I have also recieved an
audubon award for a bird picture I took. What group am I in? Am i parasite? Am
i a birdwatcher? I am just a fan of birds
Kyle Bardwell
From: Tom Kerr
To: NYSBirds
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk reaction to 2 guys that jus
rs.
>
>
> Will Raup
> Albany, NY
>
>
> --------------
> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk reaction to 2 guys that just didn't
> get it
> From: jacobdruc...@msn.com
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 -0500
> CC: gregoryfis...@sprintmail.com; peterbilt.
I like to watch birds. I also like to photograph them. I shoot with an 800mm
lens and quite often a 1.4x or 2x teleconverter. Would I like to be closer? Yes
of course. But my mommy taught me manners and I know how to behave myself.
I saw a Snowy Owl this year for the first time in my life, and
.
Will Raup
Albany, NY
--
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk reaction to 2 guys that just didn't
get it
From: jacobdruc...@msn.com
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 -0500
CC: gregoryfis...@sprintmail.com; peterbilt.bir...@yahoo.com;
nysbirds-l@cornell.edu
, but the birding community has its share of
deatheaters.
Will Raup
Albany, NY
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk reaction to 2 guys that just didn't get it
From: jacobdruc...@msn.com
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 -0500
CC: gregoryfis...@sprintmail.com; peterbilt.bir...@yahoo.com;
nysbirds-l
I like to watch birds. I also like to photograph them. I shoot with an 800mm
lens and quite often a 1.4x or 2x teleconverter. Would I like to be closer? Yes
of course. But my mommy taught me manners and I know how to behave myself.
I saw a Snowy Owl this year for the first time in my life, and
Photographers are clearly muggles, but the birding community has its share of
deatheaters.
Will Raup
Albany, NY
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk reaction to 2 guys that just didn't get it
From: jacobdruc...@msn.com
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 -0500
CC: gregoryfis...@sprintmail.com
All of us should follow sensible rules that serve the welfare of the
wildlife we care about, {and the rules of this list serve are that
you provide your name with your post.}
I know that the vast majority of photographers are not behaving
poorly, but it only
-Original Message-----
>>> From: Dan
>>> Sent: Feb 6, 2012 3:35 PM
>>> To: Gregory Fisher
>>> Cc: "" , NY BIRDS Cornell
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk reaction to 2 guys that just didn't get
>>> it
>>&
-Original Message-
>> From: Dan
>> Sent: Feb 6, 2012 3:35 PM
>> To: Gregory Fisher
>> Cc: "" , NY BIRDS Cornell
>>
>> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk reaction to 2 guys that just didn't get
>> it
>>
>>
Careful. This post makes me uneasy. It smacks of vigilante justice.
Moderation in all things.
Bob Lewis
Sleepy Hollow NY
--- On Mon, 2/6/12, Dan wrote:
> From: Dan
> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk reaction to 2 guys that just didn't get it
> To: "Gregory Fisher&qu
12 7:14 AM
To: _nysbirds-l@cornell.edu_ (mailto:nysbirds-l@cornell.edu) ; Gregory
Fisher
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk reaction to 2 guys that just didn't
get it
To jump into the fray here: I have personally witnessed more than just
two people harassing snowy owls, in fa
they resist and blow you off
then communicate to others. Everyone deserves a fair shake.
Greg
-Original Message-
>From: Dan
>Sent: Feb 6, 2012 3:35 PM
>To: Gregory Fisher
>Cc: "" , NY BIRDS Cornell
>
>Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk reaction to 2 guys that
Let's all take photos of photographers that misbehave. Be SURE to post them to
the appropriate listserve. If you see that photographer enter their vehicle,
try to photograph the make and model and the license plate number too :)
Good birding!
Dan Furbish
peterbilt.bir...@yahoo.com
--
Sent: Feb 6, 2012 1:10 PM
To: gregoryfis...@sprintmail.com
Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk reaction to 2 guys that just didn't get it
Greg I sort of agree with your post, however to just to 1 of your points: Unfortunately kicking someone off the list, while still a good idea, doesn't limit
aphing owls and your serious
> about observing them then spend more time out looking for them and less time
> checking online for other people sightings.
