Re: Digest metacard.v003.n530
you can try finding the email address of a given user like that
my machine name here is kevin.kplab.com but my email addy isnt
[EMAIL PROTECTED], nor [EMAIL PROTECTED] its
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yes but you can do nslookup on bestweb.net to obtain the address of say
mail.bestweb.net and send the mail for
[EMAIL PROTECTED] there without using your own smtp server , can't you?
you dont know if sendmail is running on localhost, nor if the mail server they
ACTUALY use shares a primany domain with the localhost.
best just to ask, although it would be nice to see the programme make an
educated guess.
robin-david hammond
lead systems engineer
KPL
From: andu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Implementing mailto: Mac
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:35:42 -0400 (EDT)
Thanks to Dave and Sjoerd for arriving at the elegant 2-line solution on a PC:
put word 1 to -2 of \
queryRegistry("hkey_local_machine\software\classes\mailto\shell\open\command
\") \
into tBrowserPath
launch "mailto:"tAddress with tBrowserPath
I think originally you wanted to do this within MC. I just found out there is
nslookup for windows (probably a port from Linux) which can be called with
"shell()"
and return the mail server given the domain name([EMAIL PROTECTED]).
Nslookup is here: http://www.trumphurst.com/dnsocx/nslookup.exe
and the dos commands are :
Using nslookup, you can find the email server of your domain, as shown in the
sample session below.
Start a MS-DOS command prompt (in our case we use shell()) and type the
nslookup command:
C:\ nslookup
Default Server: youserver.yourdomain
Address: X.X.X.X
set type=MX
microsoft.com
microsoft.com MX preference = 10, mail exchanger =
mail1.microsoft.com
microsoft.com MX preference = 20, mail exchanger =
mail2.microsoft.com
microsoft.com MX preference = 30, mail exchanger =
mail3.microsoft.com
microsoft.com MX preference = 40, mail exchanger =
mail4.microsoft.com
microsoft.com MX preference = 50, mail exchanger =
mail5.microsoft.com
The lowest preference indicates the best (primary) mail server. A mailer
would try it first and if it
cannot connect to this server, it would use other servers (by order of
preference).
Now... Does anyone have the AppleEvent equivalent for a Mac?
I also found a perl script which gets the mail server name from
InternetConfig. It just needs to be translated into Metatalk:
use Mac::InternetConfig;
print $InternetConfig{kICSMTPHost()};
I tested it and it works I just don't know perl ;-)
/H
Hugh Senior
XIIdigitation, n.:
The practice of trying to determine the year a movie was made
by deciphering the Roman numerals at the end of the credits.
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Re: Implementing mailto: Mac
Thanks to Dave and Sjoerd for arriving at the elegant 2-line solution on a PC:
put word 1 to -2 of \
queryRegistry("hkey_local_machine\software\classes\mailto\shell\open\command
\") \
into tBrowserPath
launch "mailto:"tAddress with tBrowserPath
I think originally you wanted to do this within MC. I just found out there is nslookup
for windows (probably a port from Linux) which can be called with "shell()" and return
the mail server given the domain name([EMAIL PROTECTED]).
Nslookup is here: http://www.trumphurst.com/dnsocx/nslookup.exe
and the dos commands are :
Using nslookup, you can find the email server of your domain, as shown in the sample
session below.
Start a MS-DOS command prompt (in our case we use shell()) and type the nslookup
command:
C:\ nslookup
Default Server: youserver.yourdomain
Address: X.X.X.X
set type=MX
microsoft.com
microsoft.com MX preference = 10, mail exchanger =
mail1.microsoft.com
microsoft.com MX preference = 20, mail exchanger =
mail2.microsoft.com
microsoft.com MX preference = 30, mail exchanger =
mail3.microsoft.com
microsoft.com MX preference = 40, mail exchanger =
mail4.microsoft.com
microsoft.com MX preference = 50, mail exchanger =
mail5.microsoft.com
The lowest preference indicates the best (primary) mail server. A mailer would try
it first and if it
cannot connect to this server, it would use other servers (by order of
preference).
Now... Does anyone have the AppleEvent equivalent for a Mac?
I also found a perl script which gets the mail server name from InternetConfig. It
just needs to be translated into Metatalk:
use Mac::InternetConfig;
print $InternetConfig{kICSMTPHost()};
I tested it and it works I just don't know perl ;-)
/H
Hugh Senior
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Re: Rookie question - mouseUp on unlocked
Hi all I'm just fiddling around trying to learn how to use MC. I'm creating a simple temperature converter, and I've encountered a problem. My card consists of two fields (Degrees C and Degrees F), two labels(for the fields) and two buttons (Convert and Quit) If I understand the MetaTalk reference correctly (and it's more than likely I don't), an unlocked field doesn't receive mouseUp messages unless you hold down the ctrl key (I'm on a Mac). How then do I script the field to clear itself when I click in it? I've tried using a selectionChanged message handler, but it started acting weird. Here is the code I'm using. Tim, what you are trying to do is kind of against expectations but ... Imagine you entered the wrong number in one of the fields and you want to select some or all of it in order to delete/change it. Set the lockText of the fields to true when you click the Convert button; that would enable the fields to accept a mouseUp. In that mouseUp you can put empty into the 2 fields and set the lockText of them to false. on selectionChanged #or mouseUp put empty into field "Degrees C" put empty into field "Degrees F" #I want it to clear both fields select field "Degrees C"end selectionChanged #or mouseUp My plan is that you click on either field and it clears both. You then enter whichever value you have (Centigrade or Fahrenheit) into the field, and click the Convert button. Depending on which field you entered, the Convert button calculates the result and populates the other. TIA Tim Regards, Andu ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Can of Worms...
As a Mac developer I monitor both the Realbasic and Supercard lists. Whilst I'm active (and hopefully have assisted people) on this list, there are people using RB and SC who are asking questions which could easily be solved using MC. Previously, as a long term SC user, an MC 'mercenary' had a quiet word in my ear, and, poached me from the SC list many, many months ago. Although this person will remain anonymous I remain in their debt. The question is 'Do I maintain my competitive advantage by keeping quiet...' or 'assist by suggestion...' My philosophy on this issue is that a good tool in the hands of a bad mind is worth less then a bad tool in the hands of a good mind. At the same time a larger user base of MetaCard is beneficial to almost everybody involved with the product. The worst thing that can happen to a MC developer is to see possible clients shying away from their product because they never heard of MetaCard. Not to mention my recent experience with a web hosting company trying to use MC for cgi. TIA Gary Rathbone Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. . Regards, Andu ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: MC Statistics Builder
Hi fellow MC users. I recently needed to know how many lines of code I had in a completed project and print out some of those to paper. So I made a program that: 1. Counts all of your objects on your mainstack and substacks and display each accordingly 2. Compiles a complete copy of all of your code and labels each section. 3. Tells other general information about your stack. If anyone would like a copy and maybe make it better, that would be cool. I find it useful at times and thought others might too. If so, maybe x-worlds would host it as a tool for download. Could you please send me a copy? Thanks. -Mark Talluto Regards, Andu ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Ok, what now?
Hi all I've just downloaded the MetaCard starter kit, and had a bit of a look at the demo, and quite frankly it impressed the hell out of me. What I'd like now is a few ideas on how I might put this thing to good use. If anyone has any great ideas or tips on how make the most of MetaCard, please respond (on or off list as you prefer). The simple answer is that you can write almost any kind of application and/or utilities with it for at least 3 platforms. Some experience with Hypercard or Supercard is definitely helpful otherwise just take it step by step and ask all the stupid questions like most users do at some point or another ;-). Also there is an archive with previous posts at http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard which is most informative. The ideas should come from you but if you need help implementing them ask the list. Cheers Tim Regards, Andu ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: SendMail.mc preferences
Situation:
The need is a built-in email facility so the CDROM users can select any
listed destination email address, type a message and click 'Send'.
Question:
Using Windows, is there a way to identify the SMTP_Server information
(preferably also the user's email address) to automatically set up the
sendMail.mc preferences? SendMail.mc is the solution of choice rather than
a .html page!
e.g.
get queryRegistry("HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\plus\SMTPserverAddress)cr\
queryRegistry("HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\plus\UserAddress)
if it is not empty then ... etc
Andu?
Sorry, Windows is not my specialty but I'm sure there is a way.
/H
Hugh Senior
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Re: Detect all connection requests?
On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, Pierre Sahores wrote: Phil Davis wrote: I would like MC to detect all incoming connection requests, regardless of the requested port, and respond by issuing a message. I envision a message whose parameters contain all available info on the connection request. If the connection request is for a port where the stack is listening, this message would be fired before the socket is opened. For example: on socketRequest pPortNum, pRequestData if pPortNum is among the lines of the permittedPorts of me then pass socketRequest else put short date long time tab \ pPortNum tab \ digested(pRequestData) cr \ after url "file:log" end if end socketRequest Maybe it could be used to prevent the opening of an otherwise accepting port under certain conditions, similar to the way "closeStackRequest" can be used to prevent the closing of a stack. This feature would enable us to build things like firewalls that log all connection requests, whether they were honored or not. Does this sound useful to anyone besides me? -- Phil Davis --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] days: (503) 417-7930 eves: (503) 557-5656 --- Facilitator Essentials of eBusiness Computing Information Technology Institute http://www.iti.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. That's would realy be a top key feature Phil, even on unixes, probably usable to secure ip-chains configs... Is it a way to do that avalaible in mc, Scott ? I guess I really don't follow this. If what you're trying to build is some sort of proxy or firewall, this could probably be done with using the standard "accept" command. But there is no way for one process to "pass" a socket request onto another process, so you'd have to do it the way existing firewalls and proxies do: you accept a connection from outside and then open another a socket connection to the inside, then write data read from the outside socket to the inside socket. And I say "probably" because at least some types of socket-based protocols require access to low-level socket features not available in the MetaCard sockets API (out-of-band data being the most notable of these). A useful feature would be to be able to listen to *any* port (aside from the current behavior) and filter which ports to use later. Regards, Scott Regards, Andu ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: File Uploads
HTML (tags missing) input type=file" name="tupload" produces a text field and a "browse..." button on a web page allowing the user to select a file on their machine. When the Form is submitted my MC cgi stack is passed the path of the file. Is there anyway to 'suck' the file up from their machine (I've seen it done with PERL scripts). The server must support either POST or even better PUT (see the RFC) and provide a mechanism for reading the data coming in from the client. In other words the server doesn't need the path on the remote client; the client needs it in order for it to know which file to POST or PUT. The server receives whatever comes in and writes it to a local file. Hope that answered your question. Any pointers would be gratefully appreciated... TIA Gary Rathbone Regards, Andu ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Localhost: anyone know how to get
I think the answer is you can't, but it would be nice to work on server projects with the server running and talking to the browser. You want to run the server and the client on the same machine? (mac) All you need to do is : choose in the tcp/ip panel - connect via ethernet give the machine an IP address (any) and you are done. Start the server and point the client to http://IPAddress/fileName.html If you want both internet and local IP address you need a router (IPNet router) Or switch to Linux or both. Now I've followed some detailed instructions involving setting up the TCP/IP control panel to use the IP address 127.0.0.1 (which should work with an ethernet network), but does not work on a machine bereft of any network connection (as far as I can see).. Any ideas? Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. . Regards, Andu ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Localhost: anyone know how to
I think the answer is you can't, but it would be nice to work on server projects with the server running and talking to the browser. You want to run the server and the client on the same machine? (mac) All you need to do is : choose in the tcp/ip panel - connect via ethernet give the machine an IP address (any) and you are done. Start the server and point the client to http://IPAddress/fileName.html If you want both internet and local IP address you need a router (IPNet router) Or switch to Linux or both. Forgot to mention, If you are connected to internet with dynamic IP address you can use that address to connect a local client to a local server. Now I've followed some detailed instructions involving setting up the TCP/IP control panel to use the IP address 127.0.0.1 (which should work with an ethernet network), but does not work on a machine bereft of any network connection (as far as I can see).. Any ideas? Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. . Regards, Andu ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. . Regards, Andu ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Trapping Errors ..Mac to
Could you let us know how you configure the G4 TCP/IP so the browser and servers connect? I have a Java based server which listens and replies on Port 2001. I want to get Metacard and/or a browser to talk to this server. When the server loads it indicates that there is an open transport error, which I presume is due to a lack of an active TCP/IP connection Perhaps if I knew exactly how to do this with MCHTTP and a browser offline, I could work from there... If you read my previous post on TCP/IP and your server still not working maybe it's Java. Get my web server from cloud9.net/~undo, set your tcp/ip like I explained and the server works. Don't forget to set the port. Regards, Andu ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: client side http
Hi
I've been playing with the sockets features in order to try and
implement some client side http. I've been doing this because
Metacard's built-in http support won't work with some URLs (something
to do with the way aliasing is set up on the server, I think).
