A little bit late, but on topic (and very very true):
http://www.irtc.org/ftp/pub/stills/2005-02-28/rtfm_jd.jpg
Dmitrij D. Czarkoff czark...@gmail.com writes:
So you state that the fact that if one chooses to use the whole disk,
the whole disk is used needs further documentation?
Once upon a time, mkfs used to make a 10-second pause before starting.
That's the way you do it.
--
Fredrik Stax\ang | rot13:
On Mon, 2012-03-12 at 08:55 +0100, Fredrik Staxeng wrote:
Dmitrij D. Czarkoff czark...@gmail.com writes:
So you state that the fact that if one chooses to use the whole disk,
the whole disk is used needs further documentation?
Once upon a time, mkfs used to make a 10-second pause before
Dmitrij D. Czarkoff czark...@gmail.com writes:
On Mon, 2012-03-12 at 08:55 +0100, Fredrik Staxeng wrote:
Dmitrij D. Czarkoff czark...@gmail.com writes:
So you state that the fact that if one chooses to use the whole disk,
the whole disk is used needs further documentation?
Once upon a
2012/3/12 Fredrik Staxeng fst...@update.uu.se:
So you state that the fact that if one chooses to use the whole disk,
the whole disk is used needs further documentation?
Once upon a time, mkfs used to make a 10-second pause before starting.
That's the way you do it.
That is an answer to the
On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 08:55:03 +0100
Fredrik Staxeng wrote:
Dmitrij D. Czarkoff czark...@gmail.com writes:
So you state that the fact that if one chooses to use the whole disk,
the whole disk is used needs further documentation?
Once upon a time, mkfs used to make a 10-second pause before
On Mon, 2012-03-12 at 10:58 +0100, Fredrik Staxeng wrote:
I think that there is a large probability that the user will spend that
time reading the message, and consider whether he really wants to do it.
On Mon, 2012-03-12 at 11:22 +, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
It's a fair point that may be
12 PP0QQP0 2012, 11:59 PQ Fredrik Staxeng fst...@update.uu.se:
Once upon a time, mkfs used to make a 10-second pause before starting.
That's the way you do it.
oh, this is B.C.! then some dork will appear on the list saying the 10 sec was
not long enough for him. when you install an OS (in
On Fri, 2012-03-09 at 13:44 -0500, Kenneth R Westerback wrote:
That's interesting, as for me bsd.rd only creates sd0, so I have to find
the right sdN in dmesg and then cd /dev; sh MAKEDEV sdN if I want to
install OS there...
That strikes me as an interesting error. The install process
font = Droid Sans Japanese
@theo
smashing pumpkins mellon collie ... and ..
Barry Grumbine wrote:
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 3:18 AM, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff czark...@gmail.com
wrote:
Though OpenBSD installer is not the main feature of OpenBSD for me (it
is only used to install OS anyway), I wouldn't like it to change in any
way now, as I just can't think of a way to make it
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012, at 02:39 AM, Lars wrote:
Barry Grumbine wrote:
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 3:18 AM, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff czark...@gmail.com
wrote:
Though OpenBSD installer is not the main feature of OpenBSD for me (it
is only used to install OS anyway), I wouldn't like it to change in any
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 3:39 AM, Lars nore...@z505.com wrote:
Barry Grumbine wrote:
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 3:18 AM, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff czark...@gmail.com
wrote:
Though OpenBSD installer is not the main feature of OpenBSD for me (it
is only used to install OS anyway), I wouldn't like it
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcia nka...@gmail.com wrote:
With multiple drives, especially for bulky softraid setups, it might get
overwhelming pretty fast.
The idea is interesting, and especially helpful if the machine was
previously built and the drives ordered differently
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Johan Beisser j...@caustic.org wrote:
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcia nka...@gmail.com
wrote:
With multiple drives, especially for bulky softraid setups, it might get
overwhelming pretty fast.
The idea is interesting, and especially
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 12:15:08PM -0500, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
With multiple drives, especially for bulky softraid setups, it might get
overwhelming pretty fast.
