Re: [NTG-context] ConTexT conversion to html/rtf/odt

2010-11-07 Thread Mojca Miklavec
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 20:33, Manfred Lotz wrote:

 Tried htcontext test.tex and got:

 ! Undefined control sequence.
 argument dl class=dd-\itemlevel
...
 l.6     \item
              bla bla
 ?


 Perhaps there is some stupidity from my side. If yes I appreciate any
 corrections. If no then htcontext from package tex4ht doesn't really
 work for ConTeXt and then I would like to know what other alternatives
 I have. Also regarding rtf or/and odt.

There is a group of maintainers
(http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/tex4ht), but the author who was the
big hacker passed away not that long ago. You may ask on the mailing
list, but there is no guarantee ...

tex4ht would break each time when Hans does some bigger changes in the
core and this is probably the case now as well.

See Aditya's answer about the rest ...

Mojca
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Re: [NTG-context] ConTexT conversion to html/rtf/odt

2010-11-07 Thread John Haltiwanger
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Aditya Mahajan adit...@umich.edu wrote:

 On Sat, 6 Nov 2010, Manfred Lotz wrote:

  work for ConTeXt and then I would like to know what other alternatives
 I have. Also regarding rtf or/and odt.


 Since you do not need any fancy features, a simpler option is to use
 markdown as your starting format and use pandoc to convert it to context,
 html, and odt. However, creating even slightly complicated tables in
 markdown is a pain, unless your editor supports an ascii table mode.


This is indeed a decent solution, one which worked for typesetting my thesis
in PDF and HTML. (You get RTF and ODT for free, assuming it doesn't take
much glue to get it to look the way you want). I had to write a wrapper
script to do regular expression parsing to take care of edge cases (pandoc
is written in Haskell, so to 'scripting' the application requires working in
that language; my choice was to do a more hackish approach that used a Ruby
script that generated multiple markdown files)

Aditya, do perhaps know one of these editors with ASCII table mode?




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Re: [NTG-context] ConTexT conversion to html/rtf/odt

2010-11-07 Thread luigi scarso
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 10:00 PM, Aditya Mahajan adit...@umich.edu wrote:
 On Sat, 6 Nov 2010, Manfred Lotz wrote:

 I'm in a situation where I have to do some documentation which should
 be available in html and rtf/odt (would be nice to have).

 There is an experimental feature of converting ConTeXt to XML. You can then
 process XML using standard XML tools to get HTML.
Not so experimental.
PDF/A was tested (I needs  more testing with new version of AdobeAcrobat)



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Re: [NTG-context] ConTexT conversion to html/rtf/odt

2010-11-07 Thread Manfred Lotz
On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 17:00:38 -0400 (EDT)
Aditya Mahajan adit...@umich.edu wrote:

 On Sat, 6 Nov 2010, Manfred Lotz wrote:
 
  I'm in a situation where I have to do some documentation which
  should be available in html and rtf/odt (would be nice to have).
 
 There is an experimental feature of converting ConTeXt to XML. You
 can then process XML using standard XML tools to get HTML.
 
  I do not need any fancy stuff, just simple things: ordered,
  unordered lists, verbatim, tables etc.
 
 
 \setupbackend[export=yes]

! Undefined control sequence.
l.1 \setupbackend
 [export=yes]

This doesn't work for me. Perhaps my context from TeXLive 2010 is too
old. Not quite sure about that.


 
 Since you do not need any fancy features, a simpler option is to use 
 markdown as your starting format and use pandoc to convert it to
 context, html, and odt. However, creating even slightly complicated
 tables in markdown is a pain, unless your editor supports an ascii
 table mode.
 

Thanks for pointing me to pandoc. On the one hand it works very well
but on the other hand it (markdown) seems a bit too rudimentary.




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Re: [NTG-context] ConTexT conversion to html/rtf/odt

2010-11-07 Thread luigi scarso
On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Manfred Lotz manfred.l...@arcor.de wrote:
 On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 17:00:38 -0400 (EDT)
 Aditya Mahajan adit...@umich.edu wrote:

 On Sat, 6 Nov 2010, Manfred Lotz wrote:

  I'm in a situation where I have to do some documentation which
  should be available in html and rtf/odt (would be nice to have).

