[openhealth] Yet more UK health IT programme woes

Noticed on the UK RadStats (radical statisticians) mailing list. An object lesson in what not to do. Tim C NHS trusts pay millions in fines to suppliers of delayed IT system John Carvel, social affairs editor Tuesday June 6, 2006 The Guardian NHS trusts are being made to pay multimi

Re: [openhealth] Sustainable technology?

Wayne WIlson wrote: > Molly sent us this data., which is important enough to restate: > > To support our focus on developing countries, the biggest challenge is > equity and the data found in this presentation says it all. > High-income countries: >    16%   population >    7%  burden of di

Re: [openhealth] Re: OSHCA

thcare is universal, and computers are also remarkably non-partisan, so we don't expect to have to deal with a lot of political issues in the normal business of OSHCA. Tim C > Tim.Churches a écrit : > >  >David Forslund wrote: >  > >  > >  >>I apologize for br

Re: [openhealth] Re: OSHCA

David Forslund wrote: > I apologize for bringing this up, but it does affect my relationship > with OSHCA > since it is being incorporated in Malaysia.  I will be unable to support > OSHCA > in Malaysia because of the politics/human rights issues I see happening > in that country. I am sorry th

Re: [openhealth] Re: OSHCA

David Forslund wrote: > Tim.Churches wrote: >  > David Forslund wrote: >  > > What is happening with the setting up of OSHCA in Malaysia?  It has been >  > > quiet for some time now. >  > >  > My understanding is that the papers have been filed with the

Re: [openhealth] Re: OSHCA

David Forslund wrote: > What is happening with the setting up of OSHCA in Malaysia?  It has been > quiet for some time now. My understanding is that the papers have been filed with the relevant authority and presumably they are being or will soon be assessed and processed. Meanwhile arrangement

Re: [openhealth] Beyond standards.

K.S. Bhaskar wrote: > Thomas Beale wrote: > [KSB] <...snip...> >> contracts (as a software vendor) where the software is FOSS (my company, >> Ocean Informatics is offering a GPL or commercial licence choice to >> buyers). Anyway, recently we had a conversation during the negotiation >> > [KSB] I ha

Re: [openhealth] Standards -- more questions

Thomas Beale wrote: > Tim.Churches wrote: >  > Thomas Beale wrote: >  > > Alvin B. Marcelo wrote: >  > >  > I agree with Heitzso. ICD-10 suffers from 'usability' issues. Yet >  > >  > unlike the better systems (ie, >  > >  > SNOMED

Re: [openhealth] Standards -- more questions

Tim.Churches wrote: > Thomas Beale wrote: >  > Alvin B. Marcelo wrote: >  >  > I agree with Heitzso. ICD-10 suffers from 'usability' issues. Yet >  >  > unlike the better systems (ie, >  >  > SNOMED) it is freely accessible. >  >  > > 

Re: [openhealth] Beyond standards.

Thomas Beale wrote: > David Forslund wrote: >> I am familiar with this problem. It seems to me to stem from negotiating >> the wrong kind of contract. I don't think FOSS helps that much because >> the contracts seem to me to be negotiated from ignorance. If the local >> organization demands interop

Re: [openhealth] Re: Nationalized Medicine was: article re IBM and others contributing open source epi and other

David Forslund wrote: > Tim Churches wrote: >  > Despite having one of the highest per-capita spends on healthcare in the >  > world, the US ranks in the bottom half (and often right at the bottom) >  > of all OECD countries on just about every health and health outcome >  > measure, on a popula

Re: [openhealth] Standards -- more questions

Thomas Beale wrote: > Alvin B. Marcelo wrote: >  > I agree with Heitzso. ICD-10 suffers from 'usability' issues. Yet >  > unlike the better systems (ie, >  > SNOMED) it is freely accessible. >  > >  > Perhaps OSHCA can make a statement making ICD-10 the 'least common >  > denominator' together w

Re: [openhealth] Re: article re IBM and others contributing open source epi and other

ivhalpc wrote: > I wonder how this is all going to end and I fear it will end badly as > in Nationalized medicine in the US when costs continue to climb out of > control because of this kind of insanity. A bit off-topic, but huh? Why would "Nationalised medicine" be a bad ending? No system is perf

Re: [openhealth] Standards -- more questions

Alvin B. Marcelo wrote: > First thread: > > I propose we standardize on ICD-10 (as a minimum). It's an international > standard anyway (albeit > difficult to use). This of course does not preclude the others from using SNOMED > if they can > afford to do so. ICD-10 and SNOMED-CT are differen