What's the relevant info, then ? drive names ? drive sizes ? existing
mbr or disklabels ?
At the most, remembering you can shell
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012, at 06:55 PM, Marc Espie wrote:
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 12:15:08PM -0500, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
With multiple drives, especially for bulky softraid setups, it might get
overwhelming pretty fast.
What's the relevant info, then ? drive names ? drive sizes ? existing
* Leonardo Sabino dos Santos leonardo.sab...@gmail.com [2012-03-07 19:44]:
That being said, I think Dave understands the problem very well. That
is probably the most dangerous point in the installation. It's
dangerous even for experienced users (anyone can get distracted and
screw up), but
On 2012-03-08 17.21, daniel holtzman wrote:
The installation routine has been thoughtfully designed and does exactly
as intended. OpenBSD caters to the craftsman, not the casual user. If a
user is not committed to a high level of responsibility (and freedom),
install-time is a great time for a
On Fri, 2012-03-09 at 13:05 +0100, Benny Lofgren wrote:
On 2012-03-08 17.21, daniel holtzman wrote:
The installation routine has been thoughtfully designed and does exactly
as intended. OpenBSD caters to the craftsman, not the casual user. If a
user is not committed to a high level of
On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 8:33 PM, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff czark...@gmail.com wrote:
So you state that the fact that if one chooses to use the whole disk,
the whole disk is used needs further documentation?
Well, since this is the one of the few (only?) destructive actions the
installer takes
I can
On Fri, Mar 9, 2012, at 08:47 PM, Lars Hansson wrote:
On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 8:33 PM, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff czark...@gmail.com
wrote:
So you state that the fact that if one chooses to use the whole disk,
the whole disk is used needs further documentation?
Well, since this is the one of the
On Fri, Mar 9, 2012, at 01:33 PM, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff wrote:
On Fri, 2012-03-09 at 13:05 +0100, Benny Lofgren wrote:
On 2012-03-08 17.21, daniel holtzman wrote:
The installation routine has been thoughtfully designed and does exactly
as intended. OpenBSD caters to the craftsman, not the
On 07.03.2012 16:26, Leonardo Sabino dos Santos wrote:
Next, the
disk stuff comes up. A lot of partition information appears
on the
screen, followed by the question:
Use (W)hole disk or (E)dit the MBR?
[whole]
You need to read !!! All is explained in the sentence !
Sorry
to tell you that,
On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 3:08 AM, Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.dewrote:
* Leonardo Sabino dos Santos leonardo.sab...@gmail.com [2012-03-07
19:44]:
That being said, I think Dave understands the problem very well. That
is probably the most dangerous point in the installation. It's
* David Vasek va...@fido.cz [2012-03-07 18:56]:
what about this
Use (W)hole disk or (E)dit the MBR? [edit]
while the OP did make a mistake, he could modify the default to be
edit the MBR. so he would be forced to pay attention while staring at
the partition table. i would be paying
Somebody claiming to be Henning Brauer wrote:
* David Vasek va...@fido.cz [2012-03-07 18:56]:
what about this
Use (W)hole disk or (E)dit the MBR? [edit]
while the OP did make a mistake, he could modify the default to be
edit the MBR. so he would be forced to pay attention while
On Fri, Mar 09, 2012 at 07:26:30AM +0100, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff wrote:
On Thu, 2012-03-08 at 16:40 -0700, Barry Grumbine wrote:
Available disks are: sd0 sd1 sd2
Which one is the root disk? (or 'done') [sd0]
At this point I usually say oh crap, hit ^c, and go read the dmesg
or `disklabel
* Sean Howard sil...@callysto.com [2012-03-09 19:56]:
It seems that enter was pushed (in this case) in an effort to scroll up.
sorry, but that is absurd. where does enter scroll up? do we need to
protect power- and reset-buttons as well because someone might push
them to scroll up?
i hope obama
* Marcos Bento Luna marcoz.l...@gmail.com [2012-03-08 03:07]:
But I wasnt careless, and choose the
custom layout option. However, the next step wasn't very
practical for a newbie like me to easily visualize what exactly
I had to do, how to do it and where it would be made.
see, imo our
Henning Brauer wrote [2012-03-09 20:51+0100]:
i hope obama never tries to scroll up. that red shiny button...
