[mochikit] Re: 1.4, again
That begs the question, what's required of a release manager for MK? On Oct 29, 4:23 pm, Bob Ippolito [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's no need to fork the project, I would gladly hand over SVN access to someone who wants to step up as a release manager. -bob --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MochiKit group. To post to this group, send email to mochikit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/mochikit?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[mochikit] Re: 1.4, again
A release manager would be responsible for deciding when to do releases, as well as to make sure everything is up to snuff... which would probably mean that they'd spend a lot of their time reviewing code and docs, probably fixing some of it personally (especially docs). I think we're pretty solid on most things, but all of the new stuff still needs work (Selector, and the Scriptaculous stuff). I'm tempted to do a release without those things, but it seems that most people are using one or the other by now so that's not really an option. I've had a couple people express interest so far, but I'm in Seoul right now for a conference and I'm having a hard enough time keeping up with work stuff so I will probably get to that in a week or two after I get back to SF. -bob On 11/7/07, JonR800 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That begs the question, what's required of a release manager for MK? On Oct 29, 4:23 pm, Bob Ippolito [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's no need to fork the project, I would gladly hand over SVN access to someone who wants to step up as a release manager. -bob --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MochiKit group. To post to this group, send email to mochikit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/mochikit?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[mochikit] Re: 1.4, again
There's no need to fork the project, I would gladly hand over SVN access to someone who wants to step up as a release manager. -bob On 10/29/07, gsteff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't use Mochikit, but like the library, and check in on the newsgroup now and then. If a lot of people want to see new features added to Mochikit, or at least an acknowledgement that the new features already added are stable (via a new release), the normal solution I think is for someone to fork the project. Greg On Oct 17, 11:58 am, Arnar Birgisson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/17/07, Jonathan Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 16, 3:20 pm, Arnar Birgisson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most people are in one of two situations: 1. Already using MK. If it's working and you're happy with it, why do you need a release? If it is not, a release won't help much. That's the thing, the cutting edge is a moving target and those of us who started using MK 1+ years ago have seen our requirements get steeper but MK not keep pace. So a lot of us are in the position of it's working, we have code invested in it, but we're NOT really happy with it anymore. Sadly, that's always a danger when investing in software, free or not. I've on many occasions been in the situations where there was even a support contract in place. The good thing about open source is that in that case you are able to extend it with the things you need (or pay someone to do it). Before you start frothing at the mouth, I'm not claiming Bob or you or anyone else owes me anything. My apologies, I regret that the tone in my previous post implied that I thought so. I just felt we were going in circles discussing the same thing over and over. Although a little communication is kind of an implicit obligation when you take something like this public, it's not hard to tell what it means in this case. Absolutely, and I believe that obligation has been met by the MK maintainers (btw I don't consider myself one of them). cheers, Arnar --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MochiKit group. To post to this group, send email to mochikit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/mochikit?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[mochikit] Re: 1.4, again
I don't use Mochikit, but like the library, and check in on the newsgroup now and then. If a lot of people want to see new features added to Mochikit, or at least an acknowledgement that the new features already added are stable (via a new release), the normal solution I think is for someone to fork the project. Greg On Oct 17, 11:58 am, Arnar Birgisson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/17/07, Jonathan Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 16, 3:20 pm, Arnar Birgisson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most people are in one of two situations: 1. Already using MK. If it's working and you're happy with it, why do you need a release? If it is not, a release won't help much. That's the thing, the cutting edge is a moving target and those of us who started using MK 1+ years ago have seen our requirements get steeper but MK not keep pace. So a lot of us are in the position of it's working, we have code invested in it, but we're NOT really happy with it anymore. Sadly, that's always a danger when investing in software, free or not. I've on many occasions been in the situations where there was even a support contract in place. The good thing about open source is that in that case you are able to extend it with the things you need (or pay someone to do it). Before you start frothing at the mouth, I'm not claiming Bob or you or anyone else owes me anything. My apologies, I regret that the tone in my previous post implied that I thought so. I just felt we were going in circles discussing the same thing over and over. Although a little communication is kind of an implicit obligation when you take something like this public, it's not hard to tell what it means in this case. Absolutely, and I believe that obligation has been met by the MK maintainers (btw I don't consider myself one of them). cheers, Arnar --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MochiKit group. To post to this group, send email to mochikit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/mochikit?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[mochikit] Re: 1.4, again
