Martin,
On Nov 16, 2011, at 11:51 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
On Nov 16, 2011, at 12:39 PM, Shane Curcuru wrote:
On 2011-11-16 3:26 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
Hi Martin;
--- On Wed, 11/16/11, Martin Hollmichel wrote:
...
On 11/16/11 6:33 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
On 16 November 2011 16:56,
On 17 November 2011 07:07, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote:
That's the tally. What's the result?
Looks like an overall majority for Apache OpenOffice.
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Could you take account of voter turnout for the PPMC?
And take the sampling error into account for the others?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampling_error
If those figures are relatively inadequate, please consider what we can
be for more appropriate ways to get an actual result.
In general,
On 17 November 2011 10:06, tora - Takamichi Akiyama t...@openoffice.orgwrote:
Could you take account of voter turnout for the PPMC?
And take the sampling error into account for the others?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Sampling_errorhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampling_error
If those
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:17 AM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:
Martin,
On Nov 16, 2011, at 11:51 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
On Nov 16, 2011, at 12:39 PM, Shane Curcuru wrote:
On 2011-11-16 3:26 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
Hi Martin;
--- On Wed, 11/16/11, Martin Hollmichel
Hi all,
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Donald Harbison dpharbi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:17 AM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:
Martin,
On Nov 16, 2011, at 11:51 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
On Nov 16, 2011, at 12:39 PM, Shane Curcuru wrote:
On 2011-11-16
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 2:51 AM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:
On Nov 16, 2011, at 12:39 PM, Shane Curcuru wrote:
On 2011-11-16 3:26 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
Hi Martin;
--- On Wed, 11/16/11, Martin Hollmichel wrote:
...
On 11/16/11 6:33 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
On 16 November
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 7:24 AM, Kazunari Hirano khir...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Donald Harbison dpharbi...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:17 AM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net
wrote:
Martin,
On Nov 16, 2011, at 11:51 PM, Dave Fisher
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 2:07 AM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote:
That's the tally. What's the result?
Let's seemajority of PPMC voted for Apache OpenOffice. And
majority of all votes (binding and non-binding) also voted for Apache
OpenOffice.
So we'll make the recommendation
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 7:24 AM, Kazunari Hirano khir...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Donald Harbison dpharbi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:17 AM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:
Martin,
On Nov 16, 2011, at 11:51 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
On 2011-11-17 5:06 AM, tora - Takamichi Akiyama wrote:
Could you take account of voter turnout for the PPMC?
And take the sampling error into account for the others?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampling_error
This is not a poll or sampling of some large population. This is a vote
amongst
On 2011-11-17 7:24 AM, Kazunari Hirano wrote:
...snip...
If we (Apache) use OpenOffice as product name and Apache OpenOffice as
project name, then we can give Team OOo the OpenOffice.org brand and
trademark?
No, the ASF will not do that.
- Shane, VP, Brand Management
Hi Rob and all,
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
I don't think so. Part of protecting a brand is to prevent confusing
similarity., For example, we could not go out and sell soft drinks
under the name Coca-Cola.org or pizza under the name Pizza
Hut.net.
I
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 8:56 AM, Kazunari Hirano khir...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Rob and all,
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
I don't think so. Part of protecting a brand is to prevent confusing
similarity., For example, we could not go out and sell soft
Hi,
Am 17.11.2011 02:23, schrieb Rob Weir:
This topic sounds important, so I'm moving it to its own thread.
OK, let's talk about a maintenance release first; but at some point we
could broaden the scope to releases of Apache OpenOffice too.
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Martin
Hi,
Am 17.11.2011 08:51, schrieb Dave Fisher:
What is difficult for me to understand is that both Stefan Taxhet and Martin
Hollmichel
signed up as Initial Committers to the Apache project, but have never signed an
iCLA.
Martin and I sent signed iCLAs to secretary@
Is there a page where
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Stefan Taxhet stx...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Am 17.11.2011 02:23, schrieb Rob Weir:
This topic sounds important, so I'm moving it to its own thread.
OK, let's talk about a maintenance release first; but at some point we
could broaden the scope to releases of
On Nov 17, 2011, at 4:30 AM, Tim Williams wrote:
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 2:51 AM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:
On Nov 16, 2011, at 12:39 PM, Shane Curcuru wrote:
On 2011-11-16 3:26 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
Hi Martin;
--- On Wed, 11/16/11, Martin Hollmichel wrote:
...
