Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Should we schedule another IRC practice time?

[scott.tho...@sparkpa.org]

Hi Jason, 
   It is now much more prominent and therefore much better for those of us with 
short attention spans. Thank you!

Scott

-Original Message-
From: Open-ils-general 
[mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Jason 
Etheridge
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 1:41 PM
To: Evergreen Discussion Group 
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Should we schedule another IRC practice time?

>When I tried to access the session, I clicked on the #Evergreen hyperlink 
> on this page: https://evergreen-ils.org/communicate/irc/ I was then prompted 
> to use an application called Mibbit to start the session, and things went 
> downhill from there. I never bothered to read further down on that page. Mea 
> culpa.  I just tried the web interface, and it seems to work fine.

Thanks for letting me know!  I've tweaked the page to better promote the web 
interface.

--
Jason Etheridge
| Community and Migration Manager
| Equinox Software - Open Your Library
| 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457)
| ja...@esilibrary.com
| http://www.esilibrary.com

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Should we schedule another IRC practice time?

[Jason Etheridge]

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 8:52 AM, Rogan Hamby  wrote:
> I think an additional factor is that a lot of participants like IRC

Way back when, I wanted to embed IRC into the staff client, but was vetoed. ;)

Inserting an IRC web gateway as an experiment was easy; trying to get
Chatzilla to work in XULrunner, not so much.

Scott, did you see the web interface for Evergreen's IRC channel?

-- 
Jason Etheridge
| Community and Migration Manager
| Equinox Software - Open Your Library
| 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457)
| ja...@esilibrary.com
| http://www.esilibrary.com

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Should we schedule another IRC practice time?

[Rogan Hamby]

I think an additional factor is that a lot of participants like IRC.  I
know that some folks find face to face communication more natural and
nuanced but I think there is a population that is very comfortable with and
prefers textual.  This isn't to dismiss the value of face to face but just
to point out that I think a group opinion will vary a lot based on who is
in the group.  It is possible that IRC isn't the defacto just because of
some kind of inertia but the commonality of personalities over time who
prefer it.

For my part there are times I think we would get more accomplished in face
to face meetings but I tend to prefer IRC for many purposes and like
textual interfaces.



On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 8:24 AM, scott.tho...@sparkpa.org <
scott.tho...@sparkpa.org> wrote:

> Thank you, everyone, for your responses. Regarding the cost of another
> solution, I am sure, if all of the larger consortia contributed, we could
> come up with something. Having said that, the other reasons everyone gave
> for using IRC are indeed compelling. Who hasn’t been burned by a Java
> download when trying to access an on-line meeting? I can’t say I am
> thrilled. I’d be happy if I never had to see another command prompt in any
> context and was disappointed that I missed the recent documentation meeting
> because I could not get IRC to work, but I will avail myself of any
> practice sessions, and I may yet learn to love IRC. This is all new to me.
>
>
>
> Thank you again.
>
>
>
> Scott
>
>
>
> *From:* Open-ils-general [mailto:
> open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] *On Behalf Of *Holly
> Brennan
> *Sent:* Monday, May 09, 2016 2:06 PM
>
> *To:* Evergreen Discussion Group <
> open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Should we schedule another IRC practice
> time?
>
>
>
> I’ll chime in, too, as a relative newcomer -
>
>
>
> IRC was completely new to me three years ago, but I found it easy to learn
> the more “advanced” ins-and-outs (because there’s really nothing to learn
> when all you want to do is ask a question) . I like being able to hop on
> using any browser or program I want, with nothing to install, anytime I’ve
> needed to.
>
>
>
> Sadly, I cannot say the same for any of the fancier meeting platforms.
> Most webinars I’ve used on these platforms require 15 minutes at the
> beginning of the session to explain how to chat/alert/etc, and there is
> usually someone who can’t connect to one or more parts. I have found myself
> in those situations, and I consider myself quite tech-savvy.
>
>
>
> I love the simplicity (and yes, antiquity) of the IRC interface! (And
> there are many other benefits, as already stated)
>
>
>
> -Holly
>
>
>
>
>
> Holly Brennan
>
> Technology Specialist
>
> Homer Public Library
>
>
>
> hbren...@cityofhomer-ak.gov
>
> 907-435-3154 (direct)
>
> 907-235-3180 (main desk)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Open-ils-general [
> mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org
> ] *On Behalf Of *Chris
> Sharp
> *Sent:* Monday, May 9, 2016 9:46 AM
> *To:* Evergreen Discussion Group
> *Subject:* Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Should we schedule another IRC practice
> time?
>
>
>
> A couple of pro-IRC points to consider as well:
>
> - conversations are publicly logged and web-searchable
>
> - despite the apparent intimidation factor for new users (mitigated by
> sessions like Yamil so generously offers), it's a low point of entry
>
> - can accommodate hundreds (or thousands) of users who can participate in
> real time, making meetings truly public (the most I've seen
> teleconferencing software accommodate is maybe 15, increasing costs for
> whoever is hosting the meeting)
>
> I'm open to individual committees or the Evergreen Oversight Board
> occasionally using conference software for a more face-to-face feel, but I
> hope we will continue using IRC for most community business for the above
> reasons (and the ones Ben mentioned).
>
> Just my two cents,
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Ben Shum  wrote:
>
> It's a reasonable question and one we should continue to evaluate over
> time.
>
> One reason we did not always like products like gotomeeting, etc. was
> cost. While community volunteers could grant access to their organizations
> resources, the community itself never decided to spend money on platforms.
> Freenode IRC is free to use.
>
> Another reason is cross platform compatibility; some of us used Linux
> workstations and these did not always play nicely with those applications.
>
> After this many years on IRC, it's second nature to me, but I also see the
> value considering alternative solutions if we can work through all the
> logistics and continue to keep barriers of access to a minimum.
>
> -- Ben
>
> Sent from my Nexus 6
>
> On May 9, 2016 12:01 PM, "scott.tho...@sparkpa.org" <
> scott.tho...@sparkpa.org> wrote:
>
> I’d like to ask a general question about 

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Should we schedule another IRC practice time?

[scott.tho...@sparkpa.org]

Thank you, everyone, for your responses. Regarding the cost of another 
solution, I am sure, if all of the larger consortia contributed, we could come 
up with something. Having said that, the other reasons everyone gave for using 
IRC are indeed compelling. Who hasn’t been burned by a Java download when 
trying to access an on-line meeting? I can’t say I am thrilled. I’d be happy if 
I never had to see another command prompt in any context and was disappointed 
that I missed the recent documentation meeting because I could not get IRC to 
work, but I will avail myself of any practice sessions, and I may yet learn to 
love IRC. This is all new to me.

Thank you again.

Scott

From: Open-ils-general 
[mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Holly 
Brennan
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2016 2:06 PM
To: Evergreen Discussion Group 
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Should we schedule another IRC practice time?

I’ll chime in, too, as a relative newcomer -

IRC was completely new to me three years ago, but I found it easy to learn the 
more “advanced” ins-and-outs (because there’s really nothing to learn when all 
you want to do is ask a question) . I like being able to hop on using any 
browser or program I want, with nothing to install, anytime I’ve needed to.

Sadly, I cannot say the same for any of the fancier meeting platforms. Most 
webinars I’ve used on these platforms require 15 minutes at the beginning of 
the session to explain how to chat/alert/etc, and there is usually someone who 
can’t connect to one or more parts. I have found myself in those situations, 
and I consider myself quite tech-savvy.

I love the simplicity (and yes, antiquity) of the IRC interface! (And there are 
many other benefits, as already stated)

-Holly


Holly Brennan
Technology Specialist
Homer Public Library

hbren...@cityofhomer-ak.gov
907-435-3154 (direct)
907-235-3180 (main desk)



From: Open-ils-general 
[mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Chris 
Sharp
Sent: Monday, May 9, 2016 9:46 AM
To: Evergreen Discussion Group
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Should we schedule another IRC practice time?