>
>
> Mark Barriger
> Wallingford, CT
>
>
>
>
> From: ll...@lloydspitalnikphotos.com
> To: NYSb
tographing owls and your serious
> about observing them then spend more time out looking for them and less time
> checking online for other people sightings.
>
>
> Mark Barriger
> Wallingford, CT
>
>
>
>
> From: ll...@lloydspitalnikphotos.com
> To: NYSb
th Cindy's summation.
> The birding community as a whole should not turn into insular cliques that
> make it easy
> not to report when you know you will hear about the bird anyway.
> Do we want this board to only report Herring Gull's except of course when
> a Ross' Gull shows u
From: ll...@lloydspitalnikphotos.com
To: NYSbirds-l@cornell.edu
CC: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu
Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk reaction to 2 guys that just didn't get it
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 10:38:29 -0500
Hi all,
I was going to stay out of this thread because it’s an impossible si
> That would need to be kept secret.
>
> Good birding,
>
> David Speiser
> www.lilibirds.com
>
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 06:14:22 -0800
> From: catbird...@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk reaction to 2 guys that just didn't get it
> To: nysbirds-l@co
y to situations as they arise. No knee-jerk
> reactions. That is the middle path.
>
> Bob Lewis
> Sleepy Hollow NY
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On *Mon, 2/6/12, Cindy * wrote:
>
>
> From: Cindy
> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk reaction to 2 guys that just didn
ut rarities.
>
> Respond appropriately to situations as they arise. No knee-jerk reactions.
> That is the middle path.
>
> Bob Lewis
> Sleepy Hollow NY
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On Mon, 2/6/12, Cindy wrote:
>
> From: Cindy
> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk re
Go find a rare bird.
Sent from my iPhone4
Please, always leave a message, I screen every call. Thx.
On Feb 6, 2012, at 9:14 AM, Cindy wrote:
> To echo Janet's post and in response to Stella's - I too have seen
> photographers being insensitive to snowy owls, on other ocassions. I remember
>
ropriately to situations as they arise. No knee-jerk reactions.
That is the middle path.
Bob Lewis
Sleepy Hollow NY
--- On Mon, 2/6/12, Cindy wrote:
From: Cindy
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk reaction to 2 guys that just didn't get it
To: "NYS Birds"
Date: Monday, Febru
Birds
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk reaction to 2 guys that just didn't get it
To echo Janet's post and in response to Stella's - I too have seen photographers being insensitive to snowy owls, on other ocassions. I remember one time there was a fantastic photo op for one particular owl at Jones
On Behalf Of Sam Stuart
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 10:19 AM
To: david speiser
Cc: NYS Birds
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk reaction to 2 guys that just didn't get
it
All,
We are responsible for the sightings we make and the people we share those
with. It is important to balanc
o only report Herring Gull's except of course when
> a Ross' Gull shows up!
> That would need to be kept secret.
>
> Good birding,
>
> David Speiser
> www.lilibirds.com
>
> --
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 06:14:22 -0800
> From: catbird...@yahoo.c
!
That would need to be kept secret.
Good birding,
David Speiser
www.lilibirds.com
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 06:14:22 -0800
From: catbird...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk reaction to 2 guys that just didn't get it
To: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu
To echo Janet's post and in response to Stella's
Well put Cindy!