The script below is a crude first attempt at this. It simply loads
the data from the specified URL. (I've removed some stuff that was
specific to my situation.) So far, it seems to work, even with
previously unreachable URLs. Ideally, I'd like to be able to emulate
the built-in http features of Metacard, but using sockets. (I've also
had a go at the POST method, and it seems to work, but I need to make
a more general solution than what I've done so far.)
The scripts may be useful to anyone else wanting to do the same
thing. More importantly, I'd appreciate any feedback from the sockets
gurus about whether I'm going in the right direction.
Two questions foremost on my mind:
In order to show progress of the download (progress bar or whatever),
is it necessary to do reads in short steps (as in the script below)
or is there another way?
That's the way but when you get data it comes in chunks anyway.
Use repeat only if you have to.
How to handle http proxies? Is this just a question of opening the
socket to the proxy and carrying on as before, or is it, as I fear,
more torturous?
Yes, take a look at my ftp client (http://www.cloud9.net/~undo) which handles proxy,
it should be the same.
It also shows you how I handled the progress bar and others.
Any comments appreciated.
Cheers
Dave Cragg
---
local lcSocket, lcPath, lcData, lcHeader
on httpLoad pURL
## remove initial "http://" if present
if "http://" is char 1 to 7 of pURL then
delete char 1 to 7 of pURL
end if
put offset("/",pURL) into tOff
if tOff = 0 then
put pURL into lcSocket
put "" into lcPath
else
put char 1 to (tOff - 1) of pURL into lcSocket
put char tOff to -1 of pURL into lcPath
end if
put numToChar(13) numToChar(10) into CRLF
CRLF is built in you don't need to do the above.
open socket to lcSocket
put "GET" lcPath"HTTP/1.1" CRLF into tString
put "host:" lcSocket CRLF after tString
put CRLF after tString ## blank line is necessary
Put an empty space between header item and value = host: host.com
write tString to socket lcSocket
read from socket lcSocket until CRLF ##line 1
if word 2 of it = 200 then
read from socket lcSocket until CRLF CRLF ##get the header
put it into lcHeader
get lineOffset("Content-Length", lcHeader)
if it 0 then
put it into tLineNum
put word 2 line tLineNum of lcHeader into tLength
put 1024 into tStep
end if
put empty into lcData
put 0 into tCount
put tLength div tStep into tTimes
## read in small steps in order to show a progress bar or other indication
repeat for tTimes
add 1 to tCount
read from socket lcSocket for tStep
put it after lcData
## handle progress bar updating here
end repeat
read from socket lcSocket until empty ## catch last few dribbles
put it after lcData
close socket lcSocket
## do something with lcData here (cache it, return it, or whatever)
else
## crude error handling
put word 2 of it
close socket lcSocket
end if
end httpLoad
---
on socketError pSocket, pErr
##crude error handling
put pSocket ":" pErr
end socketError
--
on socketTimeout pSocket
##crude error handling
put "Timed out"
close socket pSocket
end socketTimeout
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Re: Groups, borders, and invisible objects...
Having problems at the moment with groups and geometry management. I have been using the rectangle of the group as a visual border, which is nice as you can see the group, position it etc and saves having to add a dummy button as a frame for the group... I then started to use the "rect" of the group as a natural reference point with which to resize and position the contents of the group. Fine. Two problems: 1) A groups rectangle is automatically calculated from the objects (visible I think) within the group. Now in the complex tabbed resizable layout that I am working on, I hide objects that overlap, and move stuff around using geometry management - and I want the group to stay still. But it keeps getting resized and moves around due to this automatic setting of the group rectangle. I have everything ending up pretty well where I want, but the whole group jumps or appears to have a large border. I think this is because an object has temporarily been moved outside of the group, and this combined with hiding/showing is causing the bug... I'm just wandering what a good strategy here is/ What is the relationship between invisible objects, and a groups rect, and in general what is the behaviour/effect of invisible objects. Ideally I'd like to turn off this automatic resizing of the group and have objects just disappear "off frame" when there location is set to outside of the group, then I wouldn't have to be so careful about tracking all the objects locations (invisible or not). This is how it works when you manually resize a groups borders. The same problem occurs when you change a players filename (the player gets resized if the controller is visible). 2) An automatic margin of several pixels is drawn around the objects that the group contains. This default margin seems to differ when a group contains other groups - not sure about this. Any advice on a good strategy here? I am thinking of abandoning my reliance of a groups rectangle as a marker of where a group is, and setting some custom property which all the script refer to and making sure the last step is to reset the groups rect to that position? But maybe there is a simple way of stopping the group resizing/ Perhaps this doesn't not happen if the screen is locked or all the objects are hidden/visible? Or I do things in a certain order? As always I'll report back with any progress on this... Did you try the locLoc property on groups? Regards, Andu ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: MC /E Books/Small Devices/Predictions?
We will soon be going into ebooks in a very major way. . .I am wondering how is Metacard situated as a possible tool of choice for this market. It seems ideal. The two most common formats are PDF and HTML. With the latter being the most flexible, Metacard would seem to be a knock out publishing platform. Especially, obviously, if we get image rendering in line with text. One could dump a book from Quark Express into HTML, use section breaks as page/card delimiters, load it into a stack, import the art here and there, make a dynamic clicktext glossary etc. all pretty simple scripting. But the key issue will be small device compatibility. What small devices does MC work on now, and what does it not work on now. .. . and does any one have any insights on where the trend for the small device market will take us in terms of the OS. i.e five years from now hand held be running on what? Most likely versions of linux. Hinduism Today Sivakatirswami Editor's Assistant/Production Manager www.HinduismToday.com www.HimalayanAcademy.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. . Regards, Andu ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: modem questions (modem independent suggestion/question)
On the Mac you could get an AppleScript to dial out for you (for which I guess you would need Tuviah RunTime's external collection), is there a dll or way to do the same thing on windows? Unix? I'm guessing but it seems that a lot of people would like to be able to create applications that use an internet connection when available, prompting the user to dial out and connect. Seems like a nice "package" to No need for that. You can just do "get hostName()" (or maybe anything that requires TCP/IP) and on Mac (most likely windows too) if you don't have a connection to internet the modem dials automatically. Linux knows better. put together, so if anyone has any scripts or suggestions that work for their platform, I'd be happy to put them together and mail the collection back to anyone who would find them useful. From: Miel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 5 Sep 2000 07:53:52 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: modem questions hi all, has anyone ever acomplished to make a modem dial a phone number using MetaCard? and if so: How did you do it? cheers, Miel - Get free email at http://mail.limpbizkit.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. . Regards, Andu ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Avoiding home... script limit problem.
Recently, Scott Raney wrote: This really gets back to the issue of "are stacks documents or applications?" debate that has come up several times in various places over the years. My UNIX and CS background causes me to consider them applications, whereas people with a less technical background tend to consider them documents. Are pages of text considered "applications" on UNIX? I would imagine these are incapable of launching or being edited without some type of engine. Isn't a MC stack the same type of animal? You can't launch or edit a stack without some type of engine, regardless of whether the engine is external or bound to the stack. Granted, I am "less technical" but since (as far as I know) you can't "technically" do anything with a stack unless you have the engine, a stack would be considered a document. The analogy is not right. When you doubleclick a stack you launch the engine. The functionality of a text file without an environment which would allow for editing is close to none; a stack without the development environment can be as useful as any application. I frequently run stacks that way and would be both bothering and a waist of energy to have the Home and Tools present when I don't need them. I'm not technical either but the difference between the engine and the IDE is obvious. Not sure where to draw the line on this one: Abide by user expectations, or force them to adapt to a more technically sophisticated architecture? I might suggest catering to clueless folks like myself, in the interest of remaining approachable. The people who have more technical understanding will "get it" on their own. Regards, Scott _ Scott Rossi Tactile Media - Multimedia Design Creative Director Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.tactilemedia.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. . Regards, Andu ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Avoiding home... script limit problem.
