Re: [NTG-context] Going crazy with font conversion (diaeresis)!
On 22 Mar 2005, at 20:40, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
Now it works. Very nice and clear ways to get it.
But both goodies don't work with OSX's Helvetica.dfont
If you try it with the .ttf you'll get:
Error: pdfetex (file Helvetica.ttf): can't find table `OS/2'
== Fatal error occurred, the output PDF file is not finished!
Yes, I've run into that before: Apple doesn't include some
compatibility tables (that TeX-centric utilities rely upon) in some
of their platform fonts. I haven't found a good way to work with those
TTFs.
And if instead you use the .pfb
then you'll get the misplaced macrons and tildes that I've reported.
Just try this:
\loadmapline[+Helvetica Helvetica TeXnANSIEncoding
ReEncodeFont texnansi.enc Helvetica.pfb]
\starttext
\definedfont[Helvetica]
TAVAT.Po
T{}A{}V{}A{}T{}.{}P{}o
\showfont[Helvetica] R\d{o} R{\=o} R\~o
\page\showcharacters
\stoptext
Hum. I haven't tried to replicate that here, but that looks like it
might be an encoding problem: ConTeXt doesn't know that you're using a
texnansi encoding, so it synthesises the characters using the
definitions in enco-def. Is the above file the only way you tested it?
Does this help?
\loadmapline[+Helvetica Helvetica TeXnANSIEncoding ReEncodeFont
texnansi.enc Helvetica.pfb]
\definefontsynonym[texnansi-Helvetica][Helvetica][encoding=texnansi]
\starttext
\definedfont[texnansi-Helvetica]
R\d{o} R{\=o} R\~o
\stoptext
I know the HelveticaNeue is more beautiful ... but nevertheless it
would be interesting why there is the above error (and how it can be
solved).
I do think you're being greedy, but I have to admit I'm curious, too!
adam
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Re: [NTG-context] Going crazy with font conversion (diaeresis)!
Adam Lindsay wrote: On 22 Mar 2005, at 16:14, Steffen Wolfrum wrote: Your result looks promising - but duplicating your way showed me my command line limits: $ afm2pl -p `kpsewhich texnansi.enc` HelveticaNeue.afm afm2pl: fatal: default.lig not found. Yeah, Gerben doesn't include that file that afm2pl expects. A quick google revealed: http://www.tug.org/ftp/texlive/Contents/testinstalled/texmf/fonts/lig/ afm2pl/default.lig ...which I copied to the working directory. It should be included in gwTeX. afaik there is also a bug in afm2pl i.e. it does not look at the right spit for the lig file Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Going crazy with font conversion (diaeresis)!
Hi Adam, Adam Lindsay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd also ask why, if you have the superior Helvetica Neue working, you're trying to get the plain, no-oblique Helvetica going as well. I see it like the difference between LM and the original CM conversion... the later interpretation is far superior, and much more subtly drawn. Yes it is, of course! But by using HelveticaNeue as is, there is no kerning information included. The result is quite poor, as you can imagine. And as I don't know how to set a proper kerning (in reasonable time) AND how to get it available in ConTeXt I see no other alternative than using Helvetica and use the kerning information that is included in Adobes afm/tfm/vf files (being part of tetex). But if someone want to show me the path to proper TeX kerning I'd also prefer HelveticaNeue, no doubt! Steffen ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Going crazy with font conversion (diaeresis)!
Hallo Steffen,
On 22 Mar 2005, at 12:03, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
I'd also ask why, if you have the superior Helvetica Neue working,
you're trying to get the plain, no-oblique Helvetica going as well. I
Yes it is, of course!
But by using HelveticaNeue as is, there is no kerning information
included. The result is quite poor, as you can imagine.
Ouch! You're right!
That just goes to show how seldom I used the converted Mac fonts... :-/
And as I don't know how to set a proper kerning (in reasonable time)
AND how to get it available in ConTeXt I see no other alternative
than using Helvetica and use the kerning information that is included
in Adobes afm/tfm/vf files (being part of tetex).
But if someone want to show me the path to proper TeX kerning I'd also
prefer HelveticaNeue, no doubt!
Okay, it was trickier than I thought.
But I used the .afm obtained from FontForge conversion, and discarded
the .pfb.
afm2pl -p `kpsewhich texnansi.enc` HelveticaNeue.afm
pltotf HelveticaNeue
Because I'm impatient, and wanted a quick test:
\loadmapline[+HelveticaNeue HelveticaNeue TeXnANSIEncoding
ReEncodeFont texnansi.enc HelveticaNeue.ttf]
\starttext
\definedfont[HelveticaNeue]
TAVAT.Po
T{}A{}V{}A{}T{}.{}P{}o
\stoptext
tester.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document
As far as I understand it, texfont assumes there's a .pfb if it sees an
.afm, so texfont can't automate the installation as it stands. Are you
sufficiently keen on texfont for this to be changed?
Cheers,
adam
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RE: [NTG-context] Going crazy with font conversion (diaeresis)!
