Re: [NTG-context] Change whitespace before item?
That sounds like a good idea. From what you are telling me and my experience, it seems that the gurus are too busy anyway to help newbies... On Tuesday 11 August 2009 13:13:02 Stéphane Goujet wrote: Wolfgang Schuster a écrit : Am 11.08.2009 um 17:41 schrieb U Avalos: How can I get a question answered on this list, BTW? It seems that no one either knows anything or are too busy for simple questions. FYI, devs, this language is going to die if you don't get more users You're really impolite for someone who wants help from others. Polite or not, what he says is true. Simple questions from end- users are barely answered while questions from developpers/people with experience are generaly answered and generate rather long threads. I have tried posting questions once or twice and I never got a single answer. The result is that, now, I do not post them here any more. The flow of development/high level messages (that I do not understand) is important, too important for me to see and possibly try to answer most end-users questions. Perhaps it would be time to split this mailing-list in 2 parts, one really for users and the other for developpers, beta testers, package programmers, etc. Of course, the drawback of doing this is that the gurus will not be interested in following the users' list and will be kept busy with other lists, so they will not be present to enlighten beginners. Goodbye, Stéphane. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Change whitespace before item?
Isn't it well documented in the wiki? http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Enumerations No, actually. The documentation says to use margins but that command does not seem to work for sub-lists. Unless my notation is wrong, it would seem that the margin values for a sub-list are hardcoded. For example, the following code does NOT work for me: \startitemize[n] \item top level \startitemize[a][margin=5cm] \item sub item 1 \item sub item 2 \stopitemize \stopitemize Margin has no effect on the sublist... On Tuesday 11 August 2009 12:57:40 Derek CORDEIRO wrote: On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 9:11 PM, U Avalos amscopub- m...@yahoo.com wrote: Say I want to change the whitespace before an item in an enumeration. The diagram below: |.(a) Item 2 |.(b) item 2 Say I want to change the whitespace (represented by the dots) in a list? How can I do that? Tried various settings: changing margin, adding hskip, but nothing seems to do the trick. There doesn't seem to be anything in the docs... Isn't it well documented in the wiki? http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Enumerations How can I get a question answered on this list, BTW? It seems that no one either knows anything or are too busy for simple questions. FYI, devs, this language is going to die if you don't get more users Now who would guess that you would get replies by being rude? But it sounds like you are doing the devs a favor by using ConTeXt. I think it has been around long enough to not worry about its death. This is one of the best lists I've subscribed to. Regards, Derek ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Change whitespace before item?
Like I said, I tried margin and it does NOT work. Margin has no effect on sub-lists. \startitemize[n] \item top level \startitemize[a,margin=5cm] \item sub item 1 \item sub item 2 \stopitemize \stopitemize margin does NOT affect the sublist at all. Oh I apologize if you took the rant personally. (At least it got your attention!) However, I was trying to point out that with a plethora of other options (scribus, latex, etc) combined with a lack of help, will just send new users packing. Eventually, you'll just be left with veteran users. I'm really trying to make this work for me though -- it's just that the incomplete docs and lack of mailing list help is making this a very frustrating journey :( On Tuesday 11 August 2009 12:42:35 Wolfgang Schuster wrote: Am 11.08.2009 um 17:41 schrieb U Avalos: Say I want to change the whitespace before an item in an enumeration. The diagram below: |.(a) Item 2 |.(b) item 2 Say I want to change the whitespace (represented by the dots) in a list? How can I do that? Tried various settings: changing margin, adding hskip, but nothing seems to do the trick. There doesn't seem to be anything in the docs... \showframe \starttext \startitemize[a][stopper=,left=(,right=),margin=2cm] \item Item 1 \item Item 2 \stopitemize \stoptext How can I get a question answered on this list, BTW? It seems that no one either knows anything or are too busy for simple questions. FYI, devs, this language is going to die if you don't get more users You're really impolite for someone who wants help from others. BTW: Your question was already questioned and answered in the past, it would have been easy for you to get the answer when you tried to search in the mail archive. Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Change whitespace before item?
