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On 17/Jun/20 16:30, Robert Blayzor wrote: > > They are truly ridiculous to deal with. Turning up a new 10G dual stack > link with BGP. At turn-up time they tell us we have to order BGP for > IPv6 separately. So you order a circuit with IPv4+IPv6 w/ BGP, but it > doesn't click to them you need

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On 9/16/19 9:30 AM, Jon Sands wrote: > The last time I dealt with them, it took a little over 3 months to get > them to turn up basic BGP service. To top it off the sales rep was fired > in the middle of our deployment. Cogent seems to have higher rep > turnover than anything else I've dealt with.

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Peace, On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 12:54 AM Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > Those were all helpfully routed, until quite recently, to Mr. Cohen The person with exactly the same name now runs for the RIPE NCC Executive Board membership.

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* r...@tristatelogic.com (Ronald F. Guilmette) [Fri 20 Sep 2019, 00:50 CEST]: Leaving aside the minor quibble that "Dutch" is not, as far as I am aware, a "race" per se, I do apologize for having improperly and quite wrongly generalized the apparent confluence of of certain events and actions

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> Darin Steffl wrote : > It may be unethical to pull emails from ARIN listings but their sales guys > have a job to do and quotas to meet. There is no excuse for spamming. Ever. > Also, just because you don't like their sales process doesn't mean their > network is bad. It actually does. They

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> On Sep 22, 2019, at 06:02 , Darin Steffl wrote: > > It may be unethical to pull emails from ARIN listings but their sales guys > have a job to do and quotas to meet. It’s not just unethical. It violates the ToS/AUP for Whois which is clearly attached to the results from each whois query.

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Call me juvenile all you like, it doesn't bother me... :-) Being one of the younger folks in this industry, it's definitely not the first time. If you like Cogent, that's great, but don't attack me just because I think their sales reps are shady. I can assure you that the reps that were

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Tim, The reps themselves have not been unethical. They've not lied or been dishonest to me in the sales process at all. Comparing them to a shady used car salesman is not a fair comparison. They are likely given a list of leads and need to make so many cold calls to show they're trying to make

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They are not that cheap... Best regards, Dmitry Sherman Interhost Networks www.interhost.co.il dmi...@interhost.net Mob: 054-3181182 Sent from Steve's creature [X] On 22 Sep 2019, at 16:49, Tim Burke mailto:t...@tburke.us>> wrote:

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Ethical business practices are quite important to me... I don't care how their pricing is, if every one of their sales reps is on-par with a used car salesman, I want nothing to do with them. No other carrier I deal with acts in this fashion. If you're OK with cheap bandwidth sold by car

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It may be unethical to pull emails from ARIN listings but their sales guys have a job to do and quotas to meet. Don't get mad at the sales reps, maybe think a little higher up the food chain. Each rep I've had has been very fair and respectful. If I don't need anything new, I tell them to

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That is just The Cogent Way™, unfortunately. I just had (yet another) Cogent rep spam me using an email address that is _only_ used as an ARIN contact, trying to sell me bandwidth. When I called him out on it, with complia...@arin.net CCed, he backpedaled and claimed to obtain my information

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In message <20190919084649.gc30...@jima.tpb.net>, niels=na...@bakker.net wrote: >* r...@tristatelogic.com (Ronald F. Guilmette) [Thu 19 Sep 2019, 10:05 CEST]: >>I never like to generalize to entire populations, and I will >>therefore refrain from suggesting any endemic or widespread defect

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On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 11:43 AM William Herrin wrote: > > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 7:58 AM Christopher Morrow > wrote: >> >> What I'm asking is: "there is already repair for the harmed parties, >> if they are not taking advantage of this then I don't think we need to >> spend more time on

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On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 7:58 AM Christopher Morrow wrote: > What I'm asking is: "there is already repair for the harmed parties, > if they are not taking advantage of this then I don't think we need to > spend more time on this topic" > Hi Chris, I respectfully disagree with the assertion that

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Cogent are spamming seriously, they call me from different phone number in Frankfurt and USA in holidays or at night. -- Dmitry Sherman Interhost Networks Ltd dmi...@interhost.net Mobile: +972-54-3181182 Office: +972-74-7029881 Web: www.interhost.co.il On 17/09/2019, 3:25, "NANOG on behalf of

