Re: RFC: Apache::Carp - Error Handling under mod_perl

2000-11-30 Thread Gunther Birznieks
e: >* Can send e-mail notices - very useful for production servers. >* Displays complete call stack even for warns and dies. >* Displays user, host, remote_host, and referer (useful for email notices) > >On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Gunther Birznieks wrote: > > > Can you help by expl

Re: RFC: Apache::Carp - Error Handling under mod_perl

2000-11-30 Thread Gunther Birznieks
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Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 03:49 PM 12/5/00 +0100, Stas Bekman wrote: >Well as you've probably figured out, based on the load of email from me, >I've dropped my last job, in order to finally finish the mod_perl book, >have some rest and make a push to mod_perl. > >Yesterday I've updated the stats page: >http://perl.apach

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread Gunther Birznieks
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Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread Gunther Birznieks
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[OT] Starting a Company on OS [Was: mod_perl longevity] [Was: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection]

2000-12-05 Thread Gunther Birznieks
I thought I would change the topic yet again. :) At 02:58 PM 12/5/00 -0500, Ajit Deshpande wrote: >On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 11:34:49AM -0800, brian moseley wrote: > > i had lunch with doug and jon swartz not too long ago, > > talking about the possibility of starting a web application > > infrastr

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-05 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 01:25 PM 12/5/00 -0500, Thomas J. Mather wrote: >On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Michael Nachbaur wrote: > > >I guess what I'm getting at is that I hear a lot of marketing hype about >Java being a better "enterprise solution", but I'm curious as to what are >the purely technical reasons for using Java over

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 02:18 AM 12/6/2000 -0600, Dave Rolsky wrote: >On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Jim Woodgate wrote: > > > With a system like Tomcat running in a jvm outside of apache, you only > > have one jvm, and you get things like being able to share a cache > > between all sessions alot easier. > > >[snip] > > > > That

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-06 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 12:26 AM 12/6/2000 -0500, Chris Winters wrote: >And the perception out there, unlike with mod_perl, is that you don't >need to be a wizard to build such applications. Maybe that's because >there are more books, maybe that's because of the marketing machine, >maybe that's because IDEs will give

Re: eval statements in mod_perl

2000-12-07 Thread Gunther Birznieks
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Re: Smart installing (Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection)

2000-12-07 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 07:12 AM 12/7/00 -0500, barries wrote: >On Thu, Dec 07, 2000 at 12:30:53AM -0500, Marc Spitzer wrote: > > the only thing I would add is DBI and DBD:::CSV, > >No joins. Therefore not very useful. Actually joins are over-rated for most simple apps. It's very easy to make a calendar, address bo

Re: Alliance? WAS -> Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-07 Thread Gunther Birznieks
erl.apache.org/guide > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://apachetoday.com http://jazzvalley.com > > http://singlesheaven.com http://perl.apache.org http://perlmonth.com/ > > > >

Re: Certification

2000-12-07 Thread Gunther Birznieks
ecked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.215 / Virus Database: 101 - Release Date: 16/11/2000 > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL

[OT] Slow Mailing List

2000-12-07 Thread Gunther Birznieks
Now that traffic has increased on this list, I don't know if this is an illusion but it seems to take a really long time between the time I post a message and the mod_perl mailing list gets it back to me. - To unsubscribe, e-

Re: [certification]

2000-12-07 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 05:55 PM 12/7/00 -0600, Jimi Thompson wrote: >Geeks know its just paper and that paper three appropriate uses (for >writing on, paper >airplanes, and TP). Geeks know that paper doesn't pass for >credentials. The PHB's haven't You miss the point. It's not about credentials in a boolean sen

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection (and a proposal!)

2000-12-07 Thread Gunther Birznieks
terns type books purely > > because of the C++/Java bias. > >you sure are missing out. > > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ____

Re: [certification]

2000-12-07 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 06:30 PM 12/7/2000 -0800, Rob Tanner wrote: >--On Thursday, December 07, 2000 05:55:41 PM -0600 Jimi Thompson ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>See - I KNEW IT!!! >> >>You aren't a PHB. You have to look at this like a PHB. PHB's don't care >>if the >>paper means anything relevant. PHB's li

Re: [OT] Slow Mailing List

2000-12-07 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 10:20 PM 12/7/2000 -0800, Ask Bjoern Hansen wrote: >On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Jim Winstead wrote: > >[...] > > in the meantime, be patient. :) > >uhmn, it has been better the last days. Actually right now the turn >around time is back to a few minutes it seems like. > >if it's slow it's just to give