Hi, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد wrote: It seems that no one either knows anything or are too busy for simple questions. People are busy, and no one necessarily reads every single mail. It is a busy list after all. But see above. I just saw this thread while approving Uriel Avalos' earlier posts. I used to answer newbie questions on the list, but currently I simply do not have the time for that. In between preparing metapost and luatex releases for texlive and organising and preparing my talks for the upcoming context meeting, reinstalling the NTG server and on top of that a big workload of commercial stuff with September deadlines I simply do not have time respond to anything but personal questions. I hope this situation will improve at the end of September. Best wishes, Taco ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Change whitespace before item?
Am 11.08.2009 um 17:41 schrieb U Avalos: Say I want to change the whitespace before an item in an enumeration. The diagram below: |.(a) Item 2 |.(b) item 2 Say I want to change the whitespace (represented by the dots) in a list? How can I do that? Tried various settings: changing margin, adding hskip, but nothing seems to do the trick. There doesn't seem to be anything in the docs... \showframe \starttext \startitemize[a][stopper=,left=(,right=),margin=2cm] \item Item 1 \item Item 2 \stopitemize \stoptext How can I get a question answered on this list, BTW? It seems that no one either knows anything or are too busy for simple questions. FYI, devs, this language is going to die if you don't get more users You're really impolite for someone who wants help from others. BTW: Your question was already questioned and answered in the past, it would have been easy for you to get the answer when you tried to search in the mail archive. Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Change whitespace before item?
Wolfgang answered your main question, so that leaves On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:41:26 -0600, U Avalos amscopub-m...@yahoo.com wrote: How can I get a question answered on this list, BTW? Very simple: politely send the question a second time if you don't get a response. I've had to do that many times myself in the past, no one is priveleged here... It seems that no one either knows anything or are too busy for simple questions. People are busy, and no one necessarily reads every single mail. It is a busy list after all. But see above. FYI, devs, this language is going to die if you don't get more users Who says we don't get more users? Best wishes -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid, Editor-in-Chief International Journal of Shi`i Studies Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Change whitespace before item?
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 9:11 PM, U Avalos amscopub-m...@yahoo.com wrote: Say I want to change the whitespace before an item in an enumeration. The diagram below: |.(a) Item 2 |.(b) item 2 Say I want to change the whitespace (represented by the dots) in a list? How can I do that? Tried various settings: changing margin, adding hskip, but nothing seems to do the trick. There doesn't seem to be anything in the docs... Isn't it well documented in the wiki? http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Enumerations How can I get a question answered on this list, BTW? It seems that no one either knows anything or are too busy for simple questions. FYI, devs, this language is going to die if you don't get more users Now who would guess that you would get replies by being rude? But it sounds like you are doing the devs a favor by using ConTeXt. I think it has been around long enough to not worry about its death. This is one of the best lists I've subscribed to. Regards, Derek ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Change whitespace before item?
Wolfgang Schuster a écrit : Am 11.08.2009 um 17:41 schrieb U Avalos: How can I get a question answered on this list, BTW? It seems that no one either knows anything or are too busy for simple questions. FYI, devs, this language is going to die if you don't get more users You're really impolite for someone who wants help from others. Polite or not, what he says is true. Simple questions from end-users are barely answered while questions from developpers/people with experience are generaly answered and generate rather long threads. I have tried posting questions once or twice and I never got a single answer. The result is that, now, I do not post them here any more. The flow of development/high level messages (that I do not understand) is important, too important for me to see and possibly try to answer most end-users questions. Perhaps it would be time to split this mailing-list in 2 parts, one really for users and the other for developpers, beta testers, package programmers, etc. Of course, the drawback of doing this is that the gurus will not be interested in following the users' list and will be kept busy with other lists, so they will not be present to enlighten beginners. Goodbye, Stéphane. ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Change whitespace before item?
