Re: Could someone recommend me to me a good AMD Radeon card for 2d?

2014-04-04 Thread Ted Unangst
On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 01:50, guitarfreak wrote: Hello all, I was wondering if I could get some recommendations on what the best fully supported (by current/impending 5.5 release) AMD Radeon video card is? I'm primarily interested in watching HD video,but 3d acceleration is always nice

Re: OpenBSD Website, multilanguage faq

2014-04-04 Thread Jan Stary
Volby do evropského parlamentu se blíží. Můžeme zvolit jednoho z evropských developerů - ten by pak po každém commitu navrhl celý kód jako legislativu. Parlament by pak text tohoto návrhu přeložil do všech evropských jazyků.

Keeping OpenBSD installation clean

2014-04-04 Thread Denis Fondras
Hello all, I am using OpenBSD to test multiple softwares of any kind (that might become ports in the future) and I get to install many dependencies and my system becomes rotten and bloated with unused libraries and chunks pretty fast. So I end up reinstalling the system more often than I can

mysql sock

2014-04-04 Thread Stéphane Guedon
Hello I wonder something about my mysql socket... Mainly, my mysql server is used by my webserver (nginx) which is chrooted. So I link the mysql socket from /var/run/mysql/mysql.sock to /var/www/var/run/mysql/mysql.sock is there a way to automate this ? I think of a small command line to

Re: mysql sock

2014-04-04 Thread Antoine Jacoutot
On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 10:22:54PM +0200, Stéphane Guedon wrote: Hello I wonder something about my mysql socket... Mainly, my mysql server is used by my webserver (nginx) which is chrooted. So I link the mysql socket from /var/run/mysql/mysql.sock to /var/www/var/run/mysql/mysql.sock

Re: Keeping OpenBSD installation clean

2014-04-04 Thread Jan Stary
On Apr 04 08:29:11, open...@ledeuns.net wrote: Hello all, I am using OpenBSD to test multiple softwares of any kind (that might become ports in the future) and I get to install many dependencies and my system becomes rotten and bloated with unused libraries and chunks pretty fast. So I end

Re: Only two holes in a heck of a long time, but why?

2014-04-04 Thread Jan Stary
On Apr 04 04:04:47, yellowgoldm...@gmail.com wrote: As we all know on the front page of OpenBSD it says Only two remote holes in the default install, in a heck of a long time. I don't understand why this is such a big deal. Look at the history of other systems and their remote holes. Don't you

Re: Keeping OpenBSD installation clean

2014-04-04 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2014-04-04, Denis Fondras open...@ledeuns.net wrote: Hello all, I am using OpenBSD to test multiple softwares of any kind (that might become ports in the future) and I get to install many dependencies and my system becomes rotten and bloated with unused libraries and chunks pretty fast.

Re: Only two holes in a heck of a long time, but why?

2014-04-04 Thread Eric Furman
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014, at 01:47 AM, Martin Braun wrote: The particular issue didn't compromise the web server it only compromised the web application, but yes that made me look deeper into operating systems and security. I even tested FreeBSD Jails, but lets not go there. I used OpenBSD back

Re: OpenBSD Website, multilanguage faq

2014-04-04 Thread Jack Woehr
I would volunteer to translate the FAQ into Bazgelootz, a language my wife and daughter and I made up over 25 years around the dinner table, but they don't use OpenBSD. -- Jack Woehr # We commonly say we have no time when, Box 51, Golden CO 80402 # of course, we have all that

Re: antiviruses executable on OpenBSD

2014-04-04 Thread Jiri B
Unfortunatelly both Czech/Slovak antiviruses - Eset, AVG, support Linux or FreeBSD. Maybe m:tier could propose to antivirus companies some kind of cooperation (testing, troubleshooting, boxes for development). If so, it would be great. Maybe just OpenBSD mail server admins should just push

Re: OpenBSD Website, multilanguage faq

2014-04-04 Thread Miod Vallat
I would volunteer to translate the FAQ into Bazgelootz, a language my wife and daughter and I made up over 25 years around the dinner table, but they don't use OpenBSD. Would your translation have been in Traditional Bazgelootz, or in Simplified Bazgelootz? The former could be useful to get,

Re: antiviruses executable on OpenBSD

2014-04-04 Thread Eric Furman
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014, at 03:41 AM, Jiri B wrote: Unfortunatelly both Czech/Slovak antiviruses - Eset, AVG, support Linux or FreeBSD. Maybe m:tier could propose to antivirus companies some kind of cooperation (testing, troubleshooting, boxes for development). If so, it would be great.

