Re: Bluetooth in OpenBSD

2006-04-05 Thread Andreas Bihlmaier
On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 06:50:54PM +0200, Marcus Lindemann wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I must admit I never tried that before myself on OBSD, but did use BT on phones on different occasions. I see several points of potential failures here. 1.) Bluetooth connection Are you sure you

Re: why is there . [dot] in default PATH?

2006-04-05 Thread Jurjen Oskam
On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 09:15:58PM +0200, RedShift wrote: I cannot see how this would be exploitable. root doesn't have . in it's PATH. Other people were discussing cat and cta for example. For this to work, one would have to be able to write to the victim's home directory, $ cd /tmp $

Re: When would you NOT use OpenBSD?

2006-04-05 Thread Anton Karpov
When would you NOT use OpenBSD? When would you choose one of the other *nix over OpenBSD? I'm NOT using OpenBSD on my laptop, it's powered by FreeBSD instead. Basically this is due to lack of acpi and bluetooth support in OpenBSD.

Re: gcc miscompiles ntohs16() inline assembly in OpenBSD 3.8

2006-04-05 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Wed, 5 Apr 2006, chefren wrote: We have found an 'interesting interaction' between the gcc compiler and OpenBSD's inline assembly definition of ntohs(). The resulting bug in the generated assembly causes corrupted data under the following circumstances: * The 16-bit value from

Re: Support for new Atheros chips?

2006-04-05 Thread Alexander Hall
Nick Guenther wrote: The AR5212 cards are still buggy (for example, mine doesn't work). I don't know what that means for the 5213 ones, but it's probably not good. On the other hand, I know that the developers have been really pushing on the vendors for support (yay!). Ok, thanks. I returned

OpenBSD to Cisco VPN - help needed

2006-04-05 Thread Karl Kopp
Hi All, Our router is humming along nicely, and my prev post re moving a mount was answered perfectly and is scheduled for tonite - THANKS :) One problem I am having is VPN issues. Firstly, I know a router shouldn't also do VPNing, and we will setup another box to do specific VPN hand off, but

bgpd originator backwards

2006-04-05 Thread tony sarendal
I installed a route-collector in my test network to get a better view on things. Originator is backwards. /Tony quagga-bgpd# sh ip bgp 192.168.10.0 BGP routing table entry for 192.168.10.0/24 Paths: (11 available, best #2, table Default-IP-Routing-Table) Not advertised to any peer Local

Bluetooth in OpenBSD

2006-04-05 Thread Alexey E. Suslikov
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: #ppp myisp Working in interactive mode using interface: tun0 #dial Warning:Chat script failed here is what you need see your BT devices http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=articlesid=20050114160755mode=flat

Re: C++ textbooks: recommendations?

2006-04-05 Thread Simon Biles
Have a look at : Essential C++, Stanley B. Lippman, Addison-Wesley, ISBN: 0-201-48518-4 Accelerated C++, Andrew Koenig Barbara E. Moo, Addison-Wesley, ISBN: 0-201-70353-X They will get you programming faster than most books, which I personally find is a good thing :-) Good Luck. Si On

Re: gcc miscompiles ntohs16() inline assembly in OpenBSD 3.8

2006-04-05 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Wed, 5 Apr 2006, Otto Moerbeek wrote: This has been spotted before. The PR was closed since we do not support non-standard options to gcc, so it does not affect OpenBSD base. On the other hand, I find this interesting, since it might be an indication of other bugs lurking. Good that you

ping shows negative times

2006-04-05 Thread Toni Mueller
Hello, I have just experienced the weird situation that I see a number of pings show negative times: $ ping 172.20.10.1 PING 172.20.10.1 (172.20.10.1): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 172.20.10.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=162.004 ms 64 bytes from 172.20.10.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=-3.-995 ms 64 bytes

Re: When would you NOT use OpenBSD?

2006-04-05 Thread Joachim Schipper
On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 03:25:24PM -0700, Miles Keaton wrote: This is a serious question, for heavy users of OpenBSD in big/production/heavy-traffic situations. For years, our small company used OpenBSD for *EVERYTHING* because I personally prefer it. (We run a pretty popular

Re: OpenBSD to Cisco VPN - help needed

2006-04-05 Thread Damien Miller
On Wed, 5 Apr 2006, Karl Kopp wrote: crypto isakmp policy 10 encr 3des hash md5 authentication pre-share group 2 Last time I tried, I had to specify an explicit lifetime for the phase 1 policy here. run isakmpd -K -d, then ipsecctl -f /etc/ipsec.conf and get: 170525.073348 Default

Re: When would you NOT use OpenBSD?

