Re: Vultr has all blacklisted IP's for email

2018-12-19 Thread Flipchan
the site is: openbsd.amsterdam

On December 20, 2018 3:33:42 AM GMT+02:00, Chris Bennett 
 wrote:
>On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 01:55:32AM +0200, Flipchan wrote:
>> Poke vultr about it , if its not good, just switch provider ( openbsd
>amsterdam?))
>> 
>
>They say it's my fault and that they have spent a tremendous amount of
>time trying to get me off of the blacklist. (exaggeration included on
>purpose).
>
>As you can see below, I guess it is all my fault.
>I'm just going to put the DNS records back to where they were before.
>What's the website for OpenBSD Amsterdam?
>
>Looks like I may just have to move my server from the USA to the not
>USA. Why is such a simple thing as a server so hard to get???
>
>Fun Fun Fun entered below:
>---
>Information about 108.61.242.230
>
>Below is the information we have on record about 108.61.242.230
>Standards Compliance
>
>Does IP Address resolve to a reverse hostname... Passed!
>
>Does IP Address comply with reverse hostname naming convention...
>Passed!
>List Status
>
>RATS-Dyna - On the list. Worst Offender Alert.
>
>RATS-NoPtr - Not on the list.
>
>RATS-Spam - Not on the list.
>
>RATS-Auth - Not on the list.
>Alert: Your IP is part of a network listed as a Worst Offender
>
>This is a Worst Offender Alert and this means that not only this IP
>address,
>but the whole class 'C' is also on the indicated SpamRats List.
>Usually this means the whole range has the same issue of naming
>conventions or
>no reverse DNS AND that many IP's from this Class C have been used in
>Spam Attacks,
>Dictionary attacks or other forms of attacks, as detected by Mail
>Servers in the
>Data Collection Grid. You will NOT be able to use the removal form to
>remove your
>IP Addresses. If you have recently been assigned the IP Addresses, or
>have changed
>what these IP Addresses are used for, you can use the contact form and
>ask for a
>reclassification, but you will have to provide full disclosure,
>including whois for
>the ip addresses, your affiliation with the company that owns them, and
>a description
>of what the IP's were previously used for, and what they will be used
>for, in order
>for a Spam Auditor to consider reclassification. Remember, the majority
>of the IP's
>in this space WERE detected as being involved in some form of attack or
>abusive
>behaviour, so you had better have a good reason to ask for removal, and
>you need to
>own or control the IP addresses, as evidenced by ARIN whois.
>
>-
>2nd IP is blacklisted on 7 lists.
>
>I'm sure they can quickly fix this too!
>
>Chris
>
>
>
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Re: Vultr has all blacklisted IP's for email

2018-12-19 Thread Matt Schwartz
I'll say this, man. I really don't like Vultr. I just have a 150.00
credit to burn with them. Once that's done, I'll be making other
arrangements. My guess is you really did nothing wrong and Vultr's sys
admins are just lame.

On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 8:34 PM Chris Bennett
 wrote:
>
> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 01:55:32AM +0200, Flipchan wrote:
> > Poke vultr about it , if its not good, just switch provider ( openbsd 
> > amsterdam?))
> >
>
> They say it's my fault and that they have spent a tremendous amount of
> time trying to get me off of the blacklist. (exaggeration included on
> purpose).
>
> As you can see below, I guess it is all my fault.
> I'm just going to put the DNS records back to where they were before.
> What's the website for OpenBSD Amsterdam?
>
> Looks like I may just have to move my server from the USA to the not
> USA. Why is such a simple thing as a server so hard to get???
>
> Fun Fun Fun entered below:
> ---
> Information about 108.61.242.230
>
> Below is the information we have on record about 108.61.242.230
> Standards Compliance
>
> Does IP Address resolve to a reverse hostname... Passed!
>
> Does IP Address comply with reverse hostname naming convention... Passed!
> List Status
>
> RATS-Dyna - On the list. Worst Offender Alert.
>
> RATS-NoPtr - Not on the list.
>
> RATS-Spam - Not on the list.
>
> RATS-Auth - Not on the list.
> Alert: Your IP is part of a network listed as a Worst Offender
>
> This is a Worst Offender Alert and this means that not only this IP address,
> but the whole class 'C' is also on the indicated SpamRats List.
> Usually this means the whole range has the same issue of naming conventions or
> no reverse DNS AND that many IP's from this Class C have been used in Spam 
> Attacks,
> Dictionary attacks or other forms of attacks, as detected by Mail Servers in 
> the
> Data Collection Grid. You will NOT be able to use the removal form to remove 
> your
> IP Addresses. If you have recently been assigned the IP Addresses, or have 
> changed
> what these IP Addresses are used for, you can use the contact form and ask 
> for a
> reclassification, but you will have to provide full disclosure, including 
> whois for
> the ip addresses, your affiliation with the company that owns them, and a 
> description
> of what the IP's were previously used for, and what they will be used for, in 
> order
> for a Spam Auditor to consider reclassification. Remember, the majority of 
> the IP's
> in this space WERE detected as being involved in some form of attack or 
> abusive
> behaviour, so you had better have a good reason to ask for removal, and you 
> need to
> own or control the IP addresses, as evidenced by ARIN whois.
>
> -
> 2nd IP is blacklisted on 7 lists.
>
> I'm sure they can quickly fix this too!
>
> Chris
>
>
>
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Re: Vultr has all blacklisted IP's for email

