Re: Is there such a thing as a fanless OpenBSD-capable laptop?

2016-06-13 Thread lists
> :It is not a good idea to mix topics, stay focused and think before send. > : > :Attitude is formed based on intelligence of email postings. We all know > :highly educated people can disagree without negative feelings. Grow up. > : > :I encourage you to keep posting until you meet the quality

Re: Is there such a thing as a fanless OpenBSD-capable laptop?

2016-06-13 Thread lists
> On 13 June 2016 at 05:29, wrote: > > ignore this entire mediocre thread, search the archive instead. Mon, 13 Jun 2016 09:25:29 +0200 ropers > I did. This is a lie. You created the thread on purpose with wrong definitions. This is towards future readers,

Re: Is there such a thing as a fanless OpenBSD-capable laptop?

2016-06-12 Thread lists
Mon, 13 Jun 2016 13:07:14 +1000 > Irony mode ACTIVATE. Exactly: ignore this entire mediocre thread, search the archive instead.

Re: Is there such a thing as a fanless OpenBSD-capable laptop?

2016-06-12 Thread lists
> > Sun, 12 Jun 2016 23:48:33 +0200 ropers > > > Compiled for myself and the archives: > > > > For you only, the archives deserve much better: higher quality threads. > > > > > < Fanless OpenBSD-capable (probably) laptops > > > > > You're in for a LOT of disappointment

Re: Is there such a thing as a fanless OpenBSD-capable laptop?

2016-06-12 Thread lists
Sun, 12 Jun 2016 23:48:33 +0200 ropers > Compiled for myself and the archives: For you only, the archives deserve much better: higher quality threads. > < Fanless OpenBSD-capable (probably) laptops > You're in for a LOT of disappointment if you follow marketing material

Re: Is there such a thing as a fanless OpenBSD-capable laptop?

2016-06-12 Thread lists
Sun, 12 Jun 2016 11:07:24 +1000 > On the other hand, those types of machines are useless for high-end > video editing, which may be what a "desktop" is to you. That's one very complex thought, hold it, keep still, don't move an inch. No machine is useless, it's the

Re: Is there such a thing as a fanless OpenBSD-capable laptop?

2016-06-11 Thread lists
Sat, 11 Jun 2016 20:03:37 +0200 ropers > Does anybody here have a fanless laptop they run OpenBSD on? > (Possibly even as their primary computer? How poor of a desktop replacement > is it?) For a true no moving parts passive cooling system, you're out of luck with the desktop

Re: SYN_RCVD

2016-06-07 Thread lists
> >> OpenBSD uses the syncache for TCP sockets in the 3 way handshake to save a > >> lot of work to create a full socket in case of synfloods, etc. > >> These unhatched sockets do not show up in the netstat output. Maybe they > >> should be added but this is the first request that asks for them in

Re: FOSS tools for flashing motherboard BIOS?

2016-06-06 Thread lists
Mon, 6 Jun 2016 23:36:46 +0300 li...@wrant.com > Mon, 6 Jun 2016 16:09:46 -0400 Alan Corey > > > Upgrading sqlports-compact keeps your pkg_mgr aware of current ports. > > > > > >> So, I guess I should look at BiosDisk too. > > > > > > If one utility warns you could

Re: FOSS tools for flashing motherboard BIOS?

2016-06-06 Thread lists
Mon, 6 Jun 2016 16:09:46 -0400 Alan Corey > > Upgrading sqlports-compact keeps your pkg_mgr aware of current ports. > > > >> So, I guess I should look at BiosDisk too. > > > > If one utility warns you could potentially have unpredictable flashing > > results, how is the other

Re: FOSS tools for flashing motherboard BIOS?

2016-06-06 Thread lists
Mon, 6 Jun 2016 09:52:49 -0400 Alan Corey > I don't see anything in there for flashing, just looking in pbrowser. That pbrowser is not available as a package (~7 months), its Makefile is in the attic. You could try sysutils/pkg_mgr as a port (package). CVS log for

Re: sysmerge equivalent to upgrade.site?

