Re: default components file

2003-07-01 Thread Bill Wohler
Glenn Burkhardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd like to change the default components file to include a folder copy: > > To: > cc: > Fcc: +sent-mail > Subject: > Obviously it won't be a clear majority, but perhaps there will be some consensus. I think a Fcc out of the box is entirely

Re: pick argument order

2003-07-01 Thread Robert Elz
Date:Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:39:55 -0400 From:Glenn Burkhardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Should this be changed, I have a patch to change it (somewhere, if I can find it, which I made before I discovered that this insanity was actually documen

Re: default components file

2003-07-01 Thread Tom Julien
The addition of 'Fcc: +outbox' does seem an appropriate and consistent default for new users that can easily be adjusted by seasoned veterans. +1. On Tue, Jul 01, 2003 at 12:17:29AM -0700, Bill Wohler wrote: > Glenn Burkhardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'd like to change the default compon

Re: default components file

2003-07-01 Thread J C Lawrence
On Tue, 1 Jul 2003 09:01:47 -0400 Tom Julien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The addition of 'Fcc: +outbox' does seem an appropriate and consistent > default for new users that can easily be adjusted by seasoned > veterans. +1. Ooops, forgot to send my answer to the list instead of Tom: Agreed. +1

Re: default components file

2003-07-01 Thread Glenn Burkhardt
> Bill Wohler wrote: > I think a Fcc out of the box is entirely appropriate for new users. The > Dcc usage that Earl suggests is a little more advanced, and is typically > used with procmail which is even more advanced (although it is > absolutely necessary these days). And remember that Dcc is sti

Re: default components file

2003-07-01 Thread Ken Hornstein
>While I use +out, I think +outbox is more MH-like than +sent-mail and >would vote for +outbox for the default and may well edit my own >components file accordingly now that I'm thinking of it. "Me too" (except that I already use +outbox :-) I don't really care what the name is, as long as it's i

pick question

2003-07-01 Thread Scott Lipcon
Sorry to interrupt the good work thats going on with a user question, but I can't seem to figure this one out. How do I use pick to get messages that are in one sequence but not another, ie: sequence a is a subset of sequence b. I want to get the messages that are not in sequence a, something li

Re: pick question

2003-07-01 Thread Robert Elz
Date:Tue, 01 Jul 2003 09:56:58 -0400 From:Scott Lipcon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | How do I use pick to get | messages that are in one sequence but not another, ie: | Any ideas? Don't use pick, use mark mark +folder -seq new -

Why not document dcc:?

2003-07-01 Thread Jerry Peek
A lot of us use the "dcc:" header field. It acts like "bcc:" does on most other MUAs. Is there any reason not to add a paragraph about it to the send(1) manpage? My Linux box is down right now, so I can't check this out, but here's a new paragraph. (I guess "Dcc:" works as well as "dcc:", wh

Re: Why not document dcc:?

2003-07-01 Thread Ken Hornstein
>Comments? Votes? Seems reasonable to me. --Ken

Re: pick question

2003-07-01 Thread Jerry Peek
Scott Lipcon wrote: Sorry to interrupt the good work thats going on with a user question, but I can't seem to figure this one out. How do I use pick to get messages that are in one sequence but not another, ie: sequence a is a subset of sequence b. I want to get the messages that are not in seque

Re: Why not document dcc:?

2003-07-01 Thread Robert Elz
Date:Tue, 01 Jul 2003 07:47:32 -0700 From:Jerry Peek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Comments? Votes? Yes, dcc has been around long enough that it isn't about to vanish next week... (and 2822 managed to avoid stealing that field name for som

Re: pick question

2003-07-01 Thread Robert Elz
Date:Tue, 01 Jul 2003 07:58:39 -0700 From:Jerry Peek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | I'm not on a system with MH right now, so I can't play around to check | it... but I think you want to use sequence-negation. No, that doesn't work for the

Re: Why not document dcc:?