2006-04-05 Thread Toni Mueller
Hello Chris, On Wed, 05.04.2006 at 04:55:39 +0200, Chris Alatakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: holding more than 30 domain names some with lot of traffic almost what is a lot of traffic? unpatched and unupdated (3.2 stable). I bet if I left it there unpatched for the next 5 years I will not

Re: bgpd originator backwards

2006-04-05 Thread tony sarendal
On 05/04/06, tony sarendal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I installed a route-collector in my test network to get a better view on things. Originator is backwards. Correction, I installed a route-collector in my openbgp network which peers with all boxes. According the route-collector all

Re: IPCP: timeout sending Config-Requests - vodafone mobile connect 3g card

2006-04-05 Thread Didier Wiroth
Oups yes ... sorry for that here it is. This chinese for me so I hope you can help me on this issue. I see you've added debug to the pppd option file, have you enabled the debugging to the logfile in syslog as well (pppd(8) explains that). Your syslogd.conf should be configured to log

Re: IPCP: timeout sending Config-Requests - vodafone mobile connect 3g card

2006-04-05 Thread Didier Wiroth
Sorry ... for previous post Here it is: Apr 5 09:30:12 nc6000 pppd[32382]: pppd 2.3.5 started by didier, uid 1000 Apr 5 09:30:15 nc6000 pppd[32382]: Serial connection established. Apr 5 09:30:16 nc6000 pppd[32382]: Using interface ppp0 Apr 5 09:30:16 nc6000 pppd[32382]: Connect: ppp0 --

IPSEC via isakmpd with identical source networks

2006-04-05 Thread Ingbert Zan
Hi, I have the problem to set up an OpenBSD 3.8 VPN Router with the following Network configuration: ___ | | 10.0.0.0/8 ---| Box 1 |__ _ |___| | | | ___ |_|OBSD | 192.168.0.0/24

Re: When would you NOT use OpenBSD?

2006-04-05 Thread Antonios Anastasiadis
well, If you are not happy with the SMP performance in FreeBSD you won't be in OpenBSD either. Also, MySQL performance is worse in OpenBSD due to the threading library used, I would suggest to wait at least until rthreads are complete and stable if you must make the switch nevertheless.

Cross compiling 3.8-stable on i386 for mac68k

2006-04-05 Thread David Diggles
I have a source tree for 3.8-stable, updated using cvsup. Have successfully used this source tree to do a 'make build' for i386, however, when I attempt the first step for cross compiling for mac68k: ( cd /usr/src; make TARGET=mac68k cross-distrib ) It hangs at the following: (cd

Re: IPSEC via isakmpd with identical source networks

2006-04-05 Thread Hans-Joerg Hoexer
On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 11:27:03AM +0200, Ingbert Zan wrote: Does anybody know how to distinguish between the two flows? you can't. Of course it would be possible to NAT the two 10/8 networks on Box 1 and 2. do that.

Bluetooth in OpenBSD

2006-04-05 Thread zoraya
I did a dmesg trying to use a bluetooth adaptor to connect to the mobile phone and use it as a modem, which I can't fully post here as the OBSD3.8 is installed in a laptop without internet access but I copied by hand the lines relating to the bluetooth adaptor and this is what is says on the

Re: OpenBSD to Cisco VPN - help needed

2006-04-05 Thread Damien Miller
On Wed, 5 Apr 2006, Karl Kopp wrote: Hi Damien, Firstly, do you think I will be able to do this with the /etc/ipsec.conf setup, or will I have to go thru all the /etc/isakmpd/* stuff? I haven't yet used ipsecctl to set up a VPN, but in theory it shouldn't matter which way you go.

Re: OpenBSD to Cisco VPN - help needed

2006-04-05 Thread Karl Kopp
Hi Damien, Firstly, do you think I will be able to do this with the /etc/ipsec.conf setup, or will I have to go thru all the /etc/isakmpd/* stuff? crypto isakmp policy 10 encr 3des hash md5 authentication pre-share group 2 Last time I tried, I had to specify an explicit lifetime

Re: GNU license files rules replacement guidelines with BSD one

2006-04-05 Thread Andrew Smith
http://www.openbsd.org/policy.html Scroll down to the section 'Permissions - the flip side' and consider the consequences of the statements in paragraph 4. This section is probably the biggest one that supports my view that GPL cannot be recinded and after initiation and that all GPL code should

Re: When would you NOT use OpenBSD?

