Re: [NetBehaviour] The artist is typing | online exhibition at Storage Un.it | September 1 - 30, 2016

Would it be more accurate to say the artist is hyping...? Bob From: Randall Packer To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity Sent: Thursday, 1 September 2016, 16:18 Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] The artist is typing |

Re: [NetBehaviour] electronic poetry

Hi Dave, Edward Picot's The Hyperliterature Exchange at hyperex.co.uk is worth checking out. Bob From: dave miller dave.miller...@gmail.com To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Sent: Tuesday, 14 October 2014, 10:14 Subject: Re:

Re: [NetBehaviour] Dementia

Edward, A difficult subject to tackle. You've found a simple, sensitive and effective way of communicating it. Dementia is a growing problem of our aging population and your piece contributes to a better understanding. I found it moving and compassionate. Bob

Re: [NetBehaviour] Artists virtually gatecrash Google's DevArt Barbican exhibit

Mez, 'Spruiking' is a new one on me. What does spruiking the hell out of it mean? Bob From: mez breeze netwur...@gmail.com To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Sent: Saturday, 2 August 2014, 0:27 Subject: Re:

[NetBehaviour] hashtag #JewsAndArabsRefuseToBeEnemies

Some interesting net behaviour... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-28439551 Bob ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour

Re: [NetBehaviour] I Ain't Livin' Long Like This

Didn't Hank Williams summed it all up?... I'll Never Get Out Of This World Alive, and what about Bob Dylan's timely reminder?... Death Is Not The End From: Alan Sondheim sondh...@panix.com To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Sent: Monday, 4 November 2013, 6:09

Re: [NetBehaviour] my new t-shirt!

Marc, What might help is a better alternative. How about changing the slogan to SUCKISM: It's Neoliberal!! ? [SUCKISM - an economic system that's Stupid, Unsustainable, Corrupt and Kills]. Bob From: marc garrett marc.garr...@furtherfield.org To:

Re: [NetBehaviour] my new t-shirt!

Marc, Nice colour... but 'Neoliberalism' is an ugly label. Whoever invented it hasn't done anyone a favour. In oppositional culture and politics labels make all the difference. The 'Greens' get it, the 'Anarcho-syndicalists' don't. Critiquing Neoliberalism ain't gonna make it with anyone

[NetBehaviour] TENCERE TAVA HAVASI (Sound of Pots and Pans)

The Sound of Pots and Pans, Istanbul http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-kbuS-anD4 Bob ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour

Re: [NetBehaviour] on lying

c...@lab404.com wrote Saturday, 30 March 2013: Here is a short thing I wrote on lying: http://www.terminalapsu.org/2013/03/30/on-lying/ Curt, You're in very good company... Art is a lie that makes us realize truth, at least the truth that is given us to understand. The artist must know

Re: [NetBehaviour] Georgio Morandi: Lines of Poetry.

Michael, For me, the key insight of your first posting was the observation that powerful life affirming works of art have been created by artists whose convictions were plainly less than affirmative, and sometimes downright nasty. That in those cases, their achievement and talent transcended

Re: [NetBehaviour] Georgio Morandi: Lines of Poetry.

Michael Szpakowski wrote: It strikes me there's a kind of grace here which is available to artists and not to philosophers. Ultimately all philosophy is a call to action or at least a framework for it. Art, on the contrary, enables even the personally wicked or the politically vile the

Re: [NetBehaviour] The Guardian's Art Critic has Put Away His Digital Camera...

Edward, Often it seems the real point of these 'opinion' pieces is to provoke responses and generate 'traffic'. The more debatable the better. You can't lose. The Guardian art critic equates digital photography with online photo-sharing. Nonsense, of course. Images don't have to be uploaded to

Re: [NetBehaviour] An interview with Katrina Sluis, Digital Curator at the Photographers’ Gallery.

Marc, Thanks for responding in such a positive way. Katrina is clearly very knowledgeable. I look forward to understanding her! Interviews are often accessible because they're more in the nature of a  conversation. The interview you've done would probably be excellent in an academic journal.

Re: [NetBehaviour] An interview with Katrina Sluis, Digital Curator at the Photographers’ Gallery.

Michael, Thanks for your comments. I hope my intervention empowers Marc to represent people like me when interviewing specialists, and to liberate the specialists by asking them to communicate 'informally' - something they may not often have a chance to do.Win-win? Bob

Re: [NetBehaviour] An interview with Katrina Sluis, Digital Curator at the Photographers’ Gallery.