2003-07-01 Thread Jerry Peek
Robert Elz wrote: ... I would include a sentence or two about the risks of using dcc when really sending a bcc (as opposed to a cc to myself). Perhaps something like Note that the users listed in the dcc field receive no explicit indication that others who received the message are

Re: Why not document dcc:?

2003-07-01 Thread Ralph Corderoy
Hi, > A lot of us use the "dcc:" header field. It acts like "bcc:" does on > most other MUAs. Is there any reason not to add a paragraph about it > to the send(1) manpage? > > Comments? Votes? +1. Perhaps mention it in the fcc description as an alternative. I found fcc useless for my purpos

Re: Why not document dcc:?

2003-07-01 Thread Neil W Rickert
Ralph Corderoy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Perhaps mention it in the fcc description as an alternative. I found >fcc useless for my purposes; it's really handy to have the real >message-id, etc. Have mh set the message-id send: -msgid in your ".mh_profile" -NWR

Re: default components file

2003-07-01 Thread Earl Hood
On July 1, 2003 at 00:17, Bill Wohler wrote: > I think a Fcc out of the box is entirely appropriate for new users. The > Dcc usage that Earl suggests is a little more advanced, and is typically > used with procmail which is even more advanced (although it is > absolutely necessary these days). And

Re: Why not document dcc:?

2003-07-01 Thread Earl Hood
On July 1, 2003 at 07:47, Jerry Peek wrote: > A lot of us use the "dcc:" header field. It acts like "bcc:" does on > most other MUAs. Is there any reason not to add a paragraph about it to > the send(1) manpage? > > My Linux box is down right now, so I can't check this out, but here's a > ne

Re: default components file

2003-07-01 Thread Ruud de Rooij
On Tuesday, Jul 1, 2003, at 14:22 America/New_York, Earl Hood wrote: After some thought, and reading the responses, I no longer have objections to it. As for the name, it should be "outbox" (with a lowercase 'o') since it complements the default name of "inbox" used when incorporating new mail. m

Re: Why not document dcc:?

2003-07-01 Thread Bill Wohler
Earl Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Including the additional note about the dangers of using dcc. > Personally, I use dcc when copying myself and bcc when copying > someone else. I personally dislike the bcc behavior of other MUAs > since they provide no indication to the receipient that they

Re: default components file

2003-07-01 Thread Bill Wohler
Earl Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The only potential confusion for new users about "Fcc: +outbox" is > that when they see it the first time when composing a message, they > may be confused on exactly what that means. That's a good point. Here are some other issues that come to mind. In this

Re: Why not document dcc:?

2003-07-01 Thread Robert Elz
Date:Tue, 01 Jul 2003 13:27:46 -0500 From:Earl Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Related comment: It may be worth considering making bcc MIME aware. Already exists, which I am hoping that the bcc I am sending you of this message will demonst

Re: default components file

2003-07-01 Thread Glenn Burkhardt
> Bill Wohler wrote: > Note that in replcomps, the Fcc only appears if you specify "repl -fcc > +outbox". But then it does appear in the header. > > Whatever we do should be consistent. Jerry Peek had (privately) suggested this solution: Fcc: %<{fcc}%{fcc}%|+outbox%> as part of replcomps. This

Re: default components file

2003-07-01 Thread Jerry Peek
On 1 July 2003 at 13:51, Bill Wohler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Note that in replcomps, the Fcc only appears if you specify "repl -fcc > +outbox". But then it does appear in the header. ... Here's another idea that I sent to Glenn in a private message. I'm not saying that it's better than any

Re: default components file

2003-07-01 Thread Neil W Rickert
Bill Wohler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Earl Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> The only potential confusion for new users about "Fcc: +outbox" is >> that when they see it the first time when composing a message, they >> may be confused on exactly what that means. >That's a good point. Here are

Re: default components file

2003-07-01 Thread Glenn Burkhardt
Ok, I've committed changes to components, forwcomps, distcomps, replcomps, replgroupcomps, based on the discussion. Only repl.man needed to be changed; the other man pages dynamically pull in the current default template file when the man page is built by 'make'.