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On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 4:05 AM Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > > In message > > Christopher Morrow wrote: > > >"who cares about the sale?" > > My apologies. I see that I have failed to be adequately clear. > I was misunderstood I think. What I'm asking is: "there is already repair for the

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* r...@tristatelogic.com (Ronald F. Guilmette) [Thu 19 Sep 2019, 10:05 CEST]: I never like to generalize to entire populations, and I will therefore refrain from suggesting any endemic or widespread defect in the Dutch national psyche, but I cannot help but note that, as pointed out in the

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In message Christopher Morrow wrote: >"who cares about the sale?" My apologies. I see that I have failed to be adequately clear. There was no "sale". There was only theft, and then stolen goods being passed from hand to hand to hand, ultimately ending up in the hands of Mr. Cohen, who has

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On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 11:19 PM Ben Cannon wrote: > With the difficulty of getting IPs off SPAM RBLs being what they are, I’m > not sure I like the bone-chilling idea of accepting null-routing entire > ranges as standard practice. > I didn't say spam-rbl. > > Same reasons, no central

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With the difficulty of getting IPs off SPAM RBLs being what they are, I’m not sure I like the bone-chilling idea of accepting null-routing entire ranges as standard practice. Same reasons, no central repository, no easy/quick/objective/cheap way to remove an illegitimate entry - and then the

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I tried to ask this earlier, I think, but... "who cares about the sale?" I ask this because I think getting wrapped around that axle is the wrong place to spend resources. If the outcome of 'someone' controlling IP space is that there is abusive activity coming from that space and either no

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It would be good to see some receipts, offered by the selling party.

Elad Cohen (was: Re: Cogent sales reps who actually respond)

In message , Elad Cohen wrote: >Please see the following link: > >https://afrinic.net/resource-certification > >As you can see, a MyAFRINIC account is required. > >Yes, route objects for legacy AFRINIC resources in their RIR operated IRRDB > as a fallback for RPKI can be created and they were

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gt; Martijn > From: Elad Cohen > Sent: 18 September 2019 00:40:13 > To: Martijn Schmidt ; nanog@nanog.org > > Subject: Re: Cogent sales reps who actually respond > > Hello Martin, unfortunately RPKI is not yet technically possible for

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. From: Martijn Schmidt Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 1:45 AM To: Elad Cohen ; nanog@nanog.org ; Martijn Schmidt Subject: Re: Cogent sales reps who actually respond Hi Elad, Is this policy officially documented by AFRINIC somewhere? Can you make route objects for legacy AFRINIC

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from accidental leaks or hijacks, so that's a nice bonus. :) Best regards, Martijn Schmidt From: NANOG on behalf of Elad Cohen Sent: 17 September 2019 11:09:19 To: Ronald F. Guilmette ; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Cogent sales reps who actually respond

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From: Elad Cohen Sent: 18 September 2019 00:40:13 To: Martijn Schmidt ; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Cogent sales reps who actually respond Hello Martin, unfortunately RPKI is not yet technically possible for a legacy range in Afrinic. _ Hi, https://afrinic.net/membership/legacy

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lad Cohen > >> Sent: 18 September 2019 00:40:13 > >> To: Martijn Schmidt ; nanog@nanog.org > >> > >> Subject: Re: Cogent sales reps who actually respond > >> > >> Hello Martin, unfortunately RPKI is not yet technically possible for a >

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On 9/16/19 7:21 PM, Mike Lyon wrote: > 1. Sprint peering battle. Google it > 2. He.net peering battle. Google it. > 3. Google IPv6 peering battle. Google it. > > All of which point to them being pompous assholes. Add in Level3, Telia, ESnet, and I'm sure I'm forgetting others here. Hurricane

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esources in their RIR operated IRRDB as a >> fallback for RPKI? >> >> Best regards, >> Martijn >> From: Elad Cohen >> Sent: 18 September 2019 00:40:13 >> To: Martijn Schmidt ; nanog@nanog.org >> >> Subject: Re:

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Best regards, > Martijn > From: Elad Cohen > Sent: 18 September 2019 00:40:13 > To: Martijn Schmidt ; nanog@nanog.org > > Subject: Re: Cogent sales reps who actually respond > > Hello Martin, unfortunately RPKI is not yet technically possible for a legac

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Schmidt ; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Cogent sales reps who actually respond Hello Martin, unfortunately RPKI is not yet technically possible for a legacy range in Afrinic. From: Martijn Schmidt Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 11:44 PM To: Elad Cohen ; Ronald

