On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 08:06:14PM +0100, Hans Hagen via ntg-context wrote:
> I can add sanskit patterns to the distribution but I wonder: how does this
> interact with reordering in fonts? Do we need to postpone hyphenation till
> after reordering?
If you mean glyph reordering in Indic
On 1/9/2022 11:23 AM, hanneder--- via ntg-context wrote:
1. In Sanskrit prose it is possible to produce compounds that span a few
lines. The concept of
"word" or "word division" fails here, as are the TeX mechanisms.
What we need in practice would be a "hyphenation" for the language
On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 02:31:53PM +0100, Jean-Pierre Delange via ntg-context
wrote:
> Yves Codet (Assistant Professor at Toulouse University, member of CRAPA an
> institutional public research in Humanities in South of France) is involved
> in TeX patterns for Greek and Indic languages. He is a
Thank you very much Arthur !
Yves Codet (Assistant Professor at Toulouse University, member of CRAPA
an institutional public research in Humanities in South of France) is
involved in TeX patterns for Greek and Indic languages. He is a
translator of Indian theater pieces (among other things).
On Sun, Jan 09, 2022 at 11:46:44PM +0100, Hans Hagen via ntg-context wrote:
> On 1/9/2022 11:23 AM, hanneder--- via ntg-context wrote:
>> 1. In Sanskrit prose it is possible to produce compounds that span a few
>> lines. The concept of
>> "word" or "word division" fails here, as are the TeX
On 1/9/2022 11:23 AM, hanneder--- via ntg-context wrote:
1. In Sanskrit prose it is possible to produce compounds that span a few
lines. The concept of
"word" or "word division" fails here, as are the TeX mechanisms.
What we need in practice would be a "hyphenation" for the language
On 1/9/2022 11:23 AM, hanneder--- via ntg-context wrote:
2. Fonts that contain all necessary diacritics have become sparse. (This
is more a lamentation, not
much one can do about it, I guess).
When I started TeXing people were used to writing aṭavī as
a\d{t}av{\=\i}. Not user
On 1/9/2022 11:23 AM, hanneder--- via ntg-context wrote:
Thank god, we have many TeX fonts derived from older ones that still
work, but many entries in
the TeX Font Catalogue do not!
It's often not that bad when you use context ...
% \enabletrackers[*comp*]
Dear list,
I am currently working on a critical edition as well, and follow the discussion
with interest. For the time being, I prefer Latex over Context for this project.
In addition to Jürgen's remarks on transcription fonts, a small contribution:
Arabists and turcologists working with
I was just writing a mail (below) and saw:
They do indic scripts and Kai made the first version of the
devanagari code for the context fontloader code that I then optimized.
Fascinating. Where can I learn more about that or is that
user-unfriendly (my technical knowledge is rather limited).
Den lör 8 jan. 2022 12:44Jean-Pierre Delange via ntg-context <
ntg-context@ntg.nl> skrev:
> Luigi,
>
> Thank you for the link.
>
> Unfortunately this site mentions some typesetting work for research on
> Stoicism (and other stuff) and on uploading the manuscripts of the English
> philosopher John
Thanks Hans for this detailed informations !
Le 08/01/2022 à 14:03, Hans Hagen via ntg-context a écrit :
On 1/8/2022 12:40 PM, Jean-Pierre Delange via ntg-context wrote:
Luigi,
Thank you for the link.
Unfortunately this site mentions some typesetting work for research
on Stoicism (and
On 1/8/2022 12:40 PM, Jean-Pierre Delange via ntg-context wrote:
Luigi,
Thank you for the link.
Unfortunately this site mentions some typesetting work for research on
Stoicism (and other stuff) and on uploading the manuscripts of the
English philosopher John Locke, but apparently some links
Luigi,
Thank you for the link.