Re: Only two holes in a heck of a long time, but why?

2014-04-04 Thread bofh
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 3:13 AM, Eric Furman ericfur...@fastmail.net wrote: On Fri, Apr 4, 2014, at 01:47 AM, Martin Braun wrote: I used OpenBSD back in the 3.x days, but eventually began using Debian because it was much easier to maintain - yes, I compromissed quality over convinience.

Re: Only two holes in a heck of a long time, but why?

2014-04-04 Thread Andy
Hahahahahahahahahaha.. Reaallly!!! :) You should have sent this a couple of days ago as an April fools, I genuinly thought it was at first. Anyway it seems like enough people have already replied so I won't add any more. Just had to reply because this geuninly made me laugh out loud.

Re: Only two holes in a heck of a long time, but why?

2014-04-04 Thread Tito Mari Francis Escaño
By easier to maintain, it means having regular task of patching the system here or there a.k.a. job security for system administrators :) On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Eric Furman ericfur...@fastmail.net wrote: On Fri, Apr 4, 2014, at 01:47 AM, Martin Braun wrote: The particular issue

sudo -u environment help

2014-04-04 Thread Craig R. Skinner
Hi, When sudo'ing to another user, how can I obtain all of their environment settings as they receive when logging in themselves? When I use sudo in this manner, settings such as $PATH, $MAIL umask aren't being honoured: $ echo $LOGNAME; echo $PATH; echo $MAIL; umask craig

Re: mysql sock

2014-04-04 Thread Stéphane Guedon
Le vendredi 4 avril 2014, 08:40:37 Antoine Jacoutot a écrit : On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 10:22:54PM +0200, Stéphane Guedon wrote: Hello I wonder something about my mysql socket... Mainly, my mysql server is used by my webserver (nginx) which is chrooted. So I link the mysql socket from

Re: sudo -u environment help

2014-04-04 Thread Vijay Sankar
Quoting Craig R. Skinner skin...@britvault.co.uk: Hi, When sudo'ing to another user, how can I obtain all of their environment settings as they receive when logging in themselves? When I use sudo in this manner, settings such as $PATH, $MAIL umask aren't being honoured: $ echo $LOGNAME;

Re: antiviruses executable on OpenBSD

2014-04-04 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2014-04-04, Jiri B ji...@devio.us wrote: Unfortunatelly both Czech/Slovak antiviruses - Eset, AVG, support Linux or FreeBSD. Maybe m:tier could propose to antivirus companies some kind of cooperation (testing, troubleshooting, boxes for development). If so, it would be great. Maybe just

Re: Only two holes in a heck of a long time, but why?

2014-04-04 Thread Kevin Chadwick
previously on this list Andy contributed: OpenBSD is a learning curve but one which will pay off if you persevere (especially if you're trying to use it for network services). This is the best, perhaps only way to answer the question as there are many reasons mainly coming down to security

Re: Only two holes in a heck of a long time, but why?

2014-04-04 Thread Nick Holland
On 04/03/14 22:04, Martin Braun wrote: ... Maybe I am just plain stupid, but could someone explain to me the point in bragging about only two remote holes in the default install, when the default install is useless before you add some content to the system, unless you're running a web server

Re: sudo -u environment help

2014-04-04 Thread Vadim Zhukov
sudo -i ? 04.04.2014 14:31 пользователь Craig R. Skinner skin...@britvault.co.uk написал: Hi, When sudo'ing to another user, how can I obtain all of their environment settings as they receive when logging in themselves? When I use sudo in this manner, settings such as

Re: Only two holes in a heck of a long time, but why?

2014-04-04 Thread Chris Bennett
Static web pages?? Did you notice that sqlite3 is in base? So you could run your website off of a database, write your OWN software in perl, make highly interactive pages, view them in lynx, offer images to outside viewers browsers, etc. I'm using postgresql, but I could change over to all base

Re: Only two holes in a heck of a long time, but why?