2006-04-05 Thread Henning Brauer
* Joachim Schipper [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-04-05 10:44]: OpenBSD just isn't the fastest around actually, we are. for quite some stuff. we're not for some other stuff. -- BS Web Services, http://www.bsws.de/ OpenBSD-based Webhosting, Mail Services, Managed Servers, ... Unix is very simple, but

Re: OpenBSD to Cisco VPN - help needed

2006-04-05 Thread Hans-Joerg Hoexer
On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 05:13:36PM +1000, Karl Kopp wrote: Firstly, I thought I could just use /etc/ipsec.conf (right?) and a line like this: ike esp from 10.1.1.0/24 to 202.1.1.0/24 peer 202.1.1.30 main auth hmac-md5 enc 3des psk shhhSecret this looks correct. Additionally to the debug

Re: IPCP: timeout sending Config-Requests - vodafone mobile connect 3g card

2006-04-05 Thread Felix Kronlage
On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 09:11:25AM +, Didier Wiroth wrote: Apr 5 10:57:04 nc6000 pppd[29026]: IPCP: timeout sending Config-Requests Apr 5 10:57:04 nc6000 pppd[29026]: sent [LCP TermReq id=0x2 No network protocols running] Apr 5 10:57:07 nc6000 pppd[29026]: sent [LCP TermReq id=0x3 No

Re: bgpd originator backwards

2006-04-05 Thread tony sarendal
On 05/04/06, tony sarendal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 05/04/06, tony sarendal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I installed a route-collector in my test network to get a better view on things. Originator is backwards. Correction, I installed a route-collector in my openbgp network

Re: gcc miscompiles ntohs16() inline assembly in OpenBSD 3.8

2006-04-05 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Tue, 4 Apr 2006, Andrew Pinski wrote: On Wed, 5 Apr 2006, chefren wrote: [snip] How do you think that irritating recommendation will ever get away without debugging? By getting rid of gcc. ; Sorry could not resist that one ;-) Actually I bet ntohs16 is

Re: Bluetooth in OpenBSD

2006-04-05 Thread Lukasz Sztachanski
On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 10:36:52AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: root on wd0a rootdev=0x0 rrootdev=0x300 rawdev=0x302 ugen0 at uhub1 port 1 ugen0: Broadcom Belkin Bluetooth Device, rev 1.10/0.01 , addr2 syncing disks... ugen(4) is a generic usb driver, for devices which doesn't have any

Re: When would you NOT use OpenBSD?

2006-04-05 Thread Tor Houghton
On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 12:11:49PM +0200, Henning Brauer wrote: actually, we are. for quite some stuff. the install for one. i love the install. 8-) tor

Re: Bluetooth in OpenBSD

2006-04-05 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2006/04/05 10:36, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ugen0: Broadcom Belkin Bluetooth Device, rev 1.10/0.01 , addr2 ugen(4) says: The ugen driver provides support for all USB devices that do not have a special driver. It supports access to all parts of the device, but not in a way that is as

Re: OpenBSD to Cisco VPN - help needed

2006-04-05 Thread Karl Kopp
GOT IT :) Love it when it all falls in place :) Damiens advice of -D99 worked a treat - we saw that the quick and main auths were not playing nice so I had to add the 'quick auth hmac-md5 enc 3des' bits as well - DOH! I must say tho that /etc/ipsec.conf is MUCH easier than the old way so nice

Re: problem installing OpenBSD on LSI MegaRAID

2006-04-05 Thread David Hill
On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 01:44:22AM +0100, Stuart Henderson wrote: On 2006/04/04 20:21, David Hill wrote: Are you using floppyB, which supports RAID controllers? http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq4.html#MkInsMedia OpenBSD 3.8 (RAMDISK_CD) #794: Sat Sep 10 15:58:32 MDT 2005 So does the CD -

Re: Cross compiling 3.8-stable on i386 for mac68k

2006-04-05 Thread Martin Reindl
David Diggles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a source tree for 3.8-stable, updated using cvsup. Have successfully used this source tree to do a 'make build' for i386, however, when I attempt the first step for cross compiling for mac68k: ( cd /usr/src; make TARGET=mac68k cross-distrib )

Re: When would you NOT use OpenBSD?

