Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question

2021-06-09 Thread Joseph Wallace
Quick update: It seems like swallow "feather play" has been recorded in Barn Swallows but documented much more heavily in Tree Swallows. With a little more research, I found a first-hand report (on The Birding Project's blog) of very similar behavior to Trees in the closely related Violet-green

Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question

2021-06-09 Thread Joseph Wallace
Quick update: It seems like swallow "feather play" has been recorded in Barn Swallows but documented much more heavily in Tree Swallows. With a little more research, I found a first-hand report (on The Birding Project's blog) of very similar behavior to Trees in the closely related Violet-green

Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question

2021-06-09 Thread Judith Thurber
That’s a pretty wonderful recollection —- glad you had such glorious experience! Judy Thurber Liverpool Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 9, 2021, at 7:05 AM, Meena Madhav Haribal wrote: > > Hi all, > > Barn Swallows are fascinating creatures. Recently, I was on dirt road, in a > rural

Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question

2021-06-09 Thread Judith Thurber
That’s a pretty wonderful recollection —- glad you had such glorious experience! Judy Thurber Liverpool Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 9, 2021, at 7:05 AM, Meena Madhav Haribal wrote: > > Hi all, > > Barn Swallows are fascinating creatures. Recently, I was on dirt road, in a > rural

Re:[nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question

2021-06-09 Thread Meena Madhav Haribal
Hi all, Barn Swallows are fascinating creatures. Recently, I was on dirt road, in a rural area of Grand Forks ND, cruising slowly to look for grassland birds. And I parked at one wet location to record some birds. All of sudden I found four or five Barn Swallows flying around the car and

Re:[nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question

2021-06-09 Thread Meena Madhav Haribal
Hi all, Barn Swallows are fascinating creatures. Recently, I was on dirt road, in a rural area of Grand Forks ND, cruising slowly to look for grassland birds. And I parked at one wet location to record some birds. All of sudden I found four or five Barn Swallows flying around the car and

Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question

2021-06-08 Thread Orhan Birol
on. But far and away, body feathers of barnyard fowl >> are the most common Tree Swallow nest lining material in these counties. >> >> Bob Yunick >> Schenectady >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Robert Paxton >> To: Joseph Wallace >>

Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question

2021-06-08 Thread Orhan Birol
on. But far and away, body feathers of barnyard fowl >> are the most common Tree Swallow nest lining material in these counties. >> >> Bob Yunick >> Schenectady >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Robert Paxton >> To: Joseph Wallace >>

Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question

2021-06-08 Thread Joseph Wallace
also show up in these > nests on rare occasion. But far and away, body feathers of barnyard fowl > are the most common Tree Swallow nest lining material in these counties. > > Bob Yunick > Schenectady > > > -Original Message- > From: Robert Paxton > To: Jos

Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question

2021-06-08 Thread Joseph Wallace
also show up in these > nests on rare occasion. But far and away, body feathers of barnyard fowl > are the most common Tree Swallow nest lining material in these counties. > > Bob Yunick > Schenectady > > > -Original Message- > From: Robert Paxton > To: Jos

Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question

2021-06-08 Thread anneboby
YunickSchenectady -Original Message- From: Robert Paxton To: Joseph Wallace Cc: NYSBIRDS Sent: Mon, Jun 7, 2021 8:35 am Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question Another element to the white feather game. Swallows (especially tree swallows, but perhaps barns too) habitually decorate

Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question

2021-06-08 Thread anneboby
YunickSchenectady -Original Message- From: Robert Paxton To: Joseph Wallace Cc: NYSBIRDS Sent: Mon, Jun 7, 2021 8:35 am Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question Another element to the white feather game. Swallows (especially tree swallows, but perhaps barns too) habitually decorate

Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question

2021-06-08 Thread Jane Ross
-3714...@list.cornell.edu on behalf of Bruce Horwith Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 6:17 AM To: Deborah Shapiro Cc: Joseph Wallace ; nysbirds-l Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question And Carl Safina's Beyond Words: What Animals Think and Feel explores this dimension for the wider animal

Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question

2021-06-08 Thread Jane Ross
-3714...@list.cornell.edu on behalf of Bruce Horwith Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 6:17 AM To: Deborah Shapiro Cc: Joseph Wallace ; nysbirds-l Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question And Carl Safina's Beyond Words: What Animals Think and Feel explores this dimension for the wider animal

Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question

2021-06-08 Thread Orhan Birol
About a dozen winters ago, when we had heavy accumulation of snow, I observed three American Crows ski down from the top of a 20ft Blue Spruce, fly back up and ski down. But the most unusual observation of playful or insane behavior was of a female Baltimore Oriole's on the Hummingbird feeder. I

Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question

2021-06-08 Thread Orhan Birol
About a dozen winters ago, when we had heavy accumulation of snow, I observed three American Crows ski down from the top of a 20ft Blue Spruce, fly back up and ski down. But the most unusual observation of playful or insane behavior was of a female Baltimore Oriole's on the Hummingbird feeder. I

Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question

2021-06-08 Thread Bob Grover
ct: Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question And Carl Safina's Beyond Words: What Animals Think and Feel explores this dimension for the wider animal kingdom. Bruce Horwith 16 Salt Marsh Path East Hampton, NY 11937 (631) 599-0040 cell phone On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 10:01 PM Deborah Shapiro mailt

Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question

2021-06-08 Thread Bob Grover
ct: Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question And Carl Safina's Beyond Words: What Animals Think and Feel explores this dimension for the wider animal kingdom. Bruce Horwith 16 Salt Marsh Path East Hampton, NY 11937 (631) 599-0040 cell phone On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 10:01 PM Deborah Shapiro mailt

Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question

2021-06-08 Thread Bruce Horwith
And Carl Safina's Beyond Words: What Animals Think and Feel explores this dimension for the wider animal kingdom. *Bruce Horwith* *16 Salt Marsh Path* *East Hampton, NY 11937* *(631) 599-0040 cell phone* On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 10:01 PM Deborah Shapiro wrote: > We underestimate the mental

Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question

2021-06-08 Thread Bruce Horwith
And Carl Safina's Beyond Words: What Animals Think and Feel explores this dimension for the wider animal kingdom. *Bruce Horwith* *16 Salt Marsh Path* *East Hampton, NY 11937* *(631) 599-0040 cell phone* On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 10:01 PM Deborah Shapiro wrote: > We underestimate the mental

Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question

2021-06-07 Thread Deborah Shapiro
We underestimate the mental capacity of birds. While I don’t recall that she discusses playful behavior, Jennifer Ackerman’s book The Genius of Birds gives many examples of bird cognition that are fascinated and unexpected. Great discussion. Deborah > On Jun 7, 2021, at 9:46 PM, Joseph

Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question

2021-06-07 Thread Deborah Shapiro
We underestimate the mental capacity of birds. While I don’t recall that she discusses playful behavior, Jennifer Ackerman’s book The Genius of Birds gives many examples of bird cognition that are fascinated and unexpected. Great discussion. Deborah > On Jun 7, 2021, at 9:46 PM, Joseph

Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question

2021-06-07 Thread Joseph Wallace
Thanks, everyone for the ongoing conversation. This is all so fascinating. Corvids and parrots have been known as game-players (and tricksters) for a long time, and it doesn't surprise me that gulls, already adept at a creative kind of tool-using (stationery rocks to drop clams on), might also

Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question

2021-06-07 Thread Joseph Wallace
Thanks, everyone for the ongoing conversation. This is all so fascinating. Corvids and parrots have been known as game-players (and tricksters) for a long time, and it doesn't surprise me that gulls, already adept at a creative kind of tool-using (stationery rocks to drop clams on), might also

RE: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question

2021-06-07 Thread rcech
To: Joseph Wallace ; NYSbirds-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question I've watched a pair of Ravens engage in "the stick game" - one drops a stick or pine cone in flight, the other catches it then gains elevation and drops it to their partner, accompani

RE: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question

2021-06-07 Thread rcech
To: Joseph Wallace ; NYSbirds-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question I've watched a pair of Ravens engage in "the stick game" - one drops a stick or pine cone in flight, the other catches it then gains elevation and drops it to their partner, accompani

Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question

2021-06-07 Thread Nancy Jane Kern
I have seen this Raven activity too. Nancy From: bounce-125691097-44613...@list.cornell.edu on behalf of Naomi Lloyd Sent: Monday, June 7, 2021 4:25 PM To: Joseph Wallace ; NYSbirds-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question I've

Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question

2021-06-07 Thread Nancy Jane Kern
I have seen this Raven activity too. Nancy From: bounce-125691097-44613...@list.cornell.edu on behalf of Naomi Lloyd Sent: Monday, June 7, 2021 4:25 PM To: Joseph Wallace ; NYSbirds-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question I've

Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question

2021-06-07 Thread Naomi Lloyd
I've watched a pair of Ravens engage in "the stick game" - one drops a stick or pine cone in flight, the other catches it then gains elevation and drops it to their partner, accompanied by lots of vocalizations. Probably has pair-bonding aspects but it sure looks like they enjoy it. Naomi

Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question

2021-06-07 Thread Naomi Lloyd
I've watched a pair of Ravens engage in "the stick game" - one drops a stick or pine cone in flight, the other catches it then gains elevation and drops it to their partner, accompanied by lots of vocalizations. Probably has pair-bonding aspects but it sure looks like they enjoy it. Naomi

Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question

2021-06-07 Thread Jennifer Wilson-Pines
t; > > -- > *From:* bounce-125688380-83014...@list.cornell.edu < > bounce-125688380-83014...@list.cornell.edu> on behalf of Joseph Wallace < > joew...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Sunday, June 6, 2021 12:07 PM > *To:* Shane Blodgett > *Cc:* Brendan

Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question

2021-06-07 Thread Jennifer Wilson-Pines
t; > > -- > *From:* bounce-125688380-83014...@list.cornell.edu < > bounce-125688380-83014...@list.cornell.edu> on behalf of Joseph Wallace < > joew...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Sunday, June 6, 2021 12:07 PM > *To:* Shane Blodgett > *Cc:* Brendan

Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question

2021-06-07 Thread Richard Guthrie
ony Brook, NY 11790 >> P: (631) 444-0310 | P: (631) 924-3156 | adriana.cappe...@dec.ny.gov >> www.dec.ny.gov | | | >> >> >> >> >> From: bounce-125688380-83014...@list.cornell.edu >> on behalf of Joseph Wallace >> >> Sent:

Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question

2021-06-07 Thread Richard Guthrie
ony Brook, NY 11790 >> P: (631) 444-0310 | P: (631) 924-3156 | adriana.cappe...@dec.ny.gov >> www.dec.ny.gov | | | >> >> >> >> >> From: bounce-125688380-83014...@list.cornell.edu >> on behalf of Joseph Wallace >> >> Sent:

Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question

2021-06-07 Thread Peter Post
1) 924-3156 | adriana.cappe...@dec.ny.gov > www.dec.ny.gov | | | > > > > > From: bounce-125688380-83014...@list.cornell.edu > on behalf of Joseph Wallace > > Sent: Sunday, June 6, 2021 12:07 PM > To: Shane Blodgett > Cc: Brendan Fogarty ; Ardith Bondi ;

Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question

2021-06-07 Thread Peter Post
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question

2021-06-07 Thread Robert Paxton
Another element to the white feather game. Swallows (especially tree swallows, but perhaps barns too) habitually decorate their nests with white feathers. Bob Paxton On Sat, Jun 5, 2021 at 10:04 PM Joseph Wallace wrote: > This is more about bird behavior than rarity, so apologies if it's

Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question

2021-06-07 Thread Robert Paxton
Another element to the white feather game. Swallows (especially tree swallows, but perhaps barns too) habitually decorate their nests with white feathers. Bob Paxton On Sat, Jun 5, 2021 at 10:04 PM Joseph Wallace wrote: > This is more about bird behavior than rarity, so apologies if it's

Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question

2021-06-07 Thread Cappello, Adriana R (DEC)
_ From: bounce-125688380-83014...@list.cornell.edu on behalf of Joseph Wallace Sent: Sunday, June 6, 2021 12:07 PM To: Shane Blodgett Cc: Brendan Fogarty ; Ardith Bondi ; nysbirds-l@cornell.edu Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question ATTENTION: This email ca

Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question

2021-06-07 Thread Cappello, Adriana R (DEC)
_ From: bounce-125688380-83014...@list.cornell.edu on behalf of Joseph Wallace Sent: Sunday, June 6, 2021 12:07 PM To: Shane Blodgett Cc: Brendan Fogarty ; Ardith Bondi ; nysbirds-l@cornell.edu Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question ATTENTION: This email ca

Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question

2021-06-06 Thread Joseph Wallace
Thanks, Shane. I guess that's long been debated (e.g., do cats play?), since almost all forms of play also have a "practice" aspect. I was telling my swallow story to a friend in the D.C. area, and he described a pair of foxes who had a den near his backyard. The kits would come out in the early

Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question

2021-06-06 Thread Joseph Wallace
Thanks, Shane. I guess that's long been debated (e.g., do cats play?), since almost all forms of play also have a "practice" aspect. I was telling my swallow story to a friend in the D.C. area, and he described a pair of foxes who had a den near his backyard. The kits would come out in the early

Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question

2021-06-06 Thread Shane Blodgett
For birds that catch prey on the wing I wonder if this behavior is just for “fun“ or could also be seen as “practice.” Regards, Shane Blodgett Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 6, 2021, at 10:53 AM, Joseph Wallace wrote: > >  > Thank you all for your replies (here and directly to me) and the

Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question

2021-06-06 Thread Shane Blodgett
For birds that catch prey on the wing I wonder if this behavior is just for “fun“ or could also be seen as “practice.” Regards, Shane Blodgett Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 6, 2021, at 10:53 AM, Joseph Wallace wrote: > >  > Thank you all for your replies (here and directly to me) and the

Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question

2021-06-06 Thread Joseph Wallace
Thank you all for your replies (here and directly to me) and the references. I love that feather-play is a "swallow thing." The one I watched varied its game, swooping in from all angles and approaches. Twice it flew almost straight upwards until it was perhaps fifty feet off the ground before

Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question

2021-06-06 Thread Joseph Wallace
Thank you all for your replies (here and directly to me) and the references. I love that feather-play is a "swallow thing." The one I watched varied its game, swooping in from all angles and approaches. Twice it flew almost straight upwards until it was perhaps fifty feet off the ground before

Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question

2021-06-06 Thread Andrew Mason
I have observed Tree Swallows in this behavior before, in fact I have participated!  Tossing a feather, particularly  a white feather, into the air in the vicinity of these birds will nearly always get their interest and they will often swoop in and snatch it, flying up and dropping it, only to

Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question

2021-06-05 Thread Brendan Fogarty
Joseph and all, This behavior seems familiar, but I cannot say if I have seen it before in person or in media. It is definitely documented; below is an excerpt from Birds of the World online. "In Britain, 3 juveniles were observed apparently playing with large white feather while in flight,

Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question

2021-06-05 Thread Brendan Fogarty
Joseph and all, This behavior seems familiar, but I cannot say if I have seen it before in person or in media. It is definitely documented; below is an excerpt from Birds of the World online. "In Britain, 3 juveniles were observed apparently playing with large white feather while in flight,

Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question

2021-06-05 Thread Ardith Bondi
That is very cool! This is not exactly the same, but I was photographing a Tree Swallow at Oceanside Marine Nature Study Area on Long Island last Tuesday with a 500 mm PF lens (think, short and light for a 500mm) on a Nikon D850 with a very loud shutter. I suddenly realized that the swallow was

Re: [nysbirds-l] Barn Swallow question

2021-06-05 Thread Ardith Bondi
That is very cool! This is not exactly the same, but I was photographing a Tree Swallow at Oceanside Marine Nature Study Area on Long Island last Tuesday with a 500 mm PF lens (think, short and light for a 500mm) on a Nikon D850 with a very loud shutter. I suddenly realized that the swallow was