 There is an experimental feature of converting ConTeXt to XML. You
 can then process XML using standard XML tools to get HTML.

  I do not need any fancy stuff, just simple things: ordered,
  unordered lists, verbatim, tables etc.


 \setupbackend[export=yes]

 ! Undefined control sequence.
 l.1 \setupbackend
                 [export=yes]

 This doesn't work for me. Perhaps my context from TeXLive 2010 is too
 old. Not quite sure about that.
Yes, can be.
Usually you should use the minimals, but with tlcontrib  --- see
http://tlcontrib.metatex.org/ ---
thigs are changing.
Mojca ?

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Re: [NTG-context] ConTexT conversion to html/rtf/odt

2010-11-07 Thread Hans Hagen

On 7-11-2010 11:54, Manfred Lotz wrote:

On Sat, 6 Nov 2010 17:00:38 -0400 (EDT)
Aditya Mahajanadit...@umich.edu  wrote:


On Sat, 6 Nov 2010, Manfred Lotz wrote:


I'm in a situation where I have to do some documentation which
should be available in html and rtf/odt (would be nice to have).


There is an experimental feature of converting ConTeXt to XML. You
can then process XML using standard XML tools to get HTML.


I do not need any fancy stuff, just simple things: ordered,
unordered lists, verbatim, tables etc.



\setupbackend[export=yes]


! Undefined control sequence.
l.1 \setupbackend
  [export=yes]

This doesn't work for me. Perhaps my context from TeXLive 2010 is too
old. Not quite sure about that.


it was added after tex live 2010 was frozen (this year we froze rather 
early not knowing that there would be a long delay before 2010 showed 
up; also we had to freeze in sync with luatex)


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[NTG-context] \margintext

2010-11-07 Thread Herbert Voss
I have two questions to \margintext

\setupinmargin[left][separator=:,width=2cm,line=2]
\starttext
%foo
\margintext[left]{margin text}
\input knuth
\stoptext

this works fine, but when I uncomment the line with
%foo, then the marginal note is placed in
second line of the following paragraph. Why?
Must \margintext always be the first statement in a
paragraph?

I do not understand the meaning of the optional argument
separator?

TeXLive2010 with tlcontrib

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[NTG-context] TEI XML

2010-11-07 Thread Daniel Grycman
Hi list,

used the example on the wiki (http://wiki.contextgarden.net/TEI_xml), but
I didn't get any correct output. I used Mark IV.
I want to use TEI for an project and use ConTeXt for the specific output.
Is it a good choice?

Daniel 


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[NTG-context] helping on Wiki Command Reference

2010-11-07 Thread Jonas Stein
Hi,

would it be useful to write examples in the Wiki Command Reference 
manual, or will there be some automatism that imports that 
information from some other source?

Most keywords have empty descriptions. 
Should users fill them in? Is there a reliable and complete
reference for the commands somewhere?

Kind regards,

[1] http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Category:Reference/en

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Re: [NTG-context] TEI XML

2010-11-07 Thread Hans Hagen

On 7-11-2010 7:19, Daniel Grycman wrote:

Hi list,

used the example on the wiki (http://wiki.contextgarden.net/TEI_xml), but
I didn't get any correct output. I used Mark IV.
I want to use TEI for an project and use ConTeXt for the specific output.
Is it a good choice?


sure, but you need to map tei elements onto something context which is 
not different from other xml mappings


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[NTG-context] context export

2010-11-07 Thread Manfred Lotz
Hi Hans,

On Sun, 07 Nov 2010 16:23:37 +0100
Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote:

 Hi Manfred,
 
 some reading ... it should not be to hard to map the xml onto
 html ... relevant details are in attributes


Hmm, but I would need to have a dtd or schema file in order write a
transformation (xslt or so) to html. 

The other possibility would be to make the html creation an iterative
process along the creation of the context document. I'd would prefer
the first possibility, though.

Instead of using xslt I also could code the transformation in Lua. What
xml lib do you recommend to use in Lua?


Currently, I have no time to code the xml -- htmp conversion.
However, considering above ideas I could start with markdown as
discussed in the other thread which has limitations but gives me a
context source for free as a starting point. 