On
Hi Rob and all,
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 11:02 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
And that is fine. A trademark is for a particular category of
product. The Japanese trademark is not for personal productivity
applications. It is possible for the same name to be used in
different
Committed as revision 1203218.
Thank you very much for your contribution!
Pedro.
--- On Wed, 11/16/11, Erwin Chen blue_k...@163.com wrote:
From: Erwin Chen blue_k...@163.com
Subject: [Patch]submit a patch to fix the issue - 115580.
To: ooo-dev ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Date: Wednesday,
Committed as revision 1203215.
--- On Wed, 11/16/11, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote:
Hello;
This one is a little more difficult than the Oxygen set
because the details of the original commit are lost in
CVS and the icons have been able to grow deeper roots.
I tried to verify the
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Stefan Taxhet stx...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Am 17.11.2011 02:23, schrieb Rob Weir:
This topic sounds important, so I'm moving it to its own thread.
OK, let's talk about a maintenance release first; but at some point we could
broaden the scope to releases of
One might note 35 ppmc voted and I believe that is more than 1/2 of the
PPMC
http://sourcefreedom.com
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Wolf Halton wolf.hal...@gmail.com wrote:
One might note 35 ppmc voted and I believe that is more than 1/2 of the
PPMC
Some quick thoughts, not in particular to Wolf's comments, but
something I think we need to remember:
We had a vote because a vote was the
In data 17 novembre 2011 alle ore 16:41:42, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org
ha scritto:
I think we'll have an Apache 3.4 release early in 2012, maybe January
or February.
Is this a broad roadmap or just a thought?
Regards,
Gianluca
--
Lettura gratuita o acquisto di libri e racconti di
On 11/17/11 4:26 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
Committed as revision 1203218.
Thank you very much for your contribution!
i very much appreciate that we accept and integrate everything at the
moment. But should we maybe a little bit more careful? And should we
focus more on our main common goal
I personally can see the value of OOo 3.3.1 as a bug fix release. Maybe it
has some other value, too.
Let's assume it could get the permission of the ASF to be distributed as a
legacy OOo release. What is the specific value proposition for the release?
Bug fixes only or the addition of features
2011/11/17 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com:
On 11/17/11 4:26 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
Committed as revision 1203218.
Thank you very much for your contribution!
i very much appreciate that we accept and integrate everything at the
moment. But should we maybe a little bit more
Am 11/17/2011 05:41 PM, schrieb Rob Weir:
2011/11/17 Jürgen Schmidtjogischm...@googlemail.com:
On 11/17/11 4:26 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
Committed as revision 1203218.
Thank you very much for your contribution!
i very much appreciate that we accept and integrate everything at the
moment.
Louis et al --
I am re-doing a lot of what we've already got on --
http://ooo-site.apache.org
(changes may not yet be reflected because I haven't republished yet. See
staging site at: http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org )
because some of the initial copies weren't complete, so I may actually be
That was not my intention, Rob. I had no idea there was discussion at
http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49t=45224.
All I provided was a notice.
My message was to advise Forum readers, especially the volunteers of the fact
that the [VOTE] was happening here.
I am
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote:
That was not my intention, Rob. I had no idea there was discussion at
http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49t=45224.
All I provided was a notice.
Yes, I understand. That is why I
Both Stefan and Martin have iCLAs on file. Both signed up on the Incubator
Proposal as Initial Committers. Stefan completed the process to be established
as a committer. He is also eligible to be on the PPMC.
Communication and administrative delays, sometimes mine, often arise in the
Hello Pedro, *
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 07:26:08AM -0800, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
Committed as revision 1203218.
Thank you very much for your contribution!
Pedro.
+ //#115580# fixed by JingDongChen from China at 2011/11/16 start
+ //#115580# fixed by JingDongChen from China at
I thought of that also but there is a reason ...
From some past interaction with people from China,
for them it's absolutely important to get full
acknowledgement for their contributions. It seems
like having them may make a difference in their
future employment. It's a different country with
a
Good catch. There is no such address at the moment. Since @*.openoffice.org
lists and e-mail forwardings will cease operation in the near future, some
special action will be needed.
