Michael,
I disagree withJohn Baldessari. Painting and photography are radically
different picture-making processes - one is based on synthesis and the other on
selection. In a painting or drawing you start with nothing and have to add. In
photography you start with everything and have to extract.
Your drawing are strong because they capture something about you.
Bob
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> From: Michael Szpakowski <[email protected]>
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>Sent: Sunday, 15 January 2012, 15:11
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>Once again thanks for the interesting, helpful and encouraging responses.
>I feel strangely the same when I point my camera at something and when I do a
>sketch "in the moment" - I'm quite impressed by Patrick Maynard's argument
>which seems to be that drawing and photography are essentially both just
>processes of mark making....
>I think I could quite quickly produce you a photo of a unicorn actually - I'm
>deeply sceptical about all the indexical , one-one correspondence to reality -
>blather about photos. It was pretty much never the defining feature ( ask Joe
>Stalin) and it certainly isn't now.
>Moreover I'm not convinced that when I draw I'm any less a "mechanism" of some
>kind for creating a kind of map of at least some parts of reality than I am
>when I photograph (or remix photos which is something I've been doing a lot).
>I'm with Baldessari who scratched his head ( I'm dramatising of course and
>quoting from memory here) and said he couldn't really see that much difference
>between painting and photographs...
>Anyway, theory aside, that I should get such kind and helpful feedback is one
>of the reasons I love netbehaviour :)
>warm wishes
>michael
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>OK -just found it:
>John Baldessari : “A photograph and a painting are essentially the same thing.
>One is just a series of pigments in emulsifier put down on canvas, while the
>other is silver nitrate deposits put down on paper. There is very little
difference between the two.”
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> From: Perry Bard <[email protected]>
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>Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 1:53 PM
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>Last night a philosopher friend Nick Pappas and I had this very
>conversation-about the properties of photo vs painting and drawing. WJT
>Mitchell in Intention and Artifice isolates an essential difference- the
>referent adheres in a photo- you can paint a unicorn but not photograph one
>(irrefutable, no?). Nick argued that a camera is an object- you point and
>record, even if you make a mistake or someone jostles your hand you record a
>specific moment in time whereas a drawing records a moment in consciousness.
>Perry
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>On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 8:19 AM, Annie Abrahams <[email protected]> wrote:
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>I do think Michael you have a lot of formal technique - the way you chose,
>frame and compose the image, the way you look at things is very
>"sophisticated".
>>I was wondering what for you makes these drawings so different from your
>>photos? Why do you want to do it?
>>Is it a question of time? of attention?of meditation? of trying to grasp
>>something in a world too full of information?
>>For me your drawings are full of time and
>>they are brave
>>I love to see them.
>>Annie
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>>On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Rob Myers <[email protected]> wrote:
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>>On 14/01/12 17:00, Michael Szpakowski wrote:
>>>> thank-you Joel...
>>>> I don't honestly know how I expect people to react. I'm pretty obsessed
>>>> at the moment...
>>>> I know that drawing is something I really want to keep doing.
>>>> warm wishes
>>>> michael
>>>
>>>You have a good eye for form, space and tone. As someone who's an
>>>enthusiastic rather than a competent draughtsperson I really admire what
>>>you are doing here. Do keep doing!
>>>
>>>- Rob.
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>>Extrait en photo et son de la performance HUIS-CLOS / NO EXIT Training for a
>>Better World
>>http://www.documentary-art.net/tag/watch-now.php?&ref=344
>>Plus de photos : http://www.flickr.com/photos/bramorg/sets/72157628514083331/
>>
>>"Die Ewigkeit/ L'éternité", Antye GREIE / Annie ABRAHAMS - DUET - SATZ 4 -
>>Rêves / Utopia / Dreams http://vimeo.com/33907750
>>http://www.bram.org
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