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[NTG-context] \startmode and \startcomment inside of \def

2010-11-07 Thread Vedran Miletić
Hi,

I would like to define something like this:
\def\startSolution{\startmode[solutions]...}
\def\stopSolution{...\stopmode}

But when I use \startSolution and \stopSolution, and mode solutions isn't
enabled, I get something like
Runaway argument?
aaa \stopSolution \stoptext
! File ended while scanning use of \dostopmode.

system   error on line 0 in file : File ended while scanning use of
\dostopmode ...

What's the proper way of doing this?

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Re: [NTG-context] \startmode and \startcomment inside of \def

2010-11-07 Thread Wolfgang Schuster

Am 07.11.2010 um 19:42 schrieb Vedran Miletić:

 Hi,
 
 I would like to define something like this:
 \def\startSolution{\startmode[solutions]...}
 \def\stopSolution{...\stopmode}
 
 But when I use \startSolution and \stopSolution, and mode solutions isn't 
 enabled, I get something like
 Runaway argument?
 aaa \stopSolution \stoptext 
 ! File ended while scanning use of \dostopmode.
 
 system   error on line 0 in file : File ended while scanning use of 
 \dostopmode ...
 
 What's the proper way of doing this?

Use \startmode[...] ... \stopmode in your document without your own Solution 
environment or define the environment as

\definebuffer[Solution][local=yes]

\startmode[solutions]
\setupbuffer[Solution][local=no]
\stopmode

\starttext

...

\startSolution
solution
\stopSolution

...

\stoptext

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Re: [NTG-context] \startmode and \startcomment inside of \def

2010-11-07 Thread Vedran Miletić
2010/11/7 Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com


 Am 07.11.2010 um 19:42 schrieb Vedran Miletić:

  Hi,
 
  I would like to define something like this:
  \def\startSolution{\startmode[solutions]...}
  \def\stopSolution{...\stopmode}
 
  But when I use \startSolution and \stopSolution, and mode solutions isn't
 enabled, I get something like
  Runaway argument?
  aaa \stopSolution \stoptext
  ! File ended while scanning use of \dostopmode.
 
  system   error on line 0 in file : File ended while scanning use
 of \dostopmode ...
 
  What's the proper way of doing this?

 Use \startmode[...] ... \stopmode in your document without your own
 Solution environment or define the environment as

 \definebuffer[Solution][local=yes]

 \startmode[solutions]
 \setupbuffer[Solution][local=no]
 \stopmode

 \starttext

 ...

 \startSolution
 solution
 \stopSolution

 ...

 \stoptext


How would I then do something like this?

\def\startSolution{\startmode[solutions]\startframedtext}
\def\stopSolution{\stopframedtext\stopmode}

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Re: [NTG-context] TEI XML

2010-11-07 Thread Thomas Schmitz

On 7 Nov 2010 19:19:11 +0100
 Daniel Grycman daniel.gryc...@rub.de wrote:

Hi list,

used the example on the wiki 
(http://wiki.contextgarden.net/TEI_xml), but

I didn't get any correct output. I used Mark IV.
I want to use TEI for an project and use ConTeXt for the 
specific output.

Is it a good choice?

Daniel 


If you want a meaningful answer, you must give meaningful 
information. I didn't get any correct output. is not 
meaningful information. All I can reply to this is works 
here.


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Re: [NTG-context] \startmode and \startcomment inside of \def

2010-11-07 Thread Wolfgang Schuster

Am 07.11.2010 um 20:49 schrieb Vedran Miletić:

 How would I then do something like this?
 
 \def\startSolution{\startmode[solutions]\startframedtext}
 \def\stopSolution{\stopframedtext\stopmode}

\startmode[solution]
\setupbuffer[Solution][local=no,before=\startframedtext,after=\stopframedtext]
\stopmode

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Re: [NTG-context] TEI XML

2010-11-07 Thread Daniel Grycman
Hi Thomas,

the pdf output consists only of the text with no structure in it, like
linenumbering for example.

Daniel

Am 07.11.10 21:06 schrieb Thomas Schmitz unter tschm...@uni-bonn.de:

On 7 Nov 2010 19:19:11 +0100
  Daniel Grycman daniel.gryc...@rub.de wrote:
 Hi list,
 
 used the example on the wiki
(http://wiki.contextgarden.net/TEI_xml), but
 I didn't get any correct output. I used Mark IV.
 I want to use TEI for an project and use ConTeXt for the
specific output.
 Is it a good choice?
 