Are you going to sit at your WWW server console 24x7 so that every time a CGI program runs it won't start up the development environment?) That's a good idea - it will shrink the unemployment to -10;-) Regards, Scott Regards, Andu ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Image
One more problem I am having is with a logo that I am incorporating into a metaCard stack. The image is small and is JPEG format. I imported it on the Mac without problem and could copy and paste it within the stack. When I run the stack on the Windows platform the image does not show, presumably because the fork has changed. In the manual it intimates that importing does exactly that, the image becomes part of the stack, and goes on to suggest that larger images be placed in separate files. It seems to me that importing an image simply records the location and file name of the image. How iss this different from the suggestion for dealing with large images? Is there a way to make the image part of the stack? yes, uncheck the 2 buttons(don't import and set directory) on the import palette. Jim Wall *** James C.Wall, Ph.D. Professor Department of Physical Therapy University of South Alabama 1504 Springhill Avenue, Room 1214 Mobile AL 36604 Phone: (334) 434 3575 Fax: (334) 434 3822 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. . Regards, Andu ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: tabbedButton featureidea
Hi listmembers, ever thought about extended options of tabbedButtons??? think about an addessBook with alphabetic tabs how will You do this with tabbedButton now?? wouldn´t it be nice to have the tabs vertical like a real book?? in such a big number of tabs how could You easy find the selected one?? Vertical tabs is not a bad idea but how do you write the names? what about the option of positioning the tabs on top or bottom or left or right or any combination? what about I call it tabAnimation and tabTextAnimation? - the selected tab or even the tab under the mouse changes size/border/color - the text becomes fatter, bigger, other color??? what about horizontal text in vertical tabs, vertical text in horizontal tabs or even oblique text??? Regards, Ernst Ernst M. Reicher A-7571 Rudersdorf, Lahnbachweg 3 Tel: 03382 / 73020 Fax: 03382 / 73020-12 eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. . Regards, Andu ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: What the...
Hey! Before I submit this as an "official" bug, could anyone tell me if they've seen this... I have a text field that is pretty narrow, and when I type a really long word into it (one that is wider than the width of the field), the word does NOT extend to the next line... it merely keeps going on the same line because it is incapable of wrapping. MetaCard can't wrap a word? How cum I never noticed this before? This is a big problem with a program I'm designing right now, which requires a couple of text fields that are fairly narrow. And before anyone asks, no I did NOT set the field so that it couldn't wrap. The field is set to wrap text, which it does... unless you have a really long word. Can anyone help with this? Please? Metacard does that. If there is no space on the line it just keeps on going. You have to script the behavior you want with either a cr or space after the word. Also even when the field wraps the lines (in an open field) if you do "put the num of lines of fld x" it returns 1 unless you have a cr after each wrapped line. :) Richard MacLemale Instructional Technology Specialist James W. Mitchell High School Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. . Regards, Andu ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Download Stack
Signe, mail still bouncing off your server so I'll post this to the list; By the way, I have seen in an earlier posting of yours that you ask about the "download data" stack. Nor I have the faintest clue about where and what it is. Have you understood this since? Yes, this stack comes with the MC package. First a question for Scott: Scott, where does the Metacard Menu Bar stack reside? It seems to be a main stack of it's own, but one doesn't see it in the folder with the rest of the mc stacks and it is not a component of any other stack. . . That's the mctools.mc stack. Regards, Andu ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: deleting ascii garbage
I need to get rid of ascii 127 to ascii 255 and
also most of the ones below ascii 32 from a text
fld (or after placing in a variable). In other
words, get rid of just about all garbage that
might pop up except a-z, A-Z, 0-9, punctuation,
spaces, tabs and carriage returns etc.
This will be done on a Mac only MC application.
Anyone know of an external, RegEx expression
or some other cool, *fast* way of getting this done?
Probably replace would be fast enough:
replace chartonum("127") with empty in variable
tia
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Re: FTP from within MC
I have a stack that generates the HTML code for a www site. I have then to transfer all those files from my hard disk to the hard disk of an Internet Service Provider. Could this be done from within MetaCard? Or should I try to get MetaCard to tell LeapFTP, CuteFTP, or some other program to do it behind the scene automatically? I read on HyperCard's mailing list that it can be done with HyperFTP on the Mac. But my project will be running under Windows on a PC. Try my ftp client (still in work) at "www.cloud9.net/~undo" which is cross platform. Thank you for your help Serge Grenier Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. . Regards, Andu ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: MC, the Web, and you
Thanks for the feedback, Andu:
A quick survey of MetaCard developers, if you don't mind:
But what do you need this for if I may ask?
I'm seeing a big shift away from desktop applications and onto the Web, and
wanted to get a feel for what others are doing with MC.
It seems that the three main ways MC can contribute to Web work are:
- CGI solutions
- Net-aware applications ("custom browsers")
- Web production tools
Historically, most of our work with MC has been designing desktop
applications, but in recent months the bulk of the work coming in has us
using JavaScript or Flash (or in the case of Flash 5, both together).
Since most ISPs only allow Perl-based CGIs, we're finding ourselves spending
less time with MetaCard than I would prefer. I'm working with my favorite
client on adding some net-savvy to his app, but I'd like to be working in MC
even more. JavaScript and Perl simply aren't as much fun. :)
That's because there is a price for fun;-)
So the biggest reason for finding out what others are doing with MC is
twofold:
- What are the opportunities for a RAD tool like MC in
a Browser-centric world?
I think many. Too few people are involved with this right now so there isn't a lot of
experience in this domain.
- What untapped opportunities may still exist in the
world of desktop applications?
The breadth of what MetaCard delivers also makes it relatively difficult to
define. We can build almost anything for a client, but more and more they
seem to prefer that it take place inside of a browser window.
No wonder. Every one uses a browser probably more than any other application. There's
the convenience of not having to switch to another application which can go as far as
accepting lots of limitations. Think of web mail for example.
Given the relative newness of this Web fenzy, I suspect that the browser
will ultimately prove to be a transitional phase, a stepping stone on the
way to other things which allow more flexible user interfaces for both
content presentation (which is currently good on the Web) and data
manipulation (at which the Web sucks -- can you imagine using a
browser-based spreadsheet?).
Yes but the necessity of not having to switch from one ui to another will always be
there.
Don't forget the computer is still highly unintuitive and even the simplest
interaction with it requires a lot of knowledge.
There are probably several dozen categories of things MetaCard can do that
would really drive its value home to a variety of organizations. SETI and
Napster are two popular examples of distributed apps which conceivably could
have been written in MetaCard, and I suspect there are a few thousand more
waiting to be discovered.
A question in response to your post: Since you mentioned being able to
spend 95% of your time with MC and that most of your work is for the Web,
does that imply that you're building server-side MC CGIs? Or "custom
browsers" a la AOL?
More of the first but consider also the clients I made and still working on.
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Richard Gaskin
Fourth World Media Corporation
Multimedia Design and Development for Mac, Windows, UNIX, and the Web
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upgrade email client posted
http://www.cloud9.net/~undo Solved some problems with keeping track of new/deleted mail. To delete mail in the browser select a line(shift for more lines) and then control+click. Regards, Andu ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Replacing an AppleScript in Windows
I have been looking at a HyperCard system for possible conversion to MetaCard so that it will run on both Mac and Windows. The current implementation uses AppleScript to control Graphic Converter, in order to open a huge jpg file, resave it as a compressed jpg, and display it, rotate it, and zoom the view in and out. Is it possible to duplicate this functionality within MetaCard? I know MC will display the graphic, but what about resaving as a compressed file, rotation and zoom? Or alternately, is there any equivalent of inter-application communication on Windows so that a stack could control a graphics application to perform these tasks? Check out "launch" in the docs. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay| [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Custom hypermedia solutions | http://www.hyperactivesw.com 612.724.1596 | 612.724.1562 - fax Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. . Regards, Andu ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: metacard, internet and security
As most people on this list i downloaded and tested the portal of Sivakatirswami. That's a great job ! Until now, the "computer based training" solutions where based on java (cf toolbook) or shockwave or flash. It was difficult to program and/or heavy to download. Sivakatirswami's solution is light, powerful and elegant. But we have now to consider the security... A *.mc app can do anything : destroy all the data of a computer, use a computer to destroy all the data on a network, ... I think it is up to the developer to make sure he limits access to the server by clients as for the other end you better trust the developer for not making you download malicious stacks or dont do it at all. We have to protect our customers against : - downloading a utility and misusing it in what way? - downloading a bugged and dangerous mc file Then you don't trust the developer at all; how about a buggd and dangerrous .mc file which is signed? - downloading some mc-based virus Like what? I can think of 2 kind of solutions : 1) solution based on signature The programmer put his signature in his runtime and in his stacks. When opening a stack, the runtime checks if the stack has the right signature. The process could be a "compress+encrypt" function built in the engine and a "decompress+decrypt" function build in the runtime. 2) solution based on limiting the runtime The Navigator, MSIE or javascript have some internal limitations to forbid writing on the user's disk. Would it be possible to have in metatalk some internal flag forbiding a runtime to write on the user's disk but in the folder where the runtime is ? Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. . Regards, Andu ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: MC, the Web, and you
A quick survey of MetaCard developers, if you don't mind: Of work you've performed over the last year, what percentage has been related to the Web? Most of it Does your work focus more on the client side of the Web, the server side, or both? Both Of the time spent with your tools on a project, what percentage do you spend with MetaCard? 95% And what percentage with client-side tools/languages like JavaScript, Perl, and of course HTML and others? 6% Thanks in advance - But what do you need this for if I may ask? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation Multimedia Design and Development for Mac, Windows, UNIX, and the Web _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com Tel: 323-225-3717 ICQ#60248349Fax: 323-225-0716 Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. . Regards, Andu ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Stacks available: comments
I chose to adapt the email client I've been working on to create cards rather than store text files. I can't see the point. I can see the dissadvantages - can't search, slightly slower access, messy file structure, but no real advantages. Originally I was storing the mail as custom props in a second stack but it kept growing and growing and by the time it was 4M it became to slow at sorting things. Besides if the stack is gone all the mail is gone. Creating a mechanism for periodic archiving is probably easier with a bunch of files. That's not to say that this method is perfect. The strategy i was thinking of taking was to archive stuff over xmonths old and junk as either text files of stacks (not sure yet) and keep a reasonable size of stack in memory (spitting off chunks when it needs to slim down) - what do you think? Had a quick look at the scripts and prefer the syntax: " open socket targetserver with message sockopen" as it's neater, and you can do other stuff in case of a network delay. What do you think about altering the scripts to handle the conversation with this technique? Yes, I'll look into it. The thing is that you don't really want to do other stuff unless you have an open connection (that was my thinking). Regards, Andu ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Standalone
Hello, would someone, please, provide me with instructions on how to access the scripts of a standalone, I know how to do it in SuperCard with ResEdit (on Mac), but when I try to change Type (=APPL) to MSTK and Creator (=MSTD) to MCRD, I am still not able to open it. Open it in a text editor like BBEdit. Regards, Andu ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: stacks available
I posted the Email stack togather with a revised version of the ftp client and a rewrite of the web server. The web server does not have support for cgi yet but it sends full headers to clients which should improve performance and cross platform compatibility. Also I added support for /pub directory so clients can do file download via http. I'd appreciate your feedback. All this wonderful things at http://www.cloud9.net/~undo ;-) Regards, Andu ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. . Regards, Andu ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: mail with MC
I will upload the mail program today to my web space on cloud9.net since so many of you want it. Andu Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: mcHTTPd
I'm playing with the MetaCard Server stack and I have good news and two mysteries: It runs perfectly on an old Mac which is my temporary server http://endevour.u-aizu.ac.jp:8080/. Pardon the weird spelling of endeavour. When I access this from a Mac or a Sparcstation all is cool. Mystery 1: When I access it from a Win98 machine I get a white screen. Mystery 2: When I run the MC server on the Win98 machine, it serves the text files but not the graphics to both Mac and Unix. http://vivid.u-aizu.ac.jp:8080/. Any hints? I'm not Windows fluent. For windows you might have to replace "binfile:" with "file:" or vice versa in critical places;-) unless I did something stupid there. I'm working now on a new version and hopefully I'll test it on windows (which I don't have installed at the moment) too. -- Steven Tripp University of Aizu Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. . Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
mail with MC
Is there any interest in a more or less complete E-mail program I wrote ? I used it for the past several months (mostly without complains) and I think it would be most useful as a tutorial. I'm still not sure about the general concept of handling mail so it's work in progress. It should run on all platforms (how many software do that;-); I only checked it on Linux and Mac. It sends attachments too. Andu Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: HowToPost?
