Hi Mike and all!
Can't tell by looking at it if it's all metal. If it is predominently
metal (by a large %) and the olivines and such match that of Katol, then
this would be an L-Metalwould it not?
Jim
On 1/1/2014 5:33 PM, Michael Farmer wrote:
Yes, this piece is oriented heat shield
It was bought on the spot from the finders as they lined up to sell the
meteorites.
It is Katol:) Central India is not Morocco with every person having a box of
meteorites to sell.
It is almost completely iron, with perhaps 5% silicates.
Michael Farmer
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On Jan 2, 2014, at
Then it should have it's own classification! If it's 95% metal.
Just my opinion.
Do we classify falls or meteorites?
Seems we loose by classifying falls.
Jim
On 1/2/2014 6:24 AM, Michael Farmer wrote:
It was bought on the spot from the finders as they lined up to sell the
meteorites.
It is
I am not going to cut that piece.
Michael Farmer
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Then it should have it's own classification! If it's 95% metal.
Just my opinion.
Do we classify falls or meteorites?
Seems we loose by
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I am not going to cut that piece.
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I am not going to cut that piece.
Michael Farmer
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Then it should have it's own classification! If it's 95% metal.
Just my opinion.
Do we
Hi Greg and all,
I would not suggest another name nor would I suggest it's a different
fall. However I would suggest a numbering schema that maybe followed a
find sequence. Katol 001, Katol 005, etc.
I say that because if stuff is never studied...ie classifiedwe just
will never know
It would be great if that were done at time of fall like for Sutter's Mill or
Portales Valley. Katol was impossible since it was being collected by locals
and most disappeared into the black hole of Calcutta.
Michael Farmer
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On Jan 2, 2014, at 8:29 AM, Jim Wooddell
, January 02, 2014 10:29 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] KATOL (L6) is official
Hi Greg and all,
I would not suggest another name nor would I suggest it's a different
fall. However I would suggest a numbering schema that maybe followed a
find sequence
Hello Jeff and Graham,
Exactly.but a step further. I would suggest going further than just
saying what the lithology is.
That was done in this case in the write up.
Okay, so we have as an example Katol #4(?). If you say it has a metal
rich lithologywhat is it?
Everything past that
Hi MikeG and All:
The iron might be from L6 if it turns out that the few silicates in it
(olivine and pyroxenes) have L6 geochem. You see that in the H-metal
from Yucca. Of course large metal masses are probably not as commonly
associated with L. Also if you had oxygen isotopes of the silicate
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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] KATOL (L6) is official
Hi Greg and all,
I would not suggest another name nor would I suggest it's a different
fall. However I would suggest a numbering schema that maybe followed a
find sequence. Katol 001, Katol 005, etc.
I say that because if stuff is never
Carl, you you suggesting this might be from different fall? I was there less
than two weeks after the fall. I bought pieces as they were being found right
in front of us. When we showed up with cash the whole village ran around
picking up stones in 52 degree C (120f) heat. There were stones
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Hi Greg and all,
I would not suggest another
, 2014 10:29 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] KATOL (L6) is official
Hi Greg and all,
I would not suggest another name nor would I suggest it's a different
fall. However I would suggest a numbering schema that maybe followed a
find sequence. Katol 001
Hi Carl,
Spot on!
Question: How much material is required for the oxygen isotope testing???
When we were working on the H-Metal, the ICPMS-LA (Herd) tests completed
on the last one used less than 100 milli-grams.
And previous INAA (Actlabs) testing used 100 milli-grams. And, as you
know
I am not arguing with Laurence, the photos of the thin sections, the oxygen
isotope data seems clear.
I am simply showing there is a little more going on with Katol than common (l6).
You can examine the piece in Tucson when you come down for the show.
I think you'll like it.
Michael Farmer
Sent
It is one of the prettiest meteorite pieces I've ever seen, it isn't going to
be drilled, cored, cut, slabbed, dipped in acid or melted! The other 4 pieces
were sold (Europe I think) let them chop theirs up:)
Michael Farmer
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On Jan 2, 2014, at 9:07 AM, Jim Wooddell
Mike,
Given the wide range of lithologies we are hearing about, all I am
saying it might be interesting to test the multiple lithologies and
confirm what you are saying. I am not suggesting anything about
multiple bodies or not, I don't have an opinion. I am simply
describing how you could
Some comments that have been made suggest no chondrules, yet there they
are in the BSE images. Laurence does give their sizes in the write
up and they tend to be really small (200 - 700 um), but not really
uncommon. Because of their size, could that be why
some are missing them when they look
Jim,
For one oxygen isotope analysis, I need way less - 1 mg is sufficient. If
there were pieces of silicate sticking out on Mike's sample, along the
margin of the cut side, maybe these could just be clipped/broken off?