I am taking the liberty of cross-posting this reply to ooo-dev so that it is
noticed among the mitigation
Hi Pedro,
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:31:44AM -0800, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
The good news is that in KDE my patch will replace
them with the Tango icon set :
http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Showroom
which is already used in gnome, and that will
ultimately make Apache OpenOffice
On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 13:07:37 -0500
Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
My point was that these volunteers, by not posting on ooo-dev,
shut themselves out of the debate. They are grumbling about
their votes not counting. I think they should be more
concerned about their views not being heard
Hi,
current source:
Pavel-Janiks-MacBook-Pro:packimages pavel$ build
build -- version: 275224
=
Building module packimages
=
Entering /Users/pavel/BUILD/BuildDir/ooo_trunk_src/packimages/pack
find
I've consolidated and summarized the various bits of guidance we've
received on this list and on legal-discuss, and distill in down into
relevant guidance for this project. We don't need to all be experts
in this, but I think everyone contributing code needs to understand
the basics of what we
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 13:07:37 -0500
Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
My point was that these volunteers, by not posting on ooo-dev,
shut themselves out of the debate. They are grumbling about
their votes not
Hi, Rory,
On 11/17/2011 13:47, Rory O'Farrell wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 13:07:37 -0500
Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org wrote:
My point was that these volunteers, by not posting on ooo-dev,
shut themselves out of the debate. They are grumbling about
their votes not counting. I think they
On Nov 17, 2011, at 11:16 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
I've consolidated and summarized the various bits of guidance we've
received on this list and on legal-discuss, and distill in down into
relevant guidance for this project. We don't need to all be experts
in this, but I think everyone
On 11/17/2011 14:16, Rob Weir wrote:
I've consolidated and summarized the various bits of guidance we've
received on this list and on legal-discuss, and distill in down into
relevant guidance for this project. We don't need to all be experts
in this, but I think everyone contributing code needs
At risk of creating a self-fulfilling prophecy about the length of this thread,
I want to offer a mild disagreement.
Here, there is pontification about a discussion that wasn't even held here.
The interpretations have no ground.
It might be interesting to have the discussion where the
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:
On Nov 17, 2011, at 11:16 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
I've consolidated and summarized the various bits of guidance we've
received on this list and on legal-discuss, and distill in down into
relevant guidance for this project.
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 2:43 PM, TJ Frazier tjfraz...@cfl.rr.com wrote:
On 11/17/2011 14:16, Rob Weir wrote:
I've consolidated and summarized the various bits of guidance we've
received on this list and on legal-discuss, and distill in down into
relevant guidance for this project. We don't
I had thought that category X artifacts needed to accomplish a build would be
excluded from the release but identified as prerequisites for the build. They
would never be distributed in the Apache OpenOffice release. (I am becoming
rapidly accustomed to using that name.)
Some become
Good point, Dave.
I think one important consideration around this Opt-in provisions is also
whether the download is something that is authenticated in some manner or is at
the user's risk. I don't quite know how that gets dealt with. It may be that
some arrangements for acquiring extensions
+1 on not downloading anything without consent.
-Original Message-
From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org]
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 12:11
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Draft IP Review Plan for OpenOffice
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Dave Fisher
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote:
Good point, Dave.
I think one important consideration around this Opt-in provisions is also
whether the download is something that is authenticated in some manner or is
at the user's risk. I don't quite know
On Nov 17, 2011, at 12:46 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote:
Good point, Dave.
I think one important consideration around this Opt-in provisions is also
whether the download is something that is authenticated in some
Ugh.. I have been the last one to touch that and TBH
I don't see where that comes from.
I will revert the last two changes and bring back the
KDE Crystal icons.
Very sorry,
Pedro.
--- On Thu, 11/17/11, Pavel Janík pa...@janik.cz wrote:
From: Pavel Janík pa...@janik.cz
Subject: build stops:
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:
On Nov 17, 2011, at 12:46 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote:
Good point, Dave.
I think one important consideration around this Opt-in provisions is
Hi All,
There are several parts to the migration of openoffice.org website. One area
that needs attention is rewriting contributing.openoffice.org to fit ASF and
AOO policies. (Policies may need to be written and discussed.)
On the current main www.openoffice.org page, contributing is accessed
On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 20:33:30 +
Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
It would help if someone told them they can post here without
subscribing and read responses via the archives (which is more
than can be said for the forums which force one to register,
ironic isn't it?)
The
On 17 November 2011 22:19, Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 20:33:30 +
Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote:
It would help if someone told them they can post here without
subscribing and read responses via the archives (which is more
than can be said for
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:
Hi All,
There are several parts to the migration of openoffice.org website. One area
that needs attention is rewriting contributing.openoffice.org to fit ASF and
AOO policies. (Policies may need to be written and
For the record, if one posts to ooo-dev without subscribing, there is no way to
know that posting succeeded, without looking on the archive. There is also no
way to see replies directly, unless other posters realize that the poster is
not subscribed and provide a direct CC:.