 Daniel 

If you want a meaningful answer, you must give meaningful
information. I didn't get any correct output. is not
meaningful information. All I can reply to this is works
here.

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Re: [NTG-context] TEI XML

2010-11-07 Thread Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد

Hi Daniel,

On Sun, 07 Nov 2010 13:23:32 -0700, Daniel Grycman daniel.gryc...@rub.de  
wrote:




Hi Thomas,

the pdf output consists only of the text with no structure in it, like
linenumbering for example.


What Thomas means is: give us a minimal sample file so others can  
reproduce the apparent error. Also give your MkIV version.


Best wishes
Idris


Am 07.11.10 21:06 schrieb Thomas Schmitz unter tschm...@uni-bonn.de:


On 7 Nov 2010 19:19:11 +0100
 Daniel Grycman daniel.gryc...@rub.de wrote:

Hi list,

used the example on the wiki
(http://wiki.contextgarden.net/TEI_xml), but
I didn't get any correct output. I used Mark IV.
I want to use TEI for an project and use ConTeXt for the
specific output.
Is it a good choice?

Daniel


If you want a meaningful answer, you must give meaningful
information. I didn't get any correct output. is not
meaningful information. All I can reply to this is works
here.


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Re: [NTG-context] TEI XML

2010-11-07 Thread Thomas A. Schmitz

On Nov 7, 2010, at 9:23 PM, Daniel Grycman wrote:

 Hi Thomas,
 
 the pdf output consists only of the text with no structure in it, like
 linenumbering for example.
 
 Daniel
 
Oh wait, now I see: you were trying to use the entire file structure on the 
wiki, the example text and the style file, and weren't getting any output. I'm 
sorry, I haven't finished this yet, so this won't work in the state that it's 
in. But just to be clear: this is just an example. If you have your proper 
project, you will need to write your own conversion. If you want to see 
that/how it works, I can send you an example that does work off-list.

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Re: [NTG-context] ConTexT conversion to html/rtf/odt

2010-11-07 Thread Aditya Mahajan

On Sun, 7 Nov 2010, John Haltiwanger wrote:


Aditya, do perhaps know one of these editors with ASCII table mode?


Emacs org mode. Nothing else even comes close to it. There are a few 
scripts that will convert csv to similar to rst tables.


Aditya


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Re: [NTG-context] \startmode and \startcomment inside of \def

2010-11-07 Thread Aditya Mahajan

On Sun, 7 Nov 2010, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:



Am 07.11.2010 um 20:49 schrieb Vedran Miletić:


How would I then do something like this?

\def\startSolution{\startmode[solutions]\startframedtext}
\def\stopSolution{\stopframedtext\stopmode}


\startmode[solution]
\setupbuffer[Solution][local=no,before=\startframedtext,after=\stopframedtext]
\stopmode


In general, I agree with Wolfgang. It is better to redefine the macro at 
an outer level. You can even do:


\defineframedtext[Solution]

\startnotmode[solution]
\definebuffer[Solution][local=yes]
\stopnotmode

However, in the few cases that you actually need to check for a mode 
inside a macro, you can use \doifmode ... etc.


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Re: [NTG-context] context export

2010-11-07 Thread Aditya Mahajan

On Sun, 7 Nov 2010, Manfred Lotz wrote:


Hi Hans,

On Sun, 07 Nov 2010 16:23:37 +0100
Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl wrote:


Hi Manfred,

some reading ... it should not be to hard to map the xml onto
html ... relevant details are in attributes



Hmm, but I would need to have a dtd or schema file in order write a
transformation (xslt or so) to html.



No. I think that Hans meant that you should be able to generate an html 
document directly out of context (instead of the xml document that is 
currently generated).



The other possibility would be to make the html creation an iterative
process along the creation of the context document. I'd would prefer
the first possibility, though.


Another possibility is to just write html (rather xhtml) and process it 
directly in ConTeXt. See the XML manual and Thomas's MyWay on processing 
XHML.



Instead of using xslt I also could code the transformation in Lua. What
xml lib do you recommend to use in Lua?


I don't know about the lua librarties.