Sorry, but that knocked me out.
Good night.
--steffen
Benny Lofgren wrote:
On 2012-03-08 17.21, daniel holtzman wrote:
The installation routine has been thoughtfully designed and does exactly
as intended. OpenBSD caters to the craftsman, not the casual user. If a
user is not committed to a high level of responsibility (and freedom),
install-time
On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 08:24:31PM +0100, Benny Lofgren wrote:
On 2012-03-07 17.23, Dennis den Brok wrote:
On 2012-03-07, Raimo Niskanen raimo+open...@erix.ericsson.se wrote:
So I think a pronounced confirmation question before touching the disk
is not a bad thing. It is what many would
On Wed, 2012-03-07 at 16:23 +, Dennis den Brok wrote:
As there seems to be much resistance to one more (redundant) question
in the installer, I suggest to add a simple message to that part
of the installer, as in
(Choosing 'whole disk' will become effective immediately.)
or even
On Wed, 2012-03-07 at 23:06 -0300, Marcos Bento Luna wrote:
...Ok, another try and I'm back staring
at the disk partitioning tool, however I cold not guess wich was
the correct partition I should select, because the information was
displayed in bytes, not GBs, and the
08 PP0QQP0 2012, 14:22 PQ Dmitrij D. Czarkoff czark...@gmail.com:
On Wed, 2012-03-07 at 16:23 +, Dennis den Brok wrote:
Use (W)hole disk (writes to disk immediately) or (E)dit the MBR? [whole]
While the FAQ is indeed clear, the installer's simplicity appears
at that point a little
On Thu, 08 Mar 2012 10:50:15 +0100
Dmitrij D. Czarkoff wrote:
Furthermore, the more chatty installer is, the less amount of
newcomers would be reading the messages.
I had a thought last night, how worrying that my mind jumped to OpenBSD
in front of the TV. It occurred to me that it wasn't too
On 03/08/12 06:48, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
On Thu, 08 Mar 2012 10:50:15 +0100
Dmitrij D. Czarkoff wrote:
Furthermore, the more chatty installer is, the less amount of
newcomers would be reading the messages.
I had a thought last night, how worrying that my mind jumped to OpenBSD
in front
It really is amazing how much the install is genuinely loved on
OpenBSD. I think there are other distributions out there where the
installer is liked or even praised, but I would describe my feelings
and what I see here as love. It is always a pleasure when I have the
chance to show someone the
whether
Use (W)hole disk or (E)dit the MBR? [whole]
or
Use (W)hole disk, use the (O)penBSD area, or (E)dit the MBR? [OpenBSD]
I would like empty in Square brackets[ ], user should input w/o/e here, only
Enter should do nothing but repeat last line.
On Thu, Mar 08, 2012 at 02:43:46PM +0400, Mo Libden wrote:
08 PP0QQP0 2012, 14:22 PQ Dmitrij D. Czarkoff czark...@gmail.com:
On Wed, 2012-03-07 at 16:23 +, Dennis den Brok wrote:
Use (W)hole disk (writes to disk immediately) or (E)dit the MBR?
[whole]
While the FAQ is indeed
The installation routine has been thoughtfully designed and does exactly
as intended. OpenBSD caters to the craftsman, not the casual user. If a
user is not committed to a high level of responsibility (and freedom),
install-time is a great time for a wake-up call. I doubt Leonardo will
make this
On Mar 08 07:20:56, Nick Holland wrote:
On 03/08/12 06:48, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
On Thu, 08 Mar 2012 10:50:15 +0100
Dmitrij D. Czarkoff wrote:
Furthermore, the more chatty installer is, the less amount of
newcomers would be reading the messages.