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-08 Thread Gunther Birznieks
e resumes the > > functionality but he has dissapeared since then. I'll try to reach him. > > > > _ > > Stas Bekman JAm_pH -- Just Another mod_perl Hacker > > http://stason.org/

RE: [certification]

2000-12-08 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 09:39 AM 12/8/00 -0600, Hill, David T - Belo Corporate wrote: >-Original Message- >From: Gunther Birznieks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >"Obviously they still have to be technically interviewed, but in lieu of >someone with or without certification, it's ea

Re: mod_perl training (was Re: Certification)

2000-12-10 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 10:45 AM 12/8/2000 -0500, Richard Dice wrote: >"Randal L. Schwartz" wrote: > > > > But here's the reality of trainings. You need to get 10 to 20 people > > in a room at the same time that are all starting roughly at the same > > skill level and also want to end up in the same place. And then

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-10 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 10:51 AM 12/8/00 -0800, Paul wrote: >--- Nathan Torkington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >[snip] > > I'd rather see us find some way to churn out perl and mod_perl > > programmers. For instance, release a beginner class on Perl and > > mod_perl and have local Perlmongers lead classes. I have my

RE: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-10 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 09:27 AM 12/6/00 +, Matt Sergeant wrote: >On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Jeffrey W. Baker wrote: > > > I haven't looked at AO or AxKit, but if I can untar either one of them and > > just get to work, that will rule. > >You can't, but thats because I believe in the CPAN model - use pre-written >compone

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-10 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 12:06 AM 12/6/00 -0600, Jim Woodgate wrote: >Chris Winters writes: > > Along with the open-source Servlet/JSP/Web Engine servers (among > > others): > > > > Apache Tomcat: http://jakarta.apache.org/ > > Jetty: http://jetty.mortbay.com/ > > > >I'm currently using the Tomcat at work, and

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-10 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 08:26 PM 12/5/00 +, Matt Sergeant wrote: >On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Eric Strovink wrote: > > > A number of people have been beating around this bush, so why not just > > mow it down? > > > > A huge win for advocacy would be a small set of complete example > > applications targetted at, say, the l

Re: RFC: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-10 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 09:13 PM 12/5/00 +0100, you wrote: >On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Eric Strovink wrote: > > > A number of people have been beating around this bush, so why not just > > mow it down? > > > > A huge win for advocacy would be a small set of complete example > > applications targetted at, say, the last two Re

Re: Smart installing (Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection)

2000-12-10 Thread Gunther Birznieks
the stuff > we all use over and over again, wouldn't that get us pretty far? > > Aaron > > I'm willing to contribute time to this project if given some input on how > to proceed. > > >--------- >To

RE: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-10 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 01:05 PM 12/5/00 -0600, Jay Jacobs wrote: >On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, Stas Bekman wrote: > > > What we want is very simple. > > > > 1. We want many users, so they will thoroughly test the software and spot > > bugs asap, so we -- current users will get a better product. > > > > 2. We want more devel

Re: Smart installing (Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection)

2000-12-10 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 02:01 PM 12/6/00 -0800, brian moseley wrote: >On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Aaron E. Ross wrote: > > > while the install and auto configure part is not very glamorous, the > > possibility of being able to untar one package to get mod_perl w/ > persistent > > db connections, transaction management, da

Re: Gunther

2000-12-10 Thread Gunther Birznieks
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Re: mod_perl in chroot environment

2000-12-10 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 03:33 PM 12/10/00 +0100, Stas Bekman wrote: >Do you think I should include the scenario of making Apache run in chroot >enviroment in the guide? I think chroot Apache is important especially for dynamic services. >Check out the last section of this article: >Installing and Securing the Apache

Re: mod_perl in chroot environment

2000-12-10 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 05:21 PM 12/10/00 +0100, Stas Bekman wrote: > > At 03:33 PM 12/10/00 +0100, Stas Bekman wrote: > > >Do you think I should include the scenario of making Apache run in chroot > > >enviroment in the guide? > > > > I think chroot Apache is important especially for dynamic services. > > > > >Check

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-11 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 10:07 AM 12/11/2000 +, Matt Sergeant wrote: >On Sun, 10 Dec 2000, Jim Woodgate wrote: > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > You can do the twostage server if you are short on memory, speed is > > > important and usage of active content is relatively low. Setup a > mod_proxy > > > an

Re: Linux Hello World Benchmarks...