Marc, I found your interview with Katrina Sluis disturbing, disappointing and massively contradictory. It seems she's very concerned to emphasise her 'inclusive' position yet uses highly exclusive language to express this. Why? Why communicate in a pretentious way that leaves the vast

Re: [NetBehaviour] Read this about Gilbert George in the Evening Standard yesterday

Michael, Are you suggesting that there's no connection between ethics and aesthetics in the work artists produce? Bob From: Michael Szpakowski szp...@yahoo.com To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Sent:

Re: [NetBehaviour] Can glitch art go public?

Pall Thayer wrote Tuesday, 6 March 2012: Until we can get the general public to acknowledge and engage with work at the code level, then yes... I would say that glitch art will be confined to those in the know. Pall, Joe public has little idea how films or cars or tv sets are put together but

Re: [NetBehaviour] Can glitch art go public?

Pall Thayer wrote Tuesday, 6 March 2012: Until we can get the general public to acknowledge and engage with work at the code level, then yes... I would say that glitch art will be confined to those in the know. Pall, Joe public has little idea how films or cars or tv sets are put together but

Re: [NetBehaviour] worries about blacklists

James, Calling yourself an 'artist' doesn't make you one. There are many such artists in the world. Ironically there are those without that self-description who don't realise that they are. Bob From: James Morris ja...@jwm-art.net To: NetBehaviour for

Re: [NetBehaviour] fail better

Michael, I disagree withJohn Baldessari. Painting and photography are radically different picture-making processes - one is based on synthesis and the other on selection. In a painting or drawing you start with nothing and have to add. In photography you start with everything and have to

Re: [NetBehaviour] Learn To Draw

http://jacksonpollock.org/ Bob From: Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org To: netBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2012, 18:30 Subject: [NetBehaviour] Learn To Draw Are there any sites or

Re: [NetBehaviour] video too

Michael, It's good! Ok? Good. Bob From: Michael Szpakowski szp...@yahoo.com To: netbehaviour netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Sent: Sunday, 8 January 2012, 12:18 Subject: [NetBehaviour] video too I made a video too: http://youtu.be/vLSu5EMykqI cheers

Re: [NetBehaviour] The Iron Lady: The Margaret Thatcher Movie We Don't Need

Hello NBs in the UK, Re Thatcher, please consider signingthis official petition, which has a real sense of logic and justice about it. http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/18914 Bob From: dave miller dave.miller...@gmail.com To: NetBehaviour for

Re: [NetBehaviour] The End of Growth

Joel Weishaus wrote: Humans have always been saved by nature, not the other way around. You're right Joel, but not in the way you suggest. Humans have always been part of nature. We're one of nature's wonderful creations. Why would nature imbue humans with imagination and the capacity to

Re: [NetBehaviour] The End of Growth

are when artists are most needed., gifted people who have Cezanne's anxiety.     Best,  Joel        - Original Message - From: bob catchpole To: Joel Weishaus ; NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 2:15 AM Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] The End

Re: [NetBehaviour] GIF MARKET

Kim, GIF US A BREAK! Bob From: kim asendorf k...@kaubonschen.com To: netbehaviour netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Sent: Tuesday, 2 August 2011, 1:04 Subject: [NetBehaviour] GIF MARKET GIF MARKET Seeing digital art as a collector's item is still pretty new.

Re: [NetBehaviour] should we not react about what happened Aaron Swartz?

Simon, Thank you for such a clear exposition! Bob From: Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Sent: Fri, 22 July, 2011 11:03:56 Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] should we not react about

Re: [NetBehaviour] friend request

Ana, I'm no fan of Facebook - the contrary - but the link you posted does not seem to confirm what you said. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5glrdg_c6lwx69-q_kxRP4tTyOq9Q You said Facebook provided Israel with lists of American and European Palestine activists. The article

Re: [NetBehaviour] dream

! Thanks! m. --- On Mon, 6/6/11, bob catchpole bobcatchp...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: bob catchpole bobcatchp...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] dream To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Monday, June 6, 2011, 9:00 PM Michael, It's

Re: [NetBehaviour] dream

Michael, It's a beautiful, haunting piece. The dramatic setting and the plaintive music communicates movingly the inner emotions of the tiny human figure in the frame... solitude, yearning and resilience are all mixed up in there. Since the piece is essentially two shots have you considered