I had a thought last night, how
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 3:18 AM, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff czark...@gmail.com wrote:
Though OpenBSD installer is not the main feature of OpenBSD for me (it
is only used to install OS anyway), I wouldn't like it to change in any
way now, as I just can't think of a way to make it better.
Sorry, hate
On Thu, Mar 08, 2012 at 04:40:47PM -0700, Barry Grumbine wrote:
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 3:18 AM, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff czark...@gmail.com
wrote:
Though OpenBSD installer is not the main feature of OpenBSD for me (it
is only used to install OS anyway), I wouldn't like it to change in any
way
On 07/03/12 15:27 +0100, Leonardo Sabino dos Santos wrote:
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Russell Garrison
russell.garri...@gmail.com wrote:
I am absolutely intrigued by this story despite my better judgement.
You were able to cook your own full OpenBSD installer on a USB stick
with GRUB
On Thu, Mar 08, 2012, Kenneth R Westerback wrote:
On Thu, Mar 08, 2012 at 04:40:47PM -0700, Barry Grumbine wrote:
Available disks are: sd0 sd1 sd2
Which one is the root disk? (or 'done') [sd0]
At this point I usually say oh crap, hit ^c, and go read the dmesg
or `disklabel sd1` to make sure
On Thu, 2012-03-08 at 16:40 -0700, Barry Grumbine wrote:
Available disks are: sd0 sd1 sd2
Which one is the root disk? (or 'done') [sd0]
At this point I usually say oh crap, hit ^c, and go read the dmesg
or `disklabel sd1` to make sure I pick the right disk.
That's interesting, as for me
That's interesting, as for me bsd.rd only creates sd0, so I have to find
the right sdN in dmesg and then cd /dev; sh MAKEDEV sdN if I want to
install OS there...
as somebody else said the easiest thing is to use whatever fdisk you prefer
and make an OpenBSD partition before starting the OBSD
Hi,
I want to tell you about my experience with OpenBSD.
I'm a Linux user, but have always wanted to try OpenBSD. The last time
I'd tried installing it was version 4.6 and I didn't get very far.
That version wouldn't install on my notebook at all. The kernel
couldn't recognise my hard drive
On Wed, 2012-03-07 at 13:26 +0100, Leonardo Sabino dos Santos wrote:
Next, the disk stuff comes up. A lot of partition information appears
on the screen, followed by the question:
Use (W)hole disk or (E)dit the MBR? [whole]
At this point I'm actually trying to remember if there's a way
On 03/07/2012 02:26 PM, Leonardo Sabino dos Santos wrote:
[rant...]
Distributing an installation program that can wipe out the user's hard
disk instantly on a single wrong keystroke, without so much as a
confirmation prompt is so shortsighted and irresponsible that I can
barely believe it.
On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 01:26:41PM +0100, Leonardo Sabino dos Santos wrote:
Next, the disk stuff comes up. A lot of partition information appears
on the screen, followed by the question:
Use (W)hole disk or (E)dit the MBR? [whole]
At this point I'm actually trying to remember if there's
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 8:26 PM, Leonardo Sabino dos Santos
leonardo.sab...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm a Linux user, but have always wanted to try OpenBSD. The last time
I'd tried installing it was version 4.6 and I didn't get very far.
That version wouldn't install on my notebook at all. The kernel
Leonardo Sabino dos Santos wrote:
I want to tell you about my experience with OpenBSD.
It seems that you need to get some experience and then talk about it.
You have none yet in the area you promote, so why should I be
interested about nothing ?
[ put here the experience ]
To talk about
You just cut yourself in the shark tank. Good luck.
07.03.12, 07:31, Leonardo Sabino dos Santos leonardo.sab...@gmail.com:
Hi,
I want to tell you about my experience with OpenBSD.
