RE: [NSWolves] Anyone watching?

2011-12-18 Thread Jeremy Tonks
I agree with Elliot, We haven't been in the drop zone - we're a win off 14th on goal difference (y'day we were a win off 11th!!). The three teams below don't look like getting above us. Wigan a point v Chelsea! Only cos Chelsea gave it to them. It looked like Wolves of 5 years ago defending in

[NSWolves] Hull/Millwall?

2011-12-18 Thread Jeremy Tonks
Did anyone see Hull's first goal against Millwall? That's my nomination for horror defensive effort/own goal of the decade :-) _ From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven Millward Sent: Sunday, 18 December 2011 2:15 PM To:

Re: [NSWolves] Anyone watching?

2011-12-18 Thread Steven Millward
Agreed. If I had such unrealistic expectations of my team, I think I'd find another hobby rather than be so miserable. The upsetting thing with turn-crowe-t is that he used to be one of us. Boo! On 18 December 2011 17:24, elliotd...@hotmail.com elliotd...@hotmail.comwrote: Well said

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2011-12-18 Thread Morris, Lee SGT
UNCLASSIFIED I went to bed at half time, totally exhausted but content. Our team certain know how to know the stuffing out of us. -Original Message- From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marcus Chantry Sent: Sunday, 18 December 2011 02:36 To:

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2011-12-18 Thread Morris, Lee SGT
UNCLASSIFIED Apparrantly the fans left him alone this week. My season ticket holding mate seems to think many fans are resigned to the fact that his job is safe, but that can change very quickly. -Original Message- From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] On

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2011-12-18 Thread Paul Crowe
Spoke to me Dad last night, who is a season ticket holder in the Steve Bull, apparently Tuesday night against Norwich could be the last chance saloon game for MM. He reckons another loss would see the fans turn against him on mass! Paul Crowe Sales Manager - Asia Pacific   ConTech (Sydney

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2011-12-18 Thread Jeremy Tonks
Guess what Paul, It won't happen. Y!MMMFL -Original Message- From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Crowe Sent: Monday, 19 December 2011 9:05 AM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [NSWolves] Anyone watching? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

Re: [NSWolves] Anyone watching? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2011-12-18 Thread Steven Millward
Anyone read Soccernomics? I've read extracts but I've just ordered it. The author says that 90% of Premier league position is down to wages. I really don't understand why Mick is the scapegoat. He has the fourth cheapest wage bill and the team is fourth from bottom. If the fans really cared

RE: [NSWolves] Anyone watching? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2011-12-18 Thread Morris, Lee SGT
UNCLASSIFIED To be fair, Steve Morgan needs to address the situation too. Wolves perfromances on the pitch have shown little or no improvement, the manager has to be responsible for that. The big fear for me is, we change managers and still get relegated, and so it all starts again.

Re: [NSWolves] Anyone watching? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2011-12-18 Thread Steven Millward
How can I explain this more clearly. 90% of the results are down to the quality of players We have the fourth worst players in the league. We have no right to finish above where we currently sit If we look bad in matches it's because we are playing against better players Why do you keep saying

RE: [NSWolves] Anyone watching? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2011-12-18 Thread Morris, Lee SGT
UNCLASSIFIED Well in my opinion, Mick's team isn't good enough. Mick's tactics aren't good enough. I and I think many many others think Mick is out of his depth in the PL. Who knows, our squad may be capable of much more under a better manager. Its also possible that Mick has got this bunch

Re: [NSWolves] Anyone watching? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2011-12-18 Thread Paul Hart
Well said Sarge Sent from my iPhone On 19/12/2011, at 10:00 AM, Steven Millward millward@gmail.com wrote: How can I explain this more clearly. 90% of the results are down to the quality of players We have the fourth worst players in the league. We have no right to finish above where

Re: [NSWolves] Anyone watching? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2011-12-18 Thread Steven Millward
So we're agreed that the team isn't good enough, but given the club's wage policy it's not Mick's fault. I'm sure you'll agree that we are where we should expect to be in the league? Given that player quality accounts for 90% of final league position, with the remaining 10% being down to luck,

[NSWolves] Test

2011-12-18 Thread LEESE Matthew
Just seeing of I can post again after my recent ban Matthew Leese DRIVES Solution Design Team Applications Development Maintenance | IMIT T 02 8588 5041 www.rms.nsw.gov.auhttp://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/ Roads and Maritime Services 101 Miller Street North Sydney NSW 2060 Before printing,

RE: [NSWolves] Anyone watching? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2011-12-18 Thread Rog Reet
Lies, damned lies and statistics, inshallah, Nihilism. it, I'm going for a drink instead. From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven Millward Sent: Monday, 19 December 2011 10:01 AM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [NSWolves] Anyone

[NSWolves] Welcome Back Matthew

2011-12-18 Thread Paul Hart
Why were you bannned Matthew ? Did you dare to ask for the head of MM Has anybody else heard the rumour That Mark Hughes was at the Stoke game ??? Sent from my iPhone -- Boo! Thick Mick Out.

Re: [NSWolves] Welcome Back Matthew

2011-12-18 Thread Steven Millward
He dared to make a positive comment about Wolves and the filter kicked him out. I've hacked it. Where is that rumour from? On 19 December 2011 11:00, Paul Hart wholiga...@gmail.com wrote: Why were you bannned Matthew ? Did you dare to ask for the head of MM Has anybody else heard the

Re: [NSWolves] Welcome Back Matthew

2011-12-18 Thread Paul Hart
I spoke to my mate last night in Penn he heard Hughes was there. Well just have to wait and see. Sent from my iPhone On 19/12/2011, at 11:05 AM, Steven Millward millward@gmail.com wrote: He dared to make a positive comment about Wolves and the filter kicked him out. I've hacked it.

