Re: Comments on "Terminologies in Information models", anyone?

2019-10-11 Thread GF
to provide the answer. Gerard Freriks +31 620 34 70 88 ‭+31 182 22 59 46‬ gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 10 Oct 2019, at 11:29, Vebjørn Arntzen via openEHR-clinical > wrote: > > d. Although measures have been taken to implement internation

Re: Choosing appropriate composition archetypes for recording smoking and drinking summary

2019-06-05 Thread GF
by authorising clinicians. In this latter sense, it may be considered equivalent to a signed document. Gerard Freriks +31 620 34 70 88 ‭+31 182 22 59 46‬ gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 5 Jun 2019, at 20:17, Jussara macedo wrote: > > I would call my con

Re: Choosing appropriate composition archetypes for recording smoking and drinking summary

2019-06-04 Thread GF
Hi, Afaik. Composition is to document one complete encounter. I use the ENTRY to start documenting the Documentation process. And CLUSTERS to deal with Pannels with Clinical Statements. Gerard Freriks +31 620 34 70 88 ‭+31 182 22 59 46‬ gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda

Re: Moving towards the use of SNOMED CT in place of local codes for better interoperability

2019-03-08 Thread GF
22 59 46‬ gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 8 Mar 2019, at 09:07, Vebjørn Arntzen via openEHR-clinical > wrote: > > Hi, Dileep > > There are nodes in archetypes where it could, and perhaps should, be > recommended to use terminology wh

Re: Archetype modelling pattern for Physical examination findings

2019-03-07 Thread GF
. And then per Panel component two CLUSTERS: one for data and one for its context. Gerard Freriks +31 620 34 70 88 ‭+31 182 22 59 46‬ gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 7 Mar 2019, at 05:33, Heather Leslie > wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > Th

Re: ECG archetype advice required

2018-09-06 Thread GF
that it is about the Cardiac Output of Blood. In this way, making these choices, the Boundary problem between structure and coding system is avoided. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 5 Sep 2018, at 09:48, David Moner wrote: >

Re: Science of Machine Learning (was Machine Learning , some thoughts)

2018-06-30 Thread GF
Data of perfect quality means, in my opinion, data and their complete context. A diagnosis by a nurse is not the same as one by a patiente, or strting intern, or one MD with 20m years experience. Just mentioning one example. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801

Re: Machine Learning , some thoughts

2018-06-29 Thread GF
Dear Evelyn, The ideas I have are collected in a rough document called SIAMM (Semantic Interpretability Artefact Modelling Method) This is known by several persons active in ISO/CEN. At present I’m no longer actively involved in standardisation work. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf

Re: Machine Learning , some thoughts

2018-06-28 Thread GF
not compete, do not overlap. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 29 Jun 2018, at 00:15, Bert Verhees wrote: > > GF said: We need standards on how to describe the health data and their > epistemology/context, modeling patter

Re: Machine Learning , some thoughts

2018-06-28 Thread GF
Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 28 Jun 2018, at 16:03, Stefan Sauermann > wrote: > > Instead, the greatest hope for effective systems will be realized when the > infrastructure for introducing comp

Re: Machine Learning , some thoughts

2018-06-28 Thread GF
when those conditions apply to cross-border processing of such data. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 27 Jun 2018, at 12:36, Karsten Hilbert wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 12:28:30PM +0200, Diego Bo

Re: Machine Learning , some thoughts

2018-06-28 Thread GF
with: 'but that is currently illegal under EU GDPR.' Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 27 Jun 2018, at 12:18, Karsten Hilbert wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 11:57:05AM +0200, Stefan Sauermann wrote: > >>

Re: Machine Learning , some thoughts

2018-06-26 Thread GF
I agree fully. This implies that on the fly small archetypes need to be used to store one or more aspects. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 26 Jun 2018, at 18:10, Dr Evelyn Hovenga wrote: > > Bert nurses think

Re: Machine Learning , some thoughts

2018-06-25 Thread GF
to collect data for ordering of procedures (diagnostic, treatment) Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 25 Jun 2018, at 16:51, Anastasiou A. wrote: > > Hello Bert and all > >> I wonder if besides that ap

Re: Machine Learning , some thoughts

2018-06-25 Thread GF
different. It is much more finding a diagnosis and treatment or proving that there some diagnosis do not apply. Hospital patient are a highly selected group of patients. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 25 Jun 2018, at 14:56, Anastas

Re: Machine Learning , some thoughts

2018-06-25 Thread GF
Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 25 Jun 2018, at 12:52, Bert Verhees wrote: > > On 25-06-18 12:40, GF wrote: >> Providing health and care is part science and for a large part an art. >> Meaning that humans are need

Re: Machine Learning , some thoughts

2018-06-25 Thread GF
. GF Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 25 Jun 2018, at 12:21, Stefan Sauermann > wrote: > > 82% of correct recognition rate is a desaster in healthcare. > 74% is even worse. > > My evidence based fee

Re: What to call this concept?