Unfortunately this site mentions some typesetting work for research on
Stoicism (and other stuff) and on uploading the manuscripts of the
English philosopher John Locke, but apparently some links are dead and
the maintenance of the site seems to have stopped
On 1/7/2022 6:25 PM, hanneder--- via ntg-context wrote:
Probably the situation in South Asian Studies (Indology) is peculiar.
As I indicated, there are mostly no budgets for book typesetting in
Indology and
I know of no real expert for typesetting in this field. In other words,
the authors
On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 6:25 PM hanneder--- via ntg-context <
ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
>
> Probably the situation in South Asian Studies (Indology) is peculiar.
> As I indicated, there are mostly no budgets for book typesetting in
> Indology and
> I know of no real expert for typesetting in
Probably the situation in South Asian Studies (Indology) is peculiar.
As I indicated, there are mostly no budgets for book typesetting in
Indology and
I know of no real expert for typesetting in this field. In other
words, the authors
have do it themselves, usually in Word etc., but some do
Am 06.01.22 um 19:41 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context:
there was a time when publishers did typesetting and printing themselves
in which case they might have some interest in tools but afaik that time
is long gone (and i admit that i never met a publisher where investing
in know how and
On 1/6/2022 6:47 PM, Jean-Pierre Delange via ntg-context wrote:
The question of funding computing tools is an issue : it is true in a
private situation when you want to write a manuscript with versioning
(you have to know how it works), but it is more relevant within an
academic field of
Le 06/01/2022 à 17:57, Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context a écrit :
On 1/5/22 12:52 PM, hanneder--- via ntg-context wrote:
Dear critical edition experts,
the examples given in ConTeXt_Test_Footnote-ComplexMedieval.pdf and
the other posts are really answering my questions. Everything seems
to
On 1/5/22 12:52 PM, hanneder--- via ntg-context wrote:
>
> Dear critical edition experts,
>
> the examples given in ConTeXt_Test_Footnote-ComplexMedieval.pdf and
> the other posts are really answering my questions. Everything seems
> to be already there and if there were a Wiki on critical
On 1/5/22 1:34 PM, Jean-Pierre Delange via ntg-context wrote:
> Pablo and Luigi,
>
> Or simply add this paper to the bibliographical survey at the end of the
> wiki page made by Thomas ?
>
> https://wiki.contextgarden.net/TEI_xml
Jean-Pierre,
excellent idea!
Pablo
On 1/5/22 6:39 PM, hanneder--- via ntg-context wrote:
> Dear Jean-Pierre,
>
> I started preparing some examples, but first a quick question: Where
> can I find out the exact behaviour of a command option like aNote.
>
> If you define a \cNote with \definelinenote[cNote][n=3] as in your
> example,
Hi Pablo !
Herewith the Luigi Scarso file translated into English ...
Le 05/01/2022 à 12:54, Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context a écrit :
On 1/5/22 9:43 AM, luigi scarso via ntg-context wrote:
[...]
quite old (2014), but perhaps still interesting:
embedding of a tei-xml into a tagged pdf
On Wed, 5 Jan 2022, hanneder--- via ntg-context wrote:
> Dear Jean-Pierre,
>
> I started preparing some examples, but first a quick question: Where
> can I find out the exact behaviour of a command option like aNote.
>
> If you define a \cNote with \definelinenote[cNote][n=3] as in your
>
The starting point of the discussion on reledmac and other related points, has
begun on May 13, 2016. See here about the way to get a ConTeXt equivalent to a
LaTeX encoding : https://www.mail-archive.com/ntg-context@ntg.nl/msg81793.html
}{première note} senatoriisque
prints laboribus in the text and as the lemma! I cannot see where this is
defined (and explained).
- Nachricht von Jean-Pierre Delange -
Datum: Wed, 5 Jan 2022 13:29:20 +0100
Von: Jean-Pierre Delange
Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] Critical Editions
Hi Luigi & Pablo,
I’ve thinking that Google translate may be provide some help. I’ll try it !