I would like to post several fields of data from metacard to a web server other than mhttpd (I'm using Xitami on Win98 for testing, but I assume Apache would be the same.) The docs say -- post *expression* to url *url* I need help filling in the exact syntax for *expression* for multiple fields of data. A working example would be wonderful. Thank you, Michael Kann, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Victoria, TX. Expression can be anything your server will accept, usually the name of a cgi script plus data the cgi script is supposed to do something with. I suggest you start with some sample cgi script that came with the server which *doesn't* need any other data from the client (it just executes something and post the result). Next replace expression with the name of that cgi; the result should be in the variable it. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. . Regards, Andu __ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Metacard kills new users
Dear list Over this last weekend I downloaded both Metacard and RealBasic. As a competent Hypercard programmer, I would obviously prefer the XTalk of Metacard. However, the presentation of Metacard is amateurish and offputting. If it weren't for my Hypercard experience I would quickly write off Metacard as junk and purchase RealBasic. Good thing you knew better than that and persisted... You are not alone though; many new users are put off by the GUI of the development environment which is not the strong point with Metacard but the richness of language and speed of execution are. If you can pass the initial impression and actually build something you'll get the rewards. Also don't hesitate to ask the list. Although I disliked the GUI of MC when I started to use it now I feel It doesn't really matter when one takes the whole into account. Besides, when you get more familiar with the language you can make it any way you want. The first thing I wanted to do was to use the tutorials. RealBasic tutorial was straightforward, attractive and successful. Metacard tutorial was none of those things. Initially I couldn't even find it! The tutorial is accessible via the mchelp.mc stack but doesn't appear anywhere else. Wouldn't it be sensible to make it obvious that there is a tutorial hidden somewhere within the downloaded stuff? Card 2 of the application tutorial has instructions for opening the Metacard menu bar BUT ONLY FOR UNIX AND WINDOWS! As far as I recall, I downloaded the Mac version. I found by random clicking that clicking on the words "Metacard menu bar" would open it. That hypertext or hot link is indicated only by bold text. Surely if you want me to click on a link you should make it look like a link. How about underlined colored text? That would do it for me. Now I have got the "Metacard menu bar *" visible (don't know what the asterisk is for). Why not try a bit more random clicking? It worked for me last time. Well, when I clicked the arrow button I got into a mode where I could move the buttons around, but I couldn't get back to the browse (? hand) tool. It then seemed sensible to close the Metacard menu bar and start again. I clicked the close box and declined the offer to save my changes. However, when I reopened the Metacard menu bar I was again in edit mode! The titlebar of the Metacard menu bar is now hidden behind my menubar! I am stuck and can go no further in the tutorial. If I persist, how many more of these hurdles should I expect to fall on? This definitely a big turnoff. So are the ugly (Unix-like?) buttons and dialog boxes. After lurking this list for a long time I thought that I was tready to start playing around with Metacard, but I find that your program interface and tutorial are not ready for me. The Mac is a pleasant platform to work on because application developers are made to take responsibility for the drudgery of getting it right and consistent. I take care of the interface of the programs that I develop: you should take care of Metacard. Michael J. Lew Lecturer Department of Pharmacology The University of Melbourne Parkville 3010 Victoria Australia Phone +63 8344 8304 Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. . Regards, Andu __ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Focus in Mac
I'm converting a program from the PC to run on Mac. Everything is going smoothly (great job Scott and gang!) except for one thing. To make all the buttons look the same between the two versions (PC and Mac), I set the Lookandfeel of the Mac version to "Windows." This works great except now, when the buttons are clicked, there appears a thick black border around them. It appears to be the Mac way of emulating something getting the focus as in Windows. (By the way, that was a bad idea MicroSoft). My buttons have a colored background which are used to highlight when the button is clicked. Now, the colored border is there with a black line around the outside. I cannot turn off the TraversalOn feature because that changes the button behavior from what I want. Any ideas how to get rid of the black focus border? Philip Chumbley That black line stands for the default button property so you can turn it off or set the border color to the one of the card. The focus is the dotted line inside the button. You can set the color of that one too. Still, windows lookandfeel on mac is a bad idea since it affects not only the buttons. P.S. This one "feature" about and object getting the foucs and thus having a black or dotted border around it has caused me more headaches in both versions than anything else. Thanks a lot, Microsoft! Regards, Andu __ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Re: Metacard based browser?
I was thinking of using CSSP for layouts for users with later browsers, and designing style sheets that then work and look good for both the MetaCard environment and the average web user. Template based web authoring, with added ease of dynamic CGI scripting is what I think is worth aiming for in my life time -:) Any comments? In other words you want to be able to export a stack layout to style sheets. Since I had this idea myself I think it's a good one ;-). I just never had the patience to learn yet another thing (style sheets stuff) but if you are willing to do it go for it; its probably the closest we can come to using MC for web authoring and as you mention, dynamic generating of web pages. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. Regards, Andu __ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Re: Metacard based browser -
A French car? Scott Rossi wrote: My guess is, if you're looking to be able to parse the HTML from any existing Web page, you're in for a thousand and one headaches. One word: tables. Okay, two words: nested tables. The thought makes me shiver -:) OK, here is the first problem: trying to get url "http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/" or then url "http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.best.com/" Returns the following: !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN" HTMLHEAD TITLE302 Found/TITLE /HEADBODY H1Found/H1 The document has moved A HREF="http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard@lists.best.com/"here/A.P /BODY/HTML I am guessing that the built in Metacard "get url" method is not handling the 302 code??? and that i have to use sockets? But then maybe it's a lot simpler, and I'm doing something stupid. Please, can anyone save me from the RFC??? There is no escape from RFCs :-0 Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. Regards, Andu __ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: newbutton it?
andu ecrivait / wrote: Try: create button "a1" put it --will return the long id of the new button "it" works! Thanx :-) Nonetheless, I found somewhat confusing (and not very logical) not to be able to have "it" with the "newbutton" message... I wonder why; it is just another local variable. If you want to get the button's id from newbutton message use: on newbutton put the long id of the target end newbutton. domi (-8 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. Regards, Andu __ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: newbutton it?
I read in MC help that when creating a new button, the it variable was given the id of the new button... I am not able to retrieve this id! on newbutton answer it -- empty! end newbutton on newbutton which answer which -- empty! end newbutton Try: create button "a1" put it --will return the long id of the new button The workaround I found is to retrieve the new button by "last button"... domi (-8 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. Regards, Andu __ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: How to stop scrolling with pull
I want to be able to click on a line in a scrolling field and then have a menu appear in order to manipulate the line clicked on with a script. So far I can do pretty much what I want with a mouseDown handler and th epulldown command. I want to use a single object (no transparent buttons), and will want to do this eventually in a mouseStilldown handler. If you are talking about a contextual menu (right-click or control-click) it is best done with a separate stack (substack) with buttons on it and the command "popup stackName". The problem is: when the menu appears, and the user scrools to select a menu item the field also continues to scroll. The question is therefore: how do i stop the field from scrolling when the menu is being selected? Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. Regards, Andu __ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: post vs put vs ?sockets? for
o, the number 1 Qustion really is what will be the "socket" equivalent of the following post command? post "-Database=Students.fp3-layout=LayoutNameHere-Response=ResponseFileNameHer e Social_Security=333444333-search" to url "http://##. ##. ##. #/Action.lasso" Q2 through 5) Why are socket-level solutions, when finally written, likely to be more reliable? Are they truly more flexible? Why is the required "programmer's" knowledge load being moved from "built-in" to "build-your-own" with these improvements? Will this level offer, for example, one to trap a failed return so a call can be reissued? This is a complex mix of MC rules and http rules that I'm trying to get a handle on and somehow haven't yet fully grasped. And I am willing to try to learn it if it really will solve my problem. Where can I start? I suspect we have a few really savvy internet MC developers out there who can help, if not by explanations at least by offering working examples, and any help would be greatly appreciated, either on or off list. Thanks, Roger Regards, Andu __ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Re a little mention...