2006-04-05 Thread Joachim Schipper
On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 12:11:49PM +0200, Henning Brauer wrote: * Joachim Schipper [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-04-05 10:44]: OpenBSD just isn't the fastest around actually, we are. for quite some stuff. we're not for some other stuff. Okay, that's true. Good correction. Still, for MySQL and

openbgpd test. Originator_id error followed by attr_diff: equal attributes encountered

2006-04-05 Thread tony sarendal
After a jug of coffee I tried being a bit more methodical. I took the entire network down and brought up one router at a time. I monitored the prefix 192.168.30.0/24 from a route-collector sitting on 192.168.30.10, the first router brought online was ar213-FRA which has 192.168.30.0/24 as

Re: openbgpd test. Originator_id error followed by attr_diff: equal attributes encountered

2006-04-05 Thread tony sarendal
On 05/04/06, tony sarendal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After a jug of coffee I tried being a bit more methodical. I took the entire network down and brought up one router at a time. I monitored the prefix 192.168.30.0/24 from a route-collector sitting on 192.168.30.10, the first router

Re: bgpd originator backwards

2006-04-05 Thread Claudio Jeker
On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 08:45:22AM +0100, tony sarendal wrote: I installed a route-collector in my test network to get a better view on things. Originator is backwards. /Tony quagga-bgpd# sh ip bgp 192.168.10.0 BGP routing table entry for 192.168.10.0/24 Paths: (11 available, best #2,

Re: When would you NOT use OpenBSD?

2006-04-05 Thread Henning Brauer
* Joachim Schipper [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-04-05 13:22]: On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 12:11:49PM +0200, Henning Brauer wrote: * Joachim Schipper [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-04-05 10:44]: OpenBSD just isn't the fastest around actually, we are. for quite some stuff. we're not for some other

Re: When would you NOT use OpenBSD?

2006-04-05 Thread Marco Peereboom
Additionally, hardware support is not as good as from, say, Linux. Or even FreeBSD. And if the hardware is not supported, an OpenBSD box doesn't do a whole lot of good. Really? So having a crappy or blobbed driver is better than having nothing? I disagree vehemently . Give me something that

Re: openbgpd test. Originator_id error followed by attr_diff: equal attributes encountered

2006-04-05 Thread Claudio Jeker
On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 12:30:56PM +0100, tony sarendal wrote: On 05/04/06, tony sarendal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... On a side note, at this stage I did: cr211-FRA# bgpctl reload reload request sent. cr211-FRA# on the neighbor cr212-FRA I get this: Apr 5 13:13:39 cr212-FRA

Re: openbgpd test. Originator_id error followed by attr_diff: equal attributes encountered

2006-04-05 Thread tony sarendal
On 05/04/06, Claudio Jeker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 12:30:56PM +0100, tony sarendal wrote: On 05/04/06, tony sarendal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... On a side note, at this stage I did: cr211-FRA# bgpctl reload reload request sent. cr211-FRA# on

Re: When would you NOT use OpenBSD?

2006-04-05 Thread Jason Dixon
On Apr 5, 2006, at 8:04 AM, Marco Peereboom wrote: Additionally, hardware support is not as good as from, say, Linux. Or even FreeBSD. And if the hardware is not supported, an OpenBSD box doesn't do a whole lot of good. Really? So having a crappy or blobbed driver is better than having

Re: bgpd originator backwards

2006-04-05 Thread tony sarendal
On 05/04/06, Claudio Jeker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 08:45:22AM +0100, tony sarendal wrote: I installed a route-collector in my test network to get a better view on things. Originator is backwards. /Tony quagga-bgpd# sh ip bgp 192.168.10.0 BGP routing table

Re: First OpenBSD 3.9 CD in Europe

2006-04-05 Thread Oliver Peter
Hope this is OK to place this commercial: Watch this nice and complete OpenBSD fan set from ixsoft: http://www.ixsoft.de/cgi-bin/web_store.cgi?ref=Products/de/OOOB0390BU.html -- Oliver Peter, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], ICQ# 113969174 Worker bees can leave. Even drones can fly away. The Queen is

Re: openbgpd test. Originator_id error followed by attr_diff: equal attributes encountered