> Le 5 janv. 2022 à 17:13, luigi scarso via ntg-context a
> écrit :
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 12:54 PM Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context
> mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl>> wrote:
> On 1/5/22 9:43 AM,
On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 12:54 PM Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context <
ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
> On 1/5/22 9:43 AM, luigi scarso via ntg-context wrote:
> > [...]
> > quite old (2014), but perhaps still interesting:
> > embedding of a tei-xml into a tagged pdf
> >
Am 05.01.22 um 12:54 schrieb Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context:
On 1/5/22 9:43 AM, luigi scarso via ntg-context wrote:
[...]
quite old (2014), but perhaps still interesting:
embedding of a tei-xml into a tagged pdf
https://www.guitex.org/home/images/ArsTeXnica/AT018/teitagged.pdf
Luigi,
if
I've found in NTG archives a discussion on XML analysis tool, which make
me feel like a soldier who wants to fight after the battle ! ... 5 years
ago
See here :
https://ntg-context.ntg.narkive.com/HAES9QLP/tei-to-context-xml-mappings
So, the question is (I don't want to start some
Pablo and Luigi,
Or simply add this paper to the bibliographical survey at the end of the
wiki page made by Thomas ?
https://wiki.contextgarden.net/TEI_xml
Le 05/01/2022 à 12:54, Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context a écrit :
On 1/5/22 9:43 AM, luigi scarso via ntg-context wrote:
[...]
quite
Dear Jürgen,
Would you mind to test the MWE sample I've given
(ConTeXt_Test_Footnote-ComplexMedieval.tex) whith a little bit more
information inside - in order to test furthermore ? You can change the
text, even the \dorecurse option, in order to see what simply works and
what does not for
On 1/5/22 9:43 AM, luigi scarso via ntg-context wrote:
> [...]
> quite old (2014), but perhaps still interesting:
> embedding of a tei-xml into a tagged pdf
> https://www.guitex.org/home/images/ArsTeXnica/AT018/teitagged.pdf
Luigi,
if you allow me a comment (or even a suggestion), an English
Dear critical edition experts,
the examples given in ConTeXt_Test_Footnote-ComplexMedieval.pdf and
the other posts are really
answering my questions. Everything seems to be already there and if
there were a Wiki on critical
editions I would perhaps have not even asked. Thanks a lot! If
Thank you Luigi !
"Quite old" doesn't matter. The date of the wiki page from Thomas is
2010... And my own contribution to first steps with ConTeXt (in French
and not for mathematics) through a Wikibook is no more valuable, full of
errors and obsolete on many aspects
On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 12:00 AM Jean-Pierre Delange via ntg-context <
ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
> Thomas,
> Even if I am an occasional user of CTX (mainly class courses for beginners
> and sophomore or by trying to write samples of what it is possible to
> achieve with it), and if I think I am
Thomas,
Even if I am an occasional user of CTX (mainly class courses for
beginners and sophomore or by trying to write samples of what it is
possible to achieve with it), and if I think I am aware about what can
do CTX or what it cannot do, I didn't know that you wrote a wiki page
on TEI-XML
I basically agree with everything you say, Jean-Pierre. Publishers are
modern-day robber barons, and they have been stifling and exploiting scholars
and scholarship for many years now. Behemoths such as Brill, de Gruyter, or
Elsevier are bankrupting libraries in the entire world. However, we
Thomas,
You are deeply right ! But this is an issue in academic edition, not
only because students read no more at length (specially in humanities),
and by consequence, don't buy books, but among other reasons there is a
general problem in publishing in academic fields, pointed by Jürgen
> On 3. Jan 2022, at 10:43, hanneder--- via ntg-context
> wrote:
>
> While the system is ingenious
> and a great relief (for we do not have to work with xml directly), I am also
> critical about these
> new demands, because they force us to use a fairly complex system for
> sometimes quite
On 1/3/22 10:43 AM, hanneder--- via ntg-context wrote:
> For the last two decades edmac and its further developments (now
> reledmac) have become the standard for critical editions. In my
> experience the basic requirements for typesetting critical editions
> were and are:
>
> - footnotes have to
On 12/21/21 10:50 AM, hanneder--- via ntg-context wrote:
>
> Details:
> I was able to find the article "Ediciones críticas con ConTeXt" (is
> this in use?)