Re: [NetBehaviour] functional creativitv

Andreas Maria Jacobs wrote Mon, 16 May, 2011 22:34:51 This godforsaken world needs a new god, a fitt and strong one this time not the old man we had before, but someone who is capable to clean the mess we're in, cozz we ain't gonna make it on our own anymore, at least not me Andreas,

Re: [NetBehaviour] Cariou vs. Prince: THE COPYRIGHT BUNGLE

On 02/04/11 14:01, Rob Myers wrote: (Documentary photography) is also, as any judge can see, simply a mechanical reproduction of other people's property to the extent that it competently reproduces a recognizable image of it. So there!... Diane Arbus, Bill Brandt, August Sander, Josef

Re: [NetBehaviour] Cariou vs. Prince: THE COPYRIGHT BUNGLE

On 01/04/11 18:05, Rob Myers wrote: what is actually happening is that an artist is being told to destroy their work by a judge who doesn't understand copyright. And you do? Bob___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org

Re: [NetBehaviour] Cariou vs. Prince: THE COPYRIGHT BUNGLE

On 01/04/11 21:46, Rob Myers wrote: Documentary photography is simple uncompensated theft of an image, and yet in this case we are being asked to privilege that over the creation of a unique original artwork. So the documentary photography of Andre Kertesz, Robert Frank, Bill Brandt, Diane

Re: [NetBehaviour] Cariou vs. Prince: THE COPYRIGHT BUNGLE

On 02/04/11 0:27, Rob Myers wrote: Yes. Yes?... that the documentary photography of Andre Kertesz, Robert Frank, Bill Brandt, Diane Arbus, W. Eugene Smith, Josef Koudelka, Inge Morath, Raghu Rai, August Sander, Dorothea Lange, Henri Cartier-Bresson, Walker Evans, Eve Arnold, Ernest Cole,

[NetBehaviour] education

Hi Marc, I think education is what you find on a list like this. It's messy, completely unplanned and often happens in unexpected ways. We're here because we're learning from each other. In the process, each person's contribution is crucial, hence the need to be tolerant - especially of the

Re: [NetBehaviour] I want to ask Jacques Derrida a question.

Or could it be that the echo of the language flows across the space of the absence to the ghost of the disembodied matter of it's own arse? Bob Curt Cloninger c...@lab404.com wrote Fri, 11 December, 2009 23:19:45 Bakhtin might disagree -- matter flows into

Re: [NetBehaviour] TIME

TIME IS LOVE Bob manik ma...@sbb.rs wrote Wed, 18 November, 2009 22:38:31 TIME IS MONEY... ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org

Re: [NetBehaviour] DIWO : Can you come out and play with me?

Marc, It takes talent to recognise talent... could be why it's taken a long time!... Bob marc garrett marc.garr...@furtherfield.org wrote 16 November, 2009 11:22:43 Shockingly, this is our first award ever. This may be because we never enter competitions,

Re: [NetBehaviour] DIWO at the Dark Mountain - complexity

There are all kinds of ways to approach this. For example, one of the consumer society's most pernicious myths is that 'you are what you consume'. The project of art seems to oppose this, declaring 'you are what you produce'. Artists have little trouble recognising the emptiness of the myth -

Re: [NetBehaviour] Missing persons

Interesting... vanish from the internet and you become a missing person? Bob From: Brian Droitcour brian.droitc...@rhizome.org To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Sent: Friday, 13 March, 2009 18:23:08 Subject: [NetBehaviour] Missing persons Hi, I'm the

[NetBehaviour] thru-you.com

Marc, Thanks for your offering the other day! Check this out... http://thru-you.com/ inspired stuff... Bob ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour

[NetBehaviour] uk govt on copy right, left and don't know

UK opposes copyright exemptions for mash-ups... http://www.out-law.com//default.aspx?page=9838 Bob ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour

[NetBehaviour] boy oh boy cott

Sorry to intrude guys, but for some time now the thread has sounded like something out of Monty Python... I have to accept some responsibility, since I introduced the idea of artists as truth-seekers. Simon responded 'which truth'? My truth had been offered in the same short posting, that the

Re: [NetBehaviour] boycotts etc

I agree. Artists I admire are seekers of truth, not given to ill-considered me-jerk reactions... Bob From: Donna Kuhn do...@onlinewebart.com To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Sent: Tuesday, 17 February, 2009 17:33:39 Subject: [NetBehaviour] boycotts etc i

Re: [NetBehaviour] [Fwd: BOYCOTT BLOOMBERG - CALL FOR CONTRIBUTIONS]

Well put. The call to boycott an individual - Jewish or not - only trivializes a social, political and historical issue. Bob From: Michael Szpakowski szp...@yahoo.com To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Sent:

Re: [NetBehaviour] Does it mean something?

