:35:48AM -0700, David Forslund wrote:
The Drug Product Database (DPD) system captures information on
Canadian human,
veterinary and disinfectant products approved by the Drugs Programme
for use in Canada.
So its use outside of Canada may be problematic independent of the
copyright
Have you looked at openedi on sourceforge?
Dave
Will Ross wrote:
I'm looking for one. At any stage of development. Any suggestions
will be welcome.
With best regards,
[wr]
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Thomas Beale wrote:
David Forslund wrote:
I think we should have some time of interoperability testbed for open
source systems with each other and with other
non-open source systems. Interoperability and open source can be quite
orthogonal. Certainly all systems
need to today
, too.
Dave
Tim.Churches wrote:
Thomas Beale wrote:
David Forslund wrote:
We have been using workflow engines for a while. The one I happen to
prefer is Shark (http://shark.objectweb.org)
http://shark.objectweb.org%29
http://shark.objectweb.org%29 which is quite robust
Communication between HIS isn't specifically a need of a citizen, just
the results of it. It has been
almost impossible for a patient to be able to see or possess a record of
their healthcare which is
being done by a variety of organizations and providers. This need for
a virtual healthcare
I wholeheartedly agree with you, Will!Do you have some example
workflow diagrams that
you have found useful?
Dave
Will Ross wrote:
Philippe,
Actually, I am still talking about Wayne's focus on the user. As a
project manager I spend much of my time in a balancing act by
advocating
Philippe AMELINE wrote:
Will,
Who is the user you want to show workflow diagrams too?
Is he/she an health professional or a citizen/patient?
I can't speak for Will, but I think workflow is useful for the tasks
that people need to do in
caring for a patient. In the work we did with City
Tim Cook wrote:
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David Forslund wrote:
I'm trying to understand what these reference view points have to do
with getting the data between organizations.
In a single care place, the data for the patient may have to come from
multiple
paid with grant funds will be released under the
GPL. The project portal is located here:
http://www.phoenixpm.org/
With best regards,
[wr]
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On Mar 23, 2006, at 6:44 AM, David Forslund wrote:
I wholeheartedly agree with you, Will!Do you have some example
is how the countries laws
influence governance.
David Forslund wrote:
I don't understand why this is good or even relevant. What should
matter is the legal protection
provided by the incorporation in the various countries participating,
which I think was Richard's point.
Dave
Yes, it would be nice if this info was put on the oscha.org web site (or
at least told
there where to find the information). I don't understand
representation by region.
I assumed that people from anywhere can join and that region doesn't
matter. I
also don't understand the use of HDI. It
David Forslund wrote:
Is OSHCA membership intended to simply be an issue of who can vote on
decisions by the organization or does it entail other matters? Most
organizations allow for observers and external contributors, but those
can't vote on organizational decisions. For example, can
I agree precisely with Thomas' succinct statement. Healthcare
is still dealing with and producing silos that can't easily be penetrated.
We have found it easier to tackle this in locations that have no
existing infrastructure to overcome, such as underdeveloped regions
(of which we have many in
:
David Forslund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
David,
If the OSHCA takes on the task of making the glue
* to get FOSS for Health groups to understand the true value of FOSS
which is sharing/contributing and collaborating with ideas and code
*to demonstrate the value of interoperability
If the process requires all of the items to be approved to move forward,
I submit it is fatally flawed. If all are required to be approved then
there should simply be one vote up or down. If not then the results of
the process should be able to go forward based on the various possible
outcomes.
I don't understand the complaint about Will's concerns. The voting
wasn't done when he indicated his comments.
So why do you say that everything was done and over with? What is the
voting about then? Perhaps
I'm missing something important? I thought voting was a democratic
process. :-)
I commend Molly and the Protem committee for all of the hard work.
I assume the digestion of this event will include reporting how the
voting went.
( I've been curious why protem was used for the committee name instead
of protemp?)
I supposed I should have followed all the openhealth
Will we hear the voting results or are they posted somewhere?
What is the point of the election unless the votes are reported?
Have I missed something?
Dave Forslund
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As most of you know by now, OpenEMed uses a service oriented architecture
based on the OMG PIDS/COAS/RAD/LQS standards, with PIDS using
by default the HL7 2.3 PID segment of patient identification. COAS uses
various HL7 codes for observations (or any other coding system that is
available).