Currently, I have no time to code the xml -- htmp conversion.


In the long run, if you want multiple formats for a document that is 
slightly complicated, translating the input to xml is the easiest 
solution.



However, considering above ideas I could start with markdown as
discussed in the other thread which has limitations but gives me a
context source for free as a starting point.


You can also consider richer ascii markups: rst and asciidoc. 
Unfortunately, pandoc only has partial support for rst, and the default 
tools for rst and asciidoc do not export to context.


Aditya
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Re: [NTG-context] TEI XML

2010-11-07 Thread Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد

Hi Thomas,

On Sun, 07 Nov 2010 13:38:18 -0700, Thomas A. Schmitz  
thomas.schm...@uni-bonn.de wrote:


If you want to see that/how it works, I can send you an example that  
does work off-list.


Why not post it to the wiki, even if it needs to be labeled in progress  
etc ... can always use tuftes etc if it's a matter of propriety etc ...


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[NTG-context] \Cap

2010-11-07 Thread Herbert Voss
The documentation says, that \cap converts the first
letter of the word into a capital letter ...
But it didn't

\starttext
\Cap{foo}
\stoptext

TeXLive and TLContrib

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Re: [NTG-context] TEI XML

2010-11-07 Thread Thomas A. Schmitz
Hi Idris and all,

I have finished the example on the wiki so it will give proper output, even if 
a few things are still missing, but the most important stuff is there.

My problem is that the real file contains Greek, and I want this to work for 
everyone, even without Greek fonts, that's why i need to rewrite some parts of 
it...

All best 

Thomas

On Nov 7, 2010, at 10:16 PM, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد wrote:

 Hi Thomas,
 
 On Sun, 07 Nov 2010 13:38:18 -0700, Thomas A. Schmitz 
 thomas.schm...@uni-bonn.de wrote:
 
 If you want to see that/how it works, I can send you an example that does 
 work off-list.
 
 Why not post it to the wiki, even if it needs to be labeled in progress etc 
 ... can always use tuftes etc if it's a matter of propriety etc ...
 
 Best wishes
 Idris
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Re: [NTG-context] TEI XML

2010-11-07 Thread Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد

Hi Thomas,

On Sun, 07 Nov 2010 14:41:11 -0700, Thomas A. Schmitz  
thomas.schm...@uni-bonn.de wrote:


I have finished the example on the wiki so it will give proper output,  
even if a few things are still missing, but the most important stuff is  
there.


Thanks! I've been thinking of reworking CritTexT in terms of xml so I'm  
interested ...


My problem is that the real file contains Greek, and I want this to work  
for everyone, even without Greek fonts,


We don't have a free default Greek for MkIV? I think Scheherezade from SIL  
is default for Arabic (or should be anyway -- I think Khaled made some  
improvements) and is fully unicode etc. Does SIL or someone else have a  
similar font we can use for Greek?


Best wishes
Idris
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Re: [NTG-context] TEI XML

2010-11-07 Thread Thomas A. Schmitz

On Nov 7, 2010, at 10:47 PM, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد wrote:

 We don't have a free default Greek for MkIV? I think Scheherezade from SIL is 
 default for Arabic (or should be anyway -- I think Khaled made some 
 improvements) and is fully unicode etc. Does SIL or someone else have a 
 similar font we can use for Greek?
 
 Best wishes
 Idris

We have SIL gentium, which is very nice and in the minimals. So yes, I could 
have just put Philostratus in Greek up there

Thomas
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Re: [NTG-context] \Cap

2010-11-07 Thread Herbert Voss
Am 07.11.2010 22:22, schrieb Herbert Voss:
 The documentation says, that \cap converts the first
 letter of the word into a capital letter ...
 But it didn't
 
 \starttext
 \Cap{foo}
 \stoptext
 
 TeXLive and TLContrib

using the code from core-fnt.mkii it works with mkiv:

\unexpanded\def\CAPPED#1%
  {{\def\\##1{\smallcapped{##1}}#1}}
\unexpanded\def\SmallCapped#1%
  {\CAPPED{\\#1}}
\def\Cap{\mathortext\normalCap\SmallCapped}

\starttext
\Cap{foo bar baz}

\CAP{foo \\bar \\baz}
\stoptext

Herbert
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