2018-06-22 Thread GF
you do’ one needs to provide the context. Be it: on human body function, human activity or Participation as social activity with others. http://www.who.int/classifications/icf/icfbeginnersguide.pdf Gerard Freriks Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda

Re: What to call this concept?

2018-06-15 Thread GF
nothing but being bored. In order to answer this question one needs to scope the context, the reason why one wants to know and record it. Questions that need to be answered first: Why do you ask the question? And for what purpose will you use the answer? Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl

Re: Terminology bindings ... again

2018-03-12 Thread GF
The scope of LOINC is NOT the same as the scope of SNOMED. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 12 Mar 2018, at 08:39, Mikael Nyström <mikael.nyst...@liu.se> wrote: > > Hi, > > I do that too. It seems like

Re: Terminology bindings ... again

2018-03-12 Thread GF
gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 12 Mar 2018, at 01:38, Pablo Pazos <pablo.pa...@cabolabs.com> wrote: > > Now that I have more experience with SNOMED expressions, I like the idea of > doing the binding with an expression, also I think an e

Re: Setting thresholds

2018-03-02 Thread GF
- etc. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 1 Mar 2018, at 22:47, Sam Heard <sam.he...@oceaninformatics.com> wrote: > > HI All > Goals and targets are an example of ranges as data. The INR treatment range > is a

Re: Setting thresholds

2018-02-28 Thread GF
Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 28 Feb 2018, at 14:42, Seref Arikan <serefari...@kurumsalteknoloji.com> > wrote: > > Hi Tom, > > The original question is talking about 'threshold's changing in

Re: Archetype Modeling Methodology

2018-02-26 Thread GF
David, Thanks for the White paper. I think I agree. What is the latest news from Spain? GF Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 26 Feb 2018, at 10:49, David Moner <dam...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Dear community, &g

Re: design description of lab archetypes

2017-12-04 Thread GF
not in favor of this solution. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 4 Dec 2017, at 01:14, Koray Atalag <k.ata...@auckland.ac.nz> wrote: > > Hi, > > I couldn’t see any further discussions on the points Thomas raised –

Re: Mandatory elements in archetypes, and user interfaces

2017-11-10 Thread GF
to be set fully. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 10 Nov 2017, at 15:49, Boštjan Lah <bostjan@marand.si> wrote: > > > >> On 10 Nov 2017, at 15:03, GF <gf...@luna.nl <mailto:gf...@luna.nl>> wr

Re: Mandatory elements in archetypes, and user interfaces

2017-11-10 Thread GF
to Templates but NOT Archetypes. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 10 Nov 2017, at 11:47, Bakke, Silje Ljosland > <silje.ljosland.ba...@nasjonalikt.no> wrote: > > Crossposting this between the clinical and impleme

Re: design description of lab archetypes

2017-07-13 Thread GF
: - The individual Itemresults are the result of a process and therefor Observations (ENTRIES) - The Panelresult is the result of an EVALUATION Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 13 Jul 2017, at 21:19, Thomas Beale <thomas.be...@openehr.org&

Re: openEHR-technical Digest, Vol 64, Issue 6

2017-06-07 Thread GF
an observable property? I think not. It is an aggregate, an evaluation. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 6 Jun 2017, at 19:34, Bakke, Silje Ljosland > <silje.ljosland.ba...@nasjonalikt.no> wrote: > > I agree

Re: openEHR-technical Digest, Vol 64, Issue 6

2017-06-06 Thread GF
be possible to create one pattern that can deal with all kinds. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 6 Jun 2017, at 14:46, Vebjørn Arntzen <varnt...@ous-hf.no> wrote: > > Hi all > > To me a "questionnaire&quo

Re: openEHR-clinical Digest, Vol 59, Issue 20

2017-04-26 Thread GF
ECTION, ENTRY, CLUSTER) had better use LOINC. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 25 Apr 2017, at 11:51, William Goossen <wgoos...@results4care.nl> wrote: > > Many questions are in SNOMEDCT eg observable entities > M

Re: SNOMED in CKM

2017-04-25 Thread GF
for as results. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 25 Apr 2017, at 06:23, Pablo Pazos <pablo.pa...@cabolabs.com> wrote: > > Hi Bert, > > Maybe my wording is the issue here since I don't disagree with what you said. &