He clearly believes that MetaCard is a powerful tool somewhat let down by its current user interface in two respects - a) the interface presented to the developer, and b) its lack of complete adherence to Mac U-I guidelines. The interface presented to the developer... give me a break. Best applications are most likely built in environments with no interface. no interface? wtf? there is *no* software without an interface. if there was, you couldn't do anything with it. DOS has an interface, too. even your car stereo has an interface. everything you use has one. but MetaCard's Interface is truly the one thing that keeps it from getting accepted more widely, especially on the mac side of things. and there are lots of mac users who are still searching for a replacement for hypercard. If those mac users want to use most of what they already know and accept getting used to a different development environment they should look no farther. lucas Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. Regards, Andu __ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Testing for existence of a file
OK now that we are learning to write preferences files. . . how to test for their existence? exists url "file://mcPrefs/proxyPrefs.txt" Try put the directory "/mcPrefs/proxyPrefs.txt" into tPrefsPath put there is a file tPrefsPath returns an error message even though the file is there. Of course one can try to simply get the data (prefs saved in an engine level folder) on mouseUp put the directory "/mcPrefs/proxyPrefs.txt" into tPrefsPath put url tPrefsPath into msg end mouseUp This works and if it is not returned then you know it doesn't exist at least at that location. But it will be helpful in the long wrong to have the existence function work for a file ref as certain functions will be easier scripted against the boolean than to keep testing a result which takes twice the code lines. if not (exists some file) then download whatever from the web vs: put some file into tVariable if tVariable is empty then download whatever from the web end if === on mouseUp put the directory "/mcPrefs/proxyPrefs.txt" into tPrefsPath if exists url tPrefsPath then put "yes" end mouseUp The above doesn't work but the file is there and can be read from that path. Hinduism Today Sivakatirswami Editor's Assistant/Production Manager www.HinduismToday.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. Regards, Andu __ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: POST
Thanks Andu, just what I needed! Now I know I could do all this with sockets, but as there is built in "post" and "get" methods in metaTalk how do I set the httpheaders to look like below? Andu (pretty please), if you have a spare moment could you post examples of a form submission from Netscape/Explorer using the "get" method, This is what the server receives from the same form but using GET.: GET /?Field-user=anduSubmit=SubmitField-pass=also-andu/ HTTP/1.0 Connection: Keep-Alive User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Host: xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx Accept: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, image/png, */* Accept-Encoding: gzip Accept-Language: en Accept-Charset: iso-8859-1,*,utf-8 and also what Metacard's built in "post" and "get = get url someurl?someparams". That would give a complete picture... get url "http://www.metacard.com" ; put it post "I should read the docs first" to url "the_url.com" Thanks From: andu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:42:47 -0400 (EDT) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: POST Andu, do you know what is sent in the http header from a browser such as Netscape/Explorer. If you could send me an example input I could see if I can get the CGI I am playing with to work? This is a web page with 2 fields for username and password and a Submit button: __ POST / HTTP/1.0 Connection: Keep-Alive User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Host: xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx Accept: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, image/png, */* Accept-Encoding: gzip Accept-Language: en Accept-Charset: iso-8859-1,*,utf-8 Content-type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded Content-length: 50 Field-user=anduSubmit=SubmitField-pass=also-andu __ Notice the 2 empty lines between the header and the data (crlf crlf) must be there. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Digest metacard.v003.n439
I am trying to send an attachment file with the mcmail.mc file. So far, this is what I have done: I put a field "theAttachment" into the card. The script is from the button "Send", with my addition clearly marked. It does something, but it doesn't place it as an attachment, but as a part of the body text. # construct email header put "" into mailraw put "From: " fld "mailfrom" crlf after mailraw put "Date: " mimedate() crlf after mailraw put "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii" crlf after mailraw put "MIME-Version: 1.0" crlf after mailraw put "Message-Id: " the seconds "-" the ticks "@MetaCardSMTP" crlf after mailraw put "To: " fld "to" crlf after mailraw if fld "cc" "" then put "CC: " fld "cc" crlf after mailraw end if put "Subject: " fld "subject" crlf after mailraw put crlf fld "body" after mailraw -- ** MY ADDITION if fld "theAttachment" is not empty then put fld "theAttachment" into theAttachmentName Try put url "binfile:" theAttachmentName into theattachment put crlf "Content-Type: application/base64; name=" quote \ theAttachmentName quote after mailraw put crlf crlf base64Encode(theattachment) after mailraw put "binfile:" theAttachmentName into theattachment put crlf "Content-Type: application/base64; name=" quote theattachment quote after mailraw put crlf crlf base64Encode(url theAttachment) after mailraw end if -- # socket implementation, talking to smtp smtpsend fld "smtpserver",fld "mailfrom",validEmailList,mailraw end composemail -- I sent the file (a MetaCard file) to myself. I copied and pasted the encoded data in my email into a MC field. A button has the following script: on mouseUp ask file "What file to save to?" put it into thefileName put base64Decode(field "thebinfile") into URL thefileName end mouseUp But now, when I attempt to open the file (type into the message box "Answer file "?"; open it), I get the message "stack was corrupted by a non-binary file transfer" - So, any suggestions? I really *need* to be able to send file attachments with this MCmail protocol. I am building an app that will generate a MC stack, then email it to the appropriate person. Thanks for your help, Raymond Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Success
Success indeed! I'm so glad the number of people using the sockets part of MC is growing. Right now my brain is still on ice but I'd like in the near future to colaborate on a project of this sort. Richard, the next step is to make your own server and do the CGI work without appleEvents. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
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Re: More on SSL
Hi, I don't know if this is of interest to anybody, but I found an XFCN that allows contact with HTTPS servers. It uses OpenSSL to ecncrypt/decrypt, and even supports receiving/sending cookies (by way of headers). Would this be of any interest to MetaCard either? I know I've been wondering about SSL. The XFCN only supports GET and not POST so has limited potential at this time, but since the guy who wrote it is very familiar with OpenSSL, it might not be hard to add in the encoding/decoding aspects of SSL into MetaCard's own HTTP support at this time to allow suport for HTTPS servers. I know this would be great use to me since customers don't want to send confidential information with SSL at this time. Any interest? His XFCN is freeware. I'm interested, thanks for the tip, where can I get it from? Thanks, ReeD. Regards, Andu __ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: telnet stack
hi all, my telnet stack (.mc format) can be downloaded at: www.casema.net/~zweda/telnet.mc it's not stainless or anything but it's a start. enjoy! And how do I use it to say login into my router box? What do I do to get the promt for login? -=[MieL]=- - Get free email at http://mail.limpbizkit.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. Regards, Andu Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: mail client
Hello all I'm trying to write an email client. Here's the prelim plan...I'm familiar with the smtp commands...Helo, RCPT to: etc. I need to write a button script which will take an ip passed to it, assume port 25 and just like in Expectpass the smtp commands to the mail server in an expect/send type back and forth. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to start? I think there's a mail client on ftp.metacard.com somewhere but... the general idea is that after you write a command to the server you have to read from the socket the response and if it's not an error write the next command and so on. Don't forget to add a CRLF at the end of each write to the server. I could also post my E-mail client but I don't want to take the fun away of rolling your own ;-) Jim Kelly Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. Regards, Andu Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: telnet decoding
hello all, if I connect to a telnet platform (let's say "www.telnet.org" with port "telnet" it connects as usual. I set the script so it reads from a socket called tFtpSock whenever the stack is idle and puts it into a field named: "main". after I connect, I get something like this: ÿýÿý ÿý#ÿý' can I decode this into plain text? and if I can HOW? Try binaryDecode() function. regards, Miel Regards, Andu Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: File selector-MacOS
On 14/6/00 4:03 am, andu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the problem with this (new) Navigation Services file selector on MacOS is that you can't select a folder like with the old one unless I'm missing something. Besides it has no live scrolling and really looks and acts like a visualBasic thing. I'd suggest defaulting to the old file/folder selector. Afraid I disagree: navigation services is a much more flexible dialog, allowing, for example, drag dropping in a Finder folder to navigate. Folder answering is fixed in the latest engine. And any future system extensions or enhancements to file navigation are going to be made by NS. I know I should argue this with Apple but aside for not being able to resize it, I never found something wrong with the old one. Turning it into a complex application, seems to me, is just the old marketing trick of *creating* the need for more and more "features" and always at a price. Going backwards here is a bit like saying "I don't like OS 9, lets make MC only work on OS 8". (Though you can always set the dontUseNS to true if you want to turn it off.) Regards, Kevin Regards, Andu Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. Kevin Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.xworlds.com/ Cross Worlds Computing, MetaCard Distributors, Custom Development. Tel: +44 (0)131 672 2909. Fax: +44 (0)1639 830 707. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. Regards, Andu Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
File selector-MacOS
the problem with this (new) Navigation Services file selector on MacOS is that you can't select a folder like with the old one unless I'm missing something. Besides it has no live scrolling and really looks and acts like a visualBasic thing. I'd suggest defaulting to the old file/folder selector. Regards, Andu Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Subject: Images in memory
Not exactly. Getting the filename isn't a problem; I'm trying to avoid the hit that happens when you load an image from disk. I spent the evening putting the images into the stack and changing everything to use buttons with icons. It seems snappier. But if there is a way to "preload" images and have them stay in RAM, I'd like to know for future reference. "You know, there's an easier way to do that..." Create an empty image (x). put url "binfile:path to file" into temp (on openStack or something) put temp into image x -- Jacqueline Landman Gay Regards, Andu Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Easier Contextual Menus
There are two ways to make menus in MC: As a stack, or as a text list. Both can be used at the discretion of the developer for most cases, except woith contextual menus, where the developer must use a stack. It is this very case which is also the most challenging, since contextual menus, by their very nature, are always changing. It would be ultra cool of there was a way to call a function for contextual menus to let us use a text list instead, something like this: on mouseDown put "Item1,Item2,Item3" into tMenu get PopMenu(tMenu,the mouseLoc) DoSeomthingWith it end mouseDown Anyone else think this sort of enhancement would be useful? Sounds like a good idea to me. -- Richard Gaskin Regards, Andu Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Easier Contextual Menus
On 8/6/00 6:14 pm, Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are two ways to make menus in MC: As a stack, or as a text list. Both can be used at the discretion of the developer for most cases, except woith contextual menus, where the developer must use a stack. It is this very case which is also the most challenging, since contextual menus, by their very nature, are always changing. It would be ultra cool of there was a way to call a function for contextual menus to let us use a text list instead, something like this: on mouseDown put "Item1,Item2,Item3" into tMenu get PopMenu(tMenu,the mouseLoc) DoSeomthingWith it end mouseDown Anyone else think this sort of enhancement would be useful? Yes. Of course, you can write a script that creates a panel menu stack on the fly, but it this would make a cool built-in feature. They'd have to figure out where the menuPick handler would get sent though - to the object that contained the command to create the menu, or to the current card? I think to the object that generated it. Regards, Kevin -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Multimedia Design and Development for Mac, Windows, UNIX, and the Web _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com Tel: 323-225-3717 ICQ#60248349Fax: 323-225-0716 Kevin Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.xworlds.com/ Cross Worlds Computing, MetaCard Distributors, Custom Development. Tel: +44 (0)131 672 2909. Fax: +44 (0)1639 830 707. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. Regards, Andu Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Setting the DefaultStack/Passing commands
The whole directory thing, "where am I pointing to now" is challenging. Oh for the day we can "set relative reference to true". . .where the first level is open stacks, second level is stacks in the same directory etc. then You forgot the substacks... on to the standard ../../ nomenclature. or may you just have to come to grips with MC's way of doing it and once you do it is better? help: scenario: We have a stack (1) called "HAKey" which is open, from disk. It is just a copy of the DownloadNGo stack with the downlaodNGo handler in the stack script and it does one thing only: downloads another stack (2) called HAStudies. Under development stack (2) is being opened from disk, under deployment, stack 2 will be downloaded and opened in RAM and not be anywhere on the user's hard drive, nor will it be saved to disk. OK now, both stacks are open on screen, stack 2 is topLevel What I want to do is simply, in a button of stack 2 put on mouseUp set the defaultStack to "HAKey" downLoadNGo "http://www.himalayanacademy.com/studyhall/mystic_mouse/mysticms.mc" end mouseUp but I get an error, saying can't find the handler, and if I check the default stack it is still set to the topStack "HAStudies" and not to stack "HAKey". Now, both these stacks are on the same level on disk, and they are both open. how do I send the message and the href from one stack to the other? I could put the whole downLoadNGo handler in stack 2 but am thinking to reduce code redundancy. . .which may be more trouble than it is worth in the long run. Still, sending commands with parameters from one open stack to open stack that is not in the same file as the first one and thus not in the message path and for which you may not know the directory location (s) must be doable. . .and perhaps there are better ways to pass the message? Send? StartUsing? Start using. Hinduism Today Sivakatirswami Editor's Assistant/Production Manager www.HinduismToday.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. Regards, Andu Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: How to detect error in Set Directory
This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --_=_NextPart_001_01BFD020.0EA6FC7E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" How do I detect an error in a "Set Directory" statement? It appears that 'set the directory to "My Dir"; answer the result' will return an empty string on success, an error message on failure. This behavior makes sense. But 'set the directory to myFunction(); answer the result' appears to return the result of myFunction on success, and an error message on failure. I found this unacceptable because myFunction may return something that looks like an error. I'm assuming that 'the result' was getting confused by the function call. So I tried 'get myFunction(); set the directory to it; answer the result'. This form returns the value of 'it' on success, an error message on failure. So I have the same problem as with the function call. How can I reliably determine if "Set Directory" worked or failed? Use a handler instead of a function. Regards, Andu Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: MetaCard 2.3.1 beta 2
MetaCard 2.3.1 beta 2 is now available in the directory ftp://ftp.metacard.com/MetaCard/2.3.1/ This is the last scheduled beta for 2.3.1. As stated in the 2.3.1 beta 1 announcment, a relatively large number of changes have been made for 2.3.1 to improve operation of Cross Worlds' new development environment. If any of them affect your application, speak now or forever hold your piece! It would be nice to know what changes have been made in order to know what to look for. Regards, Scott Scott Raney [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.metacard.com MetaCard: You know, there's an easier way to do that... Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. Regards, Andu Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: downloading a stack...