LQS
:
David Forslund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The coding system standards in the US have been specified by CHI. We
should share coding systems, but
even more important is to provide mappings between coding systems, since
not everyone will ever use the
same coding system. OSS could lead by example
In the US (and UK) SNOMED-CT is freely available. Do folks use the
ICPC-2 spec? If so what do you all think of it?
Dave
Nandalal Gunaratne wrote:
Alvin B. Marcelo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You are quite right. Interoperability depends in turn on the agreement
on standards. Coding systems
It isn't clear to me the role that OSHCA can/should play in the
standards world. It might be useful
for the community to agree on things that everyone will support, but
that alone doesn't make it a standard.
Standards my be dictated by national entities or other bodies outside
the control of
IBM is part of one of the ONCHIT winners. Also IBM is participating in
the HSSP effort. Sounds like normal operations for IBM.
I've not found a technical reference to the IHII yet, although the
ONCHIT required at least some of the response to be open source.
Dave Forslund
Nandalal Gunaratne
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--- In openhealth@yahoogroups.com, David Forslund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
IBM is part of one of the ONCHIT winners. Also IBM is
participating in
the HSSP effort. Sounds like normal operations for IBM.
I've not found
HL7 is only a partial solution to interoperability as you indicate and
less than
most might have thought. Which is why there is the HSSP
effort underway which is picking up from the OMG HDTF effort
almost a decade ago. The OMG HDTF made enormous
progress toward interoperability but it is
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ivhalpc wrote:
I wonder how this is all going to end and I fear it will end badly as
in Nationalized medicine in the US
Would that truly be a bad thing? I'm not sure how a transition would
work but answer these
.
These specifications are early examples of what is now popularly known
as SOA (Service Oriented Architecture).
Dave
Greg Woodhouse wrote:
--- David Forslund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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HL7 is only a partial solution to interoperability as you indicate
I hope no politicians have anything to do with the OMG HDTF. This would
be a severe
mistake since it would then contain nothing technically useful. A
requirement that industry
come up with rigorous interoperability requirements would be useful.
The issue of humanely motivated reason is
What is happening with the setting up of OSHCA in Malaysia? It has been
quiet for some time now.
It is disturbing to see the Prime Minister of Malaysia shaking hands
with the Hamas terrorist Mahmoud Zahar. What
possible good can come from that? How are we supposed to interpret this
action?
Tim.Churches wrote:
David Forslund wrote:
What is happening with the setting up of OSHCA in Malaysia? It has been
quiet for some time now.
My understanding is that the papers have been filed with the relevant
authority and presumably they are being or will soon be assessed
I apologize for bringing this up, but it does affect my relationship
with OSHCA
since it is being incorporated in Malaysia. I will be unable to support
OSHCA
in Malaysia because of the politics/human rights issues I see happening
in that country.
Sorry,
Dave Forslund
K.S. Bhaskar wrote:
I'm not sure what Thomas' view is, but here are my $.02.
Thinking of messaging tends to distract one from trying to solve the
real problem. The idea seems to be that sending messages around is
good and people will eventually be able to figure out what they mean.
One needs to worry more about
happen in another country at
an ungodly hour.
Unfortunately not every country has such a well
developed, GP based system, as in the UK.
Nandalal
--- Adrian Midgley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:amidgley2%40defoam.net wrote:
David Forslund wrote:
I tend to think that my notes, made by me
from country to country and suddenly need their
records in a strange land!
--- David Forslund [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:forslund%40mail.com wrote:
Absolutely not! I do want the patient to be in
control
of his/her data, with GPs assisting. I believe in a
distributed
EMR with control
Just a comment:
I like OpenEHR, but it is erroneous to refer to it as an open standard.
The term standard is usually reserved for something certified as a
standard
by an organization or that is a de facto standard by its widespread
use. Neither
of these apply to OpenEHR at this time. It
as part of OpenEMed that could be used in this context. All
open source, of course.
Thanks,
Dave
Nandalal Gunaratne wrote:
--- David Forslund [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:forslund%40mail.com wrote:
I think
EHR applications should be interoperable without
having to use the same
underlying code
Here is an opportunity for the open source community to contribute to a
significant new standard for healthcare.
Anyone willing to participate in a response to these RFPs?