Re: [openhealth] Code Breakers on BBC World TV

Molly Cheah wrote: > http://www.apdip.net/news/fossdoc > A two-part documentary, “Code Breakers” will be aired on BBC World TV > starting on 10 May 2006. Code Breakers investigates how poor countries > are using FOSS applications for development, and includes stories and > interviews from around

Re: [openhealth] Standards

Molly Cheah wrote: > There doesn't seem to be control of its use. Information (unofficial) of > its copy rights by WONCA is here > http://www.ulb.ac.be/esp/wicc/copyright-en.html > > You can download the electronic version of ICPC2 from here. > http://www.ulb.ac.be/esp/wicc/ceo.html > > When w

Re: [openhealth] What to Call the OpenEMR/ClearHealth/FreeMed/MirrorMed Universe?

Ignacio Valdes wrote: > Linux Apache MySQL PHP server setups are so common that they have > their own designation, collectively called 'LAMP' applications. It > seems that in the United States, the hotbeds of FOSS Electronic > Medical Records (EMR)'s activity are falling into two universes: that

Re: [openhealth] [ FW: [Eval] Extended IT Evaluation Database at http://evaldb.umit.at]

Tim Cook wrote: > > FYI > > A good source for discovering what works and what doesn't in various > healthcare settings. Fantastic! Thanks to N&T for pointing this out - I think I'll be using this a lot. Tim C > FYI > > This database has been developed by a colleague and co-author of mine >

Re: [openhealth] request for advice re electronic medical record

Tim Cook wrote: > As soon as you start embedding complex data into relational structours > you start losing the ability to recover "information". > > In the SPECIFIC instance of OSCAR, the act of creating PDF's as data > stores means there is no way to report back out of them so that data > qua

Re: Openhealth Archives? (was) Re: RES: [openhealth] OSHCA - Notion of "founding members"

Bhaskar, KS wrote: > The archive is in the Openhealth group Files area at Yahoogroups: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/openhealth/files/openhealth-list.tar.gz > > You will need a Yahoo id attached to the e-mail address with which you > are subscribed to the openhealth list in order to access th

Re: [openhealth] OSHCA Inaugural Meeting - Closing remarks

David Forslund wrote: > ( I've been curious why "protem" was used for the committee name instead > of "protemp"?) It is an abbreviation for "pro tempore". I have always said "pro temp" too, but I gather that "pro tem" and "pro tem." are also widely used. I think that "protem" is rather more pom

Re: [openhealth] Re: oshca inaugural meeting - constitution

Will Ross wrote: > nandalal, > > from the perspective of a simple discussion at a face to face > meeting, this is what is happening: > > "we have a motion and a second to approve the 1.0 draft of the > constitution. is there any further discussion?" Although there was at least a two week o

Re: [openhealth] OSHCA inaugural meeting - important announcement

Will Ross wrote: > On Apr 22, 2006, at 5:13 PM, Tim.Churches wrote: > >  > Will Ross wrote: >  >> ARTICLE 5 - MEMBERSHIP >  >> >  >> 5.2  -  The Committee when rejecting an application SHALL provide a >  >> reason. >  > >  > Strictl

Re: [openhealth] OSHCA inaugural meeting - important announcement

Will Ross wrote: > Some last minute suggestions. > > ARTICLE 1 - NAME > > The Organisation shall be known as Open Source Health Care Alliance, > hereafter referred to as "OSCHA", and shall be registered in Malaysia. That is better wording but not really a substantial change - not an essentia

Re: [openhealth] OSHCA inaugural meeting - important announcement

Tim.Churches wrote: > OK. Sorry for suggesting membership fees rather higher than those which > Molly proposes. I have forgotten the password for the Yahoo username > which I used to subscribe to this list, so I have been unable to examine > the draft constitution documents as yet

Re: [openhealth] OSHCA inaugural meeting - important announcement

ble to examine the draft constitution documents as yet - I have re-applied to join the list with a fresh username (no, there is no way to recover my password, since I used fake details to register which I no longer recall - I wouldn't trust Yahoo with any real personal details). Anyway, we c

Re: [openhealth] OSHCA inaugural meeting - important announcement

Thomas Beale wrote: > doesn't the fact of paying the same number but in your own currency fix > this? E.g. 50AUD, 50M$, 50Euro, 50rupiah, 50USD, 50yuan etc? Not really, because the granularity of currency units varies greatly between countries - consider, for example: 50 Japanese Yen is only U