2016-06-04 Thread lists
Sat, 4 Jun 2016 12:37:14 -0500 Chris Bennett > I am following the same procedure for each snapshot I install. > Download files to one USB hard drive, boot bsd.rd, install to other USB > flash drive and reboot. > > But I have a problem, the install are on

Re: document the actual meaning of ssh's "command" argument

2016-06-02 Thread lists
Wed, 01 Jun 2016 19:48:37 -0500 Carson Chittom > Theo de Raadt writes: > > > The facts are this is unix, and there is a minimum height required to > > ride. > > May I suggest to whoever is responsible for theo.c: this belongs in it. You can put

Re: form printer

2016-05-31 Thread lists
Tue, 31 May 2016 08:49:53 + "Kapfhammer, Stefan" > I would recommend OKI dot matrix printers. > They have 9- and 24-dot printers. They are > well supported with lpd. OKI has also every > part on stock in case of repair. > The rippon cartridges are cheap and last > for up to 2

Re: form printer

2016-05-31 Thread lists
Mon, 30 May 2016 18:23:03 -0500 Edgar Pettijohn > I am looking for a form printer. (The kind that take the paper with > the holes on the side.) Tractor-feed continuous form paper [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuous_stationery] > New ones are a little on the

Re: Impossibility of cryptographic verification of downloads

2016-05-25 Thread lists
Thu, 26 May 2016 04:37:04 +0200 arrowscr...@mail.com > I don't really understand the crypto theory behind it all, but I > didn't read any elaborated argument besides a big "NO" from openbsd The topic of the debate is incorrect, mostly the result of ignorance. signify - cryptographically sign and

Re: Is loss of read-only /usr permanent?

2016-05-24 Thread lists
Tue, 24 May 2016 16:44:09 +0100 Kevin Chadwick > > [WARNING! Shameless self-promotion below!] > > I have solved my need for read-only OpenBSD in a following manner: > > https://www.mimar.rs/blog/how-to-increase-openbsds-resilience-to-power-outage > > s/ > > write your own

Re: is my dns server/ routing borked??, i could need some advice

2016-05-24 Thread lists
> >>> For some reasons, i notice that i am not able to access some website > >>> in > >>> the first 10 minutes when i have my machine turned on. > >> > >> If you have a broadband on premises equipment like a converter, modem, > >> router, switch etc, you may

Re: ntpd: How to make TLS connection via IPv4?

2016-05-23 Thread lists
> Why don't you use an ipv4 only site for constraints? > It will probably work. Another option would be to have -4 and -6 options for the respective program similar to other clients / servers on dual stacked machines. This is probably not happening, so use any trick that gets you there. Another

Re: OpenBSD on Mikrotik/RouterBoard hardware ?

2016-05-23 Thread lists
> My old companion, OpenBSD router/firewall (Intel Atom based and 5 > Gigabit Intel network interfaces) died 2 weeks ago ... (Really think > motherbord is dead :( ). Quickest choice would be to replicate the updated hardware spec from last time with newer model optionally better manufacturer

Re: is my dns server/ routing borked??, i could need some advice

2016-05-23 Thread lists
> > For some reasons, i notice that i am not able to access some website in > > the first 10 minutes when i have my machine turned on. > > >>> > > >>> If you have a broadband on premises equipment like a converter, modem, > > >>> router, switch etc, you may consider replacing

Re: is my dns server/ routing borked??, i could need some advice

2016-05-23 Thread lists
Mon, 23 May 2016 07:40:27 +0200 Ton Muller > On 22-5-2016 15:45, li...@wrant.com wrote: > > Sun, 22 May 2016 10:42:52 +0200 Ton Muller > >> > >> For some reasons, i notice that i am not able to access some website in > >> the first 10 minutes when i

Re: Suggestion: new webpage for openbsd.org

2016-05-22 Thread lists
Sun, 22 May 2016 19:21:13 +1000 > > Using XHTML 1.0 Strict wouldn't be a bad idea, since this is supported This is not so convincing proof, nor reasoning. Any document type is just as good as the other when the internals match the definition, as long as the type is

Re: can't find books.html link

2016-05-22 Thread lists
Sun, 22 May 2016 11:53:24 +0800 Teng Zhang <unixrea...@gmail.com> > Could you please tell me where can i find the link which corresponding to > books.html on the www.openbsd.org. It is right there on the left navigation pane in OpenBSD Resources section after the Mailing Lists link,

Re: Secure PKG_PATH for doas

2016-05-22 Thread lists
Sat, 21 May 2016 12:34:58 +0100 Raf Czlonka > On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 08:55:37AM BST, Marc Espie wrote: > > On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 03:37:48PM +0100, Raf Czlonka wrote: > > > On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 12:39:46PM BST, Igor Mironov wrote: > > > > > > > Thank you Mart, Ted and