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 6, 2012, at 9:14 AM, Cindy wrote:
> To echo Janet's post and in response to Stella's - I too have seen
> photographers being insensitive to snowy owls, on other ocassions. I remember
> one time there was a fantastic photo op for one particular owl
DATE:
2/6/12 9:34 AM [ Full Screen ] [ SIZE: 2.242KB ]
FROM: fal...@kidwings.com
TO:catbird...@yahoo.com
SUBJECT:Re: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk reaction to 2 guys that just didn't
get it
Hello All,
This is a very interesting discussion, and I enjoy reading
To echo Janet's post and in response to Stella's - I too have seen
photographers being insensitive to snowy owls, on other ocassions. I remember
one time there was a fantastic photo op for one particular owl at Jones Beach a
few years ago I even took one of my kids out of school so he could
d to the environment - unless you need to, please don't print this
> e-mail
>
> From: bounce-39535655-3714...@list.cornell.edu
> [mailto:bounce-39535655-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Stella Miller
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 7:14 AM
> To: nysbirds-l@cornell.e
35655-3714...@list.cornell.edu
[mailto:bounce-39535655-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Stella Miller
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 7:14 AM
To: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu; Gregory Fisher
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk reaction to 2 guys that just didn't
get it
To jump into the fray here
The usual line is that it is just "two bad apples". Since I spend a
fair amount of my birding time photographing, I've seen a lot of
photographers. The number of bad apples is more in the range twenty
to forty. (Think: in the course of one day two of us we documented 3
of them - how many more
ell.edu
[mailto:bounce-39535655-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Stella Miller
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 7:14 AM
To: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu; Gregory Fisher
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk reaction to 2 guys that just didn't get
it
To jump into the fray here: I have personal
To jump into the fray here: I have personally witnessed more than just two
people harassing snowy owls, in fact, I have observed, on several occasions, up
to four or five photographers at a time deliberately flushing the bird,
approaching it too closely, causing the bird to have to continually
To jump into the fray here: I have personally witnessed more than just two
people harassing snowy owls, in fact, I have observed, on several occasions, up
to four or five photographers at a time deliberately flushing the bird,
approaching it too closely, causing the bird to have to continually
-39535655-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Stella Miller
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 7:14 AM
To: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu; Gregory Fisher
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk reaction to 2 guys that just didn't get
it
To jump into the fray here: I have personally witnessed more than just two
The usual line is that it is just two bad apples. Since I spend a
fair amount of my birding time photographing, I've seen a lot of
photographers. The number of bad apples is more in the range twenty
to forty. (Think: in the course of one day two of us we documented 3
of them - how many more
-39535655-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Stella Miller
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 7:14 AM
To: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu; Gregory Fisher
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk reaction to 2 guys that just didn't
get it
To jump into the fray here: I have personally witnessed more than
-39535655-3714...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Stella Miller
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 7:14 AM
To: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu; Gregory Fisher
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk reaction to 2 guys that just didn't get it
To jump into the fray here: I have personally witnessed more than
To echo Janet's post and in response to Stella's - I too have seen
photographers being insensitive to snowy owls, on other ocassions. I remember
one time there was a fantastic photo op for one particular owl at Jones Beach a
few years ago I even took one of my kids out of school so he could
DATE:
2/6/12 9:34 AM [ Full Screen ] [ SIZE: 2.242KB ]
FROM: fal...@kidwings.com
TO:catbird...@yahoo.com
SUBJECT:Re: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk reaction to 2 guys that just didn't
get it
Hello All,
This is a very interesting discussion, and I enjoy reading
Well put Cindy!
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 6, 2012, at 9:14 AM, Cindy catbird...@yahoo.com wrote:
To echo Janet's post and in response to Stella's - I too have seen
photographers being insensitive to snowy owls, on other ocassions. I remember
one time there was a fantastic photo op for one
!
That would need to be kept secret.
Good birding,
David Speiser
www.lilibirds.com
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 06:14:22 -0800
From: catbird...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk reaction to 2 guys that just didn't get it
To: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu
To echo Janet's post and in response to Stella's
report Herring Gull's except of course when
a Ross' Gull shows up!
That would need to be kept secret.
Good birding,
David Speiser
www.lilibirds.com
--
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 06:14:22 -0800
From: catbird...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk reaction
Of Sam Stuart
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 10:19 AM
To: david speiser
Cc: NYS Birds
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk reaction to 2 guys that just didn't get
it
All,
We are responsible for the sightings we make and the people we share those
with. It is important to balance the need
o: NYS Birds <nysbirds-l@cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk reaction to 2 guys that just didn't get it
To echo Janet's post and in response to Stella's - I too have seen photographers being insensitive to snowy owls, on other ocassions. I remember one time there was a fantas
to situations as they arise. No knee-jerk reactions.
That is the middle path.
Bob Lewis
Sleepy Hollow NY
--- On Mon, 2/6/12, Cindy catbird...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: Cindy catbird...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk reaction to 2 guys that just didn't get it
To: NYS Birds nysbirds-l
Go find a rare bird.
Sent from my iPhone4
Please, always leave a message, I screen every call. Thx.