Steffen Wolfrum wrote: But by using HelveticaNeue as is, there is no kerning information included. The result is quite poor, as you can imagine. And as I don't know how to set a proper kerning (in reasonable time) AND how to get it available in ConTeXt I see no other alternative than using Helvetica and use the kerning information that is included in Adobes afm/tfm/vf files (being part of tetex). I'm really wondering why there's no kerning. (Maybe I missed something of the previous discussion) Probably you should check the version numbers of the pfb and then take the original AFMs from Adobe/Linotype. I'm also using Helvetica Neue (total 67 afms) and it works well ;-) Ulrich Dirr ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Going crazy with font conversion (diaeresis)!
On 22 Mar 2005, at 14:54, Ulrich Dirr wrote: I'm really wondering why there's no kerning. (Maybe I missed something of the previous discussion) Probably you should check the version numbers of the pfb and then take the original AFMs from Adobe/Linotype. Short answer (from what I can tell), Apple's TTFs keep the kerning in a different table from MS-centric TTFs. ttf2afm doesn't output any kerns from the font in question. Conclude what you like from that, but remember that Apple invented TrueType :) adam ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Going crazy with font conversion (diaeresis)!
Hi Adam,
Adam Lindsay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Okay, it was trickier than I thought.
But I used the .afm obtained from FontForge conversion, and discarded
the .pfb.
afm2pl -p `kpsewhich texnansi.enc` HelveticaNeue.afm
pltotf HelveticaNeue
Because I'm impatient, and wanted a quick test:
\loadmapline[+HelveticaNeue HelveticaNeue TeXnANSIEncoding
ReEncodeFont texnansi.enc HelveticaNeue.ttf]
\starttext
\definedfont[HelveticaNeue]
TAVAT.Po
T{}A{}V{}A{}T{}.{}P{}o
\stoptext
Your result looks promising - but duplicating your way showed me my
command line limits:
$ afm2pl -p `kpsewhich texnansi.enc` HelveticaNeue.afm
afm2pl: fatal: default.lig not found.
$ pltotf HelveticaNeue
pltotf: HelveticaNeue.pl: No such file or directory
As I have never used afm2pl or pltotf the usage above is praobably wrong.
Or was my Fontforge export bad?
(When I open the AFM exported by FontForge there are no entries for
KerningPairs ...)
And looking at your test file: where are your ttf and other files in
this situation?
Steffen
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Re: [NTG-context] Going crazy with font conversion (diaeresis)!
On 22 Mar 2005, at 16:14, Steffen Wolfrum wrote: Your result looks promising - but duplicating your way showed me my command line limits: $ afm2pl -p `kpsewhich texnansi.enc` HelveticaNeue.afm afm2pl: fatal: default.lig not found. Yeah, Gerben doesn't include that file that afm2pl expects. A quick google revealed: http://www.tug.org/ftp/texlive/Contents/testinstalled/texmf/fonts/lig/ afm2pl/default.lig ...which I copied to the working directory. It should be included in gwTeX. Running the command above should do it. $ pltotf HelveticaNeue pltotf: HelveticaNeue.pl: No such file or directory The fatal error above didn't generate a .pl file, so the next command wasn't able to use it. As I have never used afm2pl or pltotf the usage above is praobably wrong. Or was my Fontforge export bad? And looking at your test file: where are your ttf and other files in this situation? All in the working directory. I could then rename, put them in the tex/fonts/ tree, and rehash, but that's it down to the essence. Here's another goodie: dumpafm.pe Description: application/text The attached dumpafm.pe uses fontforge to write out afms from a given dfont (or other multi-font) file. So, for example: /usr/local/bin/fontforge -script dumpafm.pe /Library/Fonts/Optima.dfont ...creates five new AFMs (with kerning pairs) in the current directory. From there, you can do the above two steps. Since afm2pl also creates mapfiles, you can do some extra CLI magic to stitch those together automatically. We can probably take the rest of this off-list if you need further CLI help. cheers, adam ___ ntg-context mailing list ntg-context@ntg.nl http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context
Re: [NTG-context] Going crazy with font conversion (diaeresis)!
Hallo Adam,
Adam Lindsay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...which I copied to the working directory. It should be included in
gwTeX.
Running the command above should do it.
$ pltotf HelveticaNeue
pltotf: HelveticaNeue.pl: No such file or directory
The fatal error above didn't generate a .pl file, so the next command
wasn't able to use it.
As I have never used afm2pl or pltotf the usage above is praobably
wrong.
Or was my Fontforge export bad?
And looking at your test file: where are your ttf and other files in
this situation?
All in the working directory. I could then rename, put them in the
tex/fonts/ tree, and rehash, but that's it down to the essence.
Here's another goodie:
...
Now it works. Very nice and clear ways to get it.
But both goodies don't work with OSX's Helvetica.dfont
If you try it with the .ttf you'll get:
Error: pdfetex (file Helvetica.ttf): can't find table `OS/2'
== Fatal error occurred, the output PDF file is not finished!
And if instead you use the .pfb
then you'll get the misplaced macrons and tildes that I've reported.
Just try this:
\loadmapline[+Helvetica Helvetica TeXnANSIEncoding
ReEncodeFont texnansi.enc Helvetica.pfb]
\starttext
\definedfont[Helvetica]
TAVAT.Po
T{}A{}V{}A{}T{}.{}P{}o
\showfont[Helvetica] R\d{o} R{\=o} R\~o
\page\showcharacters
\stoptext
I know the HelveticaNeue is more beautiful ... but nevertheless it
would be interesting why there is the above error (and how it can be
solved).
Thanks for your help and support!
Steffen
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