2018-12-19 Thread Chris Bennett
On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 01:55:32AM +0200, Flipchan wrote:
> Poke vultr about it , if its not good, just switch provider ( openbsd 
> amsterdam?))
> 

They say it's my fault and that they have spent a tremendous amount of
time trying to get me off of the blacklist. (exaggeration included on
purpose).

As you can see below, I guess it is all my fault.
I'm just going to put the DNS records back to where they were before.
What's the website for OpenBSD Amsterdam?

Looks like I may just have to move my server from the USA to the not
USA. Why is such a simple thing as a server so hard to get???

Fun Fun Fun entered below:
---
Information about 108.61.242.230

Below is the information we have on record about 108.61.242.230
Standards Compliance

Does IP Address resolve to a reverse hostname... Passed!

Does IP Address comply with reverse hostname naming convention... Passed!
List Status

RATS-Dyna - On the list. Worst Offender Alert.

RATS-NoPtr - Not on the list.

RATS-Spam - Not on the list.

RATS-Auth - Not on the list.
Alert: Your IP is part of a network listed as a Worst Offender

This is a Worst Offender Alert and this means that not only this IP address,
but the whole class 'C' is also on the indicated SpamRats List.
Usually this means the whole range has the same issue of naming conventions or
no reverse DNS AND that many IP's from this Class C have been used in Spam 
Attacks,
Dictionary attacks or other forms of attacks, as detected by Mail Servers in the
Data Collection Grid. You will NOT be able to use the removal form to remove 
your
IP Addresses. If you have recently been assigned the IP Addresses, or have 
changed
what these IP Addresses are used for, you can use the contact form and ask for a
reclassification, but you will have to provide full disclosure, including whois 
for
the ip addresses, your affiliation with the company that owns them, and a 
description
of what the IP's were previously used for, and what they will be used for, in 
order
for a Spam Auditor to consider reclassification. Remember, the majority of the 
IP's
in this space WERE detected as being involved in some form of attack or abusive
behaviour, so you had better have a good reason to ask for removal, and you 
need to
own or control the IP addresses, as evidenced by ARIN whois.

-
2nd IP is blacklisted on 7 lists.

I'm sure they can quickly fix this too!

Chris



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Re: Vultr has all blacklisted IP's for email

2018-12-19 Thread Flipchan
Poke vultr about it , if its not good, just switch provider ( openbsd 
amsterdam?))

On December 19, 2018 11:09:16 PM GMT+02:00, Chris Bennett 
 wrote:
>I was very happy with what I got for a baremetal server at Vultr.
>Unfortunately, even after getting a second IP that was not from the
>same
>range as the first one, all of these IP ranges, not single IP's, are
>blacklisted in the worst category.
>If you want a web/etc server, great.
>If you want anything to do with email, forget them.
>Shame. I need another baremetal that doesn't have Java KVM.
>Any recommendations?
>
>Thanks. Looks like anything related to Cloud may be a problem???
>
>Chris Bennett
>
>
>
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Re: Vultr has all blacklisted IP's for email

2018-12-19 Thread Chris Bennett
On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 09:58:54PM +, Charles Collicutt wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 01:41:40PM -0800, Chris Bennett wrote:
> > On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 10:16:22PM +0100, Joel Carnat wrote:
> > > I’ve just checked mine and it’s 100% non-blacklisted, according to 
> > > mxtoolbox.
> > > And, so far, I don’t have any issues sending/receiving mail.
> > 
> > I really must have workable email and baremetal
> 
> Maybe it is a baremetal versus VPS thing? Like others here, I have been
> running a mail server on Vultr VPS for years without problems.
> 

I was wondering the same thing. Baremetal for them is new and maybe they
haven't worked out the bugs and procedures for that yet?

If that's the case, any suggestions on a good way to word the
conversation? I tend to come across as a bit rude by accident.

Chris Bennett



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Re: Vultr has all blacklisted IP's for email

2018-12-19 Thread Chris Bennett
On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 04:46:17PM -0500, Implausibility wrote:
> Vultr specifically blocks mail-specific ports in an attempt to keep their 
> network free of spam.  You can ask them to enable eMail ports on your VMs, 
> 

Yes, I spoke to them about the problem before grabbing an additional IP
address. They said they would try to get the original IP un-blacklisted.
That did not happen, unfortunately.

They now also offer one model of bare metal, which is not a VM. I
specifically need a single dedicated server for what I am doing.
The work I'm doing is all situated inside of the USA, so something
locally oriented is a better choice for me.

