Re: Extensions hosting

2012-01-13 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 1/13/12 4:00 AM, Dave Fisher wrote: Sent from my iPhone On Jan 12, 2012, at 6:18 PM, Ross Gardlerrgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 12 January 2012 19:01, Dave Fisherdave2w...@comcast.net wrote: Sorry to top post. A distinction exists between extensions.oo.o and

Re: Extensions hosting

2012-01-13 Thread Ross Gardler
Got it - thanks Dave. Ross On 13 January 2012 03:00, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: Sent from my iPhone On Jan 12, 2012, at 6:18 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 12 January 2012 19:01, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: Sorry to top post. A

Re: Extensions hosting

2012-01-13 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
Hi Ross, sorry for my top posting. I have only one point that is important for me. The hosting aspect of binary extensions and templates is a very important part and we should ensure can we can provide such a service in some way. And here it is not important for our users if it is on Apache

Re: Extensions hosting

2012-01-13 Thread Ross Gardler
2012/1/13 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com: Hi Ross, sorry for my top posting. I have only one point that is important for me. The hosting aspect of binary extensions and templates is a very important part and we should ensure can we can provide such a service in some way. Yes, I

Re: Extensions hosting

2012-01-13 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 1/13/12 12:32 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: 2012/1/13 Jürgen Schmidtjogischm...@googlemail.com: Hi Ross, sorry for my top posting. I have only one point that is important for me. The hosting aspect of binary extensions and templates is a very important part and we should ensure can we can

Re: Extensions hosting

2012-01-13 Thread Ross Gardler
2012/1/13 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com: On 1/13/12 12:32 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: .. My point was that in your email to the board this point was not clear enough for me. OK. The board are clear in this point. When they discussed the infrastructure proposal Gav asked them to

Re: Extensions hosting

2012-01-12 Thread Ross Gardler
I'm attempting to summarise this thread and thus I'm top-posting on the orginal opening thread. I will send the below text to the board for consideration. I'll feedback here after the next board meeting (18th) or sooner if possible. Dear Board, The Apache Open Office project needs to stabilise

Re: Extensions hosting

2012-01-12 Thread Dave Fisher
Sorry to top post. A distinction exists between extensions.oo.o and extensions.services.oo.o. The first is part of the OOo-site and the second is the service. Regards, Dave Sent from my iPhone On Jan 12, 2012, at 9:34 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: I'm attempting to

Re: Extensions hosting

2012-01-12 Thread Ross Gardler
On 12 January 2012 19:01, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: Sorry to top post. A distinction exists between extensions.oo.o and extensions.services.oo.o. The first is part of the OOo-site and the second is the service. Thanks Dave. Just so I'm absolutely clear does this change the

Re: Extensions hosting

2012-01-12 Thread Dave Fisher
Sent from my iPhone On Jan 12, 2012, at 6:18 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 12 January 2012 19:01, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: Sorry to top post. A distinction exists between extensions.oo.o and extensions.services.oo.o. The first is part of the

Re: Extensions hosting

2012-01-06 Thread Andrea Pescetti
On 04/01/2012 Roberto Galoppini wrote: 2012/1/4 Jürgen Schmidt: We should keep in mind that for many extension developers it's probably ok to create a SF, GoogleCode or whatever project to host the extension code and the binary. But i believe that there are also many developers who simply want

Re: Extensions hosting

2012-01-06 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 1/5/12 2:57 PM, Rob Weir wrote: 2012/1/5 Jürgen Schmidtjogischm...@googlemail.com: On 1/5/12 12:12 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: As a separate point in this thread I should also point out that the ASF has some experience of dealing with off-site repository providers. Not all of it good. Most of

Re: Extensions hosting

2012-01-06 Thread Ross Gardler
is about, creating a proposal for the board to consider and give us an indication as to whether it would be acceptable or not. Please keep your minds open. Starting from the assumption that the extensions hosting *has* to move from the ASF is false and is closing off one of the options available