Karen
On 1/2/14 9:07 AM, Jim Wooddell jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net wrote:
Hi Karen!
Amazing!
Great info. I am sure I will be talking to you soon on a project I am
working on. Carl has some of the data now.
I can understand why Mike is not going to touch his sample! LOL!
Maybe one of the other collectors will come forward with one of the
other metal specimens!
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Jim Wooddell jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net
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I am not arguing
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It was bought on the spot from the finders as they lined up to sell the
meteorites.
It is Katol:) Central India is not Morocco with every person having a box
of meteorites to sell
?
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Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 5:24 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] KATOL (L6) is official
It was bought on the spot from the finders
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Hi Jim,
I wouldn't call it lazy science, but I agree with a numbering system
when
possible, but when there are several people from around the world
involved
in a fall collecting stones
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Here is Mike Farmer's picture:
http://s1192.photobucket.com/user/desertsunburn/media/katolphoto_zps463296b4
.jpg.html
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Hi Jeff and all!
I'd say XRF data can and does vary. Not enough info in the write up on
testing methods. What is the accepted procedure
agreed to using XRF to test? BIG QUESTION!
Read on!
A few years ago, XRF seemed to not be considered much in this
community. Only a few were using it
Mike, I can host it for a time if you have a big image. However, why
not send it to Jeff (sized edited to 800 pixels) for inclusion in the
bulletin? He takes care of that pretty quick.
Jim
On 12/31/2013 6:31 PM, Michael Farmer wrote:
Anyone who can host a photo to post to the list, let
Yes, Jim, and this is why arm-chair science is not a good idea! We
really have to wait for the publication to see what was done.
There is a vast and long literature on XRF analysis of geological
materials, including meteorites. The scientific community has accepted
these for decades. The
Anyone who can host a photo to post to the list, let me know. I have a great
photo of my 136 gram oriented Katol (L6) iron to share.
Michael Farmer
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On Dec 31, 2013, at 10:23 AM, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote:
Carl, the huge metal nodules, the large green
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Mike, I can host it for a time if you have a big image. However, why
not send it to Jeff (sized edited to 800 pixels) for inclusion in the
bulletin? He takes care of that pretty quick.
Jim
On 12/31/2013 6:31 PM, Michael
: [meteorite-list] KATOL (L6) is official
Mike, I can host it for a time if you have a big image. However, why
not send it to Jeff (sized edited to 800 pixels) for inclusion in the
bulletin? He takes care of that pretty quick.
Jim
On 12/31/2013 6:31 PM, Michael Farmer wrote:
Anyone who can host
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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] KATOL (L6) is official
Mike, I can host it for a time if you have a big image. However, why
not send it to Jeff (sized edited to 800 pixels) for inclusion in the
bulletin? He takes care
Thanks Jeff!
Would love to see a polished window image as well as some BSE images
now! Maybe Laurence or whoever has them can share!
If this thing is going to have a paper published we may have to wait!
Jim
On 1/1/2014 11:35 AM, Jeff Grossman wrote:
Mike's photo in posted in the
Beautiful oriented and flow lines! I assume all the circular and
spherical shapes are chondrules peeking through the fusion crust?
Thanks for sharing Mike!
Carl
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Or perhaps the sphericals are vesiculation of fusion crust? I agree
with Jim, it would be nice to see some BSE images.
Carl
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I think it is almost totally nickel iron and the marks are flow lines
and small impact pits similar to those you find on Sikhote Alin...
Graham
On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 8:30 PM, Carl Agee a...@unm.edu wrote:
Or perhaps the sphericals are vesiculation of fusion crust? I agree
with Jim, it would
Hello All,
Krinov discussed the depressions with raised rims observed on Sikhote
Alines and concluded that they were not impact marks, but were instead
formed when volatile inclusions (relative to Fe-Ni) reached the
surface of the iron and boiled out. I have seen a few with remnants
of what might
Oh, of course, this the metal-rich piece?
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Hi Mike and all!
I have not seen Katol, except for your sample. Am I assuming correctly
that your high iron specimen is what is mentioned in the write-up? If
it is,
does this mean your specimen is not representative of the others? The
way I read it, it is not. What do the other samples look
There are many variations in Katol, some pieces were almost achondrite-like
shiny glossy crust, some were more chondritic looking, others were all or
partial iron. I know of 5 complete iron pieces.