Hi Jürgen,
if you mean http://www.ediciones-criticas.tk/pdf/criticas-context.pdf,
this is outdated. I hope to update it in a not so distant
- Nachricht von Bruce Horrocks via ntg-context
-
Datum: Fri, 24 Dec 2021 16:39:12 +
Von: Bruce Horrocks via ntg-context
Antwort an: mailing list for ConTeXt users
Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] Critical Editions?
An: mailing list for ConTeXt users
Cc: B
jogamaya}
> \rdg[wit={N22}]{{\supplied{\gap{reason=lost,unit=word,quantity=1
> }
>
> Please ignore the details, but perhaps you get my point. It is all becoming
> very ingenious and it
> is a great relief that all this can be automatized. But it is also
> increasingly complicated
twort an: mailing list for ConTeXt users
Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] Critical Editions?
An: mailing list for ConTeXt users
Cc: Bruce Horrocks , Idris Samawi Hamid
On 24 Dec 2021, at 12:07, Hans Hagen via ntg-context
wrote:
a lot related to numbering, referencing and notes a
> On 24 Dec 2021, at 12:07, Hans Hagen via ntg-context
> wrote:
>
> a lot related to numbering, referencing and notes and much of that is present
>
> so if you can team up with other critical edition users ... i suppose that
> Idris can send you his onthology-so-far
I'm not a user but was
On 12/21/2021 10:50 AM, hanneder--- via ntg-context wrote:
I just started switching after long years of typesetting with
La-/Omega-/pdfTeX to Context and was exploring the capabilities of the
program for typesetting critical editions. So I was
wondering whether there is any updated
Am 21.12.21 um 11:06 schrieb Denis Maier via ntg-context:
Thanks for bringing this topic up again. I'd also be highly interested in this!
Me too as a publisher in the humanities and evangelist for ConTeXt ;)
I raised the subject at previous context meetings, but the requirements
for
aff.uni-marburg.de
> Betreff: [NTG-context] Critical Editions?
>
>
> I just started switching after long years of typesetting with La-/Omega-
> /pdfTeX to Context and was exploring the capabilities of the program for
> typesetting critical editions. So I was wondering whether there
I just started switching after long years of typesetting with
La-/Omega-/pdfTeX to Context and was exploring the capabilities of the
program for typesetting critical editions. So I was
wondering whether there is any updated information on how to produce
critical editions?
Details:
I was
On 7/22/2015 11:33 PM, tala...@fastmail.fm wrote:
Dear Pablo,
Thank you very much for what you proposed — it did work indeed. I tried to
achieve the same at some length this afternoon. I think I understand what is
going on in the first macro, but wouldn’t have been able to arrive at the the
On 07/22/2015 11:33 PM, tala...@fastmail.fm wrote:
Dear Pablo,
Thank you very much for what you proposed — it did work indeed. I
tried to achieve the same at some length this afternoon. I think I
understand what is going on in the first macro, but wouldn’t have been
able to arrive at the
On 07/22/2015 09:26 PM, Talal wrote:
[...]
I would like to be able to automate (through macros) the making of a
critical apparatus' note. This is for two reasons. First, the body text
and the lemma in the note below should be identical: as such, they
ideally not have to be typed twice, as it
Hans Hagen pragma at wxs.nl writes:
Actually ranges have always been supported ...
Maybe I should add those commands.
Hans
Picking up on an old thread, again.
