Re: [MD] Spiritual snake oil?

2014-04-25 Thread John Carl
Hi Joe, Definable in life, indefinable in philosophy is a common occurrence. Philosophy in general and metaphysics in particular are unusual activities with rigourous rules so while Quality is indefinable philosophically, everybody knows what is good and what is not. John On Thu, Apr 24, 2014

Re: [MD] Spiritual snake oil?

2014-04-25 Thread Joseph Maurer
Hi John, Metaphysics is not omniphysics. There must be secure borders in reality or evolution is meaningless. The rigor of metaphysical logic has always been in dispute. Dispute and clarification follow different pathways Joe On 4/25/14 7:22 AM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [MD] Spiritual snake oil?

2014-04-25 Thread John Carl
Joe, there must be borders, I agree but what security you find in them is your own business. I don't see any hard and fast lines drawn in nature. John Ps: omniphysics I like - very clever. On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Joseph Maurer jh...@comcast.net wrote: Hi John, Metaphysics is

Re: [MD] Spiritual snake oil?

2014-04-24 Thread Joseph Maurer
Hi John and All, How can I know the indefinable? In definable metaphysics I only experience a partial reality in definable SQ. DQ is indefinable, remaining conceivable. Something is jerky in a definable/indefinable statement requiring a metaphysical orientation beyond definable physics like

Re: [MD] Spiritual snake oil?

2014-04-21 Thread Joseph Maurer
Hi T-REXX Techs. In trying to stabilize a vocabulary for levels in existence conscious and unconscious can only be sorted out through definition metaphysically not physical definition. Metaphysically unconsciousness is not a statement of awareness, but a state of being like death. How to

Re: [MD] Spiritual snake oil?

2014-04-21 Thread John Carl
Hi Joe, On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Joseph Maurer jh...@comcast.net wrote: How to describe the undead quality in consciousness is a metaphysical chore. This kicked loose a recent memory of a book I was reading to my boy at bedtime - A Terry Pratchett book about sentient rats who

Re: [MD] Spiritual snake oil?

2014-04-12 Thread Ron Kulp
On Apr 11, 2014, at 2:30 PM, david dmbucha...@hotmail.com wrote: The following was excerpted from Spiritual Snake Oil: Fads Fallacies in Pop Culture by Chris Edwards. See any mistakes here? What would you say in response? Ron: Judging by the title, Mr. Edwards Sounds like he will

Re: [MD] Spiritual snake oil?

2014-04-12 Thread david
About Spiritual Snake Oil: Fads Fallacies in Pop Culture by Chris Edwards, Ron said: ...I have read the entire essay at this point and it is my impression that the author is not very well read on the topic of philosophy in general. Also, he seems to be addressing those interpreters of Pirsig

Re: [MD] Spiritual snake oil?

2014-04-12 Thread T-REXX Techs
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Re: [MD] Spiritual snake oil?

2014-04-12 Thread Dan Glover
All, On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 1:47 PM, david dmbucha...@hotmail.com wrote: I had considered recruiting some help to develop a detailed defense of the MOQ but now I honestly do not think the book deserves that much attention. I began reading the chapter in question almost hoping to find a

[MD] Spiritual snake oil?

2014-04-11 Thread david
The following was excerpted from Spiritual Snake Oil: Fads Fallacies in Pop Culture by Chris Edwards. See any mistakes here? What would you say in response? Robert Pirsig, author of Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, deserves a lot of credit for getting a wide readership interested

Re: [MD] Spiritual snake oil?

2014-04-11 Thread Michael R. Brown
Material is not material. That's my answer. MRB On 4/11/2014 1:30 PM, david wrote: The following was excerpted from Spiritual Snake Oil: Fads Fallacies in Pop Culture by Chris Edwards. See any mistakes here? What would you say in response? Robert Pirsig, author of Zen and the Art of

Re: [MD] Spiritual snake oil?

2014-04-11 Thread John Carl
I wrote a much longer answer, Mike. But yours says basically the same thing in 4 simple words. John Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/

Re: [MD] Spiritual snake oil?

2014-04-11 Thread Dan Glover
All, On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 12:30 PM, david dmbucha...@hotmail.com wrote: The following was excerpted from Spiritual Snake Oil: Fads Fallacies in Pop Culture by Chris Edwards. See any mistakes here? What would you say in response? Robert Pirsig, author of Zen and the Art of Motorcycle