I'm a Linux user, but have always wanted to try OpenBSD. The last time
I'd tried installing it was
07 PP0QQP0 2012, 16:31 PQ Leonardo Sabino dos Santos
leonardo.sab...@gmail.com:
I start answering the installer's questions. Keyboard layout. Root
password. Configuration of network interfaces. I'm not actually paying
a whole lot of attention to the questions as this is just a test
I am absolutely intrigued by this story despite my better judgement.
You were able to cook your own full OpenBSD installer on a USB stick
with GRUB instead of downloading an ISO or using PXE, but you failed
disk setup in the installer? It really would be interesting to see if
you can read just
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff czark...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wed, 2012-03-07 at 13:26 +0100, Leonardo Sabino dos Santos wrote:
Next, the disk stuff comes up. A lot of partition information appears
on the screen, followed by the question:
Use (W)hole disk or (E)dit the
On 2012 Mar 07 (Wed) at 13:26:41 +0100 (+0100), Leonardo Sabino dos Santos
wrote:
...
:I'm not actually paying
:a whole lot of attention to the questions as this is just a test
:installation and I figure I can always explore and configure the
:system later.
:
You should always pay attention to
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Leonardo Sabino dos Santos
leonardo.sab...@gmail.com wrote:
I pressed Enter by mistake there (and realized my mistake a couple of
seconds too late). The kind of confirmation I expected is something
like: This will erase all partitions, are you sure (y/n)?,
What
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Leonardo Sabino dos Santos
leonardo.sab...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Zak Elep zak.e...@orangeandbronze.com
wrote:
Too bad, a thorough reading of FAQ Chapter 4[0] could have saved you a
LOT of trouble.
[0]:
And you didn't read the FAQ because?
The OpenBSD Installation Guide is easily found at
http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq4.html
People wrote this documentation so other people would actually read it and
not have your unfortunate experience.
Your inability or unwillingness to do your homework before
On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 03:04:33PM +0100, Christer Solskogen wrote:
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Leonardo Sabino dos Santos
leonardo.sab...@gmail.com wrote:
I pressed Enter by mistake there (and realized my mistake a couple of
seconds too late). The kind of confirmation I expected is
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Russell Garrison
russell.garri...@gmail.com wrote:
I am absolutely intrigued by this story despite my better judgement.
You were able to cook your own full OpenBSD installer on a USB stick
with GRUB instead of downloading an ISO or using PXE, but you failed
disk
So I downloaded all the package files, wrote them to a USB stick,
created a bootable image with GRUB, booted into the OpenBSD installer
and off we go. Now, this computer already had Windows 7 and Linux,
plus about 16 GB of unpartitioned space where OpenBSD is going. It's
actually the same
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 6:26 AM, Leonardo Sabino dos Santos
leonardo.sab...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I want to tell you about my experience with OpenBSD.
I'm a Linux user, but have always wanted to try OpenBSD. The last time
I'd tried installing it was version 4.6 and I didn't get very far.
That
So I think a pronounced confirmation question before touching the disk
is not a bad thing. It is what many would expect.
I didn't know that the devs were in the business of holding hands.
OpenBSD has the best installer of any OS, hands down. It's tiny,
scriptable, to the point, and does
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Leonardo Sabino dos Santos
leonardo.sab...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I want to tell you about my experience with OpenBSD.
I'm a Linux user, but have always wanted to try OpenBSD. The last time
I'd tried installing it was version 4.6 and I didn't get very far.
That
On 2012-03-07, Leonardo Sabino dos Santos leonardo.sab...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff czark...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wed, 2012-03-07 at 13:26 +0100, Leonardo Sabino dos Santos wrote:
Next, the disk stuff comes up. A lot of partition information appears
On Wed, 2012-03-07 at 15:27 +0100, Leonardo Sabino dos Santos wrote:
Then again, partitioning your disk is a bit more serious than What's
your hostname? or What time zone are you in?. Maybe that one
question deserves an extra confirmation, or a less dangerous default.