Re: Secure PKG_PATH for doas

2016-05-20 Thread lists
Fri, 20 May 2016 00:18:47 + (UTC) Stuart Henderson > On 2016-05-19, Mart Tõnso wrote: > > Do feel free to select from the list of actual mirrors: > > http://www.openbsd.org/ftp.html > > Or in /etc/examples/pkg.conf. Which reminds the installer already

Re: Secure PKG_PATH for doas

2016-05-20 Thread lists
Fri, 20 May 2016 08:46:47 +0300 li...@wrant.com > Fri, 20 May 2016 00:18:47 + (UTC) Stuart Henderson > > > On 2016-05-19, Mart Tõnso wrote: > > > Do feel free to select from the list of actual mirrors: > > > http://www.openbsd.org/ftp.html > > > > Or

Re: Status of GCN AMD Gpu hardware acceleration

2016-05-20 Thread lists
Fri, 20 May 2016 02:06:22 -0500 Michael Brinkman <thygreatswagged...@gmail.com> > That makes sense. So is there a list of which cards are supported? > > The Radeon manpage doesn't seem to be very clear on this and just > lists support of cards by codename. I don't want t

Re: Alternate Puffy Logo Design

2016-05-19 Thread lists
Thu, 19 May 2016 10:58:40 -0400 Joe Schillinger [cut] > Here's a modified and colorized version of Puffy from > the l2k15 shirt (original design by Markus Hall): > https://u.teknik.io/OEyHA.png Because this link will rot, and for the audio book readers ``eye poke'', it shows

Re: Suggestion: new webpage for openbsd.org

2016-05-19 Thread lists
> > The idea is to replace index.html but for all other pages just ^^^ The technical term is ``deface'' and maybe this thread could be ignored. > > replace the stylesheets. In so far, I’ve included a few other > > pages, including plat.html, goals.html and alpha.html.

Re: Is loss of read-only /usr permanent?

2016-05-19 Thread lists
Fri, 20 May 2016 00:44:30 +0200 Jasper Valentijn > OK, diskless(8), Example 7 states: > > Populate myclient's root filesystem on the server. How this is done depends > on the client architecture and the version of the OpenBSD distribution. It > can be as simple as

Re: Is loss of read-only /usr permanent?

2016-05-19 Thread lists
Wed, 18 May 2016 16:21:15 +0100 bytevolc...@safe-mail.net > This was mainly asking for clarification about what's going on; > that's what was given. Clarification provided early in the thread by Theo, and you and others like you insisted on the nonsense, which results in annoying comments. It is

Re: Suggestion: new webpage for openbsd.org

2016-05-18 Thread lists
Wed, 18 May 2016 18:08:52 +0200 Joakim Frostegård > > Everybody, thanks for the constructive feedback. As for the snarky > neo-luddite remarks, they were entertaining too [...] > I changed the colors a bit. Now, the contrast between the links and the > background is a

Re: Is loss of read-only /usr permanent?

2016-05-18 Thread lists
Tue, 17 May 2016 19:45:55 +0100 Kevin Chadwick > > > UPS do fail too btw. I had to rip some cheap APC ones out because > > > they caused more downtime than they saved! > > > > Did you just copy paste this line from somewhere? You can't handle a > > battery replacement,

Re: Static webpages with OpenBSD - success stories

2016-05-18 Thread lists
Wed, 18 May 2016 01:34:24 +0200 Ingo Schwarze > Hi Predrag, > > Predrag Punosevac wrote on Tue, May 17, 2016 at 06:59:15PM -0400: > > > OpenBSD is shipped with the static webpage generator (sort of). > > It is called mandoc. man mandoc and check out -T html switch. Not in

Re: Suggestion: new webpage for openbsd.org

2016-05-17 Thread lists
Tue, 17 May 2016 13:04:26 -0400 "Ted Unangst" > Joakim Frostegård wrote: > > The idea is to replace index.html but for all other pages just > > replace the stylesheets. In so far, I’ve included a few other > > pages, including plat.html, goals.html and alpha.html. > > > >

Re: Suggestion: new webpage for openbsd.org

2016-05-17 Thread lists
Tue, 17 May 2016 09:11:44 +0200 Joakim Frostegård > I’ve made a responsive new webpage replacement for the > in my opinion somewhat aged openbsd.org . > It’s available at http://greatest-ape.github.io/openbsd-site/public_html/ You did a wonderful

Re:

2016-05-17 Thread lists
d here: List of text editors (incomplete) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_text_editors] List of text editors (less than complete) [http://texteditors.org/] Editor war [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Editor_war] OpenBSD has mailing lists details netiquette here: [http://www.openbsd.

