Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?

2008-10-30 Thread William Boshuck
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 03:37:12PM -0400, Heimdall Imbert wrote: I understand what you mean. No, it seems from your response that you do not. The mailing lists are at best secondary sources, for particular and possibly unusual difficulties that you cannot resolve by reading the primary

Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?

2008-10-29 Thread Artur Grabowski
Heimdall Imbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hahaha, I wanted to say the same thing but figured that this wouldn't be an appropriate venue for a discussion of this nature. But since someone else brought it up, I figure I might as well add my two cents. I currently run Debian and Windows XP on

Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?

2008-10-28 Thread Neko
Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ? To: Aram HAVARNEANU [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: misc@openbsd.org Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 6:29 AM Am 27.10.2008 um 10:49 schrieb Aram HAVARNEANU: I have been using it extensively for several years (since it first appeared) on about ~10

Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?

2008-10-28 Thread Jonathan Schleifer
Am 28.10.2008 um 08:49 schrieb Neko: IF YOU took time to read PROPERLY Jonathan, 1.) Top posting is evil. 2.) Stop using caps all the time. 3.) I wasn't replying to your post. You are not the only person discussing on this list. 4.) If YOU took the time to read PROPERLY Neko, to which post it

Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?

2008-10-28 Thread Artur Grabowski
Neko [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: its shows that some poor trolls here dont own ultraportables with no external drives, and use more than one os alternative. When your machine is a tool, not a toy, you run one operating system, whichever that might be. //art

Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?

2008-10-28 Thread Anton Parol
Neko [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: its shows that some poor trolls here dont own ultraportables with no external drives, and use more than one os alternative. When your machine is a tool, not a toy, you run one operating system, whichever that might be. //art Art, I have a machine,

Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?

2008-10-28 Thread Heimdall Imbert
Forgive me for stating the obvious but insulting members of misc@ is not going to get you closer to your goal, Neko. I'm sure that nobody enjoys receiving multiple emails about this issue. So please, for the sake of those of us who don't want to read any more about this situation, let the issue

Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?

2008-10-28 Thread Heimdall Imbert
Hahaha, I wanted to say the same thing but figured that this wouldn't be an appropriate venue for a discussion of this nature. But since someone else brought it up, I figure I might as well add my two cents. I currently run Debian and Windows XP on my laptop and I use it as a learning tool

Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?

2008-10-28 Thread Bryan Irvine
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 12:57 AM, Denis Doroshenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Matthew Weigel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neko wrote: this is the future. people use multiple os on their machine That's actually the past... multibooting seemed way more popular ten

Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?

2008-10-28 Thread William Boshuck
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 12:31:14PM -0400, Heimdall Imbert wrote: Hahaha, I wanted to say the same thing but figured that this wouldn't be an appropriate venue for a discussion of this nature. But since someone else brought it up, I figure I might as well add my two cents. I currently run

Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?

2008-10-28 Thread Heimdall Imbert
I understand what you mean. I guess I should have chosen a better word. And my issue isn't that I don't read (I read as much as I can on user forums, I subscribe and read to Debian and OpenBSD mailing distributions and tinker with what I can). Unfortunately, it feels as if some of the things

Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?

2008-10-27 Thread Simon Connah
On 27 Oct 2008, at 00:00, Neko wrote: now as for backwards bsd. why does freebsd write to ntfs? why does osx write to ntfs.. seems to me that is more some obstination done not to support it. As far as Mac OS X goes it does not support writing without a) a commercial package or b) a not

Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?

2008-10-27 Thread Jona Joachim
On 2008-10-27, Neko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: its shows that some poor trolls here dont own ultraportables with no external drives, and use more than one os alternative. i pass data from bsd to fat 32 so in m$ its then copy onto ntfs, i have 1 disk - 8 os, nothing is being done , but more

Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?

2008-10-27 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Sunday 26 October 2008, Neko wrote: its shows that some poor trolls here dont own ultraportables with no external drives, and use more than one os alternative. i pass data from bsd to fat 32 so in m$ its then copy onto ntfs, i have 1 disk - 8 os, nothing is being done , but more and more

Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?

2008-10-27 Thread Alexey Suslikov
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 1:01 AM, J.C. Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 26 October 2008, Paul de Weerd wrote: On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 09:51:38PM +0200, Alexey Suslikov wrote: | Paul de Weerd wrote: | On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 12:01:40PM -0700, Chris Kuethe wrote: | | On Sun, Oct 26,

Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?

