09/11/14 -- arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Prius are not cheep. The clapped out ones that were fleet cars sell for high KBB around here. they get painted yellow and become taxi. Used to be cop cars that got sold for that. Bottom price is above $6k for first gen clay On Sep 11, 2014, at 7:59 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Other than a Prius, what is the cheapest used electric car I can get for my 15 mile RT commute? On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yeah right, I've got a bridge to sell you. Nobody I know with a Prius that drives an extensive highway commute gets 45mpg, 35-40 is the norm. -Curt From: archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius Prius get 40 to 45 mpg minimum on the highway. Plug-in Prius gets 95 mpg combined city and highway. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2012_Toyota_Prius.shtml Gerry On Thu, 11 Sep 2014 08:46:20 -0500 Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: A Prius for me would be a problem, I do way too much open road driving, where they get 22mpg. Takes a lot of gasoline to haul that huge battery down the highway for half an hour with no regenerative braking. They do great in town, but not so good long distance. My uncle likes his, bought it when they first came out, but he hasn't driven outside suburban conditions for decades. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4015/8194 - Release Date: 09/11/14 -- arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Let me suggest that apples and peaches have little to do with a Prius. RB On 09/09/2014 10:48 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote: I'm sure there is at least one heritage and heirloom apple site on the internet, with pictures. You can indeed identify your tree by the apples. My boss up in Canada had some trees up the hill behind the house that I think were SnowQueen or Famouse (sp) -- one of the original named apples from ether England or France. The house was originally built before the American Revolution (Sailor's Encampment on St. Joseph's Island, Ontario), and I suspect from the condition and appearent age of the trees, they had been there since the place was built. Bright but darkish red skin with pronounced red streaks in the flesh, small, and the best tasting apples I've ever eaten. Peter ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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those electro cars are owned by fruits and nuts On Sep 10, 2014, at 8:42 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Let me suggest that apples and peaches have little to do with a Prius. RB On 09/09/2014 10:48 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote: I'm sure there is at least one heritage and heirloom apple site on the internet, with pictures. You can indeed identify your tree by the apples. My boss up in Canada had some trees up the hill behind the house that I think were SnowQueen or Famouse (sp) -- one of the original named apples from ether England or France. The house was originally built before the American Revolution (Sailor's Encampment on St. Joseph's Island, Ontario), and I suspect from the condition and appearent age of the trees, they had been there since the place was built. Bright but darkish red skin with pronounced red streaks in the flesh, small, and the best tasting apples I've ever eaten. Peter ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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That's what I was going to say -- I've gotten 53 MPG on the road, wife gets 35mpg in town. I love the DSG tranny - dual clutch trannys are cool --- On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Go test drive a Passat, or rent one. I had one last week in LA, great car. The only thing I dislike is the DSG (dual sport(?) gearbox) which a manual transmission posing as an auto. I just don't like the feeling of the shifts. I'm sure most people don't even notice. Prius starts at $24,000, Passat starts at $21,000, Jetta starts at $16,000. Jetta and Prius are about the same size and the Jetta is purported will do 30mpg with the gas engine. You could buy a helluva lot of gas for $10,000... -Curt -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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*Ahem* Generalizations aren't always correct. (I drive an electric car; as previously discussed, it is perfect for the needs I lease it for... I'm definitely not a fruit, although I suppose whether or not I am a nut might be a matter for debate...) Btw, it costs me about $4 per hundred miles in energy costs; the average consumption in the first 720 miles, including my learning how to optimize my driving, and some driving by those who haven't figured out the magic of regenerative braking, is 3.5 mi/kWh. I am regularly getting 3.9-4.3 mi/kWh these days. The estimated range is 80-85mi (EPA is 63). I can't complain about it at all, especially being able to park and squeeze through impossible spots! I'll still take one of the W210.025's for any long trip or where there is need for more than 2 seats. OB MB content: The electric car is a smart ED. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Sep 10, 2014, at 14:02, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: those electro cars are owned by fruits and nuts On Sep 10, 2014, at 8:42 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Let me suggest that apples and peaches have little to do with a Prius. RB On 09/09/2014 10:48 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote: I'm sure there is at least one heritage and heirloom apple site on the internet, with pictures. You can indeed identify your tree by the apples. My boss up in Canada had some trees up the hill behind the house that I think were SnowQueen or Famouse (sp) -- one of the original named apples from ether England or France. The house was originally built before the American Revolution (Sailor's Encampment on St. Joseph's Island, Ontario), and I suspect from the condition and appearent age of the trees, they had been there since the place was built. Bright but darkish red skin with pronounced red streaks in the flesh, small, and the best tasting apples I've ever eaten. Peter ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Right on. A car is a machine that may or may not be suited for a particular use. It's foolish to mistake a car choice for a social or political statement unless you know the car was chosen to make a statement. I bought a Subaru for practical reasons, but I'm slightly to the right of Attila the Hun, politically. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of John Reames via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 7:33 PM To: clay; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius and changing subjects *Ahem* Generalizations aren't always correct. (I drive an electric car; as previously discussed, it is perfect for the needs I lease it for... I'm definitely not a fruit, although I suppose whether or not I am a nut might be a matter for debate...) Btw, it costs me about $4 per hundred miles in energy costs; the average consumption in the first 720 miles, including my learning how to optimize my driving, and some driving by those who haven't figured out the magic of regenerative braking, is 3.5 mi/kWh. I am regularly getting 3.9-4.3 mi/kWh these days. The estimated range is 80-85mi (EPA is 63). I can't complain about it at all, especially being able to park and squeeze through impossible spots! I'll still take one of the W210.025's for any long trip or where there is need for more than 2 seats. OB MB content: The electric car is a smart ED. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Not all electric cars are fruity. The Prius on the other hand Sent from my iPhone On Sep 10, 2014, at 7:33 PM, John Reames via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: *Ahem* Generalizations aren't always correct. (I drive an electric car; as previously discussed, it is perfect for the needs I lease it for... I'm definitely not a fruit, although I suppose whether or not I am a nut might be a matter for debate...) Btw, it costs me about $4 per hundred miles in energy costs; the average consumption in the first 720 miles, including my learning how to optimize my driving, and some driving by those who haven't figured out the magic of regenerative braking, is 3.5 mi/kWh. I am regularly getting 3.9-4.3 mi/kWh these days. The estimated range is 80-85mi (EPA is 63). I can't complain about it at all, especially being able to park and squeeze through impossible spots! I'll still take one of the W210.025's for any long trip or where there is need for more than 2 seats. OB MB content: The electric car is a smart ED. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Sep 10, 2014, at 14:02, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: those electro cars are owned by fruits and nuts On Sep 10, 2014, at 8:42 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Let me suggest that apples and peaches have little to do with a Prius. RB On 09/09/2014 10:48 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote: I'm sure there is at least one heritage and heirloom apple site on the internet, with pictures. You can indeed identify your tree by the apples. My boss up in Canada had some trees up the hill behind the house that I think were SnowQueen or Famouse (sp) -- one of the original named apples from ether England or France. The house was originally built before the American Revolution (Sailor's Encampment on St. Joseph's Island, Ontario), and I suspect from the condition and appearent age of the trees, they had been there since the place was built. Bright but darkish red skin with pronounced red streaks in the flesh, small, and the best tasting apples I've ever eaten. Peter ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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On 9/8/14 4:42 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: There are an excess of the blue ones roaming my roads. Sometimes it looks like parade day on the freeway with them all lined up. I think the placement of the Obama sticker or the stick figure family is the only way to tell one from the other clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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How could people live with themselves being such cows? I'd rather pull a Robin Williams. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 8, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On 9/8/14 4:42 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: There are an excess of the blue ones roaming my roads. Sometimes it looks like parade day on the freeway with them all lined up. I think the placement of the Obama sticker or the stick figure family is the only way to tell one from the other clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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i get these feelings of deja vu. all over again On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 8:40 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: How could people live with themselves being such cows? I'd rather pull a Robin Williams. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 8, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On 9/8/14 4:42 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: There are an excess of the blue ones roaming my roads. Sometimes it looks like parade day on the freeway with them all lined up. I think the placement of the Obama sticker or the stick figure family is the only way to tell one from the other clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I had the SC and GA peaches. I found them to be not all they are cracked up to be. Local to me seemed to have the best taste. Enough cold days and warm summer for perfection. clay On Sep 8, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Gary Hurst via Mercedes wrote: the best peaches i've seen are on the GA/SC border area. new jersey also has great peaches that aren't talked about enough. i'd rather an SC peach than a GA peach as i am more confident an SC peach will come from this region On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I go across the road and get fresh SC peaches. 0.5 mile round trip, a bit over 3 minutes --R On 9/8/14 4:46 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: SWMBA came down from AK to get her household effects. She also wanted to do her annual peach canning session. I figured out the fruit stand over the mountains was open fairly early, so I did the 200 mile trip to get her three boxes. A bit over three hours before breakfast, and I had fresh fruit on my corn flakes. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Where is the local you are referring to? Best peaches and other stone fruit I ever ate were purchased at Pike Place Market in Seattle, but they cost several dollars apiece... They were gi-normous, however. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 3:33 PM, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I had the SC and GA peaches. I found them to be not all they are cracked up to be. Local to me seemed to have the best taste. Enough cold days and warm summer for perfection. clay On Sep 8, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Gary Hurst via Mercedes wrote: the best peaches i've seen are on the GA/SC border area. new jersey also has great peaches that aren't talked about enough. i'd rather an SC peach than a GA peach as i am more confident an SC peach will come from this region On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I go across the road and get fresh SC peaches. 0.5 mile round trip, a bit over 3 minutes --R On 9/8/14 4:46 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: SWMBA came down from AK to get her household effects. She also wanted to do her annual peach canning session. I figured out the fruit stand over the mountains was open fairly early, so I did the 200 mile trip to get her three boxes. A bit over three hours before breakfast, and I had fresh fruit on my corn flakes. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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You hit the nail on the head, local fruit is always the best fruit. Stuff that has to be shipped is picked before its ripe and ripens either in a truck or on a shelf. Neither is what you'd want for best flavor. -Curt From: clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2014 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius I had the SC and GA peaches. I found them to be not all they are cracked up to be. Local to me seemed to have the best taste. Enough cold days and warm summer for perfection. clay On Sep 8, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Gary Hurst via Mercedes wrote: the best peaches i've seen are on the GA/SC border area. new jersey also has great peaches that aren't talked about enough. i'd rather an SC peach than a GA peach as i am more confident an SC peach will come from this region On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I go across the road and get fresh SC peaches. 0.5 mile round trip, a bit over 3 minutes --R On 9/8/14 4:46 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: SWMBA came down from AK to get her household effects. She also wanted to do her annual peach canning session. I figured out the fruit stand over the mountains was open fairly early, so I did the 200 mile trip to get her three boxes. A bit over three hours before breakfast, and I had fresh fruit on my corn flakes. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I have an apple tree in the front yard of my new home. How can I identify the variety just from the fruit itself? They are a crisp, juicy, tart reddish/green apple perfect for pies. Excellent flavor and not of a common variety. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 8:03 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: You hit the nail on the head, local fruit is always the best fruit. Stuff that has to be shipped is picked before its ripe and ripens either in a truck or on a shelf. Neither is what you'd want for best flavor. -Curt From: clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2014 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius I had the SC and GA peaches. I found them to be not all they are cracked up to be. Local to me seemed to have the best taste. Enough cold days and warm summer for perfection. clay On Sep 8, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Gary Hurst via Mercedes wrote: the best peaches i've seen are on the GA/SC border area. new jersey also has great peaches that aren't talked about enough. i'd rather an SC peach than a GA peach as i am more confident an SC peach will come from this region On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I go across the road and get fresh SC peaches. 0.5 mile round trip, a bit over 3 minutes --R On 9/8/14 4:46 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: SWMBA came down from AK to get her household effects. She also wanted to do her annual peach canning session. I figured out the fruit stand over the mountains was open fairly early, so I did the 200 mile trip to get her three boxes. A bit over three hours before breakfast, and I had fresh fruit on my corn flakes. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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How can I identify the [apple] variety just from the fruit itself? They are a crisp, juicy, tart reddish/green apple perfect for pies. Excellent flavor and not of a common variety. When do they ripen? That's usually a big clue. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I'm sure there is at least one heritage and heirloom apple site on the internet, with pictures. You can indeed identify your tree by the apples. My boss up in Canada had some trees up the hill behind the house that I think were SnowQueen or Famouse (sp) -- one of the original named apples from ether England or France. The house was originally built before the American Revolution (Sailor's Encampment on St. Joseph's Island, Ontario), and I suspect from the condition and appearent age of the trees, they had been there since the place was built. Bright but darkish red skin with pronounced red streaks in the flesh, small, and the best tasting apples I've ever eaten. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Neighbors have priapisms. I rode in one around town. It is not a nice car. Second gen, and lower quality build than first gen (Grandma got one a decade or more ago). They are doing the same cost cutting that MBZ does clay On Sep 5, 2014, at 4:14 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I have never ridden in a Prius, but when looking at them from the outside always figured the ride would be harsh due to the small diameter wheels and short wheelbase. With that little distance between axles the chop from any road disturbance would have to be nasty. Say what you want, I love the W126 and W140 cars for long haul cruising. I drove the new W140 over 1,000 miles in under 24 hours and felt relaxed and refreshed. No sore back/butt, etc. Not many cars can do this nowadays. Dan On Sep 5, 2014, at 12:02 AM, Archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Rented a Prius for 24 hours yesterday since I'd never driven one. Handling was very good, engine very quiet, 49 mpg for mixed road and city driving. Instrumentation and controls were straightforward and visibility was remarkable; rear view mirrors were surprisingly effective. Combined with its excellent repair record during the first 8 or 10 years, it would be a good investment. That said, I wouldn't buy one for one principal reason: It rides rough and there seems to be little cushioning by the seat; you feel every bump. My old Beetles rode better. A Mercedes seat would help but that might be difficult or impossible to install. My reasons for buying a new or late model car are exceptional fuel economy and reliability on long trips; something the Prius would satisfy; but being pounded on rough roads for hours at a time would be unpleasant and tiring. Gerry..who might just drive his old Mercedes on long trips ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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There are an excess of the blue ones roaming my roads. Sometimes it looks like parade day on the freeway with them all lined up. I think the placement of the Obama sticker or the stick figure family is the only way to tell one from the other clay On Sep 5, 2014, at 7:03 AM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: That tassel induces drag; cuts into the mpg. Well, the antenna does, too. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius When you floorboard it, the engine and the electric motor together do make sort of a mooing sound. Prius' are getting thick around here. Saw one with a tassel on its antenna; obviously so the owner could find the right one in a parking lot. . Gerry On 9/5/2014 7:50 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: Prius drivers are cows in a herd! Hahahaha Sent from my iPhone On Sep 5, 2014, at 12:30 AM, Gary Hurst via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: 49 mpg! wow i rented a kia soul recently and really liked it On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 12:02 AM, Archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Rented a Prius for 24 hours yesterday since I'd never driven one. Handling was very good, engine very quiet, 49 mpg for mixed road and city driving. Instrumentation and controls were straightforward and visibility was remarkable; rear view mirrors were surprisingly effective. Combined with its excellent repair record during the first 8 or 10 years, it would be a good investment. That said, I wouldn't buy one for one principal reason: It rides rough and there seems to be little cushioning by the seat; you feel every bump. My old Beetles rode better. A Mercedes seat would help but that might be difficult or impossible to install. My reasons for buying a new or late model car are exceptional fuel economy and reliability on long trips; something the Prius would satisfy; but being pounded on rough roads for hours at a time would be unpleasant and tiring. Gerry..who might just drive his old Mercedes on long trips ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors
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SWMBA came down from AK to get her household effects. She also wanted to do her annual peach canning session. I figured out the fruit stand over the mountains was open fairly early, so I did the 200 mile trip to get her three boxes. A bit over three hours before breakfast, and I had fresh fruit on my corn flakes. clay On Sep 5, 2014, at 7:53 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: I'll take my '95 E300 with 348k miles across country any day. Long trips are the easiest driving for any car, it's the short-haul stuff around town that is really hard on them. Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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ATTABOY! Wilton - Original Message - From: clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius SWMBA came down from AK to get her household effects. She also wanted to do her annual peach canning session. I figured out the fruit stand over the mountains was open fairly early, so I did the 200 mile trip to get her three boxes. A bit over three hours before breakfast, and I had fresh fruit on my corn flakes. clay On Sep 5, 2014, at 7:53 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: I'll take my '95 E300 with 348k miles across country any day. Long trips are the easiest driving for any car, it's the short-haul stuff around town that is really hard on them. Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I go across the road and get fresh SC peaches. 0.5 mile round trip, a bit over 3 minutes --R On 9/8/14 4:46 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: SWMBA came down from AK to get her household effects. She also wanted to do her annual peach canning session. I figured out the fruit stand over the mountains was open fairly early, so I did the 200 mile trip to get her three boxes. A bit over three hours before breakfast, and I had fresh fruit on my corn flakes. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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the best peaches i've seen are on the GA/SC border area. new jersey also has great peaches that aren't talked about enough. i'd rather an SC peach than a GA peach as i am more confident an SC peach will come from this region On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I go across the road and get fresh SC peaches. 0.5 mile round trip, a bit over 3 minutes --R On 9/8/14 4:46 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: SWMBA came down from AK to get her household effects. She also wanted to do her annual peach canning session. I figured out the fruit stand over the mountains was open fairly early, so I did the 200 mile trip to get her three boxes. A bit over three hours before breakfast, and I had fresh fruit on my corn flakes. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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'Saw some mighty fine-looking GA peaches when we lived in Warner Robins - the fruit was mighty good, too. ;) One of 'em was our babysitter, who lived across the street - Miss GA, 1968 or '69. Wilton - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius the best peaches i've seen are on the GA/SC border area. new jersey also has great peaches that aren't talked about enough. i'd rather an SC peach than a GA peach as i am more confident an SC peach will come from this region On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I go across the road and get fresh SC peaches. 0.5 mile round trip, a bit over 3 minutes --R On 9/8/14 4:46 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: SWMBA came down from AK to get her household effects. She also wanted to do her annual peach canning session. I figured out the fruit stand over the mountains was open fairly early, so I did the 200 mile trip to get her three boxes. A bit over three hours before breakfast, and I had fresh fruit on my corn flakes. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Do be aware that if you're looking for a Starbucks in central or southern GA, the only one you'll find is at a Krogers just off base of Warner-Robins. Dan who was jonesing for a mocha last week in the neighborhood On Sep 8, 2014, at 5:55 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: 'Saw some mighty fine-looking GA peaches when we lived in Warner Robins - the fruit was mighty good, too. ;) One of 'em was our babysitter, who lived across the street - Miss GA, 1968 or '69. Wilton - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius the best peaches i've seen are on the GA/SC border area. new jersey also has great peaches that aren't talked about enough. i'd rather an SC peach than a GA peach as i am more confident an SC peach will come from this region On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I go across the road and get fresh SC peaches. 0.5 mile round trip, a bit over 3 minutes --R On 9/8/14 4:46 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: SWMBA came down from AK to get her household effects. She also wanted to do her annual peach canning session. I figured out the fruit stand over the mountains was open fairly early, so I did the 200 mile trip to get her three boxes. A bit over three hours before breakfast, and I had fresh fruit on my corn flakes. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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SC grows more peaches (the fruit kind) than GA, and a bunch more varieties too. Right now I am getting some large freestones that are very sweet and tasty. The different varieties seem to come in at different times. Wilton is a riot. --R On 9/8/14 5:55 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: 'Saw some mighty fine-looking GA peaches when we lived in Warner Robins - the fruit was mighty good, too. ;) One of 'em was our babysitter, who lived across the street - Miss GA, 1968 or '69. Wilton - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius the best peaches i've seen are on the GA/SC border area. new jersey also has great peaches that aren't talked about enough. i'd rather an SC peach than a GA peach as i am more confident an SC peach will come from this region On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I go across the road and get fresh SC peaches. 0.5 mile round trip, a bit over 3 minutes --R On 9/8/14 4:46 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: SWMBA came down from AK to get her household effects. She also wanted to do her annual peach canning session. I figured out the fruit stand over the mountains was open fairly early, so I did the 200 mile trip to get her three boxes. A bit over three hours before breakfast, and I had fresh fruit on my corn flakes. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I've gotten a few (yellow freestone and some white ones) from a local farmer... (And I can always find a place to park close to the stand instead of quite a ways back...) It's hard to say which I enjoy more, but you need a paper towel to eat either variety. Btw what's this newfangled fad with donut peaches? -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Sep 8, 2014, at 18:14, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: SC grows more peaches (the fruit kind) than GA, and a bunch more varieties too. Right now I am getting some large freestones that are very sweet and tasty. The different varieties seem to come in at different times. Wilton is a riot. --R On 9/8/14 5:55 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: 'Saw some mighty fine-looking GA peaches when we lived in Warner Robins - the fruit was mighty good, too. ;) One of 'em was our babysitter, who lived across the street - Miss GA, 1968 or '69. Wilton - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius the best peaches i've seen are on the GA/SC border area. new jersey also has great peaches that aren't talked about enough. i'd rather an SC peach than a GA peach as i am more confident an SC peach will come from this region On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I go across the road and get fresh SC peaches. 0.5 mile round trip, a bit over 3 minutes --R On 9/8/14 4:46 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: SWMBA came down from AK to get her household effects. She also wanted to do her annual peach canning session. I figured out the fruit stand over the mountains was open fairly early, so I did the 200 mile trip to get her three boxes. A bit over three hours before breakfast, and I had fresh fruit on my corn flakes. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Colorado has some great peaches as well. There were three peach trees in the backyard of the house that we rented for a year while we were there. I think that those peaches were the best peaches I have ever eaten! Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon Sent from my iPhone On Sep 8, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Gary Hurst via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: the best peaches i've seen are on the GA/SC border area. new jersey also has great peaches that aren't talked about enough. i'd rather an SC peach than a GA peach as i am more confident an SC peach will come from this region On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I go across the road and get fresh SC peaches. 0.5 mile round trip, a bit over 3 minutes --R On 9/8/14 4:46 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: SWMBA came down from AK to get her household effects. She also wanted to do her annual peach canning session. I figured out the fruit stand over the mountains was open fairly early, so I did the 200 mile trip to get her three boxes. A bit over three hours before breakfast, and I had fresh fruit on my corn flakes. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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i doubt that On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Do be aware that if you're looking for a Starbucks in central or southern GA, the only one you'll find is at a Krogers just off base of Warner-Robins. Dan who was jonesing for a mocha last week in the neighborhood On Sep 8, 2014, at 5:55 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: 'Saw some mighty fine-looking GA peaches when we lived in Warner Robins - the fruit was mighty good, too. ;) One of 'em was our babysitter, who lived across the street - Miss GA, 1968 or '69. Wilton - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius the best peaches i've seen are on the GA/SC border area. new jersey also has great peaches that aren't talked about enough. i'd rather an SC peach than a GA peach as i am more confident an SC peach will come from this region On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I go across the road and get fresh SC peaches. 0.5 mile round trip, a bit over 3 minutes --R On 9/8/14 4:46 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: SWMBA came down from AK to get her household effects. She also wanted to do her annual peach canning session. I figured out the fruit stand over the mountains was open fairly early, so I did the 200 mile trip to get her three boxes. A bit over three hours before breakfast, and I had fresh fruit on my corn flakes. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Finally, someone else who calls it a priapism!!! Sent from my iPhone On Sep 8, 2014, at 4:40 PM, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Neighbors have priapisms. I rode in one around town. It is not a nice car. Second gen, and lower quality build than first gen (Grandma got one a decade or more ago). They are doing the same cost cutting that MBZ does clay On Sep 5, 2014, at 4:14 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I have never ridden in a Prius, but when looking at them from the outside always figured the ride would be harsh due to the small diameter wheels and short wheelbase. With that little distance between axles the chop from any road disturbance would have to be nasty. Say what you want, I love the W126 and W140 cars for long haul cruising. I drove the new W140 over 1,000 miles in under 24 hours and felt relaxed and refreshed. No sore back/butt, etc. Not many cars can do this nowadays. Dan On Sep 5, 2014, at 12:02 AM, Archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Rented a Prius for 24 hours yesterday since I'd never driven one. Handling was very good, engine very quiet, 49 mpg for mixed road and city driving. Instrumentation and controls were straightforward and visibility was remarkable; rear view mirrors were surprisingly effective. Combined with its excellent repair record during the first 8 or 10 years, it would be a good investment. That said, I wouldn't buy one for one principal reason: It rides rough and there seems to be little cushioning by the seat; you feel every bump. My old Beetles rode better. A Mercedes seat would help but that might be difficult or impossible to install. My reasons for buying a new or late model car are exceptional fuel economy and reliability on long trips; something the Prius would satisfy; but being pounded on rough roads for hours at a time would be unpleasant and tiring. Gerry..who might just drive his old Mercedes on long trips ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Yes I was ruminating on several jokes about that term the venrrable hybtid. On Sep 8, 2014 7:56 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Finally, someone else who calls it a priapism!!! Sent from my iPhone On Sep 8, 2014, at 4:40 PM, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Neighbors have priapisms. I rode in one around town. It is not a nice car. Second gen, and lower quality build than first gen (Grandma got one a decade or more ago). They are doing the same cost cutting that MBZ does clay On Sep 5, 2014, at 4:14 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I have never ridden in a Prius, but when looking at them from the outside always figured the ride would be harsh due to the small diameter wheels and short wheelbase. With that little distance between axles the chop from any road disturbance would have to be nasty. Say what you want, I love the W126 and W140 cars for long haul cruising. I drove the new W140 over 1,000 miles in under 24 hours and felt relaxed and refreshed. No sore back/butt, etc. Not many cars can do this nowadays. Dan On Sep 5, 2014, at 12:02 AM, Archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Rented a Prius for 24 hours yesterday since I'd never driven one. Handling was very good, engine very quiet, 49 mpg for mixed road and city driving. Instrumentation and controls were straightforward and visibility was remarkable; rear view mirrors were surprisingly effective. Combined with its excellent repair record during the first 8 or 10 years, it would be a good investment. That said, I wouldn't buy one for one principal reason: It rides rough and there seems to be little cushioning by the seat; you feel every bump. My old Beetles rode better. A Mercedes seat would help but that might be difficult or impossible to install. My reasons for buying a new or late model car are exceptional fuel economy and reliability on long trips; something the Prius would satisfy; but being pounded on rough roads for hours at a time would be unpleasant and tiring. Gerry..who might just drive his old Mercedes on long trips ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Remember, somebody has to pay for the stuff. Hulu+, Amazon Prime and Netflix are all the new models. I think Hulu has had a difficult time getting advertisers to pay and is thus pushing more Hulu+. If you keep up with a series you can watch them for free only having to live through the commercials. I still like it for watching older shows that I wanted to watch but missed out on. Simon and Simon for instance. -Curt From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 5, 2014 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius Curt wrote: Television is so ten years ago, all the cool kids watch the internet... I agree - television is dead. I look at hulu for shows that might be marginally interesting but most shows are reality shows. I see zero reality in any of those offerings. Who watches that stuff? It seems like the hulu financial model intends to shift viewers over to hulu+ which is no different than cable - pay television. It is not worth the dollar so internet is the way to see television, if there is any out there to be seen, and where? - hulu going to pay-tv is an internet-tv ruination. Where else can shows be seen? youtube, as you mention, any others? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I've got a smart ED, and the limited range is fine for me. If I were always charging it at home (as opposed to at the train station...) I would be paying less than $4/100mi in electricity. For the most part it handles like it has sport suspension, and corners exceptionally well (due to the battery pack being under the floorpan), but it can be rough on dips/potholes and speed bumps. I believe it would be possible to get serious air time off of one of the traffic calming speed humps... Time for a General Wee paint job/wrap? (See http://facebook.com/generalwee for a photo...) But it is totally impractical for any long drive... And absolutely perfect as a runabout. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Sep 5, 2014, at 0:30, Gary Hurst via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: 49 mpg! wow i rented a kia soul recently and really liked it On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 12:02 AM, Archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Rented a Prius for 24 hours yesterday since I'd never driven one. Handling was very good, engine very quiet, 49 mpg for mixed road and city driving. Instrumentation and controls were straightforward and visibility was remarkable; rear view mirrors were surprisingly effective. Combined with its excellent repair record during the first 8 or 10 years, it would be a good investment. That said, I wouldn't buy one for one principal reason: It rides rough and there seems to be little cushioning by the seat; you feel every bump. My old Beetles rode better. A Mercedes seat would help but that might be difficult or impossible to install. My reasons for buying a new or late model car are exceptional fuel economy and reliability on long trips; something the Prius would satisfy; but being pounded on rough roads for hours at a time would be unpleasant and tiring. Gerry..who might just drive his old Mercedes on long trips ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Did you get a free hamster suit with the rental? Dan who is Soulless On Sep 5, 2014, at 12:30 AM, Gary Hurst via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: 49 mpg! wow i rented a kia soul recently and really liked it ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I have never ridden in a Prius, but when looking at them from the outside always figured the ride would be harsh due to the small diameter wheels and short wheelbase. With that little distance between axles the chop from any road disturbance would have to be nasty. Say what you want, I love the W126 and W140 cars for long haul cruising. I drove the new W140 over 1,000 miles in under 24 hours and felt relaxed and refreshed. No sore back/butt, etc. Not many cars can do this nowadays. Dan On Sep 5, 2014, at 12:02 AM, Archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Rented a Prius for 24 hours yesterday since I'd never driven one. Handling was very good, engine very quiet, 49 mpg for mixed road and city driving. Instrumentation and controls were straightforward and visibility was remarkable; rear view mirrors were surprisingly effective. Combined with its excellent repair record during the first 8 or 10 years, it would be a good investment. That said, I wouldn't buy one for one principal reason: It rides rough and there seems to be little cushioning by the seat; you feel every bump. My old Beetles rode better. A Mercedes seat would help but that might be difficult or impossible to install. My reasons for buying a new or late model car are exceptional fuel economy and reliability on long trips; something the Prius would satisfy; but being pounded on rough roads for hours at a time would be unpleasant and tiring. Gerry..who might just drive his old Mercedes on long trips ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Prius drivers are cows in a herd! Hahahaha Sent from my iPhone On Sep 5, 2014, at 12:30 AM, Gary Hurst via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: 49 mpg! wow i rented a kia soul recently and really liked it On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 12:02 AM, Archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Rented a Prius for 24 hours yesterday since I'd never driven one. Handling was very good, engine very quiet, 49 mpg for mixed road and city driving. Instrumentation and controls were straightforward and visibility was remarkable; rear view mirrors were surprisingly effective. Combined with its excellent repair record during the first 8 or 10 years, it would be a good investment. That said, I wouldn't buy one for one principal reason: It rides rough and there seems to be little cushioning by the seat; you feel every bump. My old Beetles rode better. A Mercedes seat would help but that might be difficult or impossible to install. My reasons for buying a new or late model car are exceptional fuel economy and reliability on long trips; something the Prius would satisfy; but being pounded on rough roads for hours at a time would be unpleasant and tiring. Gerry..who might just drive his old Mercedes on long trips ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Did the Pious have the factory-installed Obama sticker prominent on the hatch lid?? --R On 9/5/14 7:50 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: Prius drivers are cows in a herd! Hahahaha Sent from my iPhone On Sep 5, 2014, at 12:30 AM, Gary Hurst via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: 49 mpg! wow i rented a kia soul recently and really liked it On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 