2000-12-11 Thread Gunther Birznieks
Is CGI Raw decoding the get/post yourself? Or using the Apache::args, Apache::Request::param mechanism? At 02:13 AM 12/11/2000 -0800, Joshua Chamas wrote: >Hey, > >I have automated a portable Hello World test suite, but its not >CPAN ready, so if any would like to contribute, run, and comment >

Re: Linux Hello World Benchmarks...

2000-12-11 Thread Gunther Birznieks
Then it seems odd that there is such a huge discrepency between CGI.pm and no CGI.pm. If you preload CGI.pm in startup.pl does the difference go away? At 02:56 AM 12/11/2000 -0800, Joshua Chamas wrote: >Gunther Birznieks wrote: > > > > Is CGI Raw decoding the get/post yoursel

Re: mod_perl in chroot environment

2000-12-11 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 10:51 AM 12/11/00 -0500, Vivek Khera wrote: > > "SB" == Stas Bekman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >SB> Do you think I should include the scenario of making Apache run in >SB> chroot enviroment in the guide? > >That require quite a bit of stuff be crammed into the chroot jail. >You'll need a

Re: mod_perl in chroot environment

2000-12-11 Thread Gunther Birznieks
I've snipped some stuff out of both sides. At 09:58 AM 12/11/00 +, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: >On Sun, 10 Dec 2000, Gunther Birznieks wrote: > > At 03:33 PM 12/10/00 +0100, Stas Bekman wrote: > > > For example, perhaps the mod_perl server and the HTML/images server s

Re: [OT] Re: 'why mod_perl' rebate anybody?

2000-12-11 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 01:23 PM 12/11/00 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Is rebate in the sense of the word that the amount is reduced an > American thing? > >Hmmm. I hadn't thought about it, but come to think of it, I think it is >used more extensively in America. The sense it has here is more of a >partial r

Re: Article idea: mod_perl + JSP

2000-12-12 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 11:11 PM 12/12/2000 -0500, Chris Winters wrote: >* Nathan Torkington ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [001212 22:09]: > > > > Anyone run such an installation? Anyone want to write about their > > setup and experiences? > > There are projects where we use mod_perl handlers for stuff like prototyping auth

Re: Help me beat Java.

2000-12-13 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 10:24 AM 12/13/00 -0300, jleidigh wrote: >I have written a awsome mod_perl module for Apache and >now my companie wants to transform it to Java (ik). Why would your company want to redevelop something from scratch in another language instead of making use of the product they have now that wor

Re: Article idea: mod_perl + JSP

2000-12-13 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 03:03 PM 12/13/00 +, Greg Cope wrote: >Chris Winters wrote: > > > > * Gunther Birznieks ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [001212 23:53]: > > > > > > > With that said though, I still love Perl. > > > > Me too :-) It's frustrating to be doing somethi

Re: Mod_perl tutorials

2000-12-13 Thread Gunther Birznieks
ss stories. > >I know that perl.oreilly.com is making a point of collecting Perl >success stories and is always hungry for more. They won't convert >the unwashed there, though. > >It'd sure be nice to have a WebTechniques special issue on mod_perl. >Hint, hint, R

Re: Mod_perl tutorials

2000-12-13 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 01:55 AM 12/14/2000 +0100, Stas Bekman wrote: >On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Gunther Birznieks wrote: > > > I guess part of the problem is that PPT is a binary file so if someone > > checks out of CVS, and modifies slide 3 and another person modifies slide > > 1, there'

[OT]: Open Source ... was Re: Advocacy idea ...

2000-12-14 Thread Gunther Birznieks
y with the blood of tyrants and patriots alike. > ... Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." > - Thomas Jefferson __ Gunther Birznieks ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) eXtropia - The Web Technology Company http://www.extropia.com/

RE: Mod_perl tutorials

2000-12-14 Thread Gunther Birznieks
M >To: Stas Bekman >Cc: Randal L. Schwartz; mod_perl list >Subject: Re: Mod_perl tutorials > > > > Even cvs diffs with XML won't be very easy to read, because there are too > > many tags. > >Thats a non-argument. XML can have as many or as few tags as POD. __

Re: Mod_perl tutorials

2000-12-14 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 02:27 PM 12/14/00 +0100, Stas Bekman wrote: >On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, Matt Sergeant wrote: > > > > creating a set of tutorials for mongers and user groups? What's important > > > is the information, not how fancy the background picture is. > > > > Thats where I think you're wrong. People care a *lo

RE: [OT]: Open Source ... was Re: Advocacy idea ...