The document below lays out the three basic parts of a critical
apparatus of a critical edition of a text: (1) the body text;
Dear Pablo,
Thank you very much for what you proposed — it did work indeed. I tried to
achieve the same at some length this afternoon. I think I understand what is
going on in the first macro, but wouldn’t have been able to arrive at the the
second one for \variant, or the counter (and still
On 12/15/2012 5:11 PM, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
On 12/14/2012 01:33 PM, MANUEL GONZALEZ SUAREZ wrote:
Hello
I would get the module CritTeXt Idris Samawi. I have the documentation
but still does not appear on the ConTeXt wiki. I think it may be
interesting to develop critical editions.
Thanks to
···date: 2012-12-16, Sunday···from: Hans Hagen···
On 12/15/2012 5:11 PM, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
On 12/14/2012 01:33 PM, MANUEL GONZALEZ SUAREZ wrote:
Hello
I would get the module CritTeXt Idris Samawi. I have the documentation
but still does not appear on the ConTeXt wiki. I think it may
On 12/14/2012 01:33 PM, MANUEL GONZALEZ SUAREZ wrote:
Hello
I would get the module CritTeXt Idris Samawi. I have the documentation
but still does not appear on the ConTeXt wiki. I think it may be
interesting to develop critical editions.
Thanks to all
I'm afraid the module doesn't exist. What
HelloI would
get the module
CritTeXt Idris Samawi.
I have the documentation but still does not appear on the ConTeXt wiki. I think it may be interesting to develop critical editions.Thanks to all-- Manuel González Suárez
[If this is considered too off-topic for this list, please ignore this
mail. My main point has still something to do with ConTeXt, but I guess
this discussion shouldn't be continued on the list.]
On 07/22/2012 08:07 PM, Pablo Rodríguez wrote:
And to explain that a bit: it's not merely ugly. If
On 20/07/12 22:41, Hans Hagen wrote:
On 20-7-2012 20:21, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
[...]
And to explain that a bit: it's not merely ugly. If all you want is
the printed book, you don't care about the ugliness and simply code this
way to get the desired output. However, we are in the 21st
On 20/07/12 20:21, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
[...]
And to explain that a bit: it's not merely ugly. If all you want is
the printed book, you don't care about the ugliness and simply code this
way to get the desired output. However, we are in the 21st century. We
should be beyond the point
Just a few comments on this helpful mail:
On 07/19/2012 12:57 PM, MANUEL GONZALEZ SUAREZ wrote:
I'm not a classical philologist, but the way ConTeXt works is much
clearer than ledmac to me (although I have only tested ledmac for a
couple of days).
I haven't looked at ledmac too closely, and of
On 20-7-2012 17:41, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
This may be a bit more difficult, because it involves thinking about
proper input syntax. How do you want to mark this passage? If you can
come up with clean and unequivocal syntax and demonstrate it in an
example, your chances aren't too bad.
On 07/20/2012 06:45 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
Actually ranges have always been supported (as we needed in the previous
century already for referring to passages in texts where students had to
comment on):
Yes, that's something I forgot in my mail: ask on the list, and chances
are that it has
I'm trying to get straight in my head what critical-edition-related
commands are already implemented in ConTeXt.
Implemented:
(a) footnotes on specific lines, specified inline: \linenote{note text}
(b) ditto on line ranges: \startlinenote[tag]{note text} ... \stoplinenote[tag]
(c) tag a line and
Am 20.07.2012 um 19:33 schrieb Sietse Brouwer:
Hans wrote:
but as you mention the interface is a bit problematic as start/stop is not
nice when being nested
Do you mean it doesn't look nice, or is it so that nesting or
interleaving \startlinenote[tag] ... \stoplinenote[tag] environments
On 20/07/12 17:41, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
Just a few comments on this helpful mail:
Thank you very much for your reply, Thomas.
On 07/19/2012 12:57 PM, MANUEL GONZALEZ SUAREZ wrote:
I'm not a classical philologist, but the way ConTeXt works is much
clearer than ledmac to me (although I
On 07/20/2012 08:01 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
Hans speaks about something like this
\startone
…
\starttwo
…
\stopone
…
\stopone
where environment ranges overlap.