2008-10-27 Thread Alexey Suslikov
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 11:21 PM, dermiste [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 9:23 PM, Alexey Suslikov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Paul de Weerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 09:51:38PM +0200, Alexey Suslikov wrote: | Paul de

Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?

2008-10-27 Thread Aram HAVARNEANU
And there is the http://www.fs-driver.org/ - also free and do read/write on ext2 for Windows. Crashed my ext2 data partition more than once, but I could always recover it with e2fsck, but the files in / all lost their names then. However, the stuff in sub directories still had names. So

Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?

2008-10-27 Thread Jonathan Schleifer
Am 27.10.2008 um 10:49 schrieb Aram HAVARNEANU: I have been using it extensively for several years (since it first appeared) on about ~10 systems and never had a single problem with it. Is your bug reproducible? Did you fill a bug report? It was reproducable, as it seemed to always happen

Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?

2008-10-26 Thread Matthew Weigel
Neko wrote: this is the future. people use multiple os on their machine That's actually the past... multibooting seemed way more popular ten years ago than now. I'm going to go out on a limb here, and say that most people - even if their machine is set up to boot multiple systems - really just

Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?

2008-10-26 Thread Denis Doroshenko
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Matthew Weigel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neko wrote: this is the future. people use multiple os on their machine That's actually the past... multibooting seemed way more popular ten years ago than now. I'm going to go out on a limb here, and say that most

Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?

2008-10-26 Thread James
Jonathan Schleifer js-openbsd-misc at webkeks.org writes: Not only that it is GPL, it also needs fuse. AFAIK, there is no fuse for OpenBSD yet. And it's not running in the kernel space anyway, so why the hell merge it? -- Jonathan Anyone looking at/working on porting the NetBSD

Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?

2008-10-26 Thread William Boshuck
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 09:57:04AM +0200, Denis Doroshenko wrote: On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Matthew Weigel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neko wrote: this is the future. people use multiple os on their machine That's actually the past... multibooting seemed way more popular ten years

Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?

2008-10-26 Thread bofh
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 3:57 AM, Denis Doroshenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: by anyone), but there is a serious (these days it is) limitation like limited maximal size of a file like 2G (must be 2^31-1 perhaps). actually NTFS seems the *only* sufficiently capable FS within the Microsoft products

Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?

2008-10-26 Thread Vadim Zhukov
On 26 October 2008 c. 17:34:07 bofh wrote: On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 3:57 AM, Denis Doroshenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: by anyone), but there is a serious (these days it is) limitation like limited maximal size of a file like 2G (must be 2^31-1 perhaps). actually NTFS seems the *only*

Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?

2008-10-26 Thread Ted Unangst
If you need to write to ntfs, you're doing it wrong. On Oct 25, 2008, at 9:12 PM, Neko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so there can be an end to this retard cant write on the file system bs http://www.ntfs-3g.org/ so will it be merged in the next obsd release ? this is the future. people use

Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?

2008-10-26 Thread Matthew Weigel
Denis Doroshenko wrote: have you done any analysis of statistical data in order to say so? otherwise all those way more popular, most people it is a big IYHO. William Boshuck has the measure of my response to that. On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Matthew Weigel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On

Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?

2008-10-26 Thread Chris Kuethe
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Matthew Weigel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, (2^32)-1, or 4GB, is the max size per file (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314463). I can see that being a problem if you're trying to run a database off of your thumb drive, but otherwise... can you give

Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?

2008-10-26 Thread Paul de Weerd
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 12:01:40PM -0700, Chris Kuethe wrote: | On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Matthew Weigel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Actually, (2^32)-1, or 4GB, is the max size per file | (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314463). I can see that being a problem if | you're trying to run

Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?

2008-10-26 Thread Jonathan Schleifer
Matthew Weigel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, (2^32)-1, or 4GB, is the max size per file (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314463). I can see that being a problem if you're trying to run a database off of your thumb drive, but otherwise... can you give examples of files that you (or

Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?

2008-10-26 Thread Alexey Suslikov
Paul de Weerd wrote: On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 12:01:40PM -0700, Chris Kuethe wrote: | On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Matthew Weigel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Actually, (2^32)-1, or 4GB, is the max size per file | (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314463). I can see that being a problem

Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?