2000-12-14 Thread Gunther Birznieks
ecially if there are >comments, etc. and an explanation of how the code works/is supposed to work >from the author??? I see this as both a code resource and a review forum ... >Thoughts??? > >Dave Homsher >Webmaster, >MACtac IT __ Gunther Birznieks ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) eXtropia - The Web Technology Company http://www.extropia.com/

Re: Mod_perl tutorials

2000-12-14 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 10:06 AM 12/14/00 -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: >Gunther Birznieks writes: > > However, I am willing to concede that as a first cut, fancy slides are > > probably not worth it because the slides will change too often. Once v1 is > > released, then someone can transcribe

Re: Mod_perl tutorials

2000-12-14 Thread Gunther Birznieks
l. Personally, >I'd be happy to see the discussion stay here... __ Gunther Birznieks ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) eXtropia - The Web Technology Company http://www.extropia.com/

Re: Linux Hello World Benchmarks: +PHP,JSP,ePerl

2000-12-16 Thread Gunther Birznieks
the results. > >--Josh > >_ >Joshua Chamas Chamas Enterprises Inc. >NodeWorks >> free web link monitoring Huntington Beach, CA USA >http://www.nodeworks.com1-714-625-4051 __ Gunther Birznieks ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) eXtropia - The Web Technology Company http://www.extropia.com/

Re: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection

2000-12-17 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 01:45 PM 12/10/00 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >On Sun, 10 Dec 2000, Gunther Birznieks wrote: >[much stuff snipped] > > > > >Things I would never even try with java: > > > > > >1) Talking any client/server protocol other than URLs. The perl > >

Re: RFC: Hello World 2000 Benchmark

2000-12-18 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 03:53 PM 12/17/00 -0800, Joshua Chamas wrote: >Hey, > > > 2+ levels of code layering > 1 rand() value per request > 6 for loops executed > 20 additions (float & integer) > 10 lval assignments > 200 variables inline > 202+ chuncks of static html rendered > Over 2900 byte template

mod_perl training

2000-12-20 Thread Gunther Birznieks
I got swamped with an unexpected project last Friday and coupled with XMas stuff, I am probably not going to be able to give any more input until after XMas (next week). Anyway, I know this topic has been very quiet since last week. But I just wanted to say that I don't want to let it die (for

Fwd: [speedycgi] Speedycgi scales better than mod_perl with scripts that contain un-shared memory

2000-12-20 Thread Gunther Birznieks
aging. And when the paging starts, >the performance really nose-dives. > >With SpeedyCGI, at the same concurrency level, the total memory >requirements for all the intepreters are much much smaller. Eventually >under a large enough load and with enough un-shared memory, SpeedyCGI >would probably have to start paging too. But due to its design the point >at which SpeedyCGI will start doing this is at a much higher level than >with mod_perl. __ Gunther Birznieks ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) eXtropia - The Web Technology Company http://www.extropia.com/

Re: Fwd: [speedycgi] Speedycgi scales better than mod_perl withscripts that contain un-shared memory

2000-12-21 Thread Gunther Birznieks
, Sam Horrocks wrote: > > Gunther Birznieks wrote: > > > Sam just posted this to the speedycgi list just now. > > [...] > > > >The underlying problem in mod_perl is that apache likes to spread out > > > >web requests to as many httpd's, and theref

Re: Fwd: [speedycgi] Speedycgi scales better than mod_perl with scripts that contain un-shared memory

2000-12-21 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 09:53 AM 12/21/00 -0500, Joe Schaefer wrote: >[ Sorry for accidentally spamming people on the > list. I was ticked off by this "benchmark", > and accidentally forgot to clean up the reply > names. I won't let it happen again :( ] Not sure what you mean here. Some people like the dupl

Re: Fwd: [speedycgi] Speedycgi scales better than mod_perl withscripts that contain un-shared memory

2000-12-21 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 09:16 PM 12/21/00 +0100, Stas Bekman wrote: [much removed] >So the moment mod_perl 2.0 hits the shelves, this possible benefit >of speedycgi over mod_perl becomes irrelevant. I think this more or less >summarizes this thread. I think you are right about the summarization. However, I also think