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:13:02 -0600, Stéphane Goujet stephane.gou...@wanadoo.fr wrote: Simple questions from end-users are barely answered while questions from developpers/people with experience are generaly answered and generate rather long threads. This is simply not true AFAICT. I've been around for years and my questions were not always answered immediately or on a first try. And I've seen newbies whose questions generated very long answers/threads. If you don't get an immediate/timely answer, politely post a second or even third time if necessary. As I said earlier, there are no privileged users on this list. Key: politeness and persistence :-) Best wishes Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid, Editor-in-Chief International Journal of Shi`i Studies Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Change whitespace before item?
Like I said, I tried margin and it does NOT work. Margin has no effect on sub-lists. \startitemize[n] \item top level \startitemize[a,margin=5cm] \item sub item 1 \item sub item 2 \stopitemize \stopitemize margin does NOT affect the sublist at all. Oh I apologize for the rant. (At least it got your attention!) However, I was just stating the obvious: a plethora of other options (scribus, latex, etc) combined with poor docs and a lack of help, will just send new users packing. Eventually, you'll just be left with veteran users. It happens all the time with open source projects... I'm really trying to make this work for me though :) On Tuesday 11 August 2009 12:42:35 Wolfgang Schuster wrote: Am 11.08.2009 um 17:41 schrieb U Avalos: Say I want to change the whitespace before an item in an enumeration. The diagram below: |.(a) Item 2 |.(b) item 2 Say I want to change the whitespace (represented by the dots) in a list? How can I do that? Tried various settings: changing margin, adding hskip, but nothing seems to do the trick. There doesn't seem to be anything in the docs... \showframe \starttext \startitemize[a][stopper=,left=(,right=),margin=2cm] \item Item 1 \item Item 2 \stopitemize \stoptext How can I get a question answered on this list, BTW? It seems that no one either knows anything or are too busy for simple questions. FYI, devs, this language is going to die if you don't get more users You're really impolite for someone who wants help from others. BTW: Your question was already questioned and answered in the past, it would have been easy for you to get the answer when you tried to search in the mail archive. Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___ ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Change whitespace before item?
No, actually. The documentation says to use margins but that command does not seem to work for sub-lists. Unless my notation is wrong, it would seem that the margin values for a sub-list are hardcoded. For example, the following code does NOT work for me: \startitemize[n] \item top level \startitemize[a][margin=5cm] \item sub item 1 \item sub item 2 \stopitemize \stopitemize Margin has no effect on the sublist... On Tuesday 11 August 2009 12:57:40 Derek CORDEIRO wrote: On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 9:11 PM, U Avalos amscopub-m...@yahoo.com wrote: Say I want to change the whitespace before an item in an enumeration. The diagram below: |.(a) Item 2 |.(b) item 2 Say I want to change the whitespace (represented by the dots) in a list? How can I do that? Tried various settings: changing margin, adding hskip, but nothing seems to do the trick. There doesn't seem to be anything in the docs... Isn't it well documented in the wiki? http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Enumerations How can I get a question answered on this list, BTW? It seems that no one either knows anything or are too busy for simple questions. FYI, devs, this language is going to die if you don't get more users Now who would guess that you would get replies by being rude? But it sounds like you are doing the devs a favor by using ConTeXt. I think it has been around long enough to not worry about its death. This is one of the best lists I've subscribed to. Regards, Derek ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Change whitespace before item?
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:13:02 -0600, Stéphane Goujet stephane.gou...@wanadoo.fr wrote: I have tried posting questions once or twice and I never got a single answer. The result is that, now, I do not post them here any more. Just try again and don't take it personally. That's what I've done for years. As a last resort, write Hans, Taco or whoever is most relevant to your question directly and say, I've posted this to the list a couple of times and have not goten an answer yet. Could you take a look? Key: politeness and persistence :-) The developers are very busy, well, developing. Be patient with them. The flow of development/high level messages (that I do not understand) is important, too important for me to see and possibly try to answer most end-users questions. Perhaps it would be time to split this mailing-list in 2 parts, one really for users and the other for developpers, beta testers, package programmers, etc. That has already been done ;-) But understand that ConTeXt is a HUGE system, and hardly anyone understands it all. Of course, the drawback of doing this is that the gurus will not be interested in following the users' list and will be kept busy with other lists, so they will not be present to enlighten beginners. In my experience this is simply not the case. One could create at least one book out of, say, Wolfgang's answers to newbies and users in general [actually, that might not be such a bad idea]. Best wishes Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid, Editor-in-Chief International Journal of Shi`i Studies Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Change whitespace before item?