Sorry, but you wrote that
On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 03:57:10PM +0100, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff wrote:
On Wed, 2012-03-07 at 15:27 +0100, Leonardo Sabino dos Santos wrote:
Then again, partitioning your disk is a bit more serious than What's
your hostname? or What time zone are you in?. Maybe that one
question deserves an
Distributing an installation program that can wipe out the user's hard
disk instantly on a single wrong keystroke, without so much as a
confirmation prompt is so shortsighted and irresponsible that I can
barely believe it.
Doing an installation on a machine that you obviously care about, with
On 03/07/2012 07:26 AM, Leonardo Sabino dos Santos wrote:
Hi,
I want to tell you about my experience with OpenBSD.
I'm a Linux user, but have always wanted to try OpenBSD. The last time
I'd tried installing it was version 4.6 and I didn't get very far.
That version wouldn't install on my
On Wed, 2012-03-07 at 14:49 +0100, Leonardo Sabino dos Santos wrote:
I pressed Enter by mistake there (and realized my mistake a couple of
seconds too late). The kind of confirmation I expected is something
like: This will erase all partitions, are you sure (y/n)?, or an
opportunity to review
On Wed, 7 Mar 2012, Stuart Henderson wrote:
On 2012-03-07, Leonardo Sabino dos Santos leonardo.sab...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff czark...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wed, 2012-03-07 at 13:26 +0100, Leonardo Sabino dos Santos wrote:
Next, the disk stuff comes
On 2012-03-07, Raimo Niskanen raimo+open...@erix.ericsson.se wrote:
I just want to defend the OP a wee bit.
Most installers I have encountered; Linux, FreeBSD, ... have a
very pronounced confirmation question just before making irreversible
changes to the target disk. Especially the ones that
On Wednesday 07 March 2012 15:27:51 Leonardo Sabino dos Santos wrote:
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Russell Garrison
russell.garri...@gmail.com wrote:
I am absolutely intrigued by this story despite my better judgement.
You were able to cook your own full OpenBSD installer on a USB stick
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Dennis den Brok d.den.b...@uni-bonn.de wrote:
On 2012-03-07, Raimo Niskanen raimo+open...@erix.ericsson.se wrote:
I just want to defend the OP a wee bit.
Most installers I have encountered; Linux, FreeBSD, ... have a
very pronounced confirmation question just
B Use (W)hole disk or (E)dit the MBR? [whole]
You should certainly try Ctrl-C, Esc, Ctrl-alt-del, power switch and
never enter in order to not do something.
Taking the situation of the cat jumping on the keyboard and you may
have an argument except you do have to hit [I] for install first and
Partitioning the disk is not irreversible. Use the Symantek/Norton
utilities and it will make guesses and try to find Windows partitions.
Once the newfs (formatting) starts, that's fairly irreversible.
Alan
On Wed, 7 Mar 2012, Dave Anderson wrote:
On Wed, 7 Mar 2012, Stuart Henderson
While the FAQ is indeed clear, the installer's simplicity appears
at that point a little deceptive, in that one (I know I was) is
tempted to think that such a user-friendly installer would not harm
one so easily...
I disagree. I think the installer is fine the way it is and it was not
the problem
Multi boot systems are definitely more risky to assemble; I prefer use of
VM's instead.
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Donald Allen donaldcal...@gmail.comwrote:
While the FAQ is indeed clear, the installer's simplicity appears
at that point a little deceptive, in that one (I know I was) is
On Wed, 7 Mar 2012, Donald Allen wrote:
While the FAQ is indeed clear, the installer's simplicity appears
at that point a little deceptive, in that one (I know I was) is
tempted to think that such a user-friendly installer would not harm
one so easily...
I disagree. I think the installer is
David Vasek wrote:
Except that the equipment shoudn't direct people to behave in such a
disasterous way. And this the case.
This is not the case, don't be ridiculous. There is not a disaster if
you wipe out your hardisk by mistake.