Re: TPO (Technical platform owner) role

2016-05-14 Thread lists
Fri, 13 May 2016 09:08:06 + Ruslanas Gžibovskis > My current organization is establishing TPO role. > Maybe someone can share some draft of role specification or some docs or at > least structure of documents prepared by TPO. > > What results are expected from TPO in our

Re: Subpixel / RGB antialiasing

2016-05-13 Thread lists
Fri, 13 May 2016 10:09:11 -0400 "Ted Unangst" > Simon McFarlane wrote: > > On 04/14/16 12:23, Matej Nanut wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > OpenBSD's freetype library is built without the feature. > > > > > > If you have your source trees set up, you can rebuild it after >

Re: light browsers

2016-05-12 Thread lists
> dillo is in ports www/dillo - a fast and light graphical web browser (no JS) [http://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/~checkout~/ports/www/dillo/pkg/DESCR] "Dillo is a multi-platform graphical web browser known for its speed and small size. It is written in C and C++ and based on FLTK."

vxlan paper from AsiaBSDCon 2014

2016-04-28 Thread lists
Hello misc, I was looking for the slides of the presentation done by reyk@. I have checked http://www.openbsd.org/papers/index.html Thanks, Jim

Re: Creating a blog using OpenBSD: technology choices and security considerations

2016-04-26 Thread lists
Tue, 26 Apr 2016 09:29:30 +0200 Kamil Cholewiński > On Tue, 26 Apr 2016, David Lou wrote: > > Hello, > > > > This is my first post. :) I suppose this is a high level kind of > > question. And can have way too many answers, not that many of them

Re: Creating a blog using OpenBSD: technology choices and security considerations

2016-04-26 Thread lists
Tue, 26 Apr 2016 12:36:32 +0200 Kamil Cholewiński > On Tue, 26 Apr 2016, li...@wrant.com wrote: > > Reality check, structured text presentation beats any sort of generator: > > > > [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightweight_markup_language] > > I agree with using an LML, but

Re: Apr 24 snap - video broken on chrome running as different user?

2016-04-25 Thread lists
> Read this whole thread here, maybe this applies to you: > > http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc=145125527304834=2 A chown 666 /dev/drm0 indeed fixes the problem! I'll poke around fbtab and/or play with a new group to get this fixed. Thanks so much!

Apr 24 snap - video broken on chrome running as different user?

2016-04-24 Thread lists
Hello all - I run chrome as a different user, "browser". In my .xinitrc, I have the command "xhost si:localuser:browser", and a script that fixes environment variables and effectively launches "doas -u browser sh -c chrome". In the Apr 24 snapshot for amd64, chrome no longer plays youtube

Re: Apr 24 snap - video broken on chrome running as different user?

2016-04-24 Thread lists
It's also worth mentioning that I get this error when run from xterm: [62930:679092224:0425/050804:ERROR:video_layer_impl.cc(369)] Not implemented reached in virtual void cc::VideoLayerImpl::AppendQuads(cc::RenderPass *, cc::AppendQuadsData *)

Re: Getting started with an OpenBSD Desktop...

2016-04-15 Thread lists
Wed, 13 Apr 2016 18:34:43 +0200 Mike Burns > On 2016-04-13 15.31.36 +0200, Erling Westenvik wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 09:37:53AM +, Mike Burns wrote: > > > I hooked some shell scripts up with zenity to make a wifi GUI. > > > > > Interesting. Care to

Re: Recording computer sound.

2016-04-13 Thread lists
Wed, 13 Apr 2016 10:07:01 +0200 Alexandre Ratchov > On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 08:22:40AM +0300, li...@wrant.com wrote: > > Mon, 11 Apr 2016 19:17:31 +0200 Alexandre Ratchov > > > On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 12:16:42PM +0300, li...@wrant.com wrote: > > > > > > > >

Re: Getting started with an OpenBSD Desktop...

2016-04-13 Thread lists
Tue, 12 Apr 2016 20:40:52 -0400 Michael McConville > Implausibility wrote: > > I know how to install things via the ports, but traversing the > > directory structure to find useful packages is painful. If there's a > > more friendly way to search for and discover

Re: Recording computer sound.