Question... I'm wondering which would be faster when downloading a stack from an Internet server... 1. Using something like the ftp stack (ie, using ftp) or 2. Using "downloadNGo" (and the corresponding "My Download Stack" substack) already included in MetaCard. I have not delved into downloadNGo very deeply, so for all I know it already uses ftp to do the same thing. If so, forgive this feeble question. "downloadNGo" which comes with MC uses the http protocol with GET, AFAIK. Both http and ftp should do the job just as well, the advantage (or desadvantage;-) of ftp is that you must use authentication. :) Richard MacLemale www.coolclassroom.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. Regards, Andu Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: setting up a chat
Thanks Andu, for pushing me the right direction. I'll probably be back with more questions later, when I get started with it. :o) I might actually join forces on this one if I manage to figure out the right outline for the base product and most important, recharge my batteries (getting old, you know...). Eva Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. Regards, Andu Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Metacard replacing Toolbook and Director
Hi! It is no enough to just ask how to make as much money with MetaCard as possible. As MetaCard is a very small company, the personality of a single person is prevailing and AFAIK Scott Raney is a technology geek; he is into making a great product, not great marketing, which I think is a marvelous advantage to us all! It would be beneficient if MetaCard was well known and generally accepted as a tool with a large user base, but I personally prefer a tool that is technically on the right path over a tool that sports a fancy feature list and none of them work good enough to use without workarounds. Scott is very much aware of the money he could make by reducing prices and boosting marketing, but he also definetely knows the risks involved. This is a point of view I share. Regards Rüdiger -- GINIT Technology GmbH[EMAIL PROTECTED] Ruediger zu Dohna phone:+49-721-96681-0 Technologieparkfax:+49-721-96681-11 Emmy-Noether-Str. 9 D-76131 Karlsruhe www.ginit-technology.de Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. Regards, Andu Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: setting up a chat
Hi all, Would it be possible to create a chat with MC? One which would be placed on our site and which the users don't have to have any x-tra programs. I would be nice to have the freedom of making it the way I want. Where would I start, if at all possible? I'm sure it is. Do a search for RFC 1459 to see how IRC is supposed to work and get yourself acquainted to the use of sockets in MC - the http server and ftp client on MC's ftp site should give you some idea of how to use the commands. Regards, Eva Regards, Andu Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Groups and the controls they contain
Hi everyone, I'm working on a utility that will hopefully be useful to all of us. It's a stack "dissector" that will not only extract the scripts of the cards, groups, and controls of the mainStack and all substacks, but will also extract the contents of custom properties and give an outline view of all of the above. This is one of the projects I'd like to share with the group as kind of an "open source" thing. Anyway, my question is this: can I get the controls of a group without including the controls of the subgroups in that group? I'm afraid not in a straight forward way. If you group 2 buttons, create a third button and group it with the first group, then do "put the num of controls of group 1(= second group)" you get "4" = the 3 buttons and the first group. I don't know how you can handle that, maybe subtracting the controls of the first group from the second one but it's extremely unelegant as you notice. That sounds rather convoluted, and the scripting is proving to be just that! My script currently digs into the nested groups as far as it can, then compares the list of controls of that group to the list from the previous level and deletes the duplicates, then repeats that process back down to the root of the tree. It's very cumbersome and I'm wondering (hoping!) there's a better way. Any suggestions? Thanks, Craig /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Craig Spooner Instructional Multimedia Specialist and WebCT Administrator Office of Instructional Services Colorado State University (970) 491-2516 Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. Regards, Andu Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: open always at cd 1
OK, MC behaves differently than SC.. .if you save a stack when you are on cd 5, it will open on cd five. . .I presume this is because it is not destroyed and being still in memory, knows "where you left off" right? can someone elucidate MC's protocals in this area. . . do we always need to put into the stack on preopenstack go to cd 1 end preopenstack if we want the user to always start at the beginning? Save the stack on cd 1. Hinduism Today Sivakatirswami Editor's Assistant/Production Manager www.HinduismToday.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. Regards, Andu Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
re: DownLoadNgo
thanks Andu: Several things: first do everything with one stack make sure it works the way you want. When you *send* a message it needs to be quoted: send "downloadNgo" etc. It is good practice to keep most scripts at the mainStack level I was able to finally get message to go to the substack. . .but got another error message. . something about not being able to put something into an object. . .well. I just put the exact same script into the main stack and made a card in the main stack with the URL field, cancel button m scroll bar and status field and it worked fine.. . .have not idea why the same thing wouldn't work by sending to the other stack. . Maybe you're not sending the same thing ;-) Use the script debugger maybe you can catch it. Also try labeling everything with the long[er] name (fld 1 of stack X) if needed; I used to loose my mind on "can't find object" Maybe you're not sending the same thing ;-) Use the script debugger maybe you can catch it. Also try labeling everything with the long name (fld 1 of stack X) if needed; I used to loose my mind on "can't find object" Hinduism Today Sivakatirswami Editor's Assistant/Production Manager www.HinduismToday.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. Regards, Andu Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: opening PDF file on Mac
On 11 May 2000, at 10:43, LiangTyan Fui wrote: A question for all of you MC-Mac gurus. What code would I use to launch Adobe Acrobat (or Reader) and open a specific PDF file (e.g., mypdfdoc.pdf) on the Mac? For the moment let's assume that Acrobat (or Reader) is installed on the user's system. My personal favourite: launch "thedoc.pdf" with "theapp" (look into the help stack for more info) Okay, I'll completely expose my ignorance about the Mac now... How do I identify "theApp" used in this example? In Windows I give it a filename. I could look in registry to find out if and where the app is located. Or I could give the file name unqualified (no path), then Windows will search the dir's in its PATH environment variable to try and find it. You must use full path for the above to work. Otherwise AppleEvents but I don't know much about that. I have no idea about how the Mac handles such things. I know Launch works with a filename, but how do I know where the app is located? Or can I use a descriptive name like "Finder", if so what would it be? Or an unqualified filename? Also, I understand that Acrobat comes installed on MacOS 8 and later...? Can anyone verify this? I'm sure that there are people on this list that have done this before on the Mac (at least I would be Very Surprised if I'm the first). Thanks for any input or experience you may have to share, this list is a great resource! Regards, LiangTyan Fui Leston Drake LetterPress Software, Inc. http://www.lpsoftware.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. Leston Drake LetterPress Software, Inc. http://www.lpsoftware.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. Regards, Andu Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: field height and group height
This one is slowly driving me insane. Say I have a group with two fields in it - one is a heading, and the other is a column below that. And I want the column field to be really, really tall... as in a height of 1635. And to top it all off, I want to make a group out of the two fields, and make the group scrollable (because my stack is only 400 tall.) I have not been able to do this. Every time I quit out of my stack and then come back, the field gets resized smaller. If I try to set the height of the column field on openCard, it doesn't work... it extends the field both higher and lower, and covers the heading field. Arrgh. Why does MetaCard by default shrink fields that are over a certain height? And is there a way to defeat this? Set lockLocation to true for both. r Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. Regards, Andu Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: pasting
Here's a rather strange request... When someone pastes text into a field, is there any way to get the beginning char and ending char of the text they pasted? I've played around with pasteKey, but can't seem to get anything to work. In other words, if I paste "Just a test" into an empty field 1, I'd like MetaCard to somehow return to me "chars 1 to 11 of field 1". If this is possible, I'd love to know how. If not, oh well. Tough job. I think your best bet is to use a hidden field where you can paste the same text, find fld 2 in the main field and get the "foundChunk". Trouble is that at least on MacOS the pasteKey message is generated on command + c also, probably a bug to be reported. Why? I'm trying to create a spell check engine that does spell checking "on the fly", the same way that Microsoft Word 98 does. I've gotten pretty darned far with it, but I need a way of checking the spelling words that the user pastes. If I HAVE to, I can check every word in the whole entire field each time the pasteKey message occurs, but my preference would be to find a better solution. I think your best bet is to use a hidden field where you can paste the same text, find fld 2 in the main field and take it from there. Trouble is that at least on MacOS pasteKey message is generated on command + c also, probably a bug to be reported. :) Richard MacLemale Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. Regards, Andu Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: numeric sensitive (?)
Hello, Does mc have a specific function that, like caseSensitive, restricts data-input to numbers? If not, any alternate suggestions? Use matchText or offset, right? I ask because, after implementing Nelson Zink's clock-timer script (thank you!), I realized what some misguided (evil minded?!) user could do when prompted by: ask "Count down how many seconds?" with 300 I would use something like: ..if it is not a number then ask "Try a number this time, you evil minded user!!!" with 300 (BTW I wonder how a standalone version would react to a deliberate misuse in this manner of an ask-field? As a stack, mc handled the error, but, as a standalone? Guess I'll go find out. Hee-hee!) Cheers. Nicolas R Cueto Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. Regards, Andu Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Position in File?