2006-04-05 Thread Claudio Jeker
On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 01:19:44PM +0100, tony sarendal wrote: On 05/04/06, Claudio Jeker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 12:30:56PM +0100, tony sarendal wrote: On 05/04/06, tony sarendal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... On a side note, at this stage I did:

Bluetooth in OpenBSD

2006-04-05 Thread Andrew Smith
The Broadcom Blutonium chipset is a special case. It requires a firmware download for the device to function as a Bluetooth device. ubt currently does not support the download but will recognise the adaptor once the firmware is downloaded. I do have a preliminary patch set that I created (it's a

Re: openbgpd test. Originator_id error followed by attr_diff: equal attributes encountered

2006-04-05 Thread tony sarendal
On 05/04/06, Claudio Jeker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 01:19:44PM +0100, tony sarendal wrote: On 05/04/06, Claudio Jeker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 12:30:56PM +0100, tony sarendal wrote: On 05/04/06, tony sarendal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: openbgpd test. Originator_id error followed by attr_diff: equal attributes encountered

2006-04-05 Thread tony sarendal
On 05/04/06, tony sarendal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 05/04/06, Claudio Jeker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 01:19:44PM +0100, tony sarendal wrote: On 05/04/06, Claudio Jeker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 12:30:56PM +0100, tony sarendal

Re: C++ textbooks: recommendations?

2006-04-05 Thread Reid Nichol
I taught from C++ How to Program by Deitel Deitel and found it to be a good book. Anything from O'Reilly is typically gold. As has been mentioned, there is also the book written by the creator of the language. All in all, I recommend going to a book store and looking through the suggested

Re: ping shows negative times

2006-04-05 Thread mickey
On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 10:12:33AM +0200, Toni Mueller wrote: Hello, re I have just experienced the weird situation that I see a number of pings show negative times: smp has issues wrt gettimeofday()... $ ping 172.20.10.1 PING 172.20.10.1 (172.20.10.1): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from

MSI MS-6823 USB WLAN

2006-04-05 Thread idzuwan
Hello I'm trying to build an AP with OpenBSD as for now I only have my MSI USB WLAN you can see the products info here - http://www.msicomputer.com/product/detail_spec/product_detail.asp?model=UB11B but when I plug the usb to my openbsd it only detect is as generic usb device (ugenc0) which

Re: problem installing OpenBSD on LSI MegaRAID

2006-04-05 Thread Smith
David Hill wrote: On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 01:44:22AM +0100, Stuart Henderson wrote: On 2006/04/04 20:21, David Hill wrote: Are you using floppyB, which supports RAID controllers? http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq4.html#MkInsMedia OpenBSD 3.8 (RAMDISK_CD) #794: Sat Sep 10 15:58:32

Re: GNU license files rules replacement guidelines with BSD one

2006-04-05 Thread Adam
On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 11:01:22 +0100 Andrew Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.openbsd.org/policy.html Scroll down to the section 'Permissions - the flip side' and consider the consequences of the statements in paragraph 4. This section is probably the biggest one that supports my

Re: When would you NOT use OpenBSD?

2006-04-05 Thread Joachim Schipper
On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 07:04:45AM -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote: Additionally, hardware support is not as good as from, say, Linux. Or even FreeBSD. And if the hardware is not supported, an OpenBSD box doesn't do a whole lot of good. Really? So having a crappy or blobbed driver is better

Re: GNU license files rules replacement guidelines with BSD one

2006-04-05 Thread Darrin Chandler
Andrew Smith wrote: http://www.openbsd.org/policy.html Scroll down to the section 'Permissions - the flip side' and consider the consequences of the statements in paragraph 4. This section is probably the biggest one that supports my view that GPL cannot be recinded and after initiation and

Re: Support for new Atheros chips?

2006-04-05 Thread Nick Guenther
On 4/5/06, Alexander Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nick Guenther wrote: The AR5212 cards are still buggy (for example, mine doesn't work). I don't know what that means for the 5213 ones, but it's probably not good. On the other hand, I know that the developers have been really pushing on

Re: MSI MS-6823 USB WLAN

2006-04-05 Thread Nick Guenther
On 4/5/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello I'm trying to build an AP with OpenBSD as for now I only have my MSI USB WLAN you can see the products info here - http://www.msicomputer.com/product/detail_spec/product_detail.asp?model=UB11B but when I plug the usb to my openbsd

Re: GNU license files rules replacement guidelines with BSD one

2006-04-05 Thread Arnaud Bergeron
On 4/5/06, Andrew Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.openbsd.org/policy.html Scroll down to the section 'Permissions - the flip side' and consider the consequences of the statements in paragraph 4. This section is probably the biggest one that supports my view that GPL cannot be

Re: When would you NOT use OpenBSD?