2016-04-12 Thread lists
Mon, 11 Apr 2016 19:17:31 +0200 Alexandre Ratchov > On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 12:16:42PM +0300, li...@wrant.com wrote: > > > > Just an idea, before providing a diff, does it look like a good > > candidate to go into FAQ13.4? Thank you for your consideration. > > Yes, this would

Re: can't upgrade using the last snapshot

2016-04-11 Thread lists
Mon, 11 Apr 2016 18:31:35 + Robert Peichaer > On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 07:22:31PM +0200, arrowscr...@mail.com wrote: > > The snapshot can't find the mirror. It prints: "no address associated with > > this name". > > I have tried many mirrors (inclusing the mother,

Re: Recording computer sound.

2016-04-10 Thread lists
Sat, 9 Apr 2016 12:53:48 -0300 "Henrique N. Lengler" > On Sat, Apr 09, 2016 at 01:18:11PM +0200, Alexandre Ratchov wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 08, 2016 at 07:09:59PM -0300, Henrique N. Lengler wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > Is there a way to record the sound playing on

Re: xbacklight / screen brightness

2016-04-09 Thread lists
Thu, 7 Apr 2016 22:05:26 +0200 (CEST) Mark Kettenis > > There are a few instances of this bug. You can also see it with cpu > > frequency and audio volume. > > > > Most drivers maintain soft state that should mirror the hardware > > state. Except when it doesn't.

Re: man pages diff

2016-04-09 Thread lists
Thu, 7 Apr 2016 21:40:24 +0100 Jason McIntyre > On Thu, Apr 07, 2016 at 10:13:02PM +0200, Ingo Schwarze wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Jason McIntyre wrote on Thu, Apr 07, 2016 at 08:35:52PM +0100: > > > On Thu, Apr 07, 2016 at 03:15:01PM -0400, Rob Pierce wrote: > > > > >>

Re: muting keyboard bell broken on amd64 -current?

2016-04-05 Thread lists
On Mon, Apr 04, 2016 at 12:31:26AM +, li...@ggp2.com wrote: > > Can you reproduce it with an recent original snapshot kernel? > > My kernel is newer than the snapshot on the mirror I checked an hour or > so ago, so I'll wait until a new one hits and test. Using the latest snapshot the

Re: muting keyboard bell broken on amd64 -current?

2016-04-03 Thread lists
> Can you reproduce it with an recent original snapshot kernel? My kernel is newer than the snapshot on the mirror I checked an hour or so ago, so I'll wait until a new one hits and test.

Re: muting keyboard bell broken on amd64 -current?

2016-04-03 Thread lists
> On Sun, Apr 03, 2016 at 02:31:37AM +, li...@ggp2.com wrote: > You might want to check for a ``keyboard1'' reference in wscons and try > setting bell.volume to 0 for that, if present. > > # wsconsctl | grep .*.bell.volume= > keyboard.bell.volume=50 > keyboard1.bell.volume=50

muting keyboard bell broken on amd64 -current?

2016-04-02 Thread lists
Has anyone else noticed that the keyboard bell is no longer muted when updating -current in the past few days? $ wsconsctl keyboard.bell.volume keyboard.bell.volume=0 is what shows on my machine, but I'm still getting console beeps (I wasn't before. My last kernel is showing as being built on

Re: Ipsec from OpeBSD to StrongSwan/Linux

2016-03-29 Thread lists
> >I'm trying to set up a VPN connection between two machines, one running > >StrongSwan on Linux, and the other OpenBSD 5.8. OpenBSD is set to start > >the vpn connection. > > For questions about OpenVPN setups, Cut here. > Adam > http://www.DCpages.com Adam, could you please first sort

Re: OpenNTP features

2016-03-19 Thread lists
Wed, 16 Mar 2016 13:23:08 +0200 Gabor Juhasz > In our IoT project we have to select an NTPd for our embedded device > in order it can have accurate time. Relatively correct time within specified tolerance, not accurate. > It uses 3G/4G mobile net. Of course the net is

Re: Silly typo in docs

2016-03-15 Thread lists
Mon, 14 Mar 2016 22:12:12 +0100 Murk Fletcher > I see what you mean and you're right, it can go both ways. Does not change a thing. Maybe concentrate on improving incomplete, missing or required sections rather than churn on wording and style.