Richard, Did you mean bob? Why shout? Btw, thanks for your telling analogy on lifts yesterday... you also create the knock-on effect of making the able-bodied less fit and lazier by giving them an effort-free mechanism of going upstairs. much better for the body - and mind - to take the

Re: [NetBehaviour] Does it mean something?

No Yann, I'm not as good looking as that Bob or the sculpture... Bob From: info i...@x-arn.org Monday, 2 February, 2009 23:14:34 Thanks Bob, are you http://bobcatchpole.com/biography.php ? bob catchpole a probablement écrit : Yann, The other day

Re: [NetBehaviour] Does it mean something?

[+ assorted netbehaviouralists]. bob, i'm curious as 2 by u're assuming that the text ur quoting is muddy in terms of comprehension/meaning? do u think the terminology is inappropriate or unclear? chunks, mez On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 8:33 AM, bob catchpole bobcatchp...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Yann

Re: [NetBehaviour] Selling software art

That's the most honest comment so far... and gets right to the heart of the conundrum. Bob From: Pall Thayer Tuesday, 18 November, 2008 15:42:19 sometimes it would be nice to get something back. ___

Re: [NetBehaviour] My Stuff...

Marc, I did enjoy!... What other ways do you distribute it? Bob From: marc garrett Saturday, 8 November, 2008 3:38:33 My Stuff... A selection of past songs/sounds that I have created - enjoy... marc Valentines Day.

Re: [NetBehaviour] Team records 'music' from stars - Like Aphex Twin music.

Marc, Facing the cosmos, human understanding remains puny, no? Why would a womb and a star have sonic similarities? What is being recorded anyway? Maybe one distant day there will be an answer?... Bob From: marc garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 29

Re: [NetBehaviour] Team records 'music' from stars - Like Aphex Twin music.

to represent these things is so limited. Regards Simon On 29/10/08 17:22, bob catchpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marc, Facing the cosmos, human understanding remains puny, no? Why would a womb and a star have sonic similarities? What is being recorded anyway? Maybe one distant day

Re: [NetBehaviour] Team records 'music' from stars - Like Aphex Twin music.

Some years ago, as part of a medical project to spot newborn babies that might be deaf, recordings were made of the sound of a womb and played back to the babies on tiny headphones. Those without hearing problems responded to the recording with unmistakable recognition. As I recall, the medical

Re: [NetBehaviour] pure:dyne discussion

Art forms have their technical aspects. Artists are forever learning, playing, working and experimenting with the technology at their disposal. Tools for the job. Means and ends. Artists are largely focused on the latter; the ability to use the tools is presumed. However when it comes to

Re: [NetBehaviour] pure:dyne discussion

Art forms have their technical aspects. Artists are forever learning, playing, working and experimenting with the technology at their disposal. Tools for the job. Means and ends. Artists are largely focused on the latter; the ability to use the tools is presumed. However when it comes to

Re: [NetBehaviour] powerfulart

Banksy or Bank-rupt-sy? Bob - Original Message From: patrick simons [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 14 October, 2008 15:16:18 Hi all I'm wondering if, because of property values collapsing, is a Banksy wall work (number 63!) worth less now?

Re: [NetBehaviour] Is Fair Use decided by who has the most money?

From that stance Fair Use = Fair Abuse. Thing is, most people don't regard abuse as acceptable... are they wrong? Bob - Original Message From: Rob Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 11 October, 2008 14:57:31 This cannot be an issue for freedom of speech.

Re: [NetBehaviour] Is Fair Use decided by who has the most money?

Don't amuse my argument. ;-) Bob - Original Message From: Rob Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 11 October, 2008 17:54:00 Thing is, most people don't regard abuse as acceptable... are they wrong? They are answering the wrong question.

Re: [NetBehaviour] New developments - On Being/exist.pl

if you delete it while it's running, it recreates itself and then stops running. Its not volatile in any way at all and it's incapable of running itself. To run, it needs to be started by a user with the correct command. On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 8:19 PM, bob catchpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

Re: [NetBehaviour] New developments - On Being/exist.pl

Pall, What's happens when you run exist.pl? I don't know anything about programming, but the recent exchange of ideas around your code has been the highlight for me since joining the list. Best has been the palpable shared sense of excitement in exploring a perceived 'state of being' and

Re: [NetBehaviour] pulsating emotion organism.