A couple of pro-IRC points to consider as well:
- conversations are publicly logged and web-searchable
- despite the apparent intimidation factor for new users (mitigated by sessions 
like Yamil so generously offers), it's a low point of entry
- can accommodate hundreds (or thousands) of users who can participate in real 
time, making meetings truly public (the most I've seen teleconferencing 
software accommodate is maybe 15, increasing costs for whoever is hosting the 
meeting)
I'm open to individual committees or the Evergreen Oversight Board occasionally 
using conference software for a more face-to-face feel, but I hope we will 
continue using IRC for most community business for the above reasons (and the 
ones Ben mentioned).
Just my two cents,
Chris

On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Ben Shum 
> wrote:

It's a reasonable question and one we should continue to evaluate over time.

One reason we did not always like products like gotomeeting, etc. was cost. 
While community volunteers could grant access to their organizations resources, 
the community itself never decided to spend money on platforms. Freenode IRC is 
free to use.

Another reason is cross platform compatibility; some of us used Linux 
workstations and these did not always play nicely with those applications.

After this many years on IRC, it's second nature to me, but I also see the 
value considering alternative solutions if we can work through all the 
logistics and continue to keep barriers of access to a minimum.

-- Ben

Sent from my Nexus 6
On May 9, 2016 12:01 PM, 
"scott.tho...@sparkpa.org" 
> wrote:
I’d like to ask a general question about this since I am still fairly new to 
the community. Why has the Evergreen community opted to use IRC chat as an 
on-line meeting venue? The one time I used it I found it disconcerting in its 
antiquated look and feel and had difficulty with the etiquette. Why not use 
GoToMeeting, Blackboard Collaborate, or a similar product? The chat interface 
in these products is much closer to what most of us are used to and it would 
add in the possibility of using VOIP and screen sharing. I’ve been curious 
about this for a while

Scott


Scott Thomas
Executive Director
PaILS / SPARK
(717) 873-9461
scott.tho...@sparkpa.org
[Description: Description: Training | SPARK – Pennsylvania's Statewide Library 
System]



From: Open-ils-general 
[mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org]
 On 

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Should we schedule another IRC practice time?

[Joan Kranich]

Hi,

IRC was new to me and I have found it to work well and I think it is easy to 
participate.

Joan

Joan Kranich
Member Services Supervisor
C/W MARS, Inc.
508-755-3323, ext. 321 or ext. 1

From: Open-ils-general 
[mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Rogan 
Hamby
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 8:53 AM
To: Evergreen Discussion Group 
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Should we schedule another IRC practice time?

I think an additional factor is that a lot of participants like IRC.  I know 
that some folks find face to face communication more natural and nuanced but I 
think there is a population that is very comfortable with and prefers textual.  
This isn't to dismiss the value of face to face but just to point out that I 
think a group opinion will vary a lot based on who is in the group.  It is 
possible that IRC isn't the defacto just because of some kind of inertia but 
the commonality of personalities over time who prefer it.

For my part there are times I think we would get more accomplished in face to 
face meetings but I tend to prefer IRC for many purposes and like textual 
interfaces.



On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 8:24 AM, 
scott.tho...@sparkpa.org 
> wrote:
Thank you, everyone, for your responses. Regarding the cost of another 
solution, I am sure, if all of the larger consortia contributed, we could come 
up with something. Having said that, the other reasons everyone gave for using 
IRC are indeed compelling. Who hasn’t been burned by a Java download when 
trying to access an on-line meeting? I can’t say I am thrilled. I’d be happy if 
I never had to see another command prompt in any context and was disappointed 
that I missed the recent documentation meeting because I could not get IRC to 
work, but I will avail myself of any practice sessions, and I may yet learn to 
love IRC. This is all new to me.

Thank you again.

Scott

From: Open-ils-general 
[mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org]
 On Behalf Of Holly Brennan
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2016 2:06 PM

To: Evergreen Discussion Group 
>
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Should we schedule another IRC practice time?

I’ll chime in, too, as a relative newcomer -

IRC was completely new to me three years ago, but I found it easy to learn the 
more “advanced” ins-and-outs (because there’s really nothing to learn when all 
you want to do is ask a question) . I like being able to hop on using any 
browser or program I want, with nothing to install, anytime I’ve needed to.