2006-04-05 Thread David T Harris
Actually, I agree. I originally had OpenBSD 3.6 installed on an i386 AT box with a SoundBlaster sound card. The sound quality was rather soft, until I pumped the audio to max (and I'm not hard of hearing). However, the dvd drive worked perfectly under mplayer. Having, never tried slackware, I

Re: When would you NOT use OpenBSD?

2006-04-05 Thread Marco Peereboom
I'm not saying that having a blobbed driver in-tree would be an improvement - however, a machine that runs is likely to be an improvement over one that doesn't, at least for a while (because, as pointed out, bugs like blobs). bzzzt *wrong* There is a whole market out there for this. It's

Re: MSI MS-6823 USB WLAN

2006-04-05 Thread Sevan / Venture37
According to this site: http://broadcom.rapla.net/ it uses a Broadcom chipset, its not supported. http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

Re: MSI MS-6823 USB WLAN

2006-04-05 Thread idzuwan
Sevan / Venture37 wrote: According to this site: http://broadcom.rapla.net/ it uses a Broadcom chipset, its not supported. http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ I guess need to find a new one then too bad it will not work with openbsd

Re: When would you NOT use OpenBSD?

2006-04-05 Thread Chris 'Xenon' Hanson
I run OpenBSD for almost anything that is exposed to insecure digital spaces, like the Internet, that needs to be seriously hardened. I run and Linux (or god forbid, Windows) on servers that can be a little soft because they are only exposed to trusted access. My company's main websites

min12xxw printer driver: greetings from the land that sensible hardware design forgot

2006-04-05 Thread Blair Sadewitz
http://www.hinterbergen.de/mala/min12xxw/ This is a userland driver (for cups, etc.) for Minolta winprinters, e.g. 1350W. In theory it should work, but in practice I always get device busy errors. I realize how such hardware fits in with the OpenBSD stance on proprietary hardware, however given

Re: pf; XP firewall; and MS Remote Desktop

2006-04-05 Thread Don Boling
On 4/5/06, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a user that is on WinXP. She uses Microsoft's Remote Desktop to connect to a remote server (TCP port 3389). I have installed OpenBSD 3.8 to act as firewall for the office. She complains of serious intermittent latency problems for this

Paintings at www.montecatini.cl Lo Eterno-Lo EfĂ­mero Marzo 2006

2006-04-05 Thread Galeria de Arte Virtual Montecatini
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Re: When would you NOT use OpenBSD?

2006-04-05 Thread Daniel Ouellet
Antonios Anastasiadis wrote: well, If you are not happy with the SMP performance in FreeBSD you won't be in OpenBSD either. Also, MySQL performance is worse in OpenBSD due to the threading library used, I would suggest to wait at least until rthreads are complete and stable if you must make the

Re: GNU license files rules replacement guidelines with BSD one

2006-04-05 Thread Daniel Ouellet
Please guys, like I put in my original questions. Quote I don't want this to turn into a flame war however. If that's where it might be going, don't answer. Quote / Lets stick to the essence of the question. So far I got one good answer from Ted. Not sure yet that I fully understand it, or

Re: When would you NOT use OpenBSD?

2006-04-05 Thread Donald J. Ankney
On Apr 5, 2006, at 11:55 AM, Daniel Ouellet wrote: I am of the opinion like many here that use what's for the job This is something that can't be stressed enough -- always use the tool that's most appropriate for the job. OpenBSD can do everything other operating systems do. It's where I

Recurring donations using paypal

2006-04-05 Thread Marco Peereboom
Just wanted to let everyone know that I added monthly recurring donations to the list of donation methods. Go sign up at: http://www.openbsd.org/donations.html http://www.openssh.org/donations.html If it doesn't show up wait a little longer before all changes prorogate to mirrors.

Re: GNU license files rules replacement guidelines with BSD one

2006-04-05 Thread Donald J. Ankney
On Apr 5, 2006, at 12:11 PM, Daniel Ouellet wrote: If I see a GNU software that I like and the structure of it makes sense, or I think it makes sense, but I don't want to correct the bugs in it because it will stay under GNU. At what point, or how can it be replace by a BSD one where

Re: When would you NOT use OpenBSD?

