As noted above, Pirsig uses the term ‘Dynamic Quality’ (to denote the
continually changing flux of immediate reality) and ‘static quality’ (for any
pattern that appears long enough to be abstracted from this flux). ‘Static
quality’ refers to anything that can be conceptualised and is a
The Metaphysics of Quality is not intended to be within any philosophic
tradition, although obviously it was not written in a vacuum. My first
awareness that it resembled James' work came from a magazine review long after
“Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance” was published. The
Very strange to see that you were only yesterday, demanding the moq to be
the bridge between the east and west,
whilst it always was since it was stated, the moq is the bridge between the
East and west , Marsha,Like
Anthony pointed out.
The moq makes no difference between an Eskimo-thinker, a
Stranger still that you use the demanding when I did no such thing.
On Oct 13, 2010, at 8:44 AM, ADRIE KINTZIGER wrote:
Very strange to see that you were only yesterday, demanding the moq to be
the bridge between the east and west,
whilst it always was since it was stated, the moq is the
Adrie,
Here's what I wrote yesterday:
On Oct 12, 2010, at 1:27 PM, MarshaV wrote:
I have repeatedly stated I am interested in considering the MoQ as a bridge
between East and
West.
On Oct 13, 2010, at 8:54 AM, MarshaV wrote:
Stranger still that you use the word demanding when I
Greetings:
I posted these quotes to point to the nature of static quality.
Marsha
On Oct 13, 2010, at 5:38 AM, MarshaV wrote:
As noted above, Pirsig uses the term ‘Dynamic Quality’ (to denote the
continually changing flux of immediate reality) and ‘static quality’ (for any
Exactly what do you think there is wrong with annotations 130.131.133.etc,
you know what i mean,
do you see decoherence? is there decoherence? please enlighten me, don't
spare any detail.
I have some comment on the Dan/Marsha interactions, if you like me to post
them , make an effort to work on
Adrie,
There's nothing wrong with any of the annotations. End of discussion.
You waste my time with psychological baloney.
Marsha
On Oct 13, 2010, at 9:13 AM, ADRIE KINTZIGER wrote:
Exactly what do you think there is wrong with annotations 130.131.133.etc,
you know what i mean,
Stephen Hawking/mlodinov, the Grand design
There is no picture or theory-independant concept of reality.
In other words, if you see a herd of zebras fighting for a spot
in the parking garage, it is because there really is a herd of
zebras fighting in the parking garage, all other observer who
Hi All,
I finished reading Harris's The Moral Landscape, and I highly
recommend it to all MOQers. It is clear that Harris's project in his
latest book is the same as Pirsig's in Lila--to demonstrate that
morality is open to rational inquiry and that is it possible to know
truths about morality in
Thanks for posting that in its entirety, Dan.
Dan comments:
I have never taught writing but Robert Pirsig did. I found it
illuminating that he felt the best way to teach writing isn't teaching
writing. Rather, pure quality should be taught. I am still not exactly
sure what he means by
As noted above, Pirsig uses the term ‘Dynamic Quality’ (to denote the
continually changing flux of immediate reality) and ‘static quality’ (for any
pattern that appears long enough to be abstracted from this flux). ‘Static
quality’ refers to anything that can be conceptualised and is a synonym
Marsha:
Emptiness is that self and things arise into being dependent on causes and
conditions: they are empty
of inherent, or independent existence. The Middle Way is that self and things
arise into being dependent
on causes and conditions
On Oct 13, 2010, at 12:45 PM, david buchanan
Try Śūnyatā:
Buddhist concept of emptiness
According the Middle Way (Madhyamaka) philosophy which is central to Mahāyāna
Buddhism, ordinary beings misperceive all objects of perception in a
fundamental way. The misperception is caused by the psychological tendency to
grasp at all objects of
Steve said to all MOQers:
It is clear that Harris's project in his latest book is the same as Pirsig's in
Lila--to demonstrate that morality is open to rational inquiry and that is it
possible to know truths about morality in the sense that we say we know truths
about science.
dmb says:
I
Hi Steven,
Sam Harris knocks religion like other educated liberal types and like them
is apparently oblivious to the fact that his concerns about nuclear
proliferation, climate change, the crisis in education, poverty across the
world and similar liberal ain't-it-awful afflictions spring straight
Hi DMB,
It seems to me that Pirsig's solution to this intellectual emergency would be
of interest to Sam Harris, to say the least. Would you be interested in
drafting a letter to Sam explaining how the MOQ might serve his project?
Maybe we could all do it together, as a group project. Who
Hello, Steve, i'v been reading the article, and i agree, it looks a very
promising book, i will read it, the coming weeks perhaps,
depends on my availiable time, been in the hospital for 2 days, got 4
epidural infiltrations im my spine, pff, difficult to read.
I also took notice of DMB'S
dmb said to Steve:
It seems to me that Pirsig's solution to this intellectual emergency would be
of interest to Sam Harris, to say the least. Would you be interested in
drafting a letter to Sam explaining how the MOQ might serve his project? Maybe
we could all do it together, as a group
Hi Platt,
Platt:
Sam Harris knocks religion like other educated liberal types and like them
is apparently oblivious to the fact that his concerns about nuclear
proliferation, climate change, the crisis in education, poverty across the
world and similar liberal ain't-it-awful afflictions
My main point for posting these quotes was simply to present the fact that
within the MoQ DQ (ultimate truth) is the fundamental nature of sq
(conventional truth.)