Sadly, I cannot say the same for any of the fancier meeting platforms. Most 
webinars I’ve used on these platforms require 15 minutes at the beginning of 
the session to explain how to chat/alert/etc, and there is usually someone who 
can’t connect to one or more parts. I have found myself in those situations, 
and I consider myself quite tech-savvy.

I love the simplicity (and yes, antiquity) of the IRC interface! (And there are 
many other benefits, as already stated)

-Holly


Holly Brennan
Technology Specialist
Homer Public Library

hbren...@cityofhomer-ak.gov
907-435-3154 (direct)
907-235-3180 (main desk)



From: Open-ils-general 
[mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Chris 
Sharp
Sent: Monday, May 9, 2016 9:46 AM
To: Evergreen Discussion Group
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Should we schedule another IRC practice time?

A couple of pro-IRC points to consider as well:
- conversations are publicly logged and web-searchable
- despite the apparent intimidation factor for new users (mitigated by sessions 
like Yamil so generously offers), it's a low point of entry
- can accommodate hundreds (or thousands) of users who can participate in real 
time, making meetings truly public (the most I've seen teleconferencing 
software accommodate is maybe 15, increasing costs for whoever is hosting the 
meeting)
I'm open to individual committees or the Evergreen Oversight Board occasionally 
using conference software for a more face-to-face feel, but I hope we will 
continue using IRC for most community business for the above reasons (and the 
ones Ben mentioned).
Just my two cents,
Chris

On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Ben Shum 
> wrote:

It's a reasonable question and one we should continue to evaluate over time.

One reason we did not always like products like gotomeeting, etc. was cost. 
While community volunteers could grant access to their organizations resources, 
the community itself never decided to spend money on platforms. Freenode IRC is 
free to use.

Another reason is cross platform compatibility; some of us used Linux 

[OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Fwd: Fwd: Texas Linux Fest 2016 CFP

[Kathy Lussier]

Hi all,

I'm forwarding this message on behalf of one of the organizers of the 
Texas Linux Fest whom we met at the Google Doc Sprint a few years ago. 
He is reaching out to see if there is any interest from the Evergreen 
community in participating in the upcoming Linux Fest in Austin, Texas. 
It may be too late to submit a talk proposal (the deadline is today), 
but there is free booth space available for non-profits as well as what 
I expect will be a great program.


We thought this might be of some interest to our Texas Evergreeners or 
maybe to others who live a bit further away!


Feel free to contact me directly if you would like to follow up with Nate.

Thanks!
Kathy

-- Forwarded message --
From: *Nathan Willis* >

Date: Mon, May 2, 2016 at 7:58 PM
Subject: Texas Linux Fest 2016 CFP
To: Dan Scott >


Hi Dan,

Nate Willis here; as you may or may not have heard, amongst my other
project pastimes,I'm one of the organizers of Texas Linux Fest,
which we're proud to say is the leading community Linux-and-FOSS
conference for Texas and the surrounding region. This is our seventh
year, and we're anticipating a crowd of over 1,000.

Our event is July 8th and 9th this year, in downtown Austin, TX.  We'd
really love it if some folks from Evergreen (meaning the project or the
surrounding community) can be there—be they local or from out of town.

I realize that central Texas is not traditionally considered "nearby" 
for you,

but I was hoping that you might know of contributors on volunteers in the
region and could perhaps help us get in touch or spread the word.

I especially wanted to draw attention to our call for
participation.  We're intent on attracting a wide variety of speakers
representing open source and free software, both users and developers,
from all corners.

Or to put it another way, I'm really keen to have projects and
developers from outside the "purely commercial" world represented
strongly on our program. In the past, we've had speakers from
open-source projects in education, medicine, archiving, and
other non-profit arenas.  Evergreen would be an awesome addition.

The details are here:

http://2016.texaslinuxfest.org/call-for-papers

and the deadline is approaching, although I understand we are going to
push it out a week.