Re: OT: Looking for email host with qmail like minus-addressing for custom domain

2016-03-04 Thread lists
al connection usually start at 5 USD/mo > in the US. Very useful information. Go figure about resource block lists right after you suck up to your asynchronous puny ISP policies and virtually unlimited peering compared to practically non existent international. > At this price, nowadays you

Re: OT: Flash Reliability in Production: The Expected and the Unexpected

2016-03-04 Thread lists
Wed, 2 Mar 2016 23:01:35 +0100 Karel Gardas > sorry for off-topic, but this is indeed interesting flash drive study done by Thanks for the paper, Bianca. Now on your topic, Karel: Have you ever wondered who pays the researchers for publishing papers, and how this effects

Re: how to send email via Mail

2016-02-26 Thread lists
Fri, 26 Feb 2016 22:25:41 +0200 cho...@jtan.com > Eric Furman writes: > > On Fri, Feb 26, 2016, at 09:22 AM, Артур Истомин wrote: > > > With this approach, we will have only one email provider. His name is > > > Google. > > > Spam and other black sides of today email system is price we pay for > >

Re: e-commerce framework suggestion? medoc?

2016-02-25 Thread lists
Wed, 24 Feb 2016 23:51:10 +0100 arrowscr...@mail.com > So, I'll probably use Ubercart. Thanks everyone. > The "Django" software seems good too 'Mariano', I'll read more on that. > > About the laws and regulations 'Dave', I will need to see that. Here > in my country we have all these regulations

Re: Reached some limit with sockets?

2016-02-22 Thread lists
Sun, 21 Feb 2016 14:09:26 +0100 Federico Giannici > On 02/21/16 01:05, li...@wrant.com wrote: > > Sat, 20 Feb 2016 20:06:57 +0100 Federico Giannici > >> In a server (OpenBSD amd64 5.7) with many concurrent perl programs that > >> have to open a lot

Re: Reached some limit with sockets?

2016-02-20 Thread lists
Sat, 20 Feb 2016 20:06:57 +0100 Federico Giannici > In a server (OpenBSD amd64 5.7) with many concurrent perl programs that > have to open a lot of SSH connections, I get many errors like this: Have you tried connection sharing with ssh(1) yet? Does the Net:SSH give you

Re: root access after failed fsck

2016-02-20 Thread lists
Sat, 20 Feb 2016 11:52:32 +0100 arrowscr...@mail.com > Wow, that's new to me. Thanks. Yep, the FAQ is pretty new and shiny. FAQ8 general questions. FAQ10 system management. A must read for half the questions you may have in general use. The entire FAQ is the first thing to query before the

Re: LibertyBSD, recently forked from OpenBSD, has been deblobbed as much as its creator could see?

2016-02-19 Thread lists
Recurring troll coming from gmail and nabble (you-name-it tomorrow). Zero entry effort. Wasted electricity and skin. Plain simply ignored.

Re: Industrial use of line printers, does/would your company/organization use them with our lpd?

2016-02-19 Thread lists
Thu, 18 Feb 2016 20:38:38 + (GMT) Roderick > Well, let me say my opinion. Why !? > I think BSD and Unix is also "outdated beyond rescue", but we are ^^ This means "following standards and reliably implementing Unix core".

Re: startx vs xdm

2016-02-18 Thread lists
Thu, 18 Feb 2016 21:44:08 +0100 Jan Stary > > My .Xdefaults is a symlink to .Xresources > > and .xsession is a symlink to .xinitrc. > > Why is that? Am I missing something obvious? $ grep xrdb .xinitrc [[ -f ~/.Xresources ]] && xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources [[ -f ~/.Xdefaults ]] &&

Re: Is true that the BSD developers were inspired to make their code free software by the example of the GNU Project, and explicit appeals from GNU activists helped persuade them?

2016-02-18 Thread lists
Wed, 17 Feb 2016 19:36:35 -0500 Eric Furman <ericfur...@fastmail.net> > Now I'm off to the GNU & Linux lists to spread the gospel of OpenBSD! Better, influence highly skilled programmers, friends, colleagues, partners, clients, the wide public, classmates, coeds, teachers,

Re: Is true that the BSD developers were inspired to make their code free software by the example of the GNU Project, and explicit appeals from GNU activists helped persuade them?

2016-02-18 Thread lists
Wed, 17 Feb 2016 22:12:58 -0500 Eric Furman <ericfur...@fastmail.net> > On Wed, Feb 17, 2016, at 09:10 PM, li...@wrant.com wrote: > > Wed, 17 Feb 2016 19:36:35 -0500 Eric Furman <ericfur...@fastmail.net> > > > Now I'm off to the GNU & Linux lis

Re: Is true that the BSD developers were inspired to make their code free software by the example of the GNU Project, and explicit appeals from GNU activists helped persuade them?