It is not heterogenous.
Michael Farmer
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On Jan 1, 2014, at 5:27 PM, Jim
Yes, this piece is oriented heat shield shaped with countless flow lines and
bubbles on the thick backside crust. There are a couple of crystal-rich
sections. It is one of my favorite pieces in my collection, the adventure to
acquire was a little scary.
Laurence Garvie has taken many photos of
No chondrules.
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On Jan 1, 2014, at 4:25 PM, Graham Ensor graham.en...@gmail.com wrote:
I think it is almost totally nickel iron and the marks are flow lines
and small impact pits similar to those you find on Sikhote Alin...
Graham
On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 8:30 PM,
Check out the geochem plots now posted in the MetBull for Katol:
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/drawplot.php?x=24.9y=0.4plot=2label=Katol%20%28L6%29
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/drawplot.php?x=21.9y=0.5plot=3label=Katol%20%28L6%29
Hi Mike and List,
Mike, and the behalf of countless others, I hope we hear that story
one day. I imagine it must have been pretty bad for you to say it was
a little scary.
There are a predominance of stony lithologies, but Mike's iron is
obviously not an L6 chondrite. So what do we call a mass
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Hi
Dear list members,
Katol is officially listed as an L6 in the Bulletin now!
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=Katolsfor=namesants=falls=valids=stype=containslrec=50map=gebrowse=country=Allsrt=namecateg=Allmblist=Allrect=phot=snew=0pnt=Normal%20tablecode=58500
Happy new year 2014
Wow, this is just a surprize, or maybe not ?
For me the crust looks alot like chondrite material, so Im not surprized
here.
But still interesting
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On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 7:30 AM, PolandMET mar...@polandmet.com wrote:
Wow, this is just a surprize, or maybe not ?
For me the crust looks alot like chondrite material, so Im not surprized
here.
But still interesting
Nice GeoChem data. Interesting to see the XFR data included.
Happy New Year!
Jim Wooddell
On 12/31/2013 8:14 AM, karmaka wrote:
Dear list members,
Katol is officially listed as an L6 in the Bulletin now!
Super write-up by Laurence Garvie, but strange that there was so much
mystery surrounding what turns out to be garden variety L6, albeit a
nice fresh fall. I wonder why people thought it was achondrite-ung?
Oxygen and geochem are unequivocal EOC, no mystery at all.
Carl Agee
Hi Carl and all!
Yes, nice write-up! It seems to raise a bar for geochem if someone
wanted to go this far with a particular
specimen. Cool to see Karen involved!
So now, I have all sorts of ideas for one I am working on! Now all I
need to do is win the lottery! NMU is becoming or has
Carl, the huge metal nodules, the large green crystals throughout the matrix,
very odd meteorites, everyone who looked at it thought it was an achondrite,
including many scientists.
I've never seen an L6 with white matrix and some pieces nearly green with
crystals.
Not your garden variety
Hi Mike,
No doubt an interesting meteorite! I guess I should qualify it by
saying the oxygen and the olivine and pyroxene geochem data are garden
variety EOC. I guess looks can be deceiving -- yet another testimony
to lab data being the blind taste test.
Carl
The lab data you (Carl) mention suggests only L, nothing more. No
one's arguing with that. We had that data months ago.
As I understand it, not one chondrule was observed optically in Katol;
they were found only when examining BSE images. This would have ruled
out a chondritic classification
Mike, Andy, Jim,
I don't have bias one way or another in the case of Katol, but looking
at the data in the write-up this is a clear-cut L6 chondrite -- no
ambiguity. There are chondrules albeit highly equilbrated, the
olivines are L6, the pyroxenes are L6, the oxygen isotopes are
L-chondrite. If
Jason,
The lab data suggest more than just L. The low standard deviation on
the Fa and Fs indicate type 5 or 6, with the the faint chondrules and
high Wo we are definitely at type 6. Just because it's hard to see the
chondrules with a petrographic microscope doesn't mean they aren't
there. I hope
Hello Carl, All,
The low standard deviation on Fa and Fs denotes a high degree of
equilibration, not just 5 or 6. Five or above would be more
accurate. The nearly absent chondrules and high Wo are at [or beyond]
type 6. If you're a researcher who believes in type 7 chondrites,
since not all do.
Can't resist doing some arm-chair science... usually a bad move, but oh
well... I'll probably end up retracting much of this speculation...
There IS something strange about this meteorite to me. I don't know how
good the XRF analysis is, but it is not what I would expect from an L
Hi Jason et al.
Nice that the Met-list is lively again!
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