On Oct 16, 3:20 pm, Arnar Birgisson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most people are in one of two situations: 1. Already using MK. If it's working and you're happy with it, why do you need a release? If it is not, a release won't help much. That's the thing, the cutting edge is a moving target and those of us who started using MK 1+ years ago have seen our requirements get steeper but MK not keep pace. So a lot of us are in the position of it's working, we have code invested in it, but we're NOT really happy with it anymore. Before you start frothing at the mouth, I'm not claiming Bob or you or anyone else owes me anything. Although a little communication is kind of an implicit obligation when you take something like this public, it's not hard to tell what it means in this case. -Jonathan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MochiKit group. To post to this group, send email to mochikit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/mochikit?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[mochikit] Re: 1.4, again
On 10/17/07, Jonathan Ellis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 16, 3:20 pm, Arnar Birgisson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most people are in one of two situations: 1. Already using MK. If it's working and you're happy with it, why do you need a release? If it is not, a release won't help much. That's the thing, the cutting edge is a moving target and those of us who started using MK 1+ years ago have seen our requirements get steeper but MK not keep pace. So a lot of us are in the position of it's working, we have code invested in it, but we're NOT really happy with it anymore. Sadly, that's always a danger when investing in software, free or not. I've on many occasions been in the situations where there was even a support contract in place. The good thing about open source is that in that case you are able to extend it with the things you need (or pay someone to do it). Before you start frothing at the mouth, I'm not claiming Bob or you or anyone else owes me anything. My apologies, I regret that the tone in my previous post implied that I thought so. I just felt we were going in circles discussing the same thing over and over. Although a little communication is kind of an implicit obligation when you take something like this public, it's not hard to tell what it means in this case. Absolutely, and I believe that obligation has been met by the MK maintainers (btw I don't consider myself one of them). cheers, Arnar --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MochiKit group. To post to this group, send email to mochikit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/mochikit?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[mochikit] Re: 1.4, again
On 10/16/07, Daniel Fetchinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Five months ago someone posted a list of blocking bugs: On May 15, 9:57 pm, sayrer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://trac.mochikit.com/ticket/113 http://trac.mochikit.com/ticket/226 http://trac.mochikit.com/ticket/228 http://trac.mochikit.com/ticket/241 http://trac.mochikit.com/ticket/248 All of these have been fixed but the last, which has been switched to priority:low. For those of us not running from svn, is a 1.4 release on the horizon? (Remembering that it was almost done a year ago.) Or has everyone switched to jquery? :) -Jonathan What's wrong with running from svn? For me it was very stable so far. Following on the recent thread about activity, it would probably be good publicity to throw out an official milestone. It's bordering on arrogant to assume that people who want to use MochiKit must be geeky enough to use SVN. Most javascripters aren't. -- troels --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MochiKit group. To post to this group, send email to mochikit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/mochikit?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[mochikit] Re: 1.4, again
On 10/16/07, troels knak-nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/16/07, Daniel Fetchinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Five months ago someone posted a list of blocking bugs: On May 15, 9:57 pm, sayrer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://trac.mochikit.com/ticket/113 http://trac.mochikit.com/ticket/226 http://trac.mochikit.com/ticket/228 http://trac.mochikit.com/ticket/241 http://trac.mochikit.com/ticket/248 All of these have been fixed but the last, which has been switched to priority:low. For those of us not running from svn, is a 1.4 release on the horizon? (Remembering that it was almost done a year ago.) Or has everyone switched to jquery? :) -Jonathan What's wrong with running from svn? For me it was very stable so far. Following on the recent thread about activity, it would probably be good publicity to throw out an official milestone. It's bordering on arrogant to assume that people who want to use MochiKit must be geeky enough to use SVN. Most javascripters aren't. I love how often this comes up and how often Bob explains what his interests are concerning this... Notwithstanding that, I wish someone would take care of officially releasing a 1.4 version. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MochiKit group. To post to this group, send email to mochikit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/mochikit?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[mochikit] Re: 1.4, again
On 10/16/07, troels knak-nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's bordering on arrogant to assume that people who want to use MochiKit must be geeky enough to use SVN. Most javascripters aren't. I find it no less arrogant to demand that other people devote alot of their time in maintaining free software, without getting anything in return. I sure as hell owe the MK developers alot already (or at least my employer does), so I don't dream of asking for anything more, seeing as I'm in the exact same position as Bob described: there's simply so much other more important (read paying) stuff going on. Most people are in one of two situations: 1. Already using MK. If it's working and you're happy with it, why do you need a release? If it is not, a release won't help much. 2. Looking for a JS library. If MK in it's current form does what you need, again - why do you want a release? If it doesn't, there are plenty of other good options. If you (not targeting Troels specifically, but the general reader) find that you want a release simply to get *other* people to use MK: If that is important to you, then you sound like the person that should be stepping up as a maintainer. Arnar --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MochiKit group. To post to this group, send email to mochikit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/mochikit?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