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to improve. Best regards, Martijn From: NANOG on behalf of Ronald F. Guilmette Sent: 17 September 2019 23:48:06 To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: RPKI (was: Re: Cogent sales reps who actually respond) In message , Martijn Schmidt wrote: >Hi Elad, > >If

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On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 5:49 PM Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > > In message > , > Martijn Schmidt wrote: > > >Hi Elad, > > > >If you were to create RPKI ROAs for the IPs in question... > > Thanks Martijn, for reminding me of a follow-up point that I had intended > to make regarding my recent post

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or hijacks, so that's a nice bonus. :) Best regards, Martijn Schmidt From: NANOG on behalf of Elad Cohen Sent: 17 September 2019 11:09:19 To: Ronald F. Guilmette ; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Cogent sales reps who actually respond The defamatory and invective

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> The defamatory and invective words, the mudslinging and slander of my > name, by Ronald Guilmette is he a cogent sales rep? that would explain a lot!

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belong to us can sent me a direct e-mail and i would be happy to explain and provide evidence. thank you. From: NANOG on behalf of Ronald F. Guilmette Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 7:07 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Cogent sales reps who actually respond

Re: Cogent sales reps who actually respond

In message , Elad Cohen wrote: >The defamatory and invective words, the mudslinging and slander of my name, > by Ronald Guilmette, are not true at all and they are completely false, in > my hand there are all the purchases approval for purchasing ipv4 and that >were paid completely by me. >

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In message , "Stephen M." wrote: >Please don't praise or complain like we're supposed to take >it at a total face value. If you don=E2=80=99t like them so much - we are >you're audience. Explain. > >If you like Cogent - explain. >If you don=E2=80=99t like Cogent - explain. I see that many

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> And why are they not on any public peering exchange? Why only private? the deeper question is why do they only use green ether cables when they should use magenta? tier ones do not push a lot over public ixen. their choice. welcome to the realities of the internet. glad you found us. randy

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And why are they not on any public peering exchange? Why only private? > On Sep 16, 2019, at 19:35, Owen DeLong wrote: > > > >>> On Sep 16, 2019, at 17:48 , Randy Bush wrote: >>> >>> 1. Sprint peering battle. Google it >>> 2. He.net peering battle. Google it. >>> 3. Google IPv6 peering

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Within the past year or two i’ve seen it occur. > On Sep 16, 2019, at 18:44, Ben Cannon wrote: > > “They also run their links hot which create latency for anything flowing > through it.” > > Mike, I’d have agreed with you - 15 years ago. Is this current at all? My > views on Cogent have

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> On Sep 16, 2019, at 17:48 , Randy Bush wrote: > >> 1. Sprint peering battle. Google it >> 2. He.net peering battle. Google it. >> 3. Google IPv6 peering battle. Google it. >> >> All of which point to them being pompous assholes. > > or point to them treating ipv6 the same as ipv4 when it

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On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 9:45 PM Ben Cannon wrote: > > “They also run their links hot which create latency for anything flowing > through it.” > > Mike, I’d have agreed with you - 15 years ago. Is this current at all? My > views on Cogent have evolved dramatically over the years. How recent is

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“They also run their links hot which create latency for anything flowing through it.” Mike, I’d have agreed with you - 15 years ago. Is this current at all? My views on Cogent have evolved dramatically over the years. How recent is your data? -Ben > On Sep 16, 2019, at 4:21 PM, Mike Lyon

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>>> 1. Sprint peering battle. Google it >>> 2. He.net peering battle. Google it. >>> 3. Google IPv6 peering battle. Google it. >>> >>> All of which point to them being pompous assholes. >> >> or point to them treating ipv6 the same as ipv4 when it comes to >> peering, tech, ... we are supposed to

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Ah, sorry, I didn't understand your message. Nevermind. On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 8:53 PM Ross Tajvar wrote: > > 1. Sprint peering battle. Google it >> > 2. He.net peering battle. Google it. >> > 3. Google IPv6 peering battle. Google it. >> > >> > All of which point to them being pompous

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> > > 1. Sprint peering battle. Google it > > 2. He.net peering battle. Google it. > > 3. Google IPv6 peering battle. Google it. > > > > All of which point to them being pompous assholes. > > or point to them treating ipv6 the same as ipv4 when it comes to > peering, tech, ... we are supposed to