Dave Forslund
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David Forslund wrote:
Here is an opportunity for the open source community to contribute to a
significant new standard for healthcare.
Anyone willing to participate in a response to these RFPs?
Dave Forslund
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http://creativecommons.org/).
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mailto:openhealth%40yahoogroups.com, David Forslund [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
This effort would require commitment from the payor that they
would accept those codes for reimbursement. Otherwise this
effort
mailto:openhealth%40yahoogroups.com, David Forslund [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
This effort would require commitment from the payor that they
would accept those codes for reimbursement. Otherwise this
effort will be relatively useless.
Dave
mspohr wrote:
The goal of the CPT
, David Forslund forslund@ wrote:
This effort would require commitment from the payor that they
would accept those codes for reimbursement. Otherwise this
effort will be relatively useless.
Dave
mspohr wrote:
The goal of the CPT code project would be to create
OpenEMed continues to be in modest development but
perhaps not visible at a higher level. The MPI work
is based on the OMG PIDS standard. It is open
source and has been so since 2000. The next
generation of PIDS will result from the current
EIS RFP from the OMG which is currently
soliciting
for multiple identifiers for the same person. This
is all spelled out in the spec originally published in 1998. This is
likely to be expanded with the EIS specification now being
considered by the OMG (and HL7).
Dave
Nandalal Gunaratne wrote:
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Paul,
I have a question as to the interoperability of OpenMRS. At what
level can or could it interoperate with other systems? It seems to have
its own API rather than some of the standard APIs out there. This
information says that OpenMRS isn't another stovepipe, but only talks
of how
be delighted if someone could talk about it.
Tim C
Dave
--- In openhealth@yahoogroups.com, David Forslund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Paul,
I have a question as to the interoperability of OpenMRS. At what
level can or could it interoperate with other systems? It seems to have
its own
Tim Churches wrote:
David Forslund wrote:
I've seen no real
effort in the open source community to embrace interoperability.
Certainly interoperability has
been opposed by much of industry until recently, but there is no good
reason for the open source community to not embrace
Paul wrote:
Dave,
Thanks for your thoughts. These discussions can get religious fairly
quickly, so I'll just say that the bottom line for us is a simple one:
we're supporting an open-source collaboration less to meet/support
longstanding specifications that have fairly low uptake to this
of adoption.
With best regards,
[wr]
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On Feb 17, 2007, at 9:24 PM, David Forslund wrote:
Tim Churches wrote:
David Forslund wrote:
I've seen no real
effort in the open source community to embrace interoperability.
Certainly interoperability has
Tim Churches wrote:
David Forslund wrote:
Joseph Dal Molin wrote:
Open source efforts/software like OpenMRS, WorldVistA (VistA Office
etc.), OSCAR etc. that are focused on diffusion/uptake and continuous
improvement. All need to have practical tools methods etc. to work
Agreed. Such an action would at least have to have approval of a local
HIPAA board.
How would one prove it is reliable at removing protected information?
If it is
an algorithm, the algorithm would need local approval.
Dave
Maury Pepper wrote:
can-of-worms
1. How good does it have to be? Is
That is the reason for the patient consent in the HIPAA regulations. In
my opinion, the
patient would need to review the data to approve its release. The usual
escape clause
is for the data to be used in the normal care of the patient But if it
is for some
other purpose, then it needs
If one uses a structured report along the lines of the ASTM CCR, then
I think it would be relatively easy to remove the sensitive information,
since all of the data would be tagged.
Dave
Nandalal Gunaratne wrote:
Will,
It is not a good idea to have sensitive information in
free text. If you
Tim Cook wrote:
David Forslund wrote:
OpenEMed should certainly show up in the list of healthcare software
applications.
I have no idea of how to do this with JSON, particularly, since I see no
mention of any JSON
links on the referenced web pages.
Thanks,
Dave
My only concern about this proposal is that there is a company with the
name Liberty Medical out there (http://www.libertymedical.com). That
might create some confusion as well as some legal issues, but then I'm
no lawyer. (in fact, when I saw the title of the email, I initially
thought it
be referring to it that way. Once we have do that for a
while, the distinction should become clear.
-FT
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 9:42 AM, David Forslund forsl...@mail.com
mailto:forslund%40mail.com
wrote:
My only concern about this proposal is that there is a company
with the
name
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