RE: [NSWolves] Welcome Back Matthew

2011-12-18 Thread LEESE Matthew
The conspiracy theorist in me thought my 'ban' was down to my movement away from the pro-Mick camp but then realised if that were the case the list would have 2 active posters. Gave it some more (reasoned) thought and worked out it was probably down to the fact our email addresses have just

Re: [NSWolves] Welcome Back Matthew

2011-12-18 Thread Steven Millward
I have to confess I get frustrated by the apparent lack of logic that's applied to football support. There are many people on here have excellent analytical abilities and yet it gets unused in the face of what seems more like superstition and knee jerk emotion. Rog for example applies a great

Re: [NSWolves] Welcome Back Matthew

2011-12-18 Thread paul
I would contend that you have no idea what your talking about! We have all played football at various levels and know how it should be played. Wolves are not playing or trying to play good football, end of. MM out! Sent via BlackBerry® from Telstra -Original Message- From: Steven

Re: [NSWolves] Anyone watching? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2011-12-18 Thread Marcus Chantry
Mick took on the role knowing what resources were available and what (unrealistically) high expectations there are the club. He didn't have to take the job and if he didn't think we could compete in the premier league he shouldn't have got us promoted. Out of interest, anyone know what the

Re: [NSWolves] Anyone watching? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2011-12-18 Thread Steven Millward
Utter rubbish On 19 December 2011 11:55, Marcus Chantry chant...@iinet.net.au wrote: Mick took on the role knowing what resources were available and what (unrealistically) high expectations there are the club. He didn't have to take the job and if he didn't think we could compete in the

RE: [NSWolves] Welcome Back Matthew

2011-12-18 Thread LEESE Matthew
I'm also intrigued by the notion that managers have little impact on league position. A couple of recent examples would be Redknapp at Spurs and Dalglish at Liverpool who both took over teams that were around the relegation places and with the same squad as their pre-decessors had them finish

Re: [NSWolves] Welcome Back Matthew

2011-12-18 Thread Marcus Chantry
So Doyle isn't in a poor run of form... He's just $hite. Now I understand. Sent from my iPhone On 19/12/2011, at 11:45 AM, LEESE Matthew matthew.le...@rms.nsw.gov.au wrote: I'm intrigued by player form having been proven to not exist. I felt I've had some periods of form over the years

Re: [NSWolves] Anyone watching? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2011-12-18 Thread Marcus Chantry
What? The wages of Swansea and Norwich are rubbish but they're still above us. Sent from my iPhone On 19/12/2011, at 11:57 AM, Steven Millward millward@gmail.com wrote: Utter rubbish On 19 December 2011 11:55, Marcus Chantry chant...@iinet.net.au wrote: Mick took on the role knowing

Re: [NSWolves] Welcome Back Matthew

2011-12-18 Thread Steven Millward
http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2009/12/16/fact-or-fiction-myths-in-football/ I've seen this before but I can't find the other links. I believe it applies to other sports too such as basketball in the US. Humans look for patterns and tend to see what they want to see. You would most likely

Re: [NSWolves] Anyone watching? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2011-12-18 Thread Steven Millward
It's short term noise. You could have said the same about Blackpool last season and Burley the season before that. There is always variation. If it were a perfect science then it would be entirely predictable. Swansea and Norwich might finish where they are now but they are the exceptions that

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2011-12-18 Thread Steven Millward
Here's another interesting one: http://www.sportingintelligence.com/2010/05/04/pulis-and-mcclaren-are-the-most-over-achieving-managers-in-english-football-040501/ Over performing managers relative to the wages of their clubs up to 2008. These are the men who had the right stuff. They had

Re: [NSWolves] Welcome Back Matthew

2011-12-18 Thread Steven Millward
Hold the front page. What a scoop! On 19 December 2011 11:09, Paul Hart wholiga...@gmail.com wrote: I spoke to my mate last night in Penn he heard Hughes was there. Well just have to wait and see. Sent from my iPhone On 19/12/2011, at 11:05 AM, Steven Millward millward@gmail.com

RE: [NSWolves] Welcome Back Matthew

2011-12-18 Thread Paul Crowe
Hughes's Granny would be better than MM! Maybe we should just enlist a local Gypsy as replacement for MM, as our teams performance depends on luck and other dubiously explained factors, nothing at all to do with the Manager and his coaching skills? Paul Crowe Sales Manager - Asia Pacific

Re: [NSWolves] Welcome Back Matthew

2011-12-18 Thread Steven Millward
Get Freddy back. Not dubiously explained factors. Just quality of players being the main factor. On 19 December 2011 15:03, Paul Crowe pcr...@contechengineering.com wrote: Hughes’s Granny would be better than MM! ** ** Maybe we should just enlist a local Gypsy as replacement for MM,

Re: [NSWolves] Welcome Back Matthew

2011-12-18 Thread Chantrys
And who chose the players? And you reckon Mick has eff all to do with our performances. Sent from my iPad On 19/12/2011, at 15:06, Steven Millward millward@gmail.com wrote: Get Freddy back. Not dubiously explained factors. Just quality of players being the main factor. On 19

Re: [NSWolves] Welcome Back Matthew

2011-12-18 Thread Steven Millward
He chooses the players. Players and agents know their value and managers know how good players are and bid what they think a player is worth, both in transfer values and personal wages for the player. It's almost a perfect expression of capitalism. Therefore if you have more more money to spend

RE: [NSWolves] Welcome Back Matthew

2011-12-18 Thread Rog Reet
You'll have the new age plod on your case Paul for calling numerology dubiously explained factors. From: nswolves@googlegroups.com [mailto:nswolves@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Crowe Sent: Monday, 19 December 2011 3:03 PM To: nswolves@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [NSWolves] Welcome