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> 1. Sprint peering battle. Google it > 2. He.net peering battle. Google it. > 3. Google IPv6 peering battle. Google it. > > All of which point to them being pompous assholes. or point to them treating ipv6 the same as ipv4 when it comes to peering, tech, ... we are supposed to think ipv6

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Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Mike Lyon" To: "Stephen M." Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 6:21:37 PM Subject: Re: Cogent sales reps who actually respond The argument has been listed numerous times so i didn’t

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> If you don’t like Cogent - explain. Besides the peering issues, they can't stop spamming. If after 20 attempts on the phone you have not picked up, they start to send email. They abuse whois. They are one of the primary reasons few people put their real phone number in whois. And I have

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> On Sep 16, 2019, at 16:21 , Mike Lyon wrote: > > The argument has been listed numerous times so i didn’t want to bore people: > > 1. Sprint peering battle. Google it Amusingly in this particular case, I’d say SPRINT started it as SPRINT was the original "we’re too arrogant to peer with

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The argument has been listed numerous times so i didn’t want to bore people: 1. Sprint peering battle. Google it 2. He.net peering battle. Google it. 3. Google IPv6 peering battle. Google it. All of which point to them being pompous assholes. They also run their links hot which create latency

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Please don’t praise or complain like we’re supposed to take it at a total face value. If you don’t like them so much - we are you’re audience. Explain. If you like Cogent - explain. If you don’t like Cogent - explain. Cheers, Stephen //please pardon any brevities - sent from mobile// > On

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Whenever asked about Cogent, i just say, “Friends don’t let friends use Cogent.” I’ve told two of their reps over the past two years that even if the service was free, i wouldn’t use it. And yet, they still call. -Mike > On Sep 16, 2019, at 13:53, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > > In message ,

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In message , Owen DeLong wrote: >Given their practice of harvesting whois updates in order to spam newly >acquired AS contacts, any time it is my decision, Cogent is ineligible >as a vendor. So I guess then that their aiding and abetting of fraud and IP block theft, as I documented here

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s. From: NANOG On Behalf Of David Hubbard Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 11:36 AM To: n...@as37662.com n...@as37662.com ; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Cogent sales reps who actually respond Our sales rep has been great, but unfortunately, for him, every time he calls and I ask if Cogent is g

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AM To: "n...@as37662.com n...@as37662.com" Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" Subject: Re: Cogent sales reps who actually respond Given their practice of harvesting whois updates in order to spam newly acquired AS contacts, any time it is my decision, Cogent is ineligible as a vendor.

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Probably going to shoot myself in the foot but we have been with Cogent for 14 years and I have nothing but praise for their Service,  NOC and my Sales Rep who is top notch. As usual, everyone's mileage will vary but it seems I am on the luckier side in having this good experience with Cogent

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Given their practice of harvesting whois updates in order to spam newly acquired AS contacts, any time it is my decision, Cogent is ineligible as a vendor. I’ve had no trouble getting their reps to respond when the decision has come from above, but I prefer to avoid doing business with them.

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On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 04:13:55PM -0400, n...@as37662.com n...@as37662.com wrote: > Do any orgs here have experience with a good Cogent rep? The rep we got > via Cogent's website is unresponsive to even basic questions. It feels > like we are dealing with a bot and copy-pasted replies.

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When they do their cold calls I tend to answer «Call again in 6 months, if you are still with Cogent then.» Most sales reps don‘t survive that long. #SCNR -- Fredy Kuenzler Init7 (Switzerland) Ltd. Technoparkstrasse 5 CH-8406 Winterthur Switzerland http://www.init7.net/ > Am 16.09.2019 um

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Actually yes, I have a few great contacts over there these days. Very different company from years back. -Ben. -Ben Cannon CEO 6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC b...@6by7.net > On Sep 15, 2019, at 1:13 PM, n...@as37662.com n...@as37662.com > wrote: > > Hi fellow

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gent sales reps who actually respond The last time I dealt with them, it took a little over 3 months to get them to turn up basic BGP service. To top it off the sales rep was fired in the middle of our deployment. Cogent seems to have higher rep turnover than anything else I've dealt with.

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The last time I dealt with them, it took a little over 3 months to get them to turn up basic BGP service. To top it off the sales rep was fired in the middle of our deployment. Cogent seems to have higher rep turnover than anything else I've dealt with. Buckle up and have fun! On 9/15/2019