12:02 AM, Archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Rented a Prius for 24 hours yesterday since I'd never driven one. Handling was very good, engine very quiet, 49 mpg for mixed road and city driving. Instrumentation and controls were straightforward and visibility was remarkable; rear view mirrors were surprisingly effective. Combined with its excellent repair record during the first 8 or 10 years, it would be a good investment. That said, I wouldn't buy one for one principal reason: It rides rough and there seems to be little cushioning by the seat; you feel every bump. My old Beetles rode better. A Mercedes seat would help but that might be difficult or impossible to install. My reasons for buying a new or late model car are exceptional fuel economy and reliability on long trips; something the Prius would satisfy; but being pounded on rough roads for hours at a time would be unpleasant and tiring. Gerry..who might just drive his old Mercedes on long trips ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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When you floorboard it, the engine and the electric motor together do make sort of a mooing sound. Prius' are getting thick around here. Saw one with a tassel on its antenna; obviously so the owner could find the right one in a parking lot. . Gerry On 9/5/2014 7:50 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: Prius drivers are cows in a herd! Hahahaha Sent from my iPhone On Sep 5, 2014, at 12:30 AM, Gary Hurst via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: 49 mpg! wow i rented a kia soul recently and really liked it On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 12:02 AM, Archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Rented a Prius for 24 hours yesterday since I'd never driven one. Handling was very good, engine very quiet, 49 mpg for mixed road and city driving. Instrumentation and controls were straightforward and visibility was remarkable; rear view mirrors were surprisingly effective. Combined with its excellent repair record during the first 8 or 10 years, it would be a good investment. That said, I wouldn't buy one for one principal reason: It rides rough and there seems to be little cushioning by the seat; you feel every bump. My old Beetles rode better. A Mercedes seat would help but that might be difficult or impossible to install. My reasons for buying a new or late model car are exceptional fuel economy and reliability on long trips; something the Prius would satisfy; but being pounded on rough roads for hours at a time would be unpleasant and tiring. Gerry..who might just drive his old Mercedes on long trips ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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No, just an invitation to join the Green Party in the glove compartment. Gerry On 9/5/2014 8:50 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: Did the Pious have the factory-installed Obama sticker prominent on the hatch lid?? --R On 9/5/14 7:50 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: Prius drivers are cows in a herd! Hahahaha Sent from my iPhone On Sep 5, 2014, at 12:30 AM, Gary Hurst via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: 49 mpg! wow i rented a kia soul recently and really liked it On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 12:02 AM, Archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Rented a Prius for 24 hours yesterday since I'd never driven one. Handling was very good, engine very quiet, 49 mpg for mixed road and city driving. Instrumentation and controls were straightforward and visibility was remarkable; rear view mirrors were surprisingly effective. Combined with its excellent repair record during the first 8 or 10 years, it would be a good investment. That said, I wouldn't buy one for one principal reason: It rides rough and there seems to be little cushioning by the seat; you feel every bump. My old Beetles rode better. A Mercedes seat would help but that might be difficult or impossible to install. My reasons for buying a new or late model car are exceptional fuel economy and reliability on long trips; something the Prius would satisfy; but being pounded on rough roads for hours at a time would be unpleasant and tiring. Gerry..who might just drive his old Mercedes on long trips ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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That tassel induces drag; cuts into the mpg. Well, the antenna does, too. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius When you floorboard it, the engine and the electric motor together do make sort of a mooing sound. Prius' are getting thick around here. Saw one with a tassel on its antenna; obviously so the owner could find the right one in a parking lot. . Gerry On 9/5/2014 7:50 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: Prius drivers are cows in a herd! Hahahaha Sent from my iPhone On Sep 5, 2014, at 12:30 AM, Gary Hurst via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: 49 mpg! wow i rented a kia soul recently and really liked it On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 12:02 AM, Archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Rented a Prius for 24 hours yesterday since I'd never driven one. Handling was very good, engine very quiet, 49 mpg for mixed road and city driving. Instrumentation and controls were straightforward and visibility was remarkable; rear view mirrors were surprisingly effective. Combined with its excellent repair record during the first 8 or 10 years, it would be a good investment. That said, I wouldn't buy one for one principal reason: It rides rough and there seems to be little cushioning by the seat; you feel every bump. My old Beetles rode better. A Mercedes seat would help but that might be difficult or impossible to install. My reasons for buying a new or late model car are exceptional fuel economy and reliability on long trips; something the Prius would satisfy; but being pounded on rough roads for hours at a time would be unpleasant and tiring. Gerry..who might just drive his old Mercedes on long trips ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I'll take my '95 E300 with 348k miles across country any day. Long trips are the easiest driving for any car, it's the short-haul stuff around town that is really hard on them. Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Did you really get 49mpg or did the instant read tell you 49mpg? I think you'll find in only highway driving the mileage will go down significantly. Go test drive a Passat, or rent one. I had one last week in LA, great car. The only thing I dislike is the DSG (dual sport(?) gearbox) which a manual transmission posing as an auto. I just don't like the feeling of the shifts. I'm sure most people don't even notice. Prius starts at $24,000, Passat starts at $21,000, Jetta starts at $16,000. Jetta and Prius are about the same size and the Jetta is purported will do 30mpg with the gas engine. You could buy a helluva lot of gas for $10,000... -Curt From: Archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 5, 2014 12:02 AM Subject: [MBZ] Testing Prius Rented a Prius for 24 hours yesterday since I'd never driven one. Handling was very good, engine very quiet, 49 mpg for mixed road and city driving. Instrumentation and controls were straightforward and visibility was remarkable; rear view mirrors were surprisingly effective. Combined with its excellent repair record during the first 8 or 10 years, it would be a good investment. That said, I wouldn't buy one for one principal reason: It rides rough and there seems to be little cushioning by the seat; you feel every bump. My old Beetles rode better. A Mercedes seat would help but that might be difficult or impossible to install. My reasons for buying a new or late model car are exceptional fuel economy and reliability on long trips; something the Prius would satisfy; but being pounded on rough roads for hours at a time would be unpleasant and tiring. Gerry..who might just drive his old Mercedes on long trips ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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it seems it was just a reading off the dash and not anything actually physically measured the jetta i'd want is about double that On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Did you really get 49mpg or did the instant read tell you 49mpg? I think you'll find in only highway driving the mileage will go down significantly. Go test drive a Passat, or rent one. I had one last week in LA, great car. The only thing I dislike is the DSG (dual sport(?) gearbox) which a manual transmission posing as an auto. I just don't like the feeling of the shifts. I'm sure most people don't even notice. Prius starts at $24,000, Passat starts at $21,000, Jetta starts at $16,000. Jetta and Prius are about the same size and the Jetta is purported will do 30mpg with the gas engine. You could buy a helluva lot of gas for $10,000... -Curt From: Archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 5, 2014 12:02 AM Subject: [MBZ] Testing Prius Rented a Prius for 24 hours yesterday since I'd never driven one. Handling was very good, engine very quiet, 49 mpg for mixed road and city driving. Instrumentation and controls were straightforward and visibility was remarkable; rear view mirrors were surprisingly effective. Combined with its excellent repair record during the first 8 or 10 years, it would be a good investment. That said, I wouldn't buy one for one principal reason: It rides rough and there seems to be little cushioning by the seat; you feel every bump. My old Beetles rode better. A Mercedes seat would help but that might be difficult or impossible to install. My reasons for buying a new or late model car are exceptional fuel economy and reliability on long trips; something the Prius would satisfy; but being pounded on rough roads for hours at a time would be unpleasant and tiring. Gerry..who might just drive his old Mercedes on long trips ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Instant read. Since Pruis' gets 44-45 mpg consistently on the highway, and there was a good bit of stop and go regenerative driving in town, 49 mpg might be close. Son has a Hybrid Ford Fusion with Prius hybrid electronics. Instant read showed 37 mpg on fast 80 mph trip from Nashville to Orlando in that fairly heavy car and he didn't believe it. He checked it the usual way on a similar trip, and sure enough, it got around 37 mpg. From that I would guess that Prius' instant read is close to correct. Gerry On 9/5/2014 11:23 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Did you really get 49mpg or did the instant read tell you 49mpg? I think you'll find in only highway driving the mileage will go down significantly. Go test drive a Passat, or rent one. I had one last week in LA, great car. The only thing I dislike is the DSG (dual sport(?) gearbox) which a manual transmission posing as an auto. I just don't like the feeling of the shifts. I'm sure most people don't even notice. Prius