Re: Proposals for ApacheCon 2001 in; help us choose! (fwd)

2000-12-21 Thread Gunther Birznieks
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mod_perl and chrooting question

2000-12-22 Thread Gunther Birznieks
shared libraries (for those running in the HTTP front-end server chroot jail and those running in the mod_perl backend chroot jail). Thanks, Gunther __ Gunther Birznieks ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) eXtropia - The Web Technology Company http

Re: Fwd: [speedycgi] Speedycgi scales better than mod_perl withscriptsthat contain un-shared memory

2000-12-22 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 10:17 PM 12/22/2000 -0500, Joe Schaefer wrote: >"Jeremy Howard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >[snipped] >I posted a patch to modproxy a few months ago that specifically >addresses this issue. It has a ProxyPostMax directive that changes >it's behavior to a store-and-forward proxy for POST dat

Re: XMas printing benchmark

2000-12-26 Thread Gunther Birznieks
ecs (17.65 usr + 1.06 sys = 18.71 CPU) @ >5344.74/s > multi /b: 41 wallclock secs (37.89 usr + 0.28 sys = 38.17 CPU) @ >2619.86/s > multi /u: 48 wallclock secs (43.24 usr + 1.67 sys = 44.91 CPU) @ >2226.68/s > >First, we see the same picture among different printing >techniques. Second we can see that the buffered print is always >faster. But only in the case where print is called for each short >string, it creates more or less significant difference. > >Your comments are welcome. > >_ >Stas Bekman JAm_pH -- Just Another mod_perl Hacker >http://stason.org/ mod_perl Guide http://perl.apache.org/guide >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://apachetoday.com http://logilune.com/ >http://singlesheaven.com http://perl.apache.org http://perlmonth.com/ __ Gunther Birznieks ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) eXtropia - The Web Technology Company http://www.extropia.com/

Re: RFC/ANNOUNCE: WebsiteGenerator, FormGenerator, Class-ParamParser

2000-12-28 Thread Gunther Birznieks
The modules look very cool. However You should be careful as to what modules you've created solve a problem in a particular way that you enjoy using and which ones are truly generic. Some of the following was unclear in your email explanation of the modules. I am worried that some of your C

Re: how to secure backend server ?

2001-01-02 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 03:02 PM 1/2/01 +, Matt Sergeant wrote: >On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, Oleg Bartunov wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I have implement standard fe-be scheme as many times discussed > > in this list and described by Stas in his guide. Sorry, if I > > don't understand something simple. > > > > Everything work

Re: getting rid of multiple identical http requests (bad users double-clicking)

2001-01-04 Thread Gunther Birznieks
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Re: Javascript - just say no(t required)

2001-01-04 Thread Gunther Birznieks
Cookies and JavaScript would make a great NY Resolution... At 06:00 PM 1/4/2001 -0800, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > >>>>> "Gunther" == Gunther Birznieks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >Gunther> But I've also seen a lot of people use javascript to accomplis

[OT] Availability of Jobs -- was Re: [SOLICITATION] Programmer available for contracting..

2001-01-10 Thread Gunther Birznieks
I notice that there have been many more job postings from employment seekers have occurred in the last few weeks versus jobs. Whereas it used to be many more jobs wanting mod_perl vs seekers of jobs. Is this an odd time of year for many contractors where the contract ends around the holiday se

Re: [OT] Availability of Jobs -- was Re: [SOLICITATION] Programmeravailable for contracting..

2001-01-13 Thread Gunther Birznieks
> > I notice that there have been many more job postings from employment > > seekers have occurred in the last few weeks versus jobs. Whereas it used > > to be many more jobs wanting mod_perl vs seekers of jobs. > > > > Is this an odd time of year for many contractors where the contract ends > >

Re: Fwd: [speedycgi] Speedycgi scales better than mod_perl withscripts that contain un-shared memory

2001-01-13 Thread Gunther Birznieks
e of > speedycgi > > > perl processes is significantly smaller than the total size of the > httpd's > > > running mod_perl. > > > > > > The reason for this is that only a handful of perl processes are > required by > > > speedy

Re: Fwd: [speedycgi] Speedycgi scales better than mod_perl withscripts that contain un-shared memory