Please consider submitting a talk proposal if you have been itching to visit
Texas in July, and even if not, we would doubly love it if you could help us
spread the word by sharing the CFP with people in the Evergreen project or
user community!

If you have any questions, or if you want to know more about Texas
Linux Fest in general, please get in touch!

Thanks, from me and on behalf of the entire TXLF 2016 team,
Nate

PS - I've tried to make this email just general enough that, if you feel 
like

it, you could just forward it to any mailing lists or cut-and-paste it into
any discussion forum that feels appropriate.  Feel free!  It's also just 
short

enough to take to the tattoo parlor.

PPS - If there is just someone in the Austin or central-Texas area who
might like to represent the project with a booth, we do have free both space
available for non-profit projects. Please ask!

--
nathan.p.willis
nwil...@glyphography.com 

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Should we schedule another IRC practice time?

[Rogan Hamby]

Yamil has converted a number of folks to IRC over time (IMO).

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 8:45 AM, Remington Steed  wrote:

> Scott,
>
>
>
> Thanks for your willingness to try IRC again.  Yamil’s practice sessions
> are very good and will hopefully get you past any barriers.
>
>
>
> Regarding Documentation Interest Group (DIG) meetings, you can find full
> meeting logs, as well as the rough minutes, at this link:
>
> http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs:dig_meetings
>
>
>
> And you are welcome to join the Docs list (
> http://libmail.georgialibraries.org/mailman/listinfo/open-ils-documentation)
> to join the conversation.  That is where we will probably discuss the date
> for the June meeting.
>
>
>
> Remington
>
>
>
> --
>
> Remington Steed
>
> Electronic Resources Specialist
>
> Hekman Library, Calvin College
>
> http://library.calvin.edu/
>
>
>
> *From:* Open-ils-general [mailto:
> open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] *On Behalf Of *
> scott.tho...@sparkpa.org
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 10, 2016 8:25 AM
>
> *To:* Evergreen Discussion Group <
> open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Should we schedule another IRC practice
> time?
>
>
>
> Thank you, everyone, for your responses. Regarding the cost of another
> solution, I am sure, if all of the larger consortia contributed, we could
> come up with something. Having said that, the other reasons everyone gave
> for using IRC are indeed compelling. Who hasn’t been burned by a Java
> download when trying to access an on-line meeting? I can’t say I am
> thrilled. I’d be happy if I never had to see another command prompt in any
> context and was disappointed that I missed the recent documentation meeting
> because I could not get IRC to work, but I will avail myself of any
> practice sessions, and I may yet learn to love IRC. This is all new to me.
>
>
>
> Thank you again.
>
>
>
> Scott
>
>
>
> *From:* Open-ils-general [
> mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org
> ] *On Behalf Of *Holly
> Brennan
> *Sent:* Monday, May 09, 2016 2:06 PM
> *To:* Evergreen Discussion Group <
> open-ils-general@list.georgialibraries.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Should we schedule another IRC practice
> time?
>
>
>
> I’ll chime in, too, as a relative newcomer -
>
>
>
> IRC was completely new to me three years ago, but I found it easy to learn
> the more “advanced” ins-and-outs (because there’s really nothing to learn
> when all you want to do is ask a question) . I like being able to hop on
> using any browser or program I want, with nothing to install, anytime I’ve
> needed to.
>
>
>
> Sadly, I cannot say the same for any of the fancier meeting platforms.
> Most webinars I’ve used on these platforms require 15 minutes at the
> beginning of the session to explain how to chat/alert/etc, and there is
> usually someone who can’t connect to one or more parts. I have found myself
> in those situations, and I consider myself quite tech-savvy.
>
>
>
> I love the simplicity (and yes, antiquity) of the IRC interface! (And
> there are many other benefits, as already stated)
>
>
>
> -Holly
>
>
>
>
>
> Holly Brennan
>
> Technology Specialist
>
> Homer Public Library
>
>
>
> hbren...@cityofhomer-ak.gov
>
> 907-435-3154 (direct)
>
> 907-235-3180 (main desk)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Open-ils-general [
> mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org
> ] *On Behalf Of *Chris
> Sharp
> *Sent:* Monday, May 9, 2016 9:46 AM
> *To:* Evergreen Discussion Group
> *Subject:* Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Should we schedule another IRC practice
> time?
>
>
>
> A couple of pro-IRC points to consider as well:
>
> - conversations are publicly logged and web-searchable
>
> - despite the apparent intimidation factor for new users (mitigated by
> sessions like Yamil so generously offers), it's a low point of entry
>
> - can accommodate hundreds (or thousands) of users who can participate in
> real time, making meetings truly public (the most I've seen
> teleconferencing software accommodate is maybe 15, increasing costs for
> whoever is hosting the meeting)
>
> I'm open to individual committees or the Evergreen Oversight Board
> occasionally using conference software for a more face-to-face feel, but I
> hope we will continue using IRC for most community business for the above
> reasons (and the ones Ben mentioned).
>
> Just my two cents,
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Ben Shum  wrote:
>
> It's a reasonable question and one we should continue to evaluate over
> time.
>
> One reason we did not always like products like gotomeeting, etc. was
> cost. While community volunteers could grant access to their organizations
> resources, the community itself never decided to spend money on platforms.
> Freenode IRC is free to use.
>
> Another reason is cross 