And to explain that a bit: it's not merely ugly. If all you want is
the printed book, you don't care about the ugliness and
On 20-7-2012 20:21, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
On 07/20/2012 08:01 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
Hans speaks about something like this
\startone
…
\starttwo
…
\stopone
…
\stopone
where environment ranges overlap.
And to explain that a bit: it's not merely ugly. If all you want is
the printed
Hi Pablo..Thanks for your quick response. The truth is that I am very, very newbie working with ConTeXt (in fact I know only a few months) but I think the possibilities are extraordinary for all kinds of documents.The issue of critical issues is fairly well resolved in LaTeX with ledmac, but I
Hey. First, thanks to Andreas for his solution to the bibliographies. Second, a question: is there a module to produce critical editions with ConTeXt? In critical editions usually have several groups of footnotes and reference is usually made by line number. With LaTeX can be done using ledmac,
On 7/18/12 10:10 AM, MANUEL GONZALEZ SUAREZ wrote:
Hey.
First, thanks to Andreas for his solution to the bibliographies.
Second, a question: is there a module to produce critical editions with
ConTeXt? In critical editions usually have several groups of footnotes
and reference is usually made by
On 18/07/12 12:09, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
On 7/18/12 10:10 AM, MANUEL GONZALEZ SUAREZ wrote:
Hey.
First, thanks to Andreas for his solution to the bibliographies.
Second, a question: is there a module to produce critical editions with
ConTeXt? In critical editions usually have several
Thomas A.Schmitz wrote:
Thanks Hans, but it's primarily edmac that I'm interested in, not
arabtex. Could the edmac macros just be part of a Context module?
not so much edmac, but similar functionality; as idris suggests: just provide a
request for functionality + examples; think about what you
Thomas A.Schmitz wrote:
Sorry, hit the send button by accident.
OK, I feel guilty resurrecting this stale thread, but I can't resist
asking again.
I found this in m-arabtex.tex:
%\pushmacro\edmacloaded \let \edmacloaded \undefined
and later
%\popmacro\edmacloaded
Both lines are
On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:30:38 +0100, Thomas A.Schmitz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks Hans, but it's primarily edmac that I'm interested in, not
arabtex. Could the edmac macros just be part of a Context module?
I actually considered that. During my own pre-ConTeXt work I dived deep
into the
Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:
On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:30:38 +0100, Thomas A.Schmitz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks Hans, but it's primarily edmac that I'm interested in, not
arabtex. Could the edmac macros just be part of a Context module?
I actually considered that. During my own pre-ConTeXt work
Thomas A.Schmitz wrote:
OK, I feel guilty resurrecting this stale thread, but I can't resist
asking again.
I found this in m-arabtex.tex:
%\pushmacro\edmacloaded \let \edmacloaded \undefined
and later
%\popmacro\edmacloaded
Both lines are commented out, so I'm still wondering if
i
OK, I feel guilty resurrecting this stale thread, but I can't resist
asking again.
I found this in m-arabtex.tex:
%\pushmacro\edmacloaded \let \edmacloaded \undefined
and later
%\popmacro\edmacloaded
Both lines are commented out, so I'm still wondering if
The absolute basics that are
Sorry, hit the send button by accident.
OK, I feel guilty resurrecting this stale thread, but I can't resist
asking again.
I found this in m-arabtex.tex:
%\pushmacro\edmacloaded \let \edmacloaded \undefined
and later
%\popmacro\edmacloaded
Both lines are commented out, so I'm still
Sorry if this is a double post; I sent this message on Friday, and I
think it somehow got lost.
In March/April 2002, Hans and Idris had an interesting exchange about
the topic critical editions in context here in ntg-context; the main
question was whether the functionality of edmac could be
Hi Thomas,
Thomas A.Schmitz wrote:
In March/April 2002, Hans and Idris had an interesting exchange about
the topic critical editions in context here in ntg-context; the main
question was whether the functionality of edmac could be implemented in
context. I'd be curious to know whether
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