2016-02-16 Thread lists
ally being discovered and talked about on > the OpenBSD mailing lists. As marketing bullshit, meaning, polluting OpenBSD mailing lists. > It's very important that everyone sees the true greatness of Richard > Stallman and the GNU project, without which, we would not have GNU > Hurd. Sarcastica

Re: Will Softraid RAID1 read from the fastest mirror/-s / supports user-specified device read priority order, nowadays? Takes broken disk out of use?

2016-02-16 Thread lists
Tue, 16 Feb 2016 10:57:38 -0800 Chris Cappuccio > li...@wrant.com [li...@wrant.com] wrote: > > > > Plan for your use case, and consult the man page and respective source > > code on implementation details. And flash storage disks are still > > unreliable compared to spinning

Re: Will Softraid RAID1 read from the fastest mirror/-s / supports user-specified device read priority order, nowadays? Takes broken disk out of use?

2016-02-16 Thread lists
Mon, 15 Feb 2016 22:03:13 +0100 Karel Gardas > > ..And therefore you need enterprise disks because they behave "cleanly", as > > when using those only, essentially full softraid QoS is maintained at all > > times. > > Interesting! I've understand Nick excellent email in

Re: pfctl: DIOCGETQSTATS: Bad file descriptor

2016-02-04 Thread lists
I found out what the issue was. As an example, this is valid with "pfctl -f /etc/pf.conf" but will throw "pfctl: DIOCGETQSTATS: Bad file descriptor" with "pfctl -s queue": queue test on egress bandwidth 1M default This works properly with "pfctl -s queue" as well: queue test on em0 bandwidth

Re: Making and using a release

2016-01-31 Thread lists
Sun, 31 Jan 2016 12:04:50 + Mark Carroll > http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Release tells me at the end that, > > > ... if updating a machine to a new -stable, simply unpack the tar > > files in the root directory of the target machine. > > Am I right to worry that this

Re: I have a program I wish to submit for the base

2016-01-30 Thread lists
Fri, 29 Jan 2016 16:35:12 -0600 Luke Small > I have secure architectures with openbsd. Looks like public learning from a viewer's point, thanks for sharing your work so far. This is the right thing to show progress and ask reviews. Please try to very carefully listen what

Re: I have a program I wish to submit for the base

2016-01-29 Thread lists
Fri, 29 Jan 2016 04:00:31 -0600 Luke Small > I wanted to use kqueue. Name another script or programming language that > offers it from the base install. NONE! Keep calm ;-) > Why should I write it in another language. I already did it in C. Is there > another way other

Re: I have a program I wish to submit for the base

2016-01-29 Thread lists
Fri, 29 Jan 2016 08:19:14 + Nicholas Marriott > Firstly, I don't think we need this in base and I think there is little > to no chance of it being taken, even if the code is improved. Many folks tried this part (advising Luke), he takes none and keeps repeating wrong concepts, his assignment

Re: can't run multiple instances of httpd, flags not visible in processes

2016-01-28 Thread lists
Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:52:18 +0100 Ingo Schwarze > I'd love to make the example more specific and document an actual > use case that frequently occurs in practice, but even though many > have said that such cases do occur, i can't think of any. I have this use case, and have not

Re: Willing to help

2016-01-27 Thread lists
Tue, 26 Jan 2016 10:51:09 -0600 Adam Thompson > On 16-01-26 10:32 AM, Peter Hessler wrote: > > On 2016 Jan 26 (Tue) at 08:13:22 -0600 (-0600), Edgar Pettijohn wrote: > > :> * adduser(8)/useradd(8): > > :> Needs to be unified into one single > > > > One binary, with

Re: Willing to help

2016-01-25 Thread lists
Mon, 25 Jan 2016 23:42:37 +0100 Ingo Schwarze > Some GSOC projects may still be relevant, but one has to admit that > it is rare that GSOC projects produce code that actually gets > committed. Even among those that succeeded, only a minority produced > code good enough to

Re: PF: can't make queueing and priority work as expected

2016-01-20 Thread lists
Sat, 9 Jan 2016 17:45:01 +0200 Mihai Popescu > Where is the enlightment gone? In proofreading the queuing FAQ and updating the best current practice, thank Marko for bravely trying to understand and apply it with the risk of being insulted unjustly. Line 59

Re: pfctl: DIOCGETQSTATS: Bad file descriptor

2016-01-13 Thread lists
I haven't done anything other than binary releases in some time, although it's possible I may have fat fingered a terminal at some point. I infrequently check these boxes other than biannual release updates and mtier patches. The checksums and timestamps of /bsd and /sbin/pfctl match another

pfctl: DIOCGETQSTATS: Bad file descriptor

2016-01-10 Thread lists
Whenever running "doas pfctl -s queue -v" on a 5.8/amd64 box (PC engines apu1d4), it outputs the error "pfctl: DIOCGETQSTATS: Bad file descriptor". Has anyone seen this before? Both queuing and port filtering have been working without issue. Here's a 1:1 copy of the queuing section I'm running