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Should we schedule another IRC practice time?

[Remington Steed]

Scott,

Thanks for your willingness to try IRC again.  Yamil’s practice sessions are 
very good and will hopefully get you past any barriers.

Regarding Documentation Interest Group (DIG) meetings, you can find full 
meeting logs, as well as the rough minutes, at this link:
http://wiki.evergreen-ils.org/doku.php?id=evergreen-docs:dig_meetings

And you are welcome to join the Docs list 
(http://libmail.georgialibraries.org/mailman/listinfo/open-ils-documentation) 
to join the conversation.  That is where we will probably discuss the date for 
the June meeting.

Remington

--
Remington Steed
Electronic Resources Specialist
Hekman Library, Calvin College
http://library.calvin.edu/

From: Open-ils-general 
[mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of 
scott.tho...@sparkpa.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 8:25 AM
To: Evergreen Discussion Group 
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Should we schedule another IRC practice time?

Thank you, everyone, for your responses. Regarding the cost of another 
solution, I am sure, if all of the larger consortia contributed, we could come 
up with something. Having said that, the other reasons everyone gave for using 
IRC are indeed compelling. Who hasn’t been burned by a Java download when 
trying to access an on-line meeting? I can’t say I am thrilled. I’d be happy if 
I never had to see another command prompt in any context and was disappointed 
that I missed the recent documentation meeting because I could not get IRC to 
work, but I will avail myself of any practice sessions, and I may yet learn to 
love IRC. This is all new to me.

Thank you again.

Scott

From: Open-ils-general 
[mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Holly 
Brennan
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2016 2:06 PM
To: Evergreen Discussion Group 
>
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Should we schedule another IRC practice time?

I’ll chime in, too, as a relative newcomer -

IRC was completely new to me three years ago, but I found it easy to learn the 
more “advanced” ins-and-outs (because there’s really nothing to learn when all 
you want to do is ask a question) . I like being able to hop on using any 
browser or program I want, with nothing to install, anytime I’ve needed to.

Sadly, I cannot say the same for any of the fancier meeting platforms. Most 
webinars I’ve used on these platforms require 15 minutes at the beginning of 
the session to explain how to chat/alert/etc, and there is usually someone who 
can’t connect to one or more parts. I have found myself in those situations, 
and I consider myself quite tech-savvy.

I love the simplicity (and yes, antiquity) of the IRC interface! (And there are 
many other benefits, as already stated)

-Holly


Holly Brennan
Technology Specialist
Homer Public Library

hbren...@cityofhomer-ak.gov
907-435-3154 (direct)
907-235-3180 (main desk)



From: Open-ils-general 
[mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Chris 
Sharp
Sent: Monday, May 9, 2016 9:46 AM
To: Evergreen Discussion Group
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Should we schedule another IRC practice time?