My email ports are open, as I can send mail back and forth with my other
server.

Thanks,
Chris Bennett



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Re: Vultr has all blacklisted IP's for email

2018-12-19 Thread Charles Collicutt
On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 01:41:40PM -0800, Chris Bennett wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 10:16:22PM +0100, Joel Carnat wrote:
> > I’ve just checked mine and it’s 100% non-blacklisted, according to 
> > mxtoolbox.
> > And, so far, I don’t have any issues sending/receiving mail.
> 
> I really must have workable email and baremetal

Maybe it is a baremetal versus VPS thing? Like others here, I have been
running a mail server on Vultr VPS for years without problems.

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Re: Vultr has all blacklisted IP's for email

2018-12-19 Thread Joel Carnat
I own a VPS located in France.

> Le 19 déc. 2018 à 22:41, Chris Bennett  a écrit 
> :
> 
> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 10:16:22PM +0100, Joel Carnat wrote:
>> I’ve just checked mine and it’s 100% non-blacklisted, according to mxtoolbox.
>> And, so far, I don’t have any issues sending/receiving mail.
>> 
> 
> I really must have workable email and baremetal
> 
> Right now the second IP I requested is 45.76.27.230
> This is much worse than the first one I also have which is
> 108.61.242.230
> 
> I am using a server in Chicago. Where is yours located?
> Maybe the location is related?
> 
> Other than this problem, I am quite happy. If I can solve this, I will
> move off of my other server, which is stuck on crappy Java KVM.
> I don't have any problem with another location.
> 
> Chris Bennett
> 
> 



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Re: Vultr has all blacklisted IP's for email

2018-12-19 Thread Implausibility
Vultr specifically blocks mail-specific ports in an attempt to keep their 
network free of spam.  You can ask them to enable eMail ports on your VMs, 

> On Dec 19, 2018, at 4:09 PM, Chris Bennett  
> wrote:
> 
> I was very happy with what I got for a baremetal server at Vultr.
> Unfortunately, even after getting a second IP that was not from the same
> range as the first one, all of these IP ranges, not single IP's, are
> blacklisted in the worst category.
> If you want a web/etc server, great.
> If you want anything to do with email, forget them.
> Shame. I need another baremetal that doesn't have Java KVM.
> Any recommendations?
> 
> Thanks. Looks like anything related to Cloud may be a problem???
> 
> Chris Bennett
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Vultr has all blacklisted IP's for email

2018-12-19 Thread Chris Bennett
On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 10:16:22PM +0100, Joel Carnat wrote:
> I’ve just checked mine and it’s 100% non-blacklisted, according to mxtoolbox.
> And, so far, I don’t have any issues sending/receiving mail.
> 

I really must have workable email and baremetal
 
Right now the second IP I requested is 45.76.27.230
This is much worse than the first one I also have which is
108.61.242.230

I am using a server in Chicago. Where is yours located?
Maybe the location is related?

Other than this problem, I am quite happy. If I can solve this, I will
move off of my other server, which is stuck on crappy Java KVM.
I don't have any problem with another location.

Chris Bennett



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Re: Vultr has all blacklisted IP's for email

2018-12-19 Thread Matt Schwartz
I don't have any issue either. One thing you could do is use a mail relay
service like Mailjet. I do this because they offer dkim and spf for free.

On Wed, Dec 19, 2018, 4:16 PM Joel Carnat  I’ve just checked mine and it’s 100% non-blacklisted, according to
> mxtoolbox.
> And, so far, I don’t have any issues sending/receiving mail.
>
> > Le 19 déc. 2018 à 22:09, Chris Bennett  a
> écrit :
> >
> > I was very happy with what I got for a baremetal server at Vultr.
> > Unfortunately, even after getting a second IP that was not from the same
> > range as the first one, all of these IP ranges, not single IP's, are
> > blacklisted in the worst category.
> > If you want a web/etc server, great.
> > If you want anything to do with email, forget them.
> > Shame. I need another baremetal that doesn't have Java KVM.
> > Any recommendations?
> >
> > Thanks. Looks like anything related to Cloud may be a problem???
> >
> > Chris Bennett
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Vultr has all blacklisted IP's for email

2018-12-19 Thread Joel Carnat
I’ve just checked mine and it’s 100% non-blacklisted, according to mxtoolbox.
And, so far, I don’t have any issues sending/receiving mail.

> Le 19 déc. 2018 à 22:09, Chris Bennett  a écrit 
> :
> 
> I was very happy with what I got for a baremetal server at Vultr.
> Unfortunately, even after getting a second IP that was not from the same
> range as the first one, all of these IP ranges, not single IP's, are
> blacklisted in the worst category.
> If you want a web/etc server, great.
> If you want anything to do with email, forget them.
> Shame. I need another baremetal that doesn't have Java KVM.
> Any recommendations?
> 
> Thanks. Looks like anything related to Cloud may be a problem???
> 
> Chris Bennett
> 
> 
> 
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