2001-01-17 Thread Gunther Birznieks
ed to clients) because of the performance > benefit I > > > > > > mentioned above. > > > > > > > > > > I don't follow. > > > > > > > > When not all processes are in use, I think Speedy would handle > requests > > > > more quickly, which would allow it to handle n requests in less time > > > > than mod_perl. Saying it handles more clients implies that the > requests > > > > are simultaneous. I don't think it can handle more simultaneous > > > > requests. > > > > > > Don't agree. > > > > > > > > > Are the speedycgi+Apache processes smaller than the mod_perl > > > > > > processes? If not, the maximum number of concurrent > requests you can > > > > > > handle on a given box is going to be the same. > > > > > > > > > > The size of the httpds running mod_speedycgi, plus the size of > > > speedycgi > > > > > perl processes is significantly smaller than the total size of > the > > > httpd's > > > > > running mod_perl. > > > > > > > > > > The reason for this is that only a handful of perl processes are > > > required by > > > > > speedycgi to handle the same load, whereas mod_perl uses a perl > > > interpreter > > > > > in all of the httpds. > > > > > > > > I think this is true at lower levels, but not when the number of > > > > simultaneous requests gets up to the maximum that the box can handle. > > > > At that point, it's a question of how many interpreters can fit in > > > > memory. I would expect the size of one Speedy + one httpd to be > about > > > > the same as one mod_perl/httpd when no memory is shared. With > sharing, > > > > you'd be able to run more processes. > > > > > > I'd agree that the size of one Speedy backend + one httpd would be the > > > same or even greater than the size of one mod_perl/httpd when no memory > > > is shared. But because the speedycgi httpds are small (no perl in > them) > > > and the number of SpeedyCGI perl interpreters is small, the total > memory > > > required is significantly smaller for the same load. > > > > > > Sam > > > > __ > > Gunther Birznieks ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > eXtropia - The Web Technology Company > > http://www.extropia.com/ __ Gunther Birznieks ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) eXtropia - The Web Technology Company http://www.extropia.com/

Re: mod_perm and Java servlets

2001-01-18 Thread Gunther Birznieks
chines). The >only problem I've seen have been memory leaks in the servlets >causing the jvm to grow, but apache will restart it for you if you >have to kill it once in a while. > > Les Mikesell > [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Gunther Birznieks ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) eXtropia - The Web Technology Company http://www.extropia.com/

Re: [OT] Design Patterns in mod_perl apps?

2001-01-30 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 02:13 PM 1/30/01 -0500, Bakki Kudva wrote: >I am studying mod_perl and the GoF Desing Patterns book in parallel and >had a few questions I would like to throw to the list. > >1. Is there anyone who is using GoF design patterns (eg. Chain of >Responsibility for handlers) in their mod_perl apps?

Re: Development Environment

2001-01-31 Thread Gunther Birznieks
ra Communications, Inc. >Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rockville, MD +1-240-453-8497 >AIM: vivekkhera Y!: vivek_khera http://www.khera.org/~vivek/ __ Gunther Birznieks ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) eXtropia - The Web Technology Company http://www.extropia.com/

[OT] Friendy Reminder

2001-02-01 Thread Gunther Birznieks
There have been a LOT of Off Topic (OT) posts this week on the mod_perl list without the OT prefix. At least more than I've seen as usual. Please take the time to add a [OT] prefix to the posts when it is not directly mod_perl related. If you are responding to a clearly OT post that didn't kno

Re: Using modperl as an 'adaptor' front end to an app server.

2001-02-02 Thread Gunther Birznieks
app instance as dead can't let another child know about that >dead instance. > >Before I reinvent this C wheel in modperl, has anyone done so already? > >-D >-- >Off the record, on the QT, and very hush-hush. __ Gunt

Re: This list... formatted headerS?

2001-02-02 Thread Gunther Birznieks
e to agree, although maybe we might >talk about banner ads later:) prompted me to publish a document that >Stas and I have been working on, if sporadically, for quite a while. >It's available by anonymous ftp: > >ftp.jubileegroup.co.uk/pub/mod_perl/admin/admin.txt > >

Re: [OT] Design Patterns in mod_perl apps?