Re: BMI archetype

2017-04-10 Thread GF
: Special case of Evaluation. The process pertains to processes in the Patient system. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 10 Apr 2017, at 09:10, Pablo Pazos <pablo.pa...@cabolabs.com> wrote: > > from ehr_im > >

Re: BMI archetype

2017-04-10 Thread GF
I would say one needs both: Evaluation: when calculating by the author the BMI-number using existing weight/height data Observation: when reading/copying by the author aa a BMI-result from a source Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl > On 10 Apr 2017, at 08:33, Bert Verhees <ber

Re: Z scores

2017-03-21 Thread GF
archetype patterns. The latter I prefer because data types I associate with the interface with program languages. And there statistical result do not play a role. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 21 Mar 2017, at 08:21, Bakke, Si

Re: Problem with constraint_binding

2017-03-17 Thread GF
Yes. Any item in an archetype potentially has: - an ad-hoc, locally defined, display name - an official canonical name in a specific language domain - and, in order to disambiguate it, an unique code in - a specific terminology/classification domain Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl

Re: Problem with constraint_binding

2017-03-16 Thread GF
data' Is the code used for defining the subject of associated data? Or is the code used to define the data provided itself? Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 15 Mar 2017, at 23:05, Sam Heard <sam.he...@oceaninformatics.com&

Re: Normal range/reference ranges for text data type

2016-09-30 Thread GF
mas.be...@openehr.org> wrote: > > > > On 29/09/2016 13:31, GF wrote: >> Each entry in the classification needs: >> - a screen representation (‘+++') >> - a description (‘moderate') > > in theory these two come from DV_ORDINAL.symbol, which is a DV_CODED_TEXT. &g

Re: Normal range/reference ranges for text data type

2016-09-30 Thread GF
classifications need to be mapped on a standardised internal pattern/archetype for classifications. It is this pattern that is stored and retrieved annex to the mapping to the local classification. Gerard > On 30 Sep 2016, at 10:06, Bert Verhees <bert.verh...@rosa.nl> wrote: > > On 29-

Re: Normal range/reference ranges for text data type

2016-09-29 Thread GF
r.org> wrote: > > > > On 29/09/2016 12:58, GF wrote: >> Is possible to define inclusion and exclusion criteria in the DV-Ordinal? >> > > Gerard > > can you explain in more detail what you mean? > > -thomas > > __

Re: Normal range/reference ranges for text data type

2016-09-29 Thread GF
Is possible to define inclusion and exclusion criteria in the DV-Ordinal? GF > On 29 Sep 2016, at 09:00, Bakke, Silje Ljosland > <silje.ljosland.ba...@nasjonalikt.no> wrote: > > Thanks for your replies everyone! > > Can the Any data type be constrained to DV_ORDINAL a

Re: More generic reference model

2016-09-03 Thread GF
Thomas, I agree. In the Semantic Stack various layers are orthogonal and intersect. The intersection between SNOMED Reference Terminologies and structures (archetypes) is exactly at the righthand side of the ‘is’ relation. Codes from SNOMED are ‘universals’, meaning definitions, like entries in

Re: More generic reference model

2016-09-02 Thread GF
Daniel, I agree with your opinions. And observe - like you - differences where boundaries are drawn. To me it is logical that there are differences because the scope of Bert is not the same as the scope of OpenEHR or CIMI. Bert’s scope is implementation in databases OpenEHR -to me- is a mix

Re: HL7 and negation

2016-06-14 Thread GF
Processes have state models to indicate how they are (are not) executed. When an investigation could not be done there must be an abnormal status indicator and reason explaining why. On other matter is the presence or absence of something. Gerard > On 14 jun. 2016, at 05:56, Heather Leslie

Re: HL7 and negation

2016-06-11 Thread GF
and epistomological features of which one of them in Localisation in Time. Gerard > On 11 jun. 2016, at 16:37, Thomas Beale <thomas.be...@openehr.org> wrote: > > Gerard, > > in this scheme what does 'status' encode? Actual | future? > > - thomas > > On 11/06/2016 14:48, G

Re: HL7 and negation

2016-06-11 Thread GF
gt; knowledge about the patient), checking for a list being empty in some EMR > system isn't at all the same thing. All that latter does is establish that no > allergies have been recorded on this particular system. > > - thomas > > On 08/06/2016 07:54, GF wrote: >> >> &g

HL7 and negation

2016-06-08 Thread GF
Dear Colleagues,HL7 is thinking about the problem of negation. http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=Negation_RequirementsThe group discussing it created a document with negation use cases.My questions are:- Can you let us know your reaction to this list of use cases?And- How should ‘negation’ be