Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists

2011-05-30 Thread symphonick
Update: I've finished version 2, following the ongoing discussions. Also some topics were added, please have your say. http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:symphonick/Unofficial_CSG_release_names Can I also get some initial comments for a howto I've just started:

Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists

2011-05-30 Thread Brant Gibbard
://bgibbard.ca -Original Message- From: musicbrainz-style-boun...@lists.musicbrainz.org [mailto:musicbrainz-style-boun...@lists.musicbrainz.org] On Behalf Of symphonick Sent: May-30-11 10:03 AM To: MusicBrainz Style Discussion Subject: Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists

Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists

2011-05-30 Thread Brant Gibbard
[mailto:musicbrainz-style-boun...@lists.musicbrainz.org] On Behalf Of symphonick Sent: May-30-11 10:03 AM To: MusicBrainz Style Discussion Subject: Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists Update: I've finished version 2, following the ongoing discussions. Also some topics were added

Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists

2011-05-30 Thread symphonick
On Mon, 30 May 2011 16:27:36 +0200, Brant Gibbard bgibb...@ca.inter.net wrote: Update: I'm still getting used to the new format in SNG, and I never noticed the Artist as credited field, which is now what I guess you mean in the

Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists

2011-05-30 Thread Brant Gibbard
To: MusicBrainz Style Discussion Subject: Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists Update: I've finished version 2, following the ongoing discussions. Also some topics were added, please have your say. http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:symphonick/Unofficial_CSG_rel ease_names Can I

Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists

2011-05-30 Thread Brant Gibbard
To: MusicBrainz Style Discussion Subject: Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists On Mon, 30 May 2011 16:27:36 +0200, Brant Gibbard bgibb...@ca.inter.net wrote: Update: I'm still getting used to the new format in SNG, and I never noticed the Artist as credited field

Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists

2011-05-30 Thread symphonick
On Mon, 30 May 2011 16:32:04 +0200, Brant Gibbard bgibb...@ca.inter.net wrote: In terms of the howto page one thing I would look at is the wording: The title is in all caps on the cover, we don't enter that. under the Title Release Group section. I know that you mean to standardise

Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists

2011-05-30 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2011/5/30 symphonick symphon...@gmail.com On Mon, 30 May 2011 16:32:04 +0200, Brant Gibbard bgibb...@ca.inter.net wrote: In terms of the howto page one thing I would look at is the wording: The title is in all caps on the cover, we don't enter that. under the Title Release Group

Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists

2011-05-30 Thread Brant Gibbard
Message- From: musicbrainz-style-boun...@lists.musicbrainz.org [mailto:musicbrainz-style-boun...@lists.musicbrainz.org] On Behalf Of symphonick Sent: May-30-11 10:45 AM To: MusicBrainz Style Discussion Subject: Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists On Mon, 30 May 2011

Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists

2011-05-30 Thread symphonick
On Mon, 30 May 2011 17:01:12 +0200, Brant Gibbard bgibb...@ca.inter.net wrote: Perhaps something like: The title is in all caps on the cover, but we normally standardise capitalisation unless there is a strong reason to believe that the musicians (as opposed to the cover designer)

Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists

2011-05-30 Thread symphonick
On Mon, 30 May 2011 16:55:01 +0200, Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com wrote: What about also putting an example? Sorry, it was you who were asking for an example. Explain. /symphonick ___ MusicBrainz-style mailing list

Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists

2011-05-30 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2011/5/30 symphonick symphon...@gmail.com On Mon, 30 May 2011 16:55:01 +0200, Frederic Da Vitoria davito...@gmail.com wrote: What about also putting an example? Sorry, it was you who were asking for an example. Explain. Example: (...) so that the printed title SYMPHONIE FATASTIQUE

Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists

2011-05-30 Thread Brant Gibbard
-style-boun...@lists.musicbrainz.org [mailto:musicbrainz-style-boun...@lists.musicbrainz.org] On Behalf Of symphonick Sent: May-30-11 11:05 AM To: MusicBrainz Style Discussion Subject: Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists On Mon, 30 May 2011 17:01:12 +0200, Brant Gibbard

Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists

2011-05-30 Thread symphonick
On Mon, 30 May 2011 17:16:24 +0200, Brant Gibbard bgibb...@ca.inter.net wrote: If you mean an example where all caps would be appropriate? I can't off-hand think of a classical example. Most of the cases I have heard people mention with weird capitalization, deliberately strange

Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists

2011-05-30 Thread Wieland Hoffmann
Hallo, symphonick: Update: I've finished version 2, following the ongoing discussions. Also some topics were added, please have your say. http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:symphonick/Unofficial_CSG_release_names I'm entering recording location from the booklet in the annotation, since

Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists

2011-05-30 Thread symphonick
On Mon, 30 May 2011 18:42:00 +0200, Wieland Hoffmann themi...@googlemail.com wrote: I'm entering recording location from the booklet in the annotation, since there's no way to record that in MB: Recorded in Stockholm Concert Hall 4-9 November 1991 Well, that's only partially true. You can

Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists

2011-05-28 Thread symphonick
On Mon, 23 May 2011 15:06:52 +0200, Lauri Watts krazyk...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps another way to get at what I am thinking of is to use composer first, and then performers in the order of prominence on the packaging by size of type and then by order of appearance on the cover. This is

Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists: Missa solemnis

2011-05-25 Thread symphonick
2011/5/24, caller#6 meatbyproduct-musicbra...@yahoo.com: On 05/24/2011 02:29 PM, symphonick wrote: I don't understand why you want a default title? I was hoping that was a pre-NGS issue. Sorry. I can see now that I was using default in two different senses. What I mean was, if were

Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists

2011-05-24 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
-boun...@lists.musicbrainz.org] On Behalf Of caller#6 Sent: May-23-11 11:54 AM To: musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org Subject: Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists On 05/23/2011 04:58 AM, Brant Gibbard wrote: From: musicbrainz-style-boun

Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists: Missa solemnis

2011-05-24 Thread symphonick
2011/5/22, caller#6 meatbyproduct-musicbra...@yahoo.com: On 05/21/2011 03:34 PM, symphonick wrote: First version of my research page for CSG release names artists. http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:symphonick/Unofficial_CSG_release_names 2. It seems to me (and I guess you agree) that

Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists: Missa solemnis

2011-05-24 Thread caller#6
On 05/24/2011 02:29 PM, symphonick wrote: 2011/5/22, caller#6meatbyproduct-musicbra...@yahoo.com: 4. Where the liner gives the key in French / English / German, I'd use French as the default, simply because it's a French label. Could that logic be applied to the Release Group title? That

Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists

2011-05-23 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2011/5/22 symphonick symphon...@gmail.com First version of my research page for CSG release names artists. http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:symphonick/Unofficial_CSG_release_names Based on discussions here, my interpretation some guesswork... Tell me what you think. For the Different

Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists

2011-05-23 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
: research for Release names artists First version of my research page for CSG release names artists. http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:symphonick/Unofficial_CSG_rel ease_names Based on discussions here, my interpretation some guesswork... Tell me what you think. -- Frederic Da

Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists

2011-05-23 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2011/5/22 Brant Gibbard bgibb...@ca.inter.net Another issue that would require a UI change to resolve. If you do a an add of a TOC from a disc, the list of potential hits for your chosen artist gives only the title and a list of tracks, no other information. Not even the comment? Or the

Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists

2011-05-23 Thread Brant Gibbard
: musicbrainz-style-boun...@lists.musicbrainz.org [mailto:musicbrainz-style-boun...@lists.musicbrainz.org] On Behalf Of Frederic Da Vitoria Sent: May-23-11 4:49 AM To: MusicBrainz Style Discussion Subject: Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists We could also explain this rule

Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists

2011-05-23 Thread Lauri Watts
Please bear in mind I am not at all a classical afficionado. On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Brant Gibbard bgibb...@ca.inter.net wrote: That one can be a hard call. I would try to think of it in terms of which roles in the recording are the ones I would look at first to choose which recording

Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists

2011-05-23 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2011/5/23 Lauri Watts krazyk...@gmail.com Please bear in mind I am not at all a classical afficionado. I've never understood, nor had satisfactorily explained to me, why CSG needs to deviate much from the way the rest of MB works. It makes perfect sense to me, and always has. I can't of

Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists

2011-05-23 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
] *On Behalf Of *Frederic Da Vitoria *Sent:* May-23-11 4:49 AM *To:* MusicBrainz Style Discussion *Subject:* Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists We could also explain this rule by explaining that it also puts last the Artists which could often be omitted for disambiguation

Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists

2011-05-23 Thread Brant Gibbard
://bgibbard.ca/ _ From: musicbrainz-style-boun...@lists.musicbrainz.org [mailto:musicbrainz-style-boun...@lists.musicbrainz.org] On Behalf Of Frederic Da Vitoria Sent: May-23-11 10:28 AM To: MusicBrainz Style Discussion Subject: Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists

Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists

2011-05-23 Thread Brant Gibbard
-11 10:28 AM To: MusicBrainz Style Discussion Subject: Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists 2011/5/23 Brant Gibbard bgibb...@ca.inter.net That one can be a hard call. I would try to think of it in terms of which roles in the recording are the ones I would look at first

Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists

2011-05-23 Thread Frederic Da Vitoria
2011/5/23 Brant Gibbard bgibb...@ca.inter.net Back to the ordering issue, I think it is crucial that the composer come first, because it is likely the first one that people will choose for purposes of sorting and ordering their files or CD collections. I don't think it actually matters to a

Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists

2011-05-23 Thread caller#6
: research for Release names artists 2011/5/22 Brant Gibbard bgibb...@ca.inter.net mailto:bgibb...@ca.inter.net Another issue that would require a UI change to resolve. If you do a an add of a TOC from a disc, the list of potential hits for your chosen artist gives only the title

Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists

2011-05-23 Thread Brant Gibbard
11:54 AM To: musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org Subject: Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists On 05/23/2011 04:58 AM, Brant Gibbard wrote: From: musicbrainz-style-boun...@lists.musicbrainz.org [mailto:musicbrainz-style-boun...@lists.musicbrainz.org] On Behalf

Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists

2011-05-23 Thread Brant Gibbard
-boun...@lists.musicbrainz.org [mailto:musicbrainz-style-boun...@lists.musicbrainz.org] On Behalf Of caller#6 Sent: May-23-11 11:54 AM To: musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org Subject: Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists On 05/23/2011 04:58 AM, Brant Gibbard wrote: From

Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists

2011-05-23 Thread Nikki
@lists.musicbrainz.org Subject: Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists On 05/23/2011 04:58 AM, Brant Gibbard wrote: From: musicbrainz-style-boun...@lists.musicbrainz.org [mailto:musicbrainz-style-boun...@lists.musicbrainz.org] On Behalf Of Frederic Da Vitoria Sent: May-23

Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists

2011-05-23 Thread Brant Gibbard
Subject: Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists By the way, there's a ticket here http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/MBS-684 Nikki Brant Gibbard wrote: Sorry, I mis-spoke. I was testing with the annotation, and I had forgotten about the existence of the comment

Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists: Missa solemnis

2011-05-23 Thread caramel
2011/5/22 caller#6 meatbyproduct-musicbra...@yahoo.com On 05/21/2011 03:34 PM, symphonick wrote: First version of my research page for CSG release names artists. http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:symphonick/Unofficial_CSG_release_names Based on discussions here, my interpretation

Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists: Missa solemnis

2011-05-22 Thread caller#6
On 05/21/2011 03:34 PM, symphonick wrote: First version of my research page for CSG release names artists. http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:symphonick/Unofficial_CSG_release_names Based on discussions here, my interpretation some guesswork... Tell me what you think. /symphonick A few

Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists: Missasolemnis

2011-05-22 Thread Brant Gibbard
: musicbrainz-style-boun...@lists.musicbrainz.org [mailto:musicbrainz-style-boun...@lists.musicbrainz.org] On Behalf Of caller#6 Sent: May-22-11 1:33 PM To: musicbrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org Subject: Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists: Missasolemnis On 05/21/2011

Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists

2011-05-22 Thread Brant Gibbard
[mailto:musicbrainz-style-boun...@lists.musicbrainz.org] On Behalf Of symphonick Sent: May-21-11 6:35 PM To: MusicBrainz Style Discussion Subject: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists First version of my research page for CSG release names artists. http://wiki.musicbrainz.org

[mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists

2011-05-21 Thread symphonick
First version of my research page for CSG release names artists. http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:symphonick/Unofficial_CSG_release_names Based on discussions here, my interpretation some guesswork... Tell me what you think. /symphonick ___

Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists

2011-05-21 Thread Brant Gibbard
, ON -Original Message- From: musicbrainz-style-boun...@lists.musicbrainz.org [mailto:musicbrainz-style-boun...@lists.musicbrainz.org] On Behalf Of symphonick Sent: May-21-11 6:35 PM To: MusicBrainz Style Discussion Subject: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists First version

Re: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists

2011-05-21 Thread Brant Gibbard
Sent: May-21-11 6:35 PM To: MusicBrainz Style Discussion Subject: [mb-style] CSG: research for Release names artists First version of my research page for CSG release names artists. http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:symphonick/Unofficial_CSG_rel ease_names Based on discussions here