2001-02-03 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 11:42 AM 1/31/2001 -0500, Bakki Kudva wrote: >I just quickly browsed through Chapter 10 (104 pages !!) and it shines >light on EXACTLY the sort of things I was thinking about. It is like the >'Design Patterns' & 'Conway book' fused into one. I also downloaded the >webware apps so I can disect

Re: Apache::Session::File

2001-02-05 Thread Gunther Birznieks
; > >print end_html; > >I get error in apache logs : >Can't locate IPC/SysV.pm in @INC > >do I need the IPC/SysV.pm module? >I have searched the documentation but i don't see a simple clear example >to do this. > >Can you help please? > >Thanks __ Gunther Birznieks ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) eXtropia - The Web Technology Company http://www.extropia.com/

Re: Sessions on win 32

2001-02-07 Thread Gunther Birznieks
ow any. >I have read about Apache::Session::Win32 but the package is >removed and obsolete from the latest Apache::Session module. > >Thanks ______ Gunther Birznieks ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) eXtropia - The Web Technology Company http://www.extropia.com/

Re: revising Apache::* modules list

2001-02-13 Thread Gunther Birznieks
RSE >Upload amcOFile upload class APML > > >Thanks! > > >_ >Stas Bekman JAm_pH -- Just Another mod_perl Hacker >http://stason.org/ mod_perl Guide http://perl.apache.org/guide >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://apachetoday.com http://logilune.com/ >http://singlesheaven.com http://perl.apache.org http://perlmonth.com/ __ Gunther Birznieks ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) eXtropia - The Web Technology Company http://www.extropia.com/

Re: apachecon: BOF?

2001-02-13 Thread Gunther Birznieks
l Guide http://perl.apache.org/guide >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://apachetoday.com http://logilune.com/ >http://singlesheaven.com http://perl.apache.org http://perlmonth.com/ ______ Gunther Birznieks ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) eXtropia - The Web Technology Company http://www.extropia.com/

Re: [OT] re:advocacy at perl.com

2001-02-16 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 10:25 AM 2/16/01 -0500, DeWitt Clinton wrote: >On Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 03:14:37PM +, Matt Sergeant wrote: > > > I wonder if I should write them an article about take23, and then > > use the funds to pay for articles for take23 :-) > >Geez, Matt, you promote take23 every chance you get.

Re: apachecon: BOF?

2001-02-17 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 11:09 AM 2/14/2001 +0800, Stas Bekman wrote: >On Wed, 14 Feb 2001, Gunther Birznieks wrote: > > > I wouldn't mind a mod_perl beer-BOF like the one we had at the last night > > of ApacheCon Europe > >That's the unofficial one :) > >But seriously, if

Re: Can anyone help please

2001-02-20 Thread Gunther Birznieks
parsing our Html on the fly. > >I understand that uri.c could be modified or changes could be made to the >.htaccess file. > >The problem is it has to be fast and transparant, does anyone have any >ideas??? > >Thanks in advance > > > >Steve Smith

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache::SOAP 0.47 (mod_soap)

2001-02-23 Thread Gunther Birznieks
r options "compress_threshold => 1" > >=back > >=head1 DEPENDENCIES > > SOAP::Lite > mod_perl > >=head1 SEE ALSO > > SOAP::Transport::HTTP::Apache for implementation details, > SOAP::Lite for general information, and > F for .htaccess

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache::SOAP 0.47 (mod_soap)

2001-02-24 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 05:14 PM 2/24/2001 -0800, Paul Kulchenko wrote: >That's right, but first Perl caches calls that involve inheritance >and second, I use the same scheme, because arrays can have everything >inside and I need to call serialization function for every element in >array. I did profiling for several v

Re: security

2001-03-01 Thread Gunther Birznieks
pgp.com> > >iQA/AwUBOp4JiyZsPfdw+r2CEQJoRACgmZsE3GpeM2AhH2ooYID9iDxlnwAAmwf8 >+sZ0r0rmQNuahRV07TpZ761e >=BSof >-END PGP SIGNATURE- __ Gunther Birznieks ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) eXtropia - The Web Technology Company http://www.extropia.com/

Re: [H/OT] time to vote

2001-03-02 Thread Gunther Birznieks
Who did you count among the two? I count 3 people who post here on the mod_perl list and support mod_perl (although to varying degrees) Andy, Matt and Paul. At 12:48 PM 3/3/2001 +0800, Stas Bekman wrote: >FYI, half on topic here, as two of the candidates are our mod_perl >people... so if you di

Re: Microsoft's Remote Scripting - modperl equivalent?