I think you got it wrong here. The developer can put anything he
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 11:19 AM, David Vasek va...@fido.cz wrote:
On Wed, 7 Mar 2012, Donald Allen wrote:
While the FAQ is indeed clear, the installer's simplicity appears
at that point a little deceptive, in that one (I know I was) is
tempted to think that such a user-friendly installer
On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 02:49:01PM +0100, Leonardo Sabino dos Santos wrote:
Sorry about the tone earlier, but I'm still incredulous that the
install program would do something as serious as overwriting the
partition table by default without confirmation.
An installation of an unknown OS, with
Dmitrij D. Czarkoff czark...@gmail.com writes:
OpenBSD installer should be tuned so that hitting [Enter] all the way
gets you to a bootable system without side effects
My typical install is almost all hitting Enter (with a couple of obvious
exceptions9, and it ends with a bootable and very
On Wed, 7 Mar 2012, Amit Kulkarni wrote:
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 11:19 AM, David Vasek va...@fido.cz wrote:
On Wed, 7 Mar 2012, Donald Allen wrote:
While the FAQ is indeed clear, the installer's simplicity appears
at that point a little deceptive, in that one (I know I was) is
tempted to
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 12:19 PM, David Vasek va...@fido.cz wrote:
On Wed, 7 Mar 2012, Donald Allen wrote:
While the FAQ is indeed clear, the installer's simplicity appears
at that point a little deceptive, in that one (I know I was) is
tempted to think that such a user-friendly installer
gawd no
it is bad enough I live in a f%*kn' nanny state country, don't
turn my favorite OS into Linux.
when I need my hand held I'll ask my wife to hold mine.
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Dave Anderson d...@daveanderson.com wrote:
To be fair (which is a bit difficult given the tone of the original
message) he has identified what may be the only place in the install
process where a single wrong keystroke can do major damage. Everyplace
else I can
On 03/07/2012 12:55 PM, David Vasek wrote:
On Wed, 7 Mar 2012, Amit Kulkarni wrote:
...
Use (W)hole disk or (E)dit the MBR? [edit]
while the OP did make a mistake, he could modify the default to be
edit the MBR. so he would be forced to pay attention while staring at
the partition table. i
Somebody claiming to be Leonardo Sabino dos Santos wrote:
I have to apologize to everyone on this list for the tone of that
first message. I was angry and venting, and I apologize if it offended
anyone. I understand that the installer works the way it does because
that's what's useful to the
On 2012-03-07 17.23, Dennis den Brok wrote:
On 2012-03-07, Raimo Niskanen raimo+open...@erix.ericsson.se wrote:
So I think a pronounced confirmation question before touching the disk
is not a bad thing. It is what many would expect.
As there seems to be much resistance to one more (redundant)
On 03/07/2012 07:26, Leonardo Sabino dos Santos wrote:
Hi,
I joined this mailing list just to tell you this: Right now, I feel
like never, ever touching OpenBSD with a ten-foot pole again.
A couple of years ago I decided to get back into computing and built a
box. I have run through many of
Let's all step back a moment: Leonardo is neither the first nor will he
be the last person to be bitten by something in OpenBSD. I say we tell
him we are sorry for his troubles, giggle a little bit, give him a
hearty pat on the back, and shout,
Welcome to the elite community of OpenBSD users!
I agree with Holtzman's sentiment, the OP should consider himself lucky
that he hit a struggling point as early as he did, lest he hit a much
bigger first brick wall later down the road. Now he has the benefit of
respecting the OS while still getting a feel for it.
On Mar 7, 2012 3:21 PM, daniel
On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 13:52:45 -0500
Sean Howard wrote:
This error is the best error you can make. Keeps you respecting your system
and your own ability to control it.
Leonardo, have you ever started zeroing the wrong /dev/ with dd yet?
Backup everything important and hope it saves you more
On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 07:41:47PM +0100, Leonardo Sabino dos Santos wrote:
I also agree with those who pointed out that doing experimental OS
installs on a machine you care about is not a particularly smart thing
to do.
It's also fairly stupid to ever do an install without first backing up
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