starts at $24,000, Passat starts at $21,000, Jetta starts at $16,000. Jetta and Prius are about the same size and the Jetta is purported will do 30mpg with the gas engine. You could buy a helluva lot of gas for $10,000... -Curt From: Archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 5, 2014 12:02 AM Subject: [MBZ] Testing Prius Rented a Prius for 24 hours yesterday since I'd never driven one. Handling was very good, engine very quiet, 49 mpg for mixed road and city driving. Instrumentation and controls were straightforward and visibility was remarkable; rear view mirrors were surprisingly effective. Combined with its excellent repair record during the first 8 or 10 years, it would be a good investment. That said, I wouldn't buy one for one principal reason: It rides rough and there seems to be little cushioning by the seat; you feel every bump. My old Beetles rode better. A Mercedes seat would help but that might be difficult or impossible to install. My reasons for buying a new or late model car are exceptional fuel economy and reliability on long trips; something the Prius would satisfy; but being pounded on rough roads for hours at a time would be unpleasant and tiring. Gerry..who might just drive his old Mercedes on long trips ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I had a Kia Soul rental back in February. Great car, I really liked it. For a larger gentlemen like yourself it would be a good choice for ease of entrance and exit. I don't recall the mpg numbers but fueleconomy.gov suggests as good (or slightly better) as a gasser Passat. The ride is not as plush but the carrying capacity is probably better. -Curt From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, September 5, 2014 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius if i got one, i'd get the sportswagen. i might just get the kia soul though but the mpg numbers on that for me might be as bad as half as good as the diesel VW On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 11:49 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I drove a TDI last year, a 2012 model, that was $23,000. It was pretty base, 6spd manual trans, no satellite radio or sat/nav neither of which I particularly want. That car is rated at 45mpg I think but should do much better. My boss has a 2013 Passat and reports 47-48mpg in mostly highway driving. I *think* my Jetta has a chip (ie. computer upgrade) which is why it feels slightly more powerful than the other '98 Jetta I drove and seems to get better mileage than most. All winter it hovered right around 50mpg and this summer has hit 55mpg a couple times. -Curt From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 5, 2014 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius it seems it was just a reading off the dash and not anything actually physically measured the jetta i'd want is about double that On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Did you really get 49mpg or did the instant read tell you 49mpg? I think you'll find in only highway driving the mileage will go down significantly. Go test drive a Passat, or rent one. I had one last week in LA, great car. The only thing I dislike is the DSG (dual sport(?) gearbox) which a manual transmission posing as an auto. I just don't like the feeling of the shifts. I'm sure most people don't even notice. Prius starts at $24,000, Passat starts at $21,000, Jetta starts at $16,000. Jetta and Prius are about the same size and the Jetta is purported will do 30mpg with the gas engine. You could buy a helluva lot of gas for $10,000... -Curt From: Archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 5, 2014 12:02 AM Subject: [MBZ] Testing Prius Rented a Prius for 24 hours yesterday since I'd never driven one. Handling was very good, engine very quiet, 49 mpg for mixed road and city driving. Instrumentation and controls were straightforward and visibility was remarkable; rear view mirrors were surprisingly effective. Combined with its excellent repair record during the first 8 or 10 years, it would be a good investment. That said, I wouldn't buy one for one principal reason: It rides rough and there seems to be little cushioning by the seat; you feel every bump. My old Beetles rode better. A Mercedes seat would help but that might be difficult or impossible to install. My reasons for buying a new or late model car are exceptional fuel economy and reliability on long trips; something the Prius would satisfy; but being pounded on rough roads for hours at a time would be unpleasant and tiring. Gerry..who might just drive his old Mercedes on long trips ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars www.BuyEUROparts.com -- reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars www.BuyEUROparts.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All
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MPG is not the only thing I like about Prius: worldwide installed base (more used parts available), large amount of load carrying space via back door, excellent repair record, good advice on several forums/lists, etc. Since diesel is 60 cents more per gallon here in the backwoods, the saving on fuel is even more significant. Besides that, working on a Prius (after 45 years of working on Mercedes) should be interesting and maybe exciting since there is as much as 560 volts on the battery/motor system according to the manual. [:o) Gerry On 9/5/2014 11:35 AM, Gary Hurst via Mercedes wrote: it seems it was just a reading off the dash and not anything actually physically measured the jetta i'd want is about double that On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Did you really get 49mpg or did the instant read tell you 49mpg? I think you'll find in only highway driving the mileage will go down significantly. Go test drive a Passat, or rent one. I had one last week in LA, great car. The only thing I dislike is the DSG (dual sport(?) gearbox) which a manual transmission posing as an auto. I just don't like the feeling of the shifts. I'm sure most people don't even notice. Prius starts at $24,000, Passat starts at $21,000, Jetta starts at $16,000. Jetta and Prius are about the same size and the Jetta is purported will do 30mpg with the gas engine. You could buy a helluva lot of gas for $10,000... -Curt From: Archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 5, 2014 12:02 AM Subject: [MBZ] Testing Prius Rented a Prius for 24 hours yesterday since I'd never driven one. Handling was very good, engine very quiet, 49 mpg for mixed road and city driving. Instrumentation and controls were straightforward and visibility was remarkable; rear view mirrors were surprisingly effective. Combined with its excellent repair record during the first 8 or 10 years, it would be a good investment. That said, I wouldn't buy one for one principal reason: It rides rough and there seems to be little cushioning by the seat; you feel every bump. My old Beetles rode better. A Mercedes seat would help but that might be difficult or impossible to install. My reasons for buying a new or late model car are exceptional fuel economy and reliability on long trips; something the Prius would satisfy; but being pounded on rough roads for hours at a time would be unpleasant and tiring. Gerry..who might just drive his old Mercedes on long trips ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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And you get a free hamster suit, too! Dan Sent from my iPad On Sep 5, 2014, at 12:07 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I had a Kia Soul rental back in February. Great car, I really liked it. For a larger gentlemen like yourself it would be a good choice for ease of entrance and exit. I don't recall the mpg numbers but fueleconomy.gov suggests as good (or slightly better) as a gasser Passat. The ride is not as plush but the carrying capacity is probably better. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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The computer setup in my F150 seems to be pretty able to calculate fuel usage. I filled it this week and it said I used 74 liters and that is what I pumped in. Sometimes it will be off a liter or two but that may depend on how much I fill it etc so I am reasonably impressed with its ability to determine mileage. It shows me 12.2 l per 100 k so that works out to almost 23 mpg on the imp gallon which is better than my previous truck did most of the time but still not wonderful. Of course, that was on a trip from here to the lake where part of the run is reasonably flat and fast - 80 mph for 80 miles and then a more hilly and curvy part for 80 miles or more X2 as we also came back, plus some running around out at the lake, launching and retrieving the boat etc. Not really heavily loaded but 3 grown men and luggage etc so not empty either. And it rained part of the way back so not the most opportune for mileage. RB On 05/09/2014 10:23 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Did you really get 49mpg or did the instant read tell you 49mpg? I think you'll find in only highway driving the mileage will go down significantly. Go test drive a Passat, or rent one. I had one last week in LA, great car. The only thing I dislike is the DSG (dual sport(?) gearbox) which a manual transmission posing as an auto. I just don't like the feeling of the shifts. I'm sure most people don't even notice. Prius starts at $24,000, Passat starts at $21,000, Jetta starts at $16,000. Jetta and Prius are about the same size and the Jetta is purported will do 30mpg with the gas engine. You could buy a helluva lot of gas for $10,000... -Curt From: Archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 5, 2014 12:02 AM Subject: [MBZ] Testing Prius Rented a Prius for 24 hours yesterday since I'd never driven one. Handling was very good, engine very quiet, 49 mpg for mixed road and city driving. Instrumentation and controls were straightforward and visibility was remarkable; rear view mirrors were surprisingly effective. Combined with its excellent repair record during the first 8 or 10 years, it would be a good investment. That said, I wouldn't buy one for one principal reason: It rides rough and there seems to be little cushioning by the seat; you feel every bump. My old Beetles rode better. A Mercedes seat would help but that might be difficult or impossible to install. My reasons for buying a new or late model car are exceptional fuel economy and reliability on long trips; something the Prius would satisfy; but being pounded on rough roads for hours at a time would be unpleasant and tiring. Gerry..who might just drive his old Mercedes on long trips ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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WILTON via Mercedes wrote: That tassel induces drag; cuts into the mpg. Well, the antenna does, too. ;) Yeah, I'm surprised to hear they aren't wire on glass instead of whip antennae. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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The smug factor is worth at least $10k --R On 9/5/14 11:23 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Prius starts at $24,000, Passat starts at $21,000, Jetta starts at $16,000. Jetta and Prius are about the same size and the Jetta is purported will do 30mpg with the gas engine. You could buy a helluva lot of gas for $10,000... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Saw one along the road the other day with the hood up. Don't think I want one. Have had 3 Toyotas over time and cannot say any of them left a lasting good impression. Not anxious to do that again. A new Honda Civic is probably a better deal than a Prius and an Accord an even better answer. I like the photos of Dan's new MB but I don't know that I want one with mileage that high. I like the MB with the oval headlights - about a 97 E300? However, at that age, most will also have high miles. I might be dreaming but I doubt my 76 300D has gone around more than once. I know some of its history and it would appear that it has spent a lot of time not being used much. For my own example, I have driven it about 13 or 14K miles since July of 2005 when I bought it. That works out to an average of about 1500 miles per year. I have told this story before but it goes like this: An MD bought it new in Winnipeg from the dealer and kept it a long while. I don't have his name but I have some of the original documentation showing trips to the dealer for oil changes etc up to about 80K miles or so. I am assuming he drove it in the winter when it was new but got to where he did not but I could be mistaken on that. Someone likely did try to use it in the winter as the spare tire is a winter radial. His barber lived in a condo or apartment with underground parking and the MD started parking it at the barber's place for the winter. The barber ultimately bought it and he kept it a long while. The fellow I bought it from acquired it from the barber and had it re-painted. He did not use it much as he lived in a condo and had no parking for it at home. He kept it at his shop and drove it occasionally in summer. I got it in July 2005 at which time it showed 990 miles on the odometer. I have had to do nothing to it since I got it apart from changing oil annually and having the front seats re-padded. So, it is impossible really to tell, but I really wonder if it is only 115K miles or if it has more. I don't have any experience with high mileage MB's so nothing to compare it to but it certainly seems tight. My experience with most other brands of vehicles at higher mileage is that it usually feels somewhat worn. How is that for going off on a tangent? RB On 05/09/2014 12:49 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: The smug factor is worth at least $10k --R On 9/5/14 11:23 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Prius starts at $24,000, Passat starts at $21,000, Jetta starts at $16,000. Jetta and Prius are about the same size and the Jetta is purported will do 30mpg with the gas engine. You could buy a helluva lot of gas for $10,000... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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You did finally set the valves on the 300D didn't you? Hows that working out? I seem to remember the car was getting a little harder to start. Anybody interested in a Prius should watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7DFzl6ZU5k Actually anybody interested in old cars should be watching the Roadkill series period... -Curt From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 5, 2014 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius Saw one along the road the other day with the hood up. Don't think I want one. Have had 3 Toyotas over time and cannot say any of them left a lasting good impression. Not anxious to do that again. A new Honda Civic is probably a better deal than a Prius and an Accord an even better answer. I like the photos of Dan's new MB but I don't know that I want one with mileage that high. I like the MB with the oval headlights - about a 97 E300? However, at that age, most will also have high miles. I might be dreaming but I doubt my 76 300D has gone around more than once. I know some of its history and it would appear that it has spent a lot of time not being used much. For my own example, I have driven it about 13 or 14K miles since July of 2005 when I bought it. That works out to an average of about 1500 miles per year. I have told this story before but it goes like this: An MD bought it new in Winnipeg from the dealer and kept it a long while. I don't have his name but I have some of the original documentation showing trips to the dealer for oil changes etc up to about 80K miles or so. I am assuming he drove it in the winter when it was new but got to where he did not but I could be mistaken on that. Someone likely did try to use it in the winter as the spare tire is a winter radial. His barber lived in a condo or apartment with underground parking and the MD started parking it at the barber's place for the winter. The barber ultimately bought it and he kept it a long while. The fellow I bought it from acquired it from the barber and had it re-painted. He did not use it much as he lived in a condo and had no parking for it at home. He kept it at his shop and drove it occasionally in summer. I got it in July 2005 at which time it showed 990 miles on the odometer. I have had to do nothing to it since I got it apart from changing oil annually and having the front seats re-padded. So, it is impossible really to tell, but I really wonder if it is only 115K miles or if it has more. I don't have any experience with high mileage MB's so nothing to compare it to but it certainly seems tight. My experience with most other brands of vehicles at higher mileage is that it usually feels somewhat worn. How is that for going off on a tangent? RB On 05/09/2014 12:49 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: The smug factor is worth at least $10k --R On 9/5/14 11:23 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Prius starts at $24,000, Passat starts at $21,000, Jetta starts at $16,000. Jetta and Prius are about the same size and the Jetta is purported will do 30mpg with the gas engine. You could buy a helluva lot of gas for $10,000... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Yes, finally did re-adjust the valves. I think it starts faster. Someone suggested I should drive it some and then re-set again. Will likely wait until spring but will do that too. Not really a hard thing to do. Would like to find a ratcheting box end that fits the power steering pulley nut and add a bit on it so I could crank it over without sticking my arm down in by the rad as that was a bit of a pain. Apart from that, just need to remember which wrenches I used to do the one valve where the special wrenches did not fit well. Will see how it starts when it gets a bit colder. That was the starting issue as it got unhappy when the temperatures dropped off. RB On 05/09/2014 1:41 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: You did finally set the valves on the 300D didn't you? Hows that working out? I seem to remember the car was getting a little harder to start. Anybody interested in a Prius should watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7DFzl6ZU5k Actually anybody interested in old cars should be watching the Roadkill series period... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Nice! I was shocked how much quieter my '78 240D was after I finally did the valves myself. I think my Indy was leaving them a little loose or he was starting the car to take it in the shop before he did them. He certainly didn't take the time on them that I did... -Curt From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 5, 2014 2:46 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius Yes, finally did re-adjust the valves. I think it starts faster. Someone suggested I should drive it some and then re-set again. Will likely wait until spring but will do that too. Not really a hard thing to do. Would like to find a ratcheting box end that fits the power steering pulley nut and add a bit on it so I could crank it over without sticking my arm down in by the rad as that was a bit of a pain. Apart from that, just need to remember which wrenches I used to do the one valve where the special wrenches did not fit well. Will see how it starts when it gets a bit colder. That was the starting issue as it got unhappy when the temperatures dropped off. RB On 05/09/2014 1:41 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: You did finally set the valves on the 300D didn't you? Hows that working out? I seem to remember the car was getting a little harder to start. Anybody interested in a Prius should watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7DFzl6ZU5k Actually anybody interested in old cars should be watching the Roadkill series period... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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BTW I have to remember I can't make fun of our Super Crew anymore now that I'm a member of the fullsize truck club :) -Curt From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 5, 2014 2:46 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius Yes, finally did re-adjust the valves. I think it starts faster. Someone suggested I should drive it some and then re-set again. Will likely wait until spring but will do that too. Not really a hard thing to do. Would like to find a ratcheting box end that fits the power steering pulley nut and add a bit on it so I could crank it over without sticking my arm down in by the rad as that was a bit of a pain. Apart from that, just need to remember which wrenches I used to do the one valve where the special wrenches did not fit well. Will see how it starts when it gets a bit colder. That was the starting issue as it got unhappy when the temperatures dropped off. RB On 05/09/2014 1:41 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: You did finally set the valves on the 300D didn't you? Hows that working out? I seem to remember the car was getting a little harder to start. Anybody interested in a Prius should watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7DFzl6ZU5k Actually anybody interested in old cars should be watching the Roadkill series period... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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On 9/5/2014 1:17 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: WILTON via Mercedes wrote: That tassel induces drag; cuts into the mpg. Well, the antenna does, too. ;) Yeah, I'm surprised to hear they aren't wire on glass instead of whip antennae. Mitch. It's very short, more like the old in-car cellphone antennas, and in the middle of the top towards the back. The receiver possibly sees a better ground plane with it up there. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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On 05/09/2014 1:53 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: BTW I have to remember I can't make fun of our Super Crew anymore now that I'm a member of the fullsize truck club :) -Curt In my humble opinion, the 4 door truck is the best thing since sliced bread. I added a hard folding tonneau cover so now I can haul stuff in the box without worrying about rain. The stuff is also out of sight and reasonably secure with the tailgate locked so it is easier to stop for food etc. It is essentially a big comfortable sedan with an abilty to haul up to 6 people and all of their luggage and pull god only knows what behind if you need to do that too. My son brought his friend Brian with him to fish this last weekend. Tom is 6'3 and Brian is 6'5. Brian sat in the back seat and was truly amazed at the leg room available to him. The way that the back seats fold now is great too. If I fold the seats up I have a huge floor area to load whatever will fit. My 02 folded differently in that the seat back folded down so there was a reasonably flat area to pile stuff but it was not nearly so tall or flat. The only thing I miss about that setup is that there were compartments in the back of the cab behind the seat that were useful to store things. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Neighbor said I would have to start eating alfalfa sprouts, tofu, hummus, and join the Unitarian church if I bought a Prius. Gerry On 9/5/2014 1:49 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: The smug factor is worth at least $10k --R On 9/5/14 11:23 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Prius starts at $24,000, Passat starts at $21,000, Jetta starts at $16,000. Jetta and Prius are about the same size and the Jetta is purported will do 30mpg with the gas engine. You could buy a helluva lot of gas for $10,000... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Don't forget to grow a beard, wear birkenstocks with socks and long pants. -Curt From: Archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 5, 2014 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius Neighbor said I would have to start eating alfalfa sprouts, tofu, hummus, and join the Unitarian church if I bought a Prius. Gerry On 9/5/2014 1:49 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: The smug factor is worth at least $10k --R On 9/5/14 11:23 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Prius starts at $24,000, Passat starts at $21,000, Jetta starts at $16,000. Jetta and Prius are about the same size and the Jetta is purported will do 30mpg with the gas engine. You could buy a helluva lot of gas for $10,000... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Actually anybody interested in old cars should be watching the Roadkill series period... -Curt Have they done any on Mercedes? Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Yeah, I forgot he mentioned wooden shoes (Birkenstocks?). Gerry On 9/5/2014 3:39 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Don't forget to grow a beard, wear birkenstocks with socks and long pants. -Curt From: Archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 5, 2014 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius Neighbor said I would have to start eating alfalfa sprouts, tofu, hummus, and join the Unitarian church if I bought a Prius. Gerry On 9/5/2014 1:49 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: The smug factor is worth at least $10k --R On 9/5/14 11:23 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Prius starts at $24,000, Passat starts at $21,000, Jetta starts at $16,000. Jetta and Prius are about the same size and the Jetta is purported will do 30mpg with the gas engine. You could buy a helluva lot of gas for $10,000... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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What channel is Roadkill on? On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 3:57 PM, Archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yeah, I forgot he mentioned wooden shoes (Birkenstocks?). Gerry On 9/5/2014 3:39 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Don't forget to grow a beard, wear birkenstocks with socks and long pants. -Curt From: Archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 5, 2014 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius Neighbor said I would have to start eating alfalfa sprouts, tofu, hummus, and join the Unitarian church if I bought a Prius. Gerry On 9/5/2014 1:49 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: The smug factor is worth at least $10k --R On 9/5/14 11:23 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Prius starts at $24,000, Passat starts at $21,000, Jetta starts at $16,000. Jetta and Prius are about the same size and the Jetta is purported will do 30mpg with the gas engine. You could buy a helluva lot of gas for $10,000... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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And that applies to the women who drive them too. --R On 9/5/14 3:39 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Don't forget to grow a beard, wear birkenstocks with socks and long pants. -Curt From: Archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 5, 2014 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius Neighbor said I would have to start eating alfalfa sprouts, tofu, hummus, and join the Unitarian church if I bought a Prius. Gerry On 9/5/2014 1:49 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: The smug factor is worth at least $10k --R On 9/5/14 11:23 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Prius starts at $24,000, Passat starts at $21,000, Jetta starts at $16,000. Jetta and Prius are about the same size and the Jetta is purported will do 30mpg with the gas engine. You could buy a helluva lot of gas for $10,000... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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On Fri, 5 Sep 2014 16:05:18 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What channel is Roadkill on? On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 3:57 PM, Archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yeah, I forgot he mentioned wooden shoes (Birkenstocks?). Gerry On 9/5/2014 3:39 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Don't forget to grow a beard, wear birkenstocks with socks and long pants. It's on the one with the guy with a beard who hawks birkenstocks. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Not yet, mostly American muscle cars. The only exception is the Rotsun, a Datsun 240Z with a Chevy 4.6l in it... -Curt From: Archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 5, 2014 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius Actually anybody interested in old cars should be watching the Roadkill series period... -Curt Have they done any on Mercedes? Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Its part of the Motor Trend channel on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL12C0C916CECEA3BC Television is so ten years ago, all the cool kids watch the internet... -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 5, 2014 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius What channel is Roadkill on? On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 3:57 PM, Archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yeah, I forgot he mentioned wooden shoes (Birkenstocks?). Gerry On 9/5/2014 3:39 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Don't forget to grow a beard, wear birkenstocks with socks and long pants. -Curt From: Archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 5, 2014 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius Neighbor said I would have to start eating alfalfa sprouts, tofu, hummus, and join the Unitarian church if I bought a Prius. Gerry On 9/5/2014 1:49 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: The smug factor is worth at least $10k --R On 9/5/14 11:23 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Prius starts at $24,000, Passat starts at $21,000, Jetta starts at $16,000. Jetta and Prius are about the same size and the Jetta is purported will do 30mpg with the gas engine. You could buy a helluva lot of gas for $10,000... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Elon Musk is going to build lower price Teslas in his multi-billion dollar plant in Nevada. Two to three hundred mile range; 0-60 in 4.6 seconds; and 90 mpg equivalent fuel consumption. Might be worth waiting for one of those. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-07-31/panasonic-tesla-in-deal-to-build-battery-gigafactory-.html Gerry On 9/5/2014 3:39 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Don't forget to grow a beard, wear birkenstocks with socks and long pants. -Curt Neighbor said I would have to start eating alfalfa sprouts, tofu, hummus, and join the Unitarian church if I bought a Prius. Gerry On 9/5/2014 1:49 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: The smug factor is worth at least $10k --R On 9/5/14 11:23 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Prius starts at $24,000, Passat starts at $21,000, Jetta starts at $16,000. Jetta and Prius are about the same size and the Jetta is purported will do 30mpg with the gas engine. You could buy a helluva lot of gas for $10,000... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Curt wrote: Television is so ten years ago, all the cool kids watch the internet... I agree - television is dead. I look at hulu for shows that might be marginally interesting but most shows are reality shows. I see zero reality in any of those offerings. Who watches that stuff? It seems like the hulu financial model intends to shift viewers over to hulu+ which is no different than cable - pay television. It is not worth the dollar so internet is the way to see television, if there is any out there to be seen, and where? - hulu going to pay-tv is an internet-tv ruination. Where else can shows be seen? youtube, as you mention, any others? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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49 mpg! wow i rented a kia soul recently and really liked it On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 12:02 AM, Archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Rented a Prius for 24 hours yesterday since I'd never driven one. Handling was very good, engine very quiet, 49 mpg for mixed road and city driving. Instrumentation and controls were straightforward and visibility was remarkable; rear view mirrors were surprisingly effective. Combined with its excellent repair record during the first 8 or 10 years, it would be a good investment. That said, I wouldn't buy one for one principal reason: It rides rough and there seems to be little cushioning by the seat; you feel every bump. My old Beetles rode better. A Mercedes seat would help but that might be difficult or impossible to install. My reasons for buying a new or late model car are exceptional fuel economy and reliability on long trips; something the Prius would satisfy; but being pounded on rough roads for hours at a time would be unpleasant and tiring. Gerry..who might just drive his old Mercedes on long trips ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