Re: Extensions hosting

2012-01-06 Thread Ross Gardler
On 6 January 2012 11:52, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 6 January 2012 09:32, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 04/01/2012 Roberto Galoppini wrote: 2012/1/4 Jürgen Schmidt: ... Sounds good. The stabilization phase can be done anywhere, but as Rob wrote if we

Re: Extensions hosting

2012-01-06 Thread Rob Weir
the repository with the hosted extensions is the relevant service to our users, I think that is what we should be concerned about. Please keep your minds open. Starting from the assumption that the extensions hosting *has* to move from the ASF is false and is closing off one of the options

Re: Extensions hosting

2012-01-06 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 7:38 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 6 January 2012 11:52, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 6 January 2012 09:32, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 04/01/2012 Roberto Galoppini wrote: 2012/1/4 Jürgen Schmidt: ...

Re: Extensions hosting

2012-01-06 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 6 January 2012 15:03, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: ... I'm not saying you *will* be allowed to host them, I'm saying you *may* be allowed to. Similarly, I'm asking you, and others, to stop saying you

Re: Extensions hosting

2012-01-06 Thread Ross Gardler
On 6 January 2012 15:35, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Ross Gardler ... As an IPMC member I would be concerned about a promise of breaking the Sourceforge stranglehold on the extensions site for the reasons I express above (ASF cannot benefit one

Re: Extensions hosting

2012-01-06 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 6 January 2012 15:35, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Ross Gardler ... As an IPMC member I would be concerned about a promise of breaking the Sourceforge stranglehold on

Re: Extensions hosting

2012-01-06 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 1/6/12 4:55 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: On 6 January 2012 15:35, Rob Weirrobw...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Ross Gardler ... As an IPMC member I would be concerned about a promise of breaking the Sourceforge stranglehold on the extensions site for the reasons I

Re: Extensions hosting

2012-01-06 Thread Ross Gardler
On 6 January 2012 15:49, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 6 January 2012 15:03, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: ... I'm not saying you *will* be allowed to host them, I'm saying you *may* be allowed to.

Re: Extensions hosting

2012-01-06 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 6 January 2012 15:49, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 6 January 2012 15:03, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: ... I'm

Re: Extensions hosting

2012-01-06 Thread Roberto Galoppini
On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 6 January 2012 15:49, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 6 January 2012 15:03, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: ... I'm not

Re: Extensions hosting

2012-01-06 Thread Ross Gardler
On 6 January 2012 16:31, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 6 January 2012 15:49, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 6 January

Re: Extensions hosting

2012-01-06 Thread Ross Gardler
On 6 January 2012 17:24, Roberto Galoppini rgalopp...@geek.net wrote: ... I want to take the chance here to say again we're not looking or exclusivity, just offering to help. As I wrote earlier, we can state it formally, providing the ASF and AOO with all necessary compliances and

Re: Extensions hosting

2012-01-06 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Jan 6, 2012, at 10:23 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Jan 6, 2012, at 9:56 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Ross Gardler

Re: Extensions hosting

2012-01-06 Thread Andrew Rist
+1 - short-medium term stabilise the extensions code and hosting - long term move to a federated approach I think this is indeed the growing consensus. I support moving forward with SF in negotiating an approach that conforms to the boundaries you describe below and lead us in this

Re: Extensions hosting

2012-01-06 Thread Dave Fisher
On Jan 6, 2012, at 11:07 AM, Andrew Rist wrote: +1 - short-medium term stabilise the extensions code and hosting - long term move to a federated approach I think this is indeed the growing consensus. I support moving forward with SF in negotiating an approach that conforms to the

RE: Extensions hosting

2012-01-06 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 10:21 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Extensions hosting On Jan 6, 2012, at 10:17 AM, Dave Fisher wrote: On Jan 6, 2012, at 9:56 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Ross Gardler rgard

RE: Extensions hosting

2012-01-06 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: RE: Extensions hosting At some point it would be good to return to the use cases that are of concern and what they represent: 1. There are extensions that are bundled in the setup that is delivered as part of the install process for a binary release