Although
--- On Thu, 11/17/11, Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org wrote:
remove the else and kde will default to OOo's default
(Galaxy).
I would be really afraid of existing users recalling the
icons as too old-stylish. The Tango icons are not really
Gnome specific, they specifically mention
I think Dan's proposal to change to an independent ODFAuthors feedback address
is appropriate.
Meanwhile, where there are copies that can't be modified, it seems desirable
to see if a special arrangement can be made for feedback@
documentation.openoffice.org. I suspect there might be a
HI Dennis,
+1. We'll need to include a feedb...@documentation.openoffice.org in the
migration plan.
Regards,
Dave
On Nov 17, 2011, at 5:42 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
I think Dan's proposal to change to an independent ODFAuthors feedback
address
is appropriate.
Meanwhile, where
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:
HI Dennis,
+1. We'll need to include a feedb...@documentation.openoffice.org in the
migration plan.
Where the did feedb...@documentation.openoffice.org come from?
The documentation lists are here:
On Nov 17, 2011, at 6:54 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:
HI Dennis,
+1. We'll need to include a feedb...@documentation.openoffice.org in the
migration plan.
Where the did feedb...@documentation.openoffice.org come from?
I got it wrong.
Dan Lewis reported the address as authors@ documentation.openoffice.org, not
feedback@ (he said documentation.office.org too).
What is of concern is the address given in PDFs and printed versions of the
User Guides.
For example, on the acknowledgment page (inside cover) of the
Hi Pedro,
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 05:37:31PM -0800, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
remove the else and kde will default to OOo's default
(Galaxy).
I would be really afraid of existing users recalling the
icons as too old-stylish. The Tango icons are not really
Gnome specific, they specifically
As of the end of day, 2011-11-17, there are 81 committers, with 58 on the
PPMC.
Since the previous, 2011-10-12, report that is an increase of 5 committers and
4 PPMC members.
The number of outstanding iCLAs is down to 9 from 11. There are two ID
chosen? pending, and that is unchanged
--- On Thu, 11/17/11, Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org wrote:
IMO the tango icons look uglier than the Galaxy icon set,
but it's just
a question of taste. And the Galaxy is the only one we can
be sure that
has all the required icons. (try the tango icon set and
you'll see that
Hi;
JFYI, Google released some AL2 fonts for Android:
https://github.com/android/platform_frameworks_base/tree/master/data/fonts
BTW, there is a minor update available for the dejavu fonts:
http://dejavu-fonts.org/wiki/Main_Page
Pedro.
Hi Dennis,
Let's figure out all the different email lists are needed, and then decide
where they go.
Please add the list to the wiki.
Regards,
Dave
On Nov 17, 2011, at 8:03 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
I got it wrong.
Dan Lewis reported the address as authors@
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 11:40:25AM -0800, Dave Fisher wrote:
If this statement is rewritten for Binary releases to allow informed
installation of a Language Pack whatever it's host, license and
copyright might be - as long as on installation choices were clearly
visible and the user explicitly
Actually ...
These Droid fonts dont look suitable for a desktop.
They lack many features, for example, there are no
italics :(.
Pedro.
--- On Fri, 11/18/11, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote:
Hi;
JFYI, Google released some AL2 fonts for Android:
Hi Armin,
Le 16 nov. 11 à 13:45, Armin Le Grand a écrit :
On 16.11.2011 07:30, eric b wrote:
You mean you are implementing native svg inside OOo ?
Exactly, and I'm making good progress. It's an interpreter which
converts SVG to a sequence of primitives, the new graphic
representations
On 18.11.2011 06:16, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
JFYI, Google released some AL2 fonts for Android:
https://github.com/android/platform_frameworks_base/tree/master/data/fonts
This shows the need that fonts need to be available for bundling with
Apache projects. In my opinion also the popular Open
On 11/17/11 7:39 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
I thought of that also but there is a reason ...
From some past interaction with people from China,
for them it's absolutely important to get full
acknowledgement for their contributions. It seems
like having them may make a difference in their
future
Disclaimer: this list is not easy to read, and if the topic was
already discussed. In this case, thanks in advance to provide me the
right link :-)
Hi,
I perfectly know the importance of the IP clearance, but in parallel,
we'll need to work on the code, say partialy (e.g. vcl + sd +
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