2014-04-04 Thread Kim Zeitler
All in all the default install is pretty useless in itself and I am going to quote Absolute OpenBSD by Michael Lucas: «You're installed OpenBSD and rebooted into a bare-bones system. Of course, a minimal Unix-like system is actually pretty boring. While it makes a powerful foundation, it

Re: sudo -u environment help

2014-04-04 Thread Todd
I think this should work sudo su - user On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 8:52 AM, Vadim Zhukov persg...@gmail.com wrote: sudo -i ? 04.04.2014 14:31 ÐÏÌØÚÏ×ÁÔÅÌØ Craig R. Skinner skin...@britvault.co.uk ÎÁÐÉÓÁÌ: Hi, When sudo'ing to another user, how can I obtain all of their environment

Re: sudo -u environment help

2014-04-04 Thread David Coppa
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 7:01 PM, Todd norr...@gmail.com wrote: I think this should work sudo su - user Sure, it works. I often use it.

Re: Only two holes in a heck of a long time, but why?

2014-04-04 Thread Aaron Poffenberger
On Apr 3, 2014, at 10:20 PM, Kenneth Westerback kwesterb...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 April 2014 22:04, Martin Braun yellowgoldm...@gmail.com wrote: As we all know on the front page of OpenBSD it says Only two remote holes in the default install, in a heck of a long time. I don't understand why

Re: Only two holes in a heck of a long time, but why?

2014-04-04 Thread sven falempin
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Aaron Poffenberger a...@hypernote.comwrote: On Apr 3, 2014, at 10:20 PM, Kenneth Westerback kwesterb...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 April 2014 22:04, Martin Braun yellowgoldm...@gmail.com wrote: As we all know on the front page of OpenBSD it says Only two remote

Re: Keeping OpenBSD installation clean

2014-04-04 Thread Tomas Bodzar
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 8:29 AM, Denis Fondras open...@ledeuns.net wrote: Hello all, I am using OpenBSD to test multiple softwares of any kind (that might become ports in the future) and I get to install many dependencies and my system becomes rotten and bloated with unused libraries and

Re: Keeping OpenBSD installation clean

2014-04-04 Thread Mike Erdely
If you're doing this development in a VM, take a snapshot before making those littering changes. Then revert when you're done. On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:29 AM, Denis Fondras open...@ledeuns.net wrote: Hello all, I am using OpenBSD to test multiple softwares of any kind (that might become

Re: pflog disappeared

2014-04-04 Thread emigrant
You're right, probably pflogrotate script is buggy. root@master[~]ls /var/log/pflog ls: /var/log/pflog: No such file or directory wtf? where is my pflog file? :) interesting, because it worked almost 3 years On 04 Apr 2014, at 04:55, Philip Guenther guent...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 3,

Re: Keeping OpenBSD installation clean

2014-04-04 Thread Kevin Chadwick
previously on this list Denis Fondras contributed: What is the (porter's) preferred way to keep the system clean ? I'm not a porter but one day I may have enough time to be one, so someone shoot me down if this is pointless or if pkg_add will fix up /usr/local but I'd expect that you could:

Re: Keeping OpenBSD installation clean

2014-04-04 Thread Denis Fondras
Thank you very much for your answers. Le 04/04/2014 20:55, Mike Erdely a écrit : If you're doing this development in a VM, take a snapshot before making those littering changes. Then revert when you're done. Yep, when doing this kind of thing on a Linux machine, I usually use containers :)

Re: termios VMIN VTIME

2014-04-04 Thread trifle menot
On 4/4/14, Philip Guenther guent...@gmail.com wrote: The original poster has already be pointed to the POSIX spec and had it explained that OpenBSD won't be changing this behavior as long as it's in POSIX. I didn't ask OpenBSD for code. OpenBSD management seems defensive, perhaps paranoid,

Re: pflog disappeared

2014-04-04 Thread Antoine Jacoutot
On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 09:02:06PM +0200, emigrant wrote: You're right, probably pflogrotate script is buggy. root@master[~]ls /var/log/pflog ls: /var/log/pflog: No such file or directory wtf? where is my pflog file? :) interesting, because it worked almost 3 years Make sure

Re: pflog disappeared

2014-04-04 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2014-04-04, Philip Guenther guent...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 12:18 AM, emigrant emig...@gmail.com wrote: After 64 days uptime(OpenBSD 5.4 i386) /var/log/pflog disappeared. Cron Daemon sent to me: Subject: Cron root@master /bin/sh /etc/pflogrotate pkill: kvm_getprocs()

Re: Only two holes in a heck of a long time, but why?