Re: Extensions hosting

2012-01-06 Thread Rob Weir
On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Jan 6, 2012, at 11:07 AM, Andrew Rist wrote: +1   - short-medium term stabilise the extensions code and hosting   - long term move to a federated approach I think this is indeed the growing consensus.  I support

Re: Extensions hosting

2012-01-05 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 1/4/12 7:32 PM, Rob Weir wrote: On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: snip Once you've digested and debated the offer from Sourceforge the community needs to come up with a couple of paragraphs indicating a desired route forwards and reasons for

Re: Extensions hosting

2012-01-05 Thread Ross Gardler
As a separate point in this thread I should also point out that the ASF has some experience of dealing with off-site repository providers. Not all of it good. Most of the problems have been a result of lack of planning and lack of adequate protection of the trademarks involved. All those cases

Re: Extensions hosting

2012-01-05 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 1/5/12 12:12 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: As a separate point in this thread I should also point out that the ASF has some experience of dealing with off-site repository providers. Not all of it good. Most of the problems have been a result of lack of planning and lack of adequate protection of

Re: Extensions hosting

2012-01-05 Thread Rob Weir
2012/1/5 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com: On 1/5/12 12:12 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: As a separate point in this thread I should also point out that the ASF has some experience of dealing with off-site repository providers. Not all of it good. Most of the problems have been a result of

Re: Extensions hosting

2012-01-05 Thread Ross Gardler
On 5 January 2012 13:57, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: 2012/1/5 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com: On 1/5/12 12:12 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: ... And the proposed index only solution is not satisfying for me because of the explained reasons (missing hosting of the binary extension

Re: Extensions hosting

2012-01-05 Thread Rob Weir
On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 5 January 2012 13:57, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: 2012/1/5 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com: On 1/5/12 12:12 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: ... And the proposed index only solution is not satisfying

Re: Extensions hosting

2012-01-05 Thread Dave Fisher
On Jan 5, 2012, at 8:05 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: On 5 January 2012 13:57, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: 2012/1/5 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com: On 1/5/12 12:12 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: ... And the proposed index only solution is not satisfying for me because of the

Re: Extensions hosting

2012-01-04 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 1/3/12 5:25 PM, Rob Weir wrote: On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: As the community know Gav, in his role at infrastructure@ has undertaken to stabilise and migrate the AOO extensions code to ASF infrastructure. His work has been progressing and

Re: Extensions hosting

2012-01-04 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile
Hi *, On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 09:18:07AM +0100, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: We should keep in mind that for many extension developers it's probably ok to create a SF, GoogleCode or whatever project to host the extension code and the binary. But i believe that there are also many developers who

RE: Extensions hosting

2012-01-04 Thread Gavin McDonald
-Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] Sent: Thursday, 5 January 2012 4:32 AM To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Extensions hosting On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: snip Once you've digested

Re: Extensions hosting

2012-01-04 Thread Rob Weir
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Gavin McDonald ga...@16degrees.com.au wrote: -Original Message- From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] Sent: Thursday, 5 January 2012 4:32 AM To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Extensions hosting On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Ross

Re: Extensions hosting

2012-01-04 Thread Ross Gardler
On 4 January 2012 18:32, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: snip Once you've digested and debated the offer from Sourceforge the community needs to come up with a couple of paragraphs indicating a desired route

Extensions hosting

2012-01-03 Thread Ross Gardler
As the community know Gav, in his role at infrastructure@ has undertaken to stabilise and migrate the AOO extensions code to ASF infrastructure. His work has been progressing and he remains committed to completing this. However, as some know Sourceforge made an offer to help via our private list.

Re: Extensions hosting

2012-01-03 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: As the community know Gav, in his role at infrastructure@ has undertaken to stabilise and migrate the AOO extensions code to ASF infrastructure. His work has been progressing and he remains committed to completing

Re: Extensions hosting

2012-01-03 Thread Ross Gardler
On 3 January 2012 16:25, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: As the community know Gav, in his role at infrastructure@ has undertaken to stabilise and migrate the AOO extensions code to ASF infrastructure. His work