2006-04-05 Thread Daniel Ouellet
I'm not saying that having a blobbed driver in-tree would be an improvement - however, a machine that runs is likely to be an improvement over one that doesn't, at least for a while (because, as pointed out, bugs like blobs). I prefer looking at what's supported first and asked questions on the

Re: GNU license files rules replacement guidelines with BSD one

2006-04-05 Thread Arnaud Bergeron
On 4/5/06, Daniel Ouellet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Back to the original topic, If what you are talking about is rather if you can replace some GPL file by an equivalent one but BSD licensed file, the answer is yes (as long as you don't copy-paste). But what does that really mean. It

Re: GNU license files rules replacement guidelines with BSD one

2006-04-05 Thread Dave Anderson
** Reply to message from Daniel Ouellet [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Wed, 05 Apr 2006 15:25:52 -0400 Back to the original topic, If what you are talking about is rather if you can replace some GPL file by an equivalent one but BSD licensed file, the answer is yes (as long as you don't copy-paste).

Re: When would you NOT use OpenBSD?

2006-04-05 Thread Daniel Ouellet
Donald J. Ankney wrote: Vendor support is a sometimes criteria. Well, if the Vendor support is so critical, then you will be better served with OpenBSD for what they provide in their default system and that's second to none! By far! Anytime I had any problem that was specific to

Re: When would you NOT use OpenBSD?

2006-04-05 Thread Tony
Daniel Ouellet wrote: I'm not saying that having a blobbed driver in-tree would be an improvement - however, a machine that runs is likely to be an improvement over one that doesn't, at least for a while (because, as pointed out, bugs like blobs). I prefer looking at what's supported first

Re: GNU license files rules replacement guidelines with BSD one

2006-04-05 Thread Daniel Ouellet
Arnaud Bergeron wrote: For example, if you have a function that takes a string argument and reverse the characters in it under GPL. You take what it does (reverse character in a string) and re-implement it with your own code. You can keep the same interface to the function (meaning name and

Re: When would you NOT use OpenBSD?

2006-04-05 Thread Daniel Ouellet
As to the blobbed drivers, is it better to fail early when there are options or later after you have committed? Makes a good open question. Better not to run at all if it is wrong and not design properly. This way, you don't waist many days trying to figure it out, or worst, loose very

Re: Recurring donations using paypal

2006-04-05 Thread Ryan Flannery
On Apr 5, 2006, at 3:41 PM, Marco Peereboom wrote: Just wanted to let everyone know that I added monthly recurring donations to the list of donation methods. Go sign up at: http://www.openbsd.org/donations.html http://www.openssh.org/donations.html If it doesn't show up wait a little longer

Re: GNU license files rules replacement guidelines with BSD one

2006-04-05 Thread Constantine A. Murenin
On 05/04/06, Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 00:15:02 +0100 Andrew Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Linus faces this issue with future versions of Linux, he doesn't like GPL 3 and won't accept it but he can't take GPL 2 off Linux kernel since it is an evolving project and

Re: When would you NOT use OpenBSD?

2006-04-05 Thread Dan
Daniel Ouellet wrote: Donald J. Ankney wrote: Vendor support is a sometimes criteria. Well, if the Vendor support is so critical, then you will be better served with OpenBSD for what they provide in their default system and that's second to none! By far! snip Again do as you see

Re: When would you NOT use OpenBSD?

2006-04-05 Thread Donald J. Ankney
On Apr 5, 2006, at 1:01 PM, Daniel Ouellet wrote: Donald J. Ankney wrote: Vendor support is a sometimes criteria. Well, if the Vendor support is so critical, then you will be better served with OpenBSD for what they provide in their default system and that's second to none! By far!

Re: pf; XP firewall; and MS Remote Desktop

2006-04-05 Thread Peter
--- Don Boling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/5/06, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a user that is on WinXP. She uses Microsoft's Remote Desktop to connect to a remote server (TCP port 3389). I have installed OpenBSD 3.8 to act as firewall for the office. She complains of serious

Re: GNU license files rules replacement guidelines with BSD one

2006-04-05 Thread Constantine A. Murenin
On 05/04/06, Daniel Ouellet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It means that a file with only #include statements is hardly copyrightable and can be copied at will. Can it really? I guess if in the end you make it KNF compliant and the order of the various includes are changed, but are the exact same

Re: GNU license files rules replacement guidelines with BSD one

2006-04-05 Thread Constantine A. Murenin
If you want a good insight on the issue of legal implications of creating derivative/non-derivative works with functionality that is present in existing implementations, I suggest that you follow the SCO vs. Linux lawsuit, the arguments around the issue are very relevant to your question. For

Re: openbsd and the money [non-profit]

2006-04-05 Thread Benjamin Collins
On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 12:00:56PM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote: There are very good reasons for not becoming a non-profit. Accounting wise it would NOT help the project. Non-profits with such a small amount of money are severely limited in what they can do. This question has been answered at

Re: When would you NOT use OpenBSD?