You're right I should know better On Tuesday 11 August 2009 14:32:32 Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد wrote: On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:13:02 -0600, Stéphane Goujet stephane.gou...@wanadoo.fr wrote: I have tried posting questions once or twice and I never got a single answer. The result is that, now, I do not post them here any more. Just try again and don't take it personally. That's what I've done for years. As a last resort, write Hans, Taco or whoever is most relevant to your question directly and say, I've posted this to the list a couple of times and have not goten an answer yet. Could you take a look? Key: politeness and persistence :-) The developers are very busy, well, developing. Be patient with them. The flow of development/high level messages (that I do not understand) is important, too important for me to see and possibly try to answer most end-users questions. Perhaps it would be time to split this mailing-list in 2 parts, one really for users and the other for developpers, beta testers, package programmers, etc. That has already been done ;-) But understand that ConTeXt is a HUGE system, and hardly anyone understands it all. Of course, the drawback of doing this is that the gurus will not be interested in following the users' list and will be kept busy with other lists, so they will not be present to enlighten beginners. In my experience this is simply not the case. One could create at least one book out of, say, Wolfgang's answers to newbies and users in general [actually, that might not be such a bad idea]. Best wishes Idris ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Change whitespace before item?
Am 11.08.2009 um 20:29 schrieb U Avalos: Like I said, I tried margin and it does NOT work. Margin has no effect on sub-lists. You *never* wrote anything about sublevels before, who do you expect we should know what do you mean without enough information? The value for 'margin' as added to the left margin for each level, sub levels are controlled with the 'width' parameter. You can then align the number/symbol/... with 'itemalign' or with 'left=hskipdimen'. \showframe \starttext \startitemize[n] \item Item 1 \item Item 2 \startitemize[a][left=\hskip1cm,width=2cm] \item Item 1 \item Item 2 \stopitemize \stopitemize \stoptext Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Change whitespace before item?
Am 11.08.2009 um 19:13 schrieb Stéphane Goujet: Perhaps it would be time to split this mailing-list in 2 parts, one really for users and the other for developpers, beta testers, package programmers, etc. We already have two different lists: http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ConTeXt_Mailing_Lists#Mailing_lists Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] Change whitespace before item?
On Aug 11, 2009, at 8:48 PM, U Avalos wrote:
You're right I should know better
OK, since you're a brave man and can admit a mistake: here's an answer
to your original question. I'm not sure if it's the best way to do
this, but it allows you to finetune the whitespace and the distance
after the itemization symbols:
\starttext
\startitemize[n]
\item top level
\startitemize[A,intext][left={\hskip2em},width=4em]
\item sub item 1
\item sub item 2
\stopitemize
\stopitemize
\stoptext
Thomas
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Re: [NTG-context] Change whitespace before item?
It works! That also was Wolfgang's solution ... however, the intext was not
necessary. Funny thing is I could have sworn I tried left=\hskip before...
Thanx
On Tuesday 11 August 2009 14:55:44 Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
On Aug 11, 2009, at 8:48 PM, U Avalos wrote:
You're right I should know better
OK, since you're a brave man and can admit a mistake: here's an answer
to your original question. I'm not sure if it's the best way to do
this, but it allows you to finetune the whitespace and the distance
after the itemization symbols:
\starttext
\startitemize[n]
\item top level
\startitemize[A,intext][left={\hskip2em},width=4em]
\item sub item 1
\item sub item 2
\stopitemize
\stopitemize
\stoptext
Thomas
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