Hi I'm using a buffer to provide access to a large text file of up to 200Mb in total. The user can jump around the text file using buttons for next/prev group of records and start/end of file. The problem I have is that I don't see how I can tell where I am in the file at any given point. There doesn't seem to be any command for determining the current read or write point in an open file. Any suggestions please? Have you tried something with lineOffset + wholeMatches = true? Say, get the offset of the first line of each group of records in the text file. Add the number of lines of the group and you know exactly where you are. Cheers Peter Regards, Andu Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Processing many lines of Text
OK That discussion on replacing the EQL at the end of lines was very useful.
I have constantly working with long lists probably could get much better
performance. most recently I am processing a 2 meg file with 27,000 address
on 108,000 lines
The goal is to
a) search and replace various strings of "garbage"
b) replace lines we don't want with nothing
c) introduce a delimiter between each address to facilitate the next
process.
I have this script, which is deleting the last line of an address with a
phone number that is usually garble and introducing a delimiter, the first
line of each address always ends in ", MD" and so we use that also to
introduce a delimiter where there is no phone number in the preceding
address:
on mouseUp
set the caseSensitive to false
answer file "Select A Text File"
put it into tPath
put url ("file:"tPath) into theFileData
repeat with x = to the number of lines of theFileData # File has 107,000
lines!
put x into fld lineNumber
if line x of theFileData contains "phone" then put "" into line x of
theFileData
if line x of theFileData contains "hone " then put "" into line x of
theFileData
if line x of theFileData contains "hone:" then put "" into line x of
theFileData
if line x of theFileData contains ", MD" then put "" before line x of
theFileData
end repeat
put theFileData into url ("file:"tPath)
end mouseUp
is there a more efficient way to construct this? it took several hours to
process the list.
Try :
repeat for each line i in theFileData
if i contains "hone" then put "" into i # maybe "word 1 of i"
end repeat
along these lines should be faster.
Then our next process will be to delete addresses using the "" as a
delimiter and a list of names we want out of the list e.g.
put fld "namesToRemove" into theDeleteNameList
where the fld "namestoRemove' will have maybe twenty names each on its
ownline
name1
name2
name3
etc.
The script would normally look like this:
On mouseUp
ask for and then put the file into theFileData (several lines)
set the itemdel to ""
put fld "NamestoRemove" into theDeleteNameList
repeat with x = 1 to the number of items of theFileData
repeat with y = 1 to the number of lines of theDeleteNameList
if item x of theFileData contains line y of theDeleteNameList then
put empty into item x of theFileData
end if
end repeat
end repeat
end mouseUp
I suspect above construction will be very slow. any improvements ala MC's
optimal procedures?
thanks
Hinduism Today
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Re: ScrollBar on Stack/Print an 8 1/2
How so you set a very "tall" background on a 640 X 480 stack size? i.e. create a scrollable stack where we will want to put an entire 8 1/2 X 11 sized background on a card. The strategy will be to create dynamic content in a educational presentation set to a 640 X 480 window, with some of the cards being full "pages" that can be printed out and used as a hard copy reference by the student for homework when away from his computer, punched and put into his binder etc. Ideally we can also "hide and show" the scrollbars as needed. . .only showing them on the pages that will be printed out to a full letter sized printer. . Will the implementation of the above differ for MC and WinDoz? I suspect there are several ways to tackle this, one being to dynamically, by script, resize the stack when going to the pages to be printed .. . perhaps there are even other strategies? Certainly this has already been done. . . Sometimes looking for "the best way" to do something can become counter productive, you know. Hinduism Today Sivakatirswami Editor's Assistant/Production Manager www.HinduismToday.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. Regards, Andu Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: file size on mac os +
Thanks to Andu and Scott Raney for the ftp MetaCard stack! Using the ftp stack as an example, I've built a stack that can upload and download files to a password-protected server via ftp, and all the user has to do is click one button. Love it, LOVE IT! And now of course I have another question! When uploading a file, I did not want to read it all into memory first... rather, I wanted to read a bit, send a bit, read a bit, send a bit, etc. This would cut down dramatically on RAM usage for folks sending huge files. To make a real long story short, I got it working. But in order for it to work, I had to get the file size of the file I was sending. My current way of doing this is inelegant... put 0 into tBytes repeat while the result is not "eof" read from file sourceName for 2 characters put the number of characters in it + tBytes into tBytes end repeat close file sourceName Can anyone suggest the best way to do this in the Mac and also Windows? If so, thanks in advance! Best way it may not be but different, yes: put "file:" fileX into tFile # fileX is the path to your file put the length of url tFile into tBytes put 1 into tOffset open file fileX for read repeat if tOffset = tBytes then exit repeat read from file fileX at tOffset for 2000 put it after Var1 # or whatever add 2000 to tOffset end repeat close file fileX :) Richard MacLemale Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: FTP from within MC
Thanks for everyone's feed back on FTP. Pretty clear now what we can and cannot do. Scott said: It's trivial as Internet protocols go, but would require learning something about how the Internet works (i.e., sockets). OK, ready and willing. . .where is the classroom? any URL's that you can offer where this "required learning" can be had? The classroom is on the web. Search Yahoo for http,ftp,etc. protocols and read some RFCs to get an idea of how things are supposed to work. Don't worry if you only understand 5% from them, it's normal ;-). Use the stacks mentioned earlier for examples of reading/writing to/from sockets. Experiment. Hinduism Today Sivakatirswami Editor's Assistant/Production Manager www.HinduismToday.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: A stack above another?!
Hello all, I have a stack "manager", which manages al "learning plug-ins". A learning plugin is a stack of a specified size, with no decorations. I send en exercise to it, and it displays the exercise. The only problem is that when the user clicks in the manager, the plugin disappears. If I make the plugin a palette, the user can't click any button in the manager... Why not? It's like having the tools palette and the home stack open. Is there out there a solution Thanks in advance, Sjoerd Op 't Land Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Externals/ Implementation
The externals on mac work just like you imagined- they need to be in the resource fork(only). Either use ResEdit or MC's commands to deal with them. I'll send you off the list a stack I made (probably one of my first in MC) to transfer resources among HC-MC stacks at least to see the scripts. And of course, you call them in your scripts by their specific syntax. Dlls I never used so others can fill in. Andu Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Download Self-bootable stacks?
Questions about serving MC stack via web pages and via MC stacks that Load stacks 1) Assuming that a client had already downloaded the Metacard engine for their platform, can you then, from an HTML file/web page. . .serve up a MC stack that will self-boot when it completes downloading? You can "serve up" a stack but you need a client to get it. If the client is a stack as you describe bellow using "go stack" will achieve the desired effect otherwise the engine on its own cannot open a stack. Or, is it a requirement that they would have to download that stack and then take the initiative to run it, and then once running, scripts could "take over" and do the "downLoad and Go" thing. 2) For Stacks that are downloaded via the "load URL" command and then opened with "go" they are obviously present at that time only in RAM. Can one include a "save" command in their "on closeStack" that automatically will save it to their hard drive? Yes, see save in docs. Good habit to look there first. Hinduism Today Sivakatirswami -- Regards, Andu Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
interesting article
On freshmeat.com http://freshmeat.com/news/2000/04/16/955943940.html -- Regards, Andu Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
anyone knows PERL?
I have a perl script that I need translated to MC or at least understand it so that I can do the translation. Is anyone out there knowledgeable in perl and willing to help me? TIA -- Regards, Andu Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Important notice to all list subscribers
Hi Everyone, The purpose of this list is not to solicit market research (nor to carry any form of advertisting: in fact I spend time behind the scenes making sure this list stays free of this kind of material). However, this once I'm going to break the rules! To follow on from Scott's earlier post: I'd like to make a plea to *everyone* on this list to fill in the MetaCard survey. We've been busy processing the results in so far, and turnout has been lower than expected. The MetaCard survey is more than interesting reading for us, it really does greatly influence the development of the next version of MetaCard. By taking a moment to go and fill it in, you will actually influence the development of the product. Your comments are needed to help decide what makes it into the next version, and what doesn't. Of course, that leads to a product better suited to *your* specific needs. This only happens once a year, and will take you less than 10 minutes to fill in. So please, whether you've purchased MetaCard or not, whether you post regularly to this list, or just lurk, in fact, whoever you are, please go and fill in the survey at: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/metacard_survey.htm Thanks very much, Kevin Listmaster I thought the benefits of this survey were self evident to everyone using MC. Do it people, now! -- Regards, Andu Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
test-don't read
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Re: MC Internet Suite Guidance
Aloha, I'm just getting started here. Please bear with the "newbie" questions. As a long time SC user, the tutorials and concepts etc that come with the starter kit serve for someone to study and get a grip on MC to make a presentations for CD deployment, set up small dbases etc. text manipulation there's a learning curve, but that's all pretty straight forward. But how to use all the internet commands, compress files etc? I don't find any user's guidance. . .so how to get a grip on this? The scenario is pretty obvious: I didn't quite understand what your application is supposed to do, so for your benefit, please restate the purpose of it in simple words so maybe I can help you. The "internet stuff" is not the easiest thing to figure out but if I get a clear idea of what you want I might be able to send you some example scripts to help you get the idea. I am sure the above is relatively simple but if you drove our small John Deere tractor for several years and then got into our big FORD tractor. . .well, someone has to tell you what levers do what. . .A step buy step guide would help; I don't need a line by line scripts (yet), I can write the code, I just need a "do this first, then do that, then use the URL commands to do this ..." Is there a USER guide on line to implement this side of MC capabilities? Thanks! Hinduism Today Sivakatirswami Editor's Assistant/Production Manager www.HinduismToday.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. -- Regards, Andu Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Launch a URL in the user's Browser
OK, thanks for the help so far. I'll ask very focused questions from now on. In trying to examine the MCDemo2.mc to "see how it is done." I can get the focus to that stack using topstack="mcdemo2.mc" and then open the control browser etc. but then when i go to the next card the scripts all start to run. . .if I do command period, my system hangs momentarily. i can get the message box up and open the tools and set the backdrop to none and get back Home,more or less, but then if try again to move to another card in the demo, it starts up. . . How do you make the whole thing just remain static and then move from card to card to examine the scripts in the cards and objects? One solution is to save copies of substacks from the mctools.mc stack as mainstacks on their own. Start up MC, choose "open.." and open mctools.mc. Go Edit, Stack properties (opens the palette), choose Components, doubleClick on the name of the stack you want, it opens, type in Message Box "clone topStack()" and you'll have a copy of that stack. Save it, quit and restart MC, and open the saved stack. Switch to edit mode and there you are. Hinduism Today Sivakatirswami Editor's Assistant/Production Manager www.HinduismToday.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. -- Regards, Andu Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Launch a URL in the user's Browser
The simple answer is "lock messages; go next" in the Message Box. Scott This ";" was there all along I just didn't know about it, right? ;-) -- Regards, Andu Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: first past the POST