2006-04-05 Thread Daniel Ouellet
Dan wrote: While I generally agree with most of what Daniel says, I have to disagree here. I believe Donald's approach is correct...the right tool for the job. Sometimes the ability to call technical support for a product is critical. Just like I said. Yes use the right tools for the job.

Re: problem installing OpenBSD on LSI MegaRAID

2006-04-05 Thread Smith
Marco Peereboom wrote: No it does not. It specifies very clearly which ones are supported. I bet you are looking at the FAQ as-of 3.9. On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 08:17:44AM -0700, Smith wrote: David Hill wrote: On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 01:44:22AM +0100, Stuart Henderson wrote:

Re: When would you NOT use OpenBSD?

2006-04-05 Thread Brian
--- Daniel Ouellet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, the argument of Vendor support is a sometimes criteria. really doesn't mean ANYTHING to me anymore and real life example proved it many times over! Paid vendor support is a feel good thing like insurance. When it comes time for them to help

ulimit, maxproc/openfiles limits

2006-04-05 Thread Jonathan Glaschke
Hello. I recently saw this article: http://networkpenetration.com/fd.html It describes how to DoS OpenBSD by using all available file descriptors, this is done by serveral processes. It can't be done with only one process, because of the openfiles limit. But thats no problem - a user of the

Re: When would you NOT use OpenBSD?

2006-04-05 Thread Hannah Schroeter
Hi! On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 05:00:23PM -0400, Dan wrote: [...] With a vendor (Nortel) I can leverage our existing relationship and get things done. I've had issues get escalated to Senior VP level at Nortel*that* gets things done. Nortel has sent engineers on site for some very strange

kmplayer no longer in packages

2006-04-05 Thread Dave Feustel
I see that kde kmplayer was dropped from i386 packages as of 3.7. Does anyone remember why that happened? Is there any way now to play mjpeg files from within Konqueror? Thanks, Dave Feustel -- Lose, v., experience a loss, get rid of, lose the weight Loose, adj., not tight, let go, free, loose

Re: When would you NOT use OpenBSD?

2006-04-05 Thread Chris 'Xenon' Hanson
Hannah Schroeter wrote: IIRC there're consultants offering commercial services around OpenBSD, too. So you could've hired one to fix the Broadcom problem of yours, just like you paid for Nortel's on-site troubleshooting. Not to inflame the issue, but this isn't as solid of an argument as it

Re: When would you NOT use OpenBSD?

2006-04-05 Thread Daniel Ouellet
Donald J. Ankney wrote: The cheapest solution I could find for a fibre-channel SAN was Apple's XSAN. Fine, but wasn't your requirements here the cheapest solutions, not the platform on witch it run? I don't know that, only you do. But may be there was and is a very nice solutions working on

Re: When would you NOT use OpenBSD?

2006-04-05 Thread Wijnand Wiersma
On 4/5/06, Henning Brauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sick and tired of this OpenBSD doesn't perform well FUD. It is nothing but FUD or over-generalization. Well, I don't entirely agree. At some tasks OpenBSD feels sluggish, X performs much slower for example then on *sigh* Linux *sigh*. But

Re: problem installing OpenBSD on LSI MegaRAID

2006-04-05 Thread Stuart Henderson
I called the vendor who created the server and they suggested that I move the LSI card from the pci-express slot to the regular pci slot. How the $DEITY are you going to do that - with a hacksaw? Or do you mean PCI-X...

Re: problem installing OpenBSD on LSI MegaRAID

2006-04-05 Thread Smith
Stuart Henderson wrote: I called the vendor who created the server and they suggested that I move the LSI card from the pci-express slot to the regular pci slot. How the $DEITY are you going to do that - with a hacksaw? Or do you mean PCI-X... The card will fit both slots. Since

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