Re: MD Pirsig's hypocrisy

2001-07-03 Thread David Scarlett
Horse Wrote: I'm looking at my watch. The time is 14 miutes and 10 seconds past 1 o'clock in the morning. Would this change if I were a murderer, a rapist or a child molester (I'm none of these I hasten to add - honest!). Of course it wouldn't. The world's biggest fool can say the sun is

RE: MD Pirsig's hypocrisy

2001-07-03 Thread Platt Holden
Hi Glen: GLEN: Again if want perfection, GO TO CHURCH. PIRSIG: His favorite Christian mystic was Johannes Eckhart who said, Wouldst thou be perfect, do not yelp about God. (Lila, Chp. 30) . . . perfection, a synonym for Quality. (Lila, Chp. 11) Platt MOQ.ORG - http://www.moq.org Mail

Re: MD Pirsig's hypocrisy

2001-07-03 Thread Platt Holden
Hi Marco: MARCO: Phaedrus tries uselessly to convince her (Lila) to stay with him, and is sad when she goes (ch. 31), so he is not selfish. PIRSIG: He stood on a mound of sand beside the juniper bushes and said, A! He threw out his arms. Free! No idols, no Lila, no Rigel, no New York, no

RE: MD Real Libertarians Please Stand Up

2001-07-03 Thread N. Glen Dickey
Rasheed and all, Rasheed wrote: If this person that you killed was only trying to take your wallet, would it still be 'good' to kill him? I'd need more specifics to really analyze this correctly. If someone pulls a lethal weapon and threatens to destroy me unless I comply with their demands,

RE: MD Real Libertarians Please Stand Up

2001-07-03 Thread N. Glen Dickey
Horse and all, Thought Experiment #2 is posted further down for anyone interested. Glen wrote: Thought Experiment: Say you are the citizen of an inhabitated island in the south pacific that is a sovereign nation with a population of ten citizens. A serial killer kills seven of the

RE: MD Pirsig's hypocrisy

2001-07-03 Thread N. Glen Dickey
Platt, Yes a synonym for Quality, just don't expect to ever know exactly what it is or to get to it. I'm sure however that you can find a church where you may be able to obtain both. While this mailing list is in a way 'yelping about Quality' it is also informative and assists in refining our

RE: MD Religion/God ~ MoQ/DQ

2001-07-03 Thread N. Glen Dickey
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Re: MD Pirsig's hypocrisy

2001-07-03 Thread Marco
But you can't dismiss that: Hello, he said. Hello, she said back. I hear you want to go back. She looked down. Guilt. This was the first time he had ever seen her look guilty. He said, I think it's a very bad mistake. She still looked down. Why are you going back? Lila looked up and then

Re: MD Real Libertarians Please Stand Up

2001-07-03 Thread HisSheedness
Wim, Sorry about that, it was just a little sarcasm (Americans have mastered that art), and i can understand how it could be difficult to pick that up, especially when it's typed instead of spoken. Basically, im just pointing out the irony of punishing someone who killed someone by killing

Re: MD Real Libertarians Please Stand Up

2001-07-03 Thread HisSheedness
Glen, I guess you would need more specifics to properly analyze my example. Let's say that this guy pulls a gun on you in a dark alley and says, 'give me your wallet or i'll kill you.' Let's say you have a gun he doesnt see, and you can either give him the wallet and be on your way, or kill

RE: MD Real Libertarians Please Stand Up

2001-07-03 Thread N. Glen Dickey
Rasheed, I guess you would need more specifics to properly analyze my example. Let's say that this guy pulls a gun on you in a dark alley and says, 'give me your wallet or i'll kill you.' Let's say you have a gun he doesnt see, and you can either give him the wallet and be on your way, or

Re: MD Real Libertarians Please Stand Up

2001-07-03 Thread HisSheedness
Glen, Interesting post. I never realized that about Vermont. But, you also have to realize that the SF Bay area is much more populated than Alaska or Vermont, inevitably creating more crime. People in big cities can buy guns from arms dealers fairly easily (i think), so maybe gun control

RE: MD Real Libertarians Please Stand Up

2001-07-03 Thread N. Glen Dickey
Rasheed, Try http://www.reason.com/bi/guns.html or perhaps http://www.jpfo.org/ . Reason is also a great site on a plethora of issues. Well if you disarm the the population and the military decides to take over and it comes down to an armed revolution your pretty screwed. Why are the federal

Re: MD Evolution, Wilber and Whitehead

2001-07-03 Thread John Beasley
Hi Platt, Thanks for the information on the 'inner gesture'. I have used this several times with partial success. By this I mean that while the 'overt' voice that is addressed does in fact fall silent, I find there is a 'meta-voice' that seems to partly take over. This 'meta-voice' does not have