-
As noted above, Pirsig uses the term ‘Dynamic Quality’ (to denote the
continually changing flux of
#1) Steve began this thread by saying:
...It is clear that Harris's project in his latest book is the same as Pirsig's
in Lila -- to demonstrate that morality is open to rational inquiry and that it
is possible to know truths about morality in the sense that we say we know
truths about
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Steven Peterson
peterson.st...@gmail.comwrote:
Hi Platt,
Platt:
Sam Harris knocks religion like other educated liberal types and like
them
is apparently oblivious to the fact that his concerns about nuclear
proliferation, climate change, the crisis in
Greetz Adrie,
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 11:34 AM, ADRIE KINTZIGER parser...@gmail.comwrote:
Okay, 1 straight question arises, You do not have to answer it, i will not
hold it against you.
Is the bible the highest pattern of value?(in your expirience)-is it a
pattern of value?
A pattern of
If we dismiss theories because they seem weird, then we risk missing true
breakthroughs.
Max Tegmark
If we dismiss weird theories because they seem obvious, then true
breakthroughs risk missing us.
John Carl
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 12:01 PM, ADRIE KINTZIGER parser...@gmail.comwrote:
And I'd add to the conflation, Mark's comment, with which I agree
completely.
Yes, of course we are experiencing multiple worlds and universes at the
same
time. What do you think this thing called life is? I do not see the big
deal.
Mark
If we dismiss theories because they seem weird, then
Hi David,
You have captured the notion of emptiness is some way below. As I have said
in previous posts, the term Emptiness is not very useful unless one
understands its meaning. In fact, the notion of Emptiness often leads one
in the wrong direction. Emptiness does not mean that things such
Marsha:
Emptiness is that self and things arise into being dependent on causes and
conditions: they are empty of inherent, or independent existence. The Middle
Way is that self and things arise into being dependent on causes and conditions.
dmb says:
In the context of the original story,
Mark,
My friend Bill had this book called Gospel in the Stars and according to
this book, the very plan of salvation - the whole virgin birth, etc, was
spelled out in story form by the grouping of the constellations and this
explains why we have the variations of the story in various early
Hi DMB,
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 3:20 PM, david buchanan dmbucha...@hotmail.com wrote:
#1) Steve began this thread by saying:
...It is clear that Harris's project in his latest book is the same as
Pirsig's in Lila -- to demonstrate that morality is open to rational inquiry
and that it is
dmb,
Marsha:
Emptiness is that self and things are empty of inherent, or independent
existence.
--
Wiki:
Śūnyatā:
Emptiness is the concept that all objects are empty of inherent existence.
According the Middle Way (Madhyamaka) philosophy which is central to
Hi John,
Yes, a good question. Lately I have been studying the Cabala; just
superficially so as to see if there are any tools I can use to further my
understanding of Quality. The mathematical notion of language is indeed
interesting, and has led many to mystical insight. Whether they have
Rather , pure quality should be taught, i need some time to study this
material,Dan.
But your endsentence triggered a remembering in my head , related to this
endremark on the paper you made.
This one,from an interview done with Pablo Picasso.
Picasso suggested to make a painting in the optic to
Assign the question to the students. Have them write 500 words
about what quality is in thought and statement. For many students the
assignment has a shocking effect that makes them more responsive to
the word later on in the course. Instructors should try the
assignment themselves first to
Hello everyone
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 10:49 AM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for posting that in its entirety, Dan.
Dan comments:
I have never taught writing but Robert Pirsig did. I found it
illuminating that he felt the best way to teach writing isn't teaching
From the afterward of Scott Ryan's Objectivism and the Corruption of
Rationality; a Critique of Ayn Rand's Epistemology:
We have examined some of these features in this volume and confirmed many of
my friend's opinions. My own view is that Rand added nothing whatsoever of
importance to the
Mark:
Now, I haven't read Wiki on this one, so please forgive me. Middle Way is a
path to travel to achieve enlightenment, not a thing or philosophical
result. It is like the Middle pillar of Qabalah (the Pillar of
Consciousness).
Gautama tried everything to obtain enlightenment. That
OK John, I think it's your fault this time. I got adds for the Holocaust
Tour through some www site on the side of my gmail account, when I opened
your post. Please stop using so many commercial producing words. Your post
is obviously full of propaganda judging from all the adds I got with it.
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 7:19 AM, ADRIE KINTZIGER parser...@gmail.comwrote:
Stephen Hawking/mlodinov, the Grand design
There is no picture or theory-independant concept of reality.
Is he conflating picture with theory independent concept with his or?
I mean, it sure looks that way, but how
[Scott Ryan]
Rand added nothing whatsoever of
importance to the philosophical foundations of classical liberalism
...and she deliberately offered a philosophy of reason
that was expressly intended to undermine and discredit
the foundations not only of theology but any
philosophical outlook
Greetings Mark [DMB quoted]--
Your post to dmb of 10/13 is a superb rationale. Naturally, I am most in
harmony with what you said about Emptiness (which I equate with
Nothingness.).
As I have said in previous posts, the term Emptiness is not
very useful unless one understands its
Hello everyone
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 10:00 PM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote:
Assign the question to the students. Have them write 500 words
about what quality is in thought and statement. For many students the
assignment has a shocking effect that makes them more responsive to
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