2014-04-04 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2014-04-04, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: If a port is considered dangerous like wireshark was it is removed to avoid encouraging it but users can still build it of course. There's a problem with *not* having it in ports too, if people do compile it for

Re: APU firmware

2014-04-04 Thread Zé Loff
On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 07:22:52AM -0600, dera...@cvs.openbsd.org wrote: For those of you with PC-Engines APU systems, a BIOS which works a lot better can be found about halfway down http://pcengines.ch/apu1c.htm Good luck. I hope they have it on newly shipped boards.. After an

Re: Only two holes in a heck of a long time, but why?

2014-04-04 Thread Martin Braun
No! By easier to maintain it means apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade which is freaking neat! You can say what you want about Debian, but their apt system is exceptional! Especially between versions. 2014-04-04 12:18 GMT+02:00 Tito Mari Francis Escaño titomarifran...@gmail.com: By easier

Re: Only two holes in a heck of a long time, but why?

2014-04-04 Thread Martin Braun
So you had a good time.. great! So I guess you're running a clean OpenBSD box without any kind of thirdparty application? In that case great.. otherwise go suck on a lollypop! 2014-04-04 12:18 GMT+02:00 Andy a...@brandwatch.com: Hahahahahahahahahaha.. Reaallly!!! :) You should have sent

Re: Only two holes in a heck of a long time, but why?

2014-04-04 Thread Martin Braun
I used OpenBSD back in the 3.x days, The last 3.x release was 8 years ago. Are you fucking serious? Yup. but eventually began using Debian because it was much easier to maintain Can you please give an example of a maintenance task that is easier then the comparable/analogous task in

Re: Only two holes in a heck of a long time, but why?

2014-04-04 Thread ag@gmail
apt-get though seemingly simple, brings in shit load of libraries with names resembling alien species. Try doing a dpkg -l | wc -l and you'll get the idea. Even a default Debian system can have hundreds of libraries of dubious origins. Would I trust my important data to it? Definitely not.

Re: termios VMIN VTIME

2014-04-04 Thread trifle menot
On 4/4/14, Steve Williams st...@williamsitconsulting.com wrote: The POSIX writers erred by making VTIME an interbyte timer. What real life problem are you trying to solve? Theory of operation. Why do you need to have 250 bytes in the returned buffer? Same principle as a 16550 UART FIFO

Re: Only two holes in a heck of a long time, but why?

2014-04-04 Thread Thomas Pfaff
No! By easier to maintain it means apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade which is freaking neat! You can say what you want about Debian, but their apt system is exceptional! Especially between versions. Yes, truly exceptional. I had a blast upgrading from Sheesh to Whoosy, or whatever

Re: Only two holes in a heck of a long time, but why?

2014-04-04 Thread John D. Verne
On Apr 4, 2014, at 18:06, Martin Braun yellowgoldm...@gmail.com wrote: I used OpenBSD back in the 3.x days, The last 3.x release was 8 years ago. Are you fucking serious? Yup. but eventually began using Debian because it was much easier to maintain Can you please give an example of

Re: termios VMIN VTIME

2014-04-04 Thread trifle menot
On 4/4/14, John D. Verne john.ve...@gmail.com wrote: The meaning of VMIN, VTIME change depending on if they are non-zero or not. VTIME is not always an inter-character timer I know. but they way you are using it, it is. Yes, POSIX case A: MIN0 and TIME0. Case B, MIN0 and TIME=0, is

Re: Could someone recommend me to me a good AMD Radeon card for 2d?

2014-04-04 Thread Juan Francisco Cantero Hurtado
On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 01:50:32AM -0400, guitarfreak wrote: Hello all, I was wondering if I could get some recommendations on what the best fully supported (by current/impending 5.5 release) AMD Radeon video card is? I'm primarily interested in watching HD video,but 3d acceleration is always

Re: Only two holes in a heck of a long time, but why?

2014-04-04 Thread Juan Francisco Cantero Hurtado
On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 07:48:50PM -0400, John D. Verne wrote: On Apr 4, 2014, at 18:06, Martin Braun yellowgoldm...@gmail.com wrote: I used OpenBSD back in the 3.x days, The last 3.x release was 8 years ago. Are you fucking serious? Yup. but eventually began using Debian