A couple of pro-IRC points to consider as well:
- conversations are publicly logged and web-searchable
- despite the apparent intimidation factor for new users (mitigated by sessions 
like Yamil so generously offers), it's a low point of entry
- can accommodate hundreds (or thousands) of users who can participate in real 
time, making meetings truly public (the most I've seen teleconferencing 
software accommodate is maybe 15, increasing costs for whoever is hosting the 
meeting)
I'm open to individual committees or the Evergreen Oversight Board occasionally 
using conference software for a more face-to-face feel, but I hope we will 
continue using IRC for most community business for the above reasons (and the 
ones Ben mentioned).
Just my two cents,
Chris

On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Ben Shum 
> wrote:

It's a reasonable question and one we should continue to evaluate over time.

One reason we did not always like products like gotomeeting, etc. was cost. 
While community volunteers could grant access to their organizations resources, 
the community itself never decided to spend money on platforms. Freenode IRC is 
free to use.

Another reason is cross platform compatibility; some of us used Linux 
workstations and these did not always play nicely with those applications.

After this many years on IRC, it's second nature to me, but I also see the 
value considering alternative solutions if we can work through all the 
logistics and continue to keep barriers of access to a minimum.

-- Ben

Sent from my Nexus 6
On May 9, 2016 12:01 PM, 
"scott.tho...@sparkpa.org" 

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Should we schedule another IRC practice time?

[scott.tho...@sparkpa.org]

Jason,
   When I tried to access the session, I clicked on the #Evergreen hyperlink on 
this page: https://evergreen-ils.org/communicate/irc/ I was then prompted to 
use an application called Mibbit to start the session, and things went downhill 
from there. I never bothered to read further down on that page. Mea culpa.  I 
just tried the web interface, and it seems to work fine.

Thank you,
Scott

-Original Message-
From: Open-ils-general 
[mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Jason 
Etheridge
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 9:24 AM
To: Evergreen Discussion Group 
Subject: Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Should we schedule another IRC practice time?

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 8:52 AM, Rogan Hamby  wrote:
> I think an additional factor is that a lot of participants like IRC

Way back when, I wanted to embed IRC into the staff client, but was vetoed. ;)

Inserting an IRC web gateway as an experiment was easy; trying to get Chatzilla 
to work in XULrunner, not so much.

Scott, did you see the web interface for Evergreen's IRC channel?

--
Jason Etheridge
| Community and Migration Manager
| Equinox Software - Open Your Library
| 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457)
| ja...@esilibrary.com
| http://www.esilibrary.com

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Fwd: Fwd: Texas Linux Fest 2016 CFP

[Geoff Sams]

Thanks for sending this information on to the list!

Unfortunately I’ll be pretty busy at that time, I really do wish I could attend 
though.  I’ll see if someone else from NTLC might be able to attend, but I’m 
one of 2 people that tend to venture from the main state and national 
conferences in my consortium.  You folks probably met Michael at the Evergreen 
Conference, and I’m not sure if he’d be able to attend either.

I’ll definitely add this to my list to keep in mind for next year though, maybe 
I can work with some other Evergreeners to help spread word then.  I’d love the 
chance to give back to the community.

Thanks,
Geoff Sams
Library Manager
Roanoke Public Library

From: Open-ils-general 
[mailto:open-ils-general-boun...@list.georgialibraries.org] On Behalf Of Kathy 
Lussier
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 9:31 AM
To: 'Evergreen Discussion Group' 
Subject: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Fwd: Fwd: Texas Linux Fest 2016 CFP

Hi all,

I'm forwarding this message on behalf of one of the organizers of the Texas 
Linux Fest whom we met at the Google Doc Sprint a few years ago. He is reaching 
out to see if there is any interest from the Evergreen community in 
participating in the upcoming Linux Fest in Austin, Texas. It may be too late 
to submit a talk proposal (the deadline is today), but there is free booth 
space available for non-profits as well as what I expect will be a great 
program.

We thought this might be of some interest to our Texas Evergreeners or maybe to 
others who live a bit further away!

Feel free to contact me directly if you would like to follow up with Nate.