2001-03-03 Thread Gunther Birznieks
ng useful? > >Regards, > >NIge > > >Nigel Hamilton >__ >http://turbo10.com Turbo10 Search Engine Search Fast. Browse Faster. __ Gunther Birznieks ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) eXtropia - The Web Technology Company http://www.extropia.com/

Re: [OT] JMS-like event framework for Perl

2001-03-10 Thread Gunther Birznieks
that you wanted to write a program in an event-driven style. > >http://www.soaplite.com/ >http://guide.soaplite.com/ > >Nat __ Gunther Birznieks ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) eXtropia - The Web Technology Company http://www.extropia.com/

Re: [OT] Client Certificate Authentification module?

2001-03-13 Thread Gunther Birznieks
. > >You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the contents of >this e-mail or any of its attachments without express consent. > >Please ensure you have adequate virus protection before you open or >detach any documents from this transmission. Transco plc does not >accept

Re: cgi_to_mod_perl manpage suggestion

2001-03-14 Thread Gunther Birznieks
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Re: 1 Billion Bug 1BB - [OT] UNIX timestamp hits 1,000,000,000 thisyear!

2001-03-20 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 03:19 AM 3/20/01 -0800, Ask Bjoern Hansen wrote: >On Fri, 9 Mar 2001, Gerd Kortemeyer wrote: > >[bugs and design fu^H^Hchoices waiting to happen] > > > I will open my consulting business on Mon, Jan 18th, 2038. > >funny, I thought we all worked so hard to have a chance of retiring >before that.

Re: [OT] ApacheCon BOF

2001-03-22 Thread Gunther Birznieks
So apart from the Native American thread which I believe everyone has worked out... what do you want to do about T-Shirts? For me, three ideas stand out... 1) I did like the ModDonalds idea... 2) I wasn't at last years conference, I really like the World Domination one and wished I could have

Re: [ANNOUNCE} mod_perl moduile you may be interested in

2001-03-25 Thread Gunther Birznieks
sume" and "cv" did not come up with anything >like what i am doing > >if anyone wants to help me develop it let me know > >Rendhalver __ Gunther Birznieks ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) eXtropia - The Web Technology Company http://www.extropia.com/

Re: [DIGEST] mod_perl digest 03/24/01

2001-03-27 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 08:57 AM 3/26/01 -0500, Geoffrey Young wrote: >mod_perl status > > o mod_perl > - stable: 1.25 (released January 29, 2001) [1] > - development: 1.25_01-dev [2] > o Apache > - stable: 1.3.19 (released February 28, 2001) [3] > - development: 1.3.20-dev [4] > o Perl > -

Re: books reviewing (was Re: PerlRestartHandler)

2001-03-29 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 06:44 PM 3/29/01 +0800, Stas Bekman wrote: > > Indeed, I've often wished O'Reilly would provide book sources for people > > that have bought the treebook. Manning has something like that, you can buy > > the ebook cheaper than the actual book, and then if you decide to buy the > > treebook it's

Re: books reviewing (was Re: PerlRestartHandler)

2001-03-30 Thread Gunther Birznieks
Bekman wrote: >On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Gunther Birznieks wrote: > > > At 06:44 PM 3/29/01 +0800, Stas Bekman wrote: > > > > Indeed, I've often wished O'Reilly would provide book sources for > people > > > > that have bought the treebook. Manning has som

Re: Apachecon folks

2001-04-03 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 09:30 PM 4/3/01 -0500, Dave Rolsky wrote: >Anyone here want to get together? I'm in room 945 and bored. I think >matt Sergeant is here too but I couldn't find him at the bar. Did you check under the bar...? I'm here... and I think Stas, Eric Cholet, and others were interested in doing dinn

Re: modperl/ASP and MVC design pattern

2001-04-20 Thread Gunther Birznieks
At 10:01 AM 4/20/01 -0700, Perrin Harkins wrote: >On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Francesco Pasqualini wrote: > > But are there in the mod_perl architecture some guidelines and/or > > frameworks that encourages the MVC design patern ? I think that > > Apache::ASP could be (for example) the right tool, adding

Re: Is mod_perl on win32 possible??

2001-04-27 Thread Gunther Birznieks
binaries of Apache for win32 that use forking? > >Or do I have to set up a linus/bsd server... :) > >thanks, >-Kurt. __ Gunther Birznieks ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) eXtropia - The Web Technology Company http://www.extropia.com/

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