2008-10-26 Thread Jonathan Schleifer
Alexey Suslikov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And there is the http://www.fs-driver.org/ - also free and do read/write on ext2 for Windows. Crashed my ext2 data partition more than once, but I could always recover it with e2fsck, but the files in / all lost their names then. However, the stuff in

Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?

2008-10-26 Thread Paul de Weerd
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 09:51:38PM +0200, Alexey Suslikov wrote: | Paul de Weerd wrote: | | On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 12:01:40PM -0700, Chris Kuethe wrote: | | On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Matthew Weigel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | Actually, (2^32)-1, or 4GB, is the max size per file |

Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?

2008-10-26 Thread Alexey Suslikov
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 10:11 PM, Jonathan Schleifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexey Suslikov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And there is the http://www.fs-driver.org/ - also free and do read/write on ext2 for Windows. Crashed my ext2 data partition more than once, but I could always recover it

Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?

2008-10-26 Thread Jonathan Schleifer
Alexey Suslikov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I crashed many FAT32 partitions. NTFS is kinda complex to crash but, as discussed above, it is hard to access in full-blown read/write mode from non-Windows. Did you crash yoru FAT32 partitions on a regular basis? The ext2 crashed every 2 - 4 weeks.

Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?

2008-10-26 Thread Alexey Suslikov
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Paul de Weerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 09:51:38PM +0200, Alexey Suslikov wrote: | Paul de Weerd wrote: | | On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 12:01:40PM -0700, Chris Kuethe wrote: | | On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Matthew Weigel [EMAIL

Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?

2008-10-26 Thread Alexey Suslikov
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Jonathan Schleifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexey Suslikov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I crashed many FAT32 partitions. NTFS is kinda complex to crash but, as discussed above, it is hard to access in full-blown read/write mode from non-Windows. Did you crash

Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?

2008-10-26 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Sunday 26 October 2008, Paul de Weerd wrote: On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 09:51:38PM +0200, Alexey Suslikov wrote: | Paul de Weerd wrote: | On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 12:01:40PM -0700, Chris Kuethe wrote: | | On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Matthew Weigel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | |

Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?

2008-10-26 Thread Neko
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Matthew Weigel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ? To: OpenBSD misc@openbsd.org Date: Sunday, October 26, 2008, 3:10 AM Neko wrote: this is the future. people use multiple os on their machine That's

Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?

2008-10-26 Thread Neko
done. but shure a color-ls.pkg is more important if you ask me, SARCASTIC neko --- On Sun, 10/26/08, Ted Unangst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Ted Unangst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?

2008-10-26 Thread Matthew Weigel
Neko wrote: somhow here , most people i know use 4 os, dos/ms/lin/bsd OK, I'm genuinely curious: why do you run DOS on a machine that you also run Windows on? Why do you run Linux and OpenBSD on the same machine? oddly enough freebsd / osx have compatibility by default. but they wouldnt

Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?

2008-10-26 Thread bofh
On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 8:00 PM, Neko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: shure im doing it wrong , because nothing is being done. but shure a color-ls.pkg is more important if you ask me, SARCASTIC So, what I'm seeing is that you're now being sarcastic because you want something that is not currently

Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?

2008-10-25 Thread Rod Whitworth
On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 18:12:57 -0700 (PDT), Neko wrote: so there can be an end to this retard cant write on the file system bs http://www.ntfs-3g.org/ so will it be merged in the next obsd release ? this is the future. people use multiple os on their machine, not just vm , they will local

Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?

2008-10-25 Thread Jonathan Schleifer
Am 26.10.2008 um 04:05 schrieb Rod Whitworth: On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 18:12:57 -0700 (PDT), Neko wrote: so there can be an end to this retard cant write on the file system bs http://www.ntfs-3g.org/ so will it be merged in the next obsd release ? this is the future. people use multiple os

Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?

2008-10-25 Thread Damien Miller
no On Sat, 25 Oct 2008, Neko wrote: so there can be an end to this retard cant write on the file system bs http://www.ntfs-3g.org/ so will it be merged in the next obsd release ? this is the future. people use multiple os on their machine, not just vm , they will local install too, so

Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?

2008-10-25 Thread Chris Zakelj
Neko wrote: so there can be an end to this retard cant write on the file system bs http://www.ntfs-3g.org/ so will it be merged in the next obsd release ? this is the future. people use multiple os on their machine, not just vm , they will local install too, so action should be taken to have