On Feb 6, 2012, at 9:14 AM, Cindy catbird...@yahoo.com wrote:
To echo Janet's post and in response to Stella's - I too have seen
photographers being insensitive to snowy owls, on other
as they arise. No knee-jerk reactions.
That is the middle path.
Bob Lewis
Sleepy Hollow NY
--- On Mon, 2/6/12, Cindy catbird...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: Cindy catbird...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk reaction to 2 guys that just didn't get it
To: NYS Birds nysbirds-l
/12, Cindy catbird...@yahoo.com* wrote:
From: Cindy catbird...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk reaction to 2 guys that just didn't
get it
To: NYS Birds nysbirds-l@cornell.edu
Date: Monday, February 6, 2012, 9:14 AM
I disagree, however, that owls should not be mentioned
secret.
Good birding,
David Speiser
www.lilibirds.com
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 06:14:22 -0800
From: catbird...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk reaction to 2 guys that just didn't get it
To: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu
To echo Janet's post and in response to Stella's - I too have
: ll...@lloydspitalnikphotos.com
To: NYSbirds-l@cornell.edu
CC: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu
Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk reaction to 2 guys that just didn't get it
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 10:38:29 -0500
Hi all,
I was going to stay out of this thread because it’s an impossible situation. I
and less
time checking online for other people sightings.
*Mark Barriger
Wallingford, CT*
--
From: ll...@lloydspitalnikphotos.com
To: NYSbirds-l@cornell.edu
CC: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu
Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk reaction to 2 guys that just didn't
get
...@lloydspitalnikphotos.com
To: NYSbirds-l@cornell.edu
CC: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu
Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk reaction to 2 guys that just didn't get it
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 10:38:29 -0500
Hi all,
I was going to stay out of this thread because it’s an impossible situation.
I come from 3 directions
...@lloydspitalnikphotos.com
To: NYSbirds-l@cornell.edu
CC: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu
Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk reaction to 2 guys that just didn't get it
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 10:38:29 -0500
Hi all,
I was going to stay out of this thread because it’s an impossible situation.
I come from 3 directions
<davehawk...@msn.com>
Sent: Feb 6, 2012 1:10 PM
To: gregoryfis...@sprintmail.com
Subject: RE: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk reaction to 2 guys that just didn't get it
GregI sort of agree with your post, however to just to 1 of your points:Unfortunately kicking someone off the list, while still a goo
NYSBirds-l@Cornell.edu
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk reaction to 2 guys that just didn't get it
Let's all take photos of photographers that misbehave. Be SURE to post them to
the appropriate listserve. If you see that photographer enter their vehicle,
try to photograph the make and model
To: _nysbirds-l@cornell.edu_ (mailto:nysbirds-l@cornell.edu) ; Gregory
Fisher
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk reaction to 2 guys that just didn't
get it
To jump into the fray here: I have personally witnessed more than just
two people harassing snowy owls, in fact, I have observed
Careful. This post makes me uneasy. It smacks of vigilante justice.
Moderation in all things.
Bob Lewis
Sleepy Hollow NY
--- On Mon, 2/6/12, Dan peterbilt.bir...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: Dan peterbilt.bir...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk reaction to 2 guys that just didn't
: Feb 6, 2012 3:35 PM
To: Gregory Fisher gregoryfis...@sprintmail.com
Cc: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu nysbirds-l@cornell.edu, NY BIRDS Cornell
NYSBirds-l@Cornell.edu
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk reaction to 2 guys that just didn't get
it
Let's all take photos of photographers
@Cornell.edu
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk reaction to 2 guys that just didn't get
it
Let's all take photos of photographers that misbehave. Be SURE to post them
to the appropriate listserve. If you see that photographer enter their
vehicle, try to photograph the make and model
All of us should follow sensible rules that serve the welfare of the
wildlife we care about, {and the rules of this list serve are that
you provide your name with your post.}
I know that the vast majority of photographers are not behaving
poorly, but it only
Photographers are clearly muggles, but the birding community has its share of
deatheaters.
Will Raup
Albany, NY
Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk reaction to 2 guys that just didn't get it
From: jacobdruc...@msn.com
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 -0500
CC: gregoryfis...@sprintmail.com
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