The saga continues. I've been having great difficultly getting my CourseInfo web server to accept a POST from Metacard. Rather than describe the problem in detail here, I've made a testbed stack which illustrates the problem. I've also included a few TCP/IP logs in the stack to show you exactly what's going on, and some bookmarks of relevant web sites in the stack notes. I think the problem is related to how I am formatting the multipart/form-data. I've tried URL formatted POST which didn't work either. First, from what I remember "Content-Type: multipart..." has to do with attachments and you don't send POST data as attachment but as part of a http request. Bonus: if you'd like to try CourseInfo out, this is your opportunity. Inside the stack I've provided user account details - you'll need this access to be able to test the stack. The CourseInfo account/course will only be available for the next week or so, then I'll delete it. You can ftp the stack, ci_pos, from: ftp://139.80.66.35/ci_post.zip Please help me - this is driving me nuts. Here is what a "real" POST request looks like when it reaches the server: POST /script.cgi HTTP/1.0 Connection: Keep-Alive User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Host: hostname:portNumber Accept: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, image/png, */* Accept-Encoding: gzip Accept-Language: en Accept-Charset: iso-8859-1,*,utf-8 Content-type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded Content-length: 112 Submit=SubmitTextArea1=this+is+the+text+in+the+first+field.TextArea4=and+this+is+the+text+in+the+second+8field ##Submit is the button so disregard it. Hope this helps. Rodney -- Regards, Andu Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: openStack handler
*This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* I am converting a SuperCard application to MetaCard. The SC project script had an openProject handler that would execute when the project was opened. I am trying to come up with a similar handler in MetaCard. If I change the openProject handler to an openStack handler for my mainStack then the handler is called every time a substack is opened. Is there a handler that will execute only when the mainStack is opened? You can try something like: on openStack if the short name of this stack is your main stack then do stuff end if end openStack Larry Huisingh Andu Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: cut copy paste buttons on the mac
*This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* Scott Raney wrote: *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* On Wed, 15 Mar 2000, Jeff Reynolds wrote: Has anyone noticed that the f1, f2, f3, and f4 keys dont work with metacard on the mac with os 8.6 and metacard 2.3 in the authoring environment? ive tried using a quickkeys alais even to command c etc and those wont work. keyboard command c, x, v, z work fine. just hard to stop my brain loop of hitting the f keys... any solutions out there??? Never heard of this. Is this standard on MacOS? The only standard usages I know of those keys is that F1 is Help in most UNIX and Windows apps, and F3 is occasionally repeat-command (like control-P in the MetaCard Message Box). There are some applications using the f keys for cut-copy-paste, one of them is Claris works but I was surprised to find this out. I believe it's an old mac thing on the verge of extinction. Kind of like the delete key these days. You could easily add a frontScript to map these keys to anything you want. See the functionKey message. Regards, Scott thanks --- - Jeffrey H. Reynolds Waveforms [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- - andu Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Practical example of POST cmd wanted
This is not strictly a metacard question, but I'm hoping that someone might be able to help... I'm wanting to post some data from a Metacard stack to a web server, simulating a web page which normally submits a form. The form being submitted has the following data items: FORM METHOD="POST" ENCTYPE="multipart/form-data" ACTION='/bin/common/externallinks_add.pl' input type='hidden' name='course_id' value='CI_Exchange' input type='hidden' name='area' value='externallinks' input type='hidden' name='parent_id' value="Top" input type=hidden name='type' value='D' input type=hidden name='parent_id' value='Top' input type='text' name='title' size='50' input type='text' name='url' size='50' value="http://" textarea name='description' rows='5' cols='45' wrap='soft' input type='radio' checked name='available_ind' value='Y' input type='radio' name='available_ind' value='N' input type='radio' name='launch_ind' value='Y' input type='radio' checked name='launch_ind' value='N' Assume I create some fields and buttons in MC that simulate the form. Next I would use MC "post" command to send this data to the server. How should the data be formatted before submission? If I could find out exactly what the web browser was sending (how it formulates the data) I could figure this out for myself, if anyone knows of a web site/tools that could help here please, fire away! ( I found an echo cgi script on my Apple web server, but the formatting of the data that this returns looks strange and I'm a bit suspicious the web server has reformatted it somehow.) After posting the data the server would reply and I would read the result from the it variable, although this seems to time out very quickly returning nothing. All this makes me wonder if perhaps it would be better to use socket commands to post the data? Any ideas or working examples would be appreciated. Regards, Rodney I only know a Mac tool "OTSessionWatcher" by Stairways (stairways.com.au) which might help you. The best way though is to modify mchttpd to output in a field a POST request from a browser. -- Regards, Andu Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Metacard List server anyone?
On Fri, 10 Mar 2000, David Bovill wrote: Thought so, but I gather there is a problem with being able to do this? Only the amount of work required. Actually one other problem is that it might be hard to find an ISP willing to host it: Most of them have no problem installing MetaCard engines for use with CGI scripts, but are not so keen on letting you set up continuously running servers. But it would work fine in an "Intranet" environment, or if you had a "colocation" server set up someplace (your hardware running on their local network). Building something like majordomo (which is written in Perl and works with sendmail) in MetaCard would be easier because you wouldn't have to deal with the SMTP part. But it seems to me that as long as you're going to do it, you might as well go whole hog ;-) Just by looking at sendmail configuration made me decide that the "easy" way is to write the whole thing from scratch (a third of it I did already). Something like this could run on anyone's computer even with a dynamic IP address using a static name from DynDNS. A level of sophistication could be achieved by incorporating a simple mail client in MC. Regards, Scott Regards, Andu Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
just a test
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Re: Metacard List server anyone?
On Sun, 12 Mar 2000 andu wrote: Just by looking at sendmail configuration made me decide that the "easy" way is to write the whole thing from scratch (a third of it I did already). Something like this could run on anyone's computer even with a dynamic IP address using a static name from DynDNS. Sendmail is a real pain in the butt to set up right, and now that most of the development effort is going toward the commercial version (which reportedly is easier to set up, but still no picnic), it's unlikely that this will change. Sounds like a good opportunity to me, regardless of whether you plan on doing it open-source or as a commercial product. As a matter of fact I looked at other mail demons for Linux and they aren't any better in terms of configuration. In order for me to "watch" some functionality details I'll have to do it on MacOS (hopefully more "user friendly"). A level of sophistication could be achieved by incorporating a simple mail client in MC. Coincidentally, LiangTyan Fui just sent me such a client. It looks a little rough and I haven't really tested it, but it looks very complete and does support both POP and SMTP (although only via a relay because of the MX record support problem discussed earlier). You can get it as: ftp://ftp.metacard.com/MetaCard/mcmail.mc I'm not sure what MX record is. He's also got a SMTP server nearly complete, but is stuck on the MX record problem. Relaying is an OK strategy for clients (in fact that's what just about all POP/IMAP clients do), but it just doesn't fly for servers. As soon as a few more of these important protocols get implemented, we're going to have to sit down and organize them, come up with a common scripting language API (so you can use them easier from your other stacks), polish them up a little, and document them better. The eventual goals being to have them be usable apps in their own rights, but more importantly make it easier to use as components in larger projects. That won't be easy specially due to performance considerations. Mean time, use this package, and the FTP package, and mchttpd whenever you can, see if you can improve them, and at least send in suggestions and bug reports. Regards, Scott Scott Raney [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.metacard.com MetaCard: You know, there's an easier way to do that... Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. -- Regards, Andu Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: Broken records -:)
On Wed, 08 Mar 2000, you wrote: On 8/3/00 10:58 pm, Scott Raney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin, would it be possible to add a name to the "Sender:" line in addition to that address so that people whose mailers show real names at least won't have to see the misleading address? Maybe a good, flexible MC-list server should be on the to-do list of those experts out there ;-) Unfortunately its not. The line at the bottom of the posts will have to suffice. Kevin Kevin Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.xworlds.com/ Cross Worlds Computing, MetaCard Distributors, Custom Development. Tel: +44 (0)131 672 2909. Fax: +44 (0)1639 830 707. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list. -- Regards, Andu Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Please send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not this list.
Re: formatting text in a field
Here's a very basic question for you all... I have a document with some formatted text that I need to put into a MC field. How do you get formatted text into an MC field? I've tried copy and paste, but all I get is the plain text. I've found that I can change the font face, size, and style manually in Browse mode using the Text menu. And I guess that I could live with that if copy and paste is not supported. However, I can't seem to be able to change the alignment for single lines of text. Is this possible? I doubt it. The formated text in MC is based on html with not much support for that either. TIA -- Leston Drake LetterPress Software, Inc. http://www.lpsoftware.com -- This is the MetaCard mailing list. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Regards, Andu This is the MetaCard mailing list. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm
Re: games anyone?
David Bovill wrote: Sure, but in April. Networked game maybe? My son is 6ish... Anytime, thanks. = Regards, Andu This is the MetaCard mailing list. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm
Re: current card?
Hi all, Does anyone know of a property that will tell me which card is being shown in an open stack? something equivalent to the current card of stack s? If there is not a property (I haven't been able to find one yet) does anyone have a good suggestion for finding this? If you do: on openCard put the short name of the current cd end openCard will give you the name of the shown card. TIA -- Leston Drake LetterPress Software, Inc. http://www.lpsoftware.com -- This is the MetaCard mailing list. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Regards, Andu This is the MetaCard mailing list. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm
Re: FastCGI and metacard.mt scripts ?
Hi Anyone, On the first side, i have to use Apache (on a Suse Linux 6.3 box) - and there for can't switch, at this time, to mchttpd_1b.mc - because it's the extranet's httpd used on the server. On the second side, i use, on a MacOS server, some acgi.apps (Hypercard, Metacard) that communicate with WebSTAR via appleevents and those apps are many more fast running as the metacard.mt scripts are under the standard cgi module used by Apache : one hand : the MacOS cgi apps are waiting in the background without to have to reload the global variables each time a new appleevent request come in... second hand : the metacard.mt scripts (and the global variables) are reloaded each time a new Apache cgi instance is needed. Is there a solution to get a good speed in serving mc scripts by using the FastCGI module suitable with Apache ? If yes, is there anyone here that can explain me how to install and use FastCGI to serve metacard scripts via Apache (Suse Linux 6.3) ? Else, is there a best solution to get a good speed in serving mc cgi scripts on Linux ? I find it hard to believe that using the AppleEvents path is faster then direct script execution. Also if you mean by globals what I mean in this case, they also get reloaded for every request to the server. I tend to believe that the difference in performance is either due to some misconfiguration of Apache or some problem with the script in the .mt file. I'd be curious to take a look at the script if you are willing to email it to me off the list. Thank's a lot for any help, -- Pierre Sahores This is the MetaCard mailing list. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm Regards, Andu This is the MetaCard mailing list. Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/metacard%40lists.best.com/ Info: http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/mailinglist.htm