- Original Message From: dave miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 16 July, 2008 9:20:21 AM Why copyright pictures, text, video? Copyright is automatic and universal. If the creator wishes the right can be withdrawn. Bob

Re: [NetBehaviour] Fwd: pulsating emotion organism.

- Original Message From: dave miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 16 July, 2008 6:47:59 PM I think my issue is with copyright and I misunderstood at first thinking Markus was copyrighting the idea. Dave, you seem to misunderstand the nature of copyright. Ideas cannot be

Re: [NetBehaviour] Fwd: Mickey Mouse Bill

- Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Sent: Tuesday, 20 May, 2008 2:00:45 PM Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Fwd: Mickey Mouse Bill Quoting bob catchpole [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Automatic possession of copyright *is* in line with the rest

[NetBehaviour] Orphan Works (previously Mickey Mouse Bill)

Dear All, Lawrence Lessig, a proponent of the copyleft movement and one of the founders of the creative commons movement of sharing your intellectual property, says the proposed Orphan Works bills currently in Congress is both unfair and unwise. Full New York Times article at:

Re: [NetBehaviour] Fwd: Mickey Mouse Bill

the fact. Bob - Original Message From: Rob Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Sent: Saturday, 17 May, 2008 9:06:03 PM Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Fwd: Mickey Mouse Bill bob catchpole wrote: My real point, which

Re: [NetBehaviour] Fwd: Mickey Mouse Bill

: Sunday, 18 May, 2008 6:45:34 PM Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Fwd: Mickey Mouse Bill *Why defend the indefensible?* I think a lot of us here lean towards the view that it's copyright tout court that's indefensible. michael --- On Sun, 5/18/08, bob catchpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: bob

Re: [NetBehaviour] Fwd: Mickey Mouse Bill

:) m. --- On Sun, 5/18/08, bob catchpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: bob catchpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Fwd: Mickey Mouse Bill To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Sunday, May 18, 2008, 7:27 PM Michael

Re: [NetBehaviour] Fwd: Mickey Mouse Bill

netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Sent: Saturday, 17 May, 2008 2:59:46 PM Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Fwd: Mickey Mouse Bill bob catchpole wrote: The Mickey Mouse Bill (aka Orphan Works Bill) is an open invitation to infringe on a scale undreamed of hithertoo... The Mickey Mouse act was the Sonny Bono

Re: [NetBehaviour] Fwd: Mickey Mouse Bill

netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Sent: Saturday, 17 May, 2008 2:59:46 PM Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Fwd: Mickey Mouse Bill bob catchpole wrote: The Mickey Mouse Bill (aka Orphan Works Bill) is an open invitation to infringe on a scale undreamed of hithertoo... The Mickey Mouse act was the Sonny Bono

Re: [NetBehaviour] Fwd: Mickey Mouse Bill

netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Sent: Saturday, 17 May, 2008 2:59:46 PM Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Fwd: Mickey Mouse Bill bob catchpole wrote: The Mickey Mouse Bill (aka Orphan Works Bill) is an open invitation to infringe on a scale undreamed of hithertoo... The Mickey Mouse act was the Sonny Bono

Re: [NetBehaviour] Fwd: Mickey Mouse Bill

This is why the AMERICAN system is so fucked up!... IN THEORY IT'S TRUE If somebody swipes it, or uses it without your permission, you have the law on your side to chase them down and get paid. BUT IN PRACTICE Not if you haven't registered the copyright. Farcical? Hypocritical?... In America

Re: [NetBehaviour] no

Hi Renee, Humble apologies!... as soon as I pressed the send button I realized I shouldn't have included your name!... in doing so I misrepresented your comments, but accidently... I fully appreciate your comment to Alan was affirmative feedback... and concur with your thoughts on the role of

Re: [NetBehaviour] no

Hi Karen, I'm actually interested in new ideas, creativity I agree with you that a discussion simply to insist on one's position isn't very creative... If I may paraphrase the previous comments of Renee, Michael and yourself: How dare you criticize someone as brilliant and prolific as

Re: [NetBehaviour] no

with the content but I do agree with the context :-) karen On 10/16/07, bob catchpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Renee, I'm all for sharing ideas, insights, inspirations... I was objecting to willful obfuscation... What ideas are are evolving here?... the avatartist are all space, all time