Re: High interrupt load using 5.8 Release GENERIC i386 on Acer Aspire 3630 laptop

2016-01-09 Thread peter . foster . lists
Many thanks for the suggestions on executing acpidump and building the kernel with ACPI_DEBUG enabled. Regrettably, I presently don't have access to the Acer Aspire 3630 so it will take a few weeks to post an update on this. I'll make sure to follow up at the next opportunity. Kind regards,

Re: bandwidth usage limits with pf, etc.

2015-12-31 Thread Lists
pftop is what youbare looking for. pkg_add pftop > On Dec 31, 2015, at 2:28 PM, Mark Carroll wrote: > > I was wondering recently what the biggest bandwidth hogs were on my home > network at a certain moment. On Linux I use iftop on the router for > this, but I wonder in OpenBSD

Re: libGL error: failed to open drm device: Permission denied

2015-12-28 Thread lists
Mon, 28 Dec 2015 00:25:25 +0200 Mihai Popescu > libGL error: failed to open drm device: Permission denied > libGL error: failed to load driver: r600 > > Is it normal, can it be fixed on my side? Quick and dirty hack around this (if your user is in group wheel): $ grep chmod

Re: Mg scroll-up issue in xterm

2015-12-28 Thread lists
of your emails in every other thread, Mr. Tati Chevron, looks more like an advertisement for your employment company in the email signature all over the place, on the OpenBSD mailing lists like a know it all but did not participate in it person. Please don't respond to this challenge, act accordingly.

Re: libGL error: failed to open drm device: Permission denied

2015-12-28 Thread lists
Mon, 28 Dec 2015 19:50:42 +0200 Mihai Popescu > But, that file is filled in for ttyC0 only, the tty that most users > are using it for login. But, giving the fact that I got some annoying > kernel messages from my connecting/disconnecting USB mouse with > aggresive power

Re: High interrupt load using 5.8 Release GENERIC i386 on Acer Aspire 3630 laptop

2015-12-27 Thread peter . foster . lists
On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Tati Chevron wrote: > > I have an Acer Aspire 3610, which has run every -release since at least > 5.0 without problems. Certainly, I've not seen this high interrupt load. > > On the other hand, looking at your dmesg, there are differences in

High interrupt load using 5.8 Release GENERIC i386 on Acer Aspire 3630 laptop

2015-12-27 Thread peter . foster . lists
Hi, I have installed 5.8 Release GENERIC i386 on an Acer Aspire 3630 laptop. Even when the system is almost completely idle, `top' consistently reports an interrupt load in the range 75%--80%. Admittedly this hardware is more than 8 years old, nevertheless I believe the load is unusually high,

Re: text-mode gui

2015-12-22 Thread lists
Tue, 22 Dec 2015 13:36:38 -0500 "Ted Unangst" > Tati Chevron wrote: > > I have never understood exactly why people have so much difficulty > > installing > > a recent OpenBSD system on an encrypted partition. > > > > Basically, you boot bsd.rd as normal, and drop to a

Re: text-mode gui

2015-12-22 Thread lists
Mon, 21 Dec 2015 09:03:09 -0600 Luke Small > I don't need a special need case. Your own use case is deviating from the minimum required to install the system in a supported by the installer way. And yes, you don't need a special "need" case (giggling). > I have already

Re: text-mode gui

2015-12-22 Thread lists
Mon, 21 Dec 2015 18:40:48 -0600 Luke Small > You are a normal user and have full disk encryption. You must have read the > man page on how to do that? Found the installer option did you. We're obviously missing your quick program you promised us for the installer. Why this

Re: text-mode gui

2015-12-22 Thread lists
Tue, 22 Dec 2015 20:35:39 + Tati Chevron > On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 10:20:16PM +0200, li...@wrant.com wrote: > >Tue, 22 Dec 2015 13:36:38 -0500 "Ted Unangst" > >> Tati Chevron wrote: > >> > I have never understood exactly why people have so much

Re: text-mode gui

2015-12-22 Thread lists
Whatever the encryption or other stake raising argument is found today or in the future, the point is, deviation from line oriented interfaces for the installer is not the way it can be handled by other systems, meaning it's not the least common denominator that lends itself to machine processing

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