Thanks!
Kathy
-- Forwarded message --
From: Nathan Willis >
Date: Mon, May 2, 2016 at 7:58 PM
Subject: Texas Linux Fest 2016 CFP
To: Dan Scott >

Hi Dan,

Nate Willis here; as you may or may not have heard, amongst my other
project pastimes,I'm one of the organizers of Texas Linux Fest,
which we're proud to say is the leading community Linux-and-FOSS
conference for Texas and the surrounding region.  This is our seventh
year, and we're anticipating a crowd of over 1,000.

Our event is July 8th and 9th this year, in downtown Austin, TX.  We'd
really love it if some folks from Evergreen (meaning the project or the
surrounding community) can be there—be they local or from out of town.
I realize that central Texas is not traditionally considered "nearby" for you,
but I was hoping that you might know of contributors on volunteers in the
region and could perhaps help us get in touch or spread the word.

I especially wanted to draw attention to our call for
participation.  We're intent on attracting a wide variety of speakers
representing open source and free software, both users and developers,
from all corners.

Or to put it another way, I'm really keen to have projects and
developers from outside the "purely commercial" world represented
strongly on our program. In the past, we've had speakers from
open-source projects in education, medicine, archiving, and
other non-profit arenas.  Evergreen would be an awesome addition.

The details are here:

http://2016.texaslinuxfest.org/call-for-papers

and the deadline is approaching, although I understand we are going to
push it out a week.

Please consider submitting a talk proposal if you have been itching to visit
Texas in July, and even if not, we would doubly love it if you could help us
spread the word by sharing the CFP with people in the Evergreen project or
user community!

If you have any questions, or if you want to know more about Texas
Linux Fest in general, please get in touch!

Thanks, from me and on behalf of the entire TXLF 2016 team,
Nate

PS - I've tried to make this email just general enough that, if you feel like
it, you could just forward it to any mailing lists or cut-and-paste it into
any discussion forum that feels appropriate.  Feel free!  It's also just short
enough to take to the tattoo parlor.

PPS - If there is just someone in the Austin or central-Texas area who
might like to represent the project with a booth, we do have free both space
available for non-profit projects. Please ask!

--
nathan.p.willis
nwil...@glyphography.com

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Should we schedule another IRC practice time?

[Yamil Suarez]

Jason and others,

Should we re-word those links that mention the "web gateway." I originally
would not have understood that it meant I could just use a web browser
without any additional software. Of course the term is correct, but I would
like us to consider being more intuitive for new users.

Thoughts?

Thanks,
Yamil








Yamil Suarez, MCS
Library Systems Administrator/Developer

Stan Getz Library
Berklee College of Music
1140 Boylston St
Boston, MA 02215

ysua...@berklee.edu
617-747-2617

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Jason Etheridge 
wrote:

> >When I tried to access the session, I clicked on the #Evergreen
> hyperlink on this page: https://evergreen-ils.org/communicate/irc/ I was
> then prompted to use an application called Mibbit to start the session, and
> things went downhill from there. I never bothered to read further down on
> that page. Mea culpa.  I just tried the web interface, and it seems to work
> fine.
>
> Thanks for letting me know!  I've tweaked the page to better promote
> the web interface.
>
> --
> Jason Etheridge
> | Community and Migration Manager
> | Equinox Software - Open Your Library
> | 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457)
> | ja...@esilibrary.com
> | http://www.esilibrary.com
>

Re: [OPEN-ILS-GENERAL] Should we schedule another IRC practice time?

[Jason Etheridge]

>When I tried to access the session, I clicked on the #Evergreen hyperlink 
> on this page: https://evergreen-ils.org/communicate/irc/ I was then prompted 
> to use an application called Mibbit to start the session, and things went 
> downhill from there. I never bothered to read further down on that page. Mea 
> culpa.  I just tried the web interface, and it seems to work fine.

Thanks for letting me know!  I've tweaked the page to better promote
the web interface.

-- 
Jason Etheridge
| Community and Migration Manager
| Equinox Software - Open Your Library
| 1-877-OPEN-ILS (673-6457)
| ja...@esilibrary.com
| http://www.esilibrary.com