Re: [openhealth] OSHCA inaugural meeting - important announcement

Dr Molly Cheah wrote: > I believe that OSHCA should be a not-for-profit but not a charitable > organisation. "Free" sometimes attract the wrong type of people who > "may" make up the numbers but do not show commitment to OSHCA's cause. > Besides there is a cost in servicing these free riders and

Re: [openhealth] Areas for cooperation and collaboration for OpenHealth

David Forslund wrote: > Tim.Churches wrote: >  > David Forslund wrote: >  > > OMG HDTF:  PIDS, COAS, RAD, LQS >  > >  > In case anyone else is looking for these, this message provides pointers >  > to them - they are nigh-on impossible to find just be nav

Re: [openhealth] Areas for cooperation and collaboration for OpenHealth

the documents. Back to square one. Tim C > Tim.Churches wrote: >  > David Forslund wrote: >  > > What we have done shouldn't be the issue at all.  What is important is >  > > that there has been standards >  > > in this area for some time (98-00).  I'v

Re: [openhealth] Areas for cooperation and collaboration for OpenHealth

David Forslund wrote: > What we have done shouldn't be the issue at all.  What is important is > that there has been standards > in this area for some time (98-00).  I've heard people complain that > they were too complex, but I've not heard > people complain that they are incomplete (although I

Re: [openhealth] Re: Community Health Information Tracking System www.chits.info

David Forslund wrote: > Alvin, > > We had exactly this approach with the OMG HDTF (aka corbamed) in the > late 90's. There are standards there which do exactly this (long > before people thought about doing web services). In addition, this is > now being revisited with the HSSP joint effort of

Re: [openhealth] MirrorMed Highlights FOSS in Action

Tim.Churches wrote: > Nandalal Gunaratne wrote: > > > > "Tim.Churches" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Tim, > > > > All the following work with Firefox - in that i am taken to the correct > URL! > > What were you t

Re: [openhealth] MirrorMed Highlights FOSS in Action

Nandalal Gunaratne wrote: > > "Tim.Churches" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Tim, > > All the following work with Firefox - in that i am taken to the correct URL! > What were you trying to point out here? I was pointing out that all of the following work

Re: [openhealth] MirrorMed Highlights FOSS in Action

gle finds a more popular use of the acronym OSHCA somewhere). Tim C > On Apr 16, 2006, at 2:50 AM, Tim.Churches wrote: > > > Tim.Churches wrote: > >> Nandalal Gunaratne wrote: > >>> It is indeed most encouraging to see such developments. When I > >

Re: [openhealth] MirrorMed Highlights FOSS in Action

Tim.Churches wrote: > Nandalal Gunaratne wrote: > > It is indeed most encouraging to see such developments. When I clicked the > > "screenshots" i was taken to the Microsoft web site!!! > > Your link should be > > http://www.mirrormed.org/fb/ > >

Re: [openhealth] MirrorMed Highlights FOSS in Action

Nandalal Gunaratne wrote: > It is indeed most encouraging to see such developments. When I clicked the > "screenshots" i was taken to the Microsoft web site!!! > Your link should be > http://www.mirrormed.org/fb/ > Not > http://http//www.mirrormed.org/fb/ This seems to be a peculiarity of Firefox

Re: [openhealth] sumultaneous registrations and registration form

Richard Schilling wrote: > I cannot believe that there's no desire for a U.S. component! You all > are taking advantage of U.S. developed open source. We're creating more > open source on this continent than any other country! Damn it, you're right! Molly, stop wasting your time incorporating

Re: [openhealth] Digest Number 176

Irving Buchbinder wrote: > A thought about storage for Minoru or upcomming back storage needs: > > I can't speak for each project, however, the FreeMED Software Foundation > would be willing to MIRROR such archives, indeed host that sort of activity. > I'm sure we can find groups/Open Source works

Re: [openhealth] Important announcement and oshca update

David Forslund wrote: > Tim.Churches wrote: > > David Forslund wrote: > > > Molly, > > > > > > Incorporating OSHCA in the US doesn't necessarily imply US domination. > > > > No, but US citizens need to be sensitive to the negative feelings

Re: [openhealth] Important announcement and oshca update

Thomas Beale wrote: > Tim.Churches wrote: > > David Forslund wrote: > > > Molly, > > > > > > Incorporating OSHCA in the US doesn't necessarily imply US domination. > > > > No, but US citizens need to be sensitive to the negative feelings

Re: [openhealth] sumultaneous registrations and registration form

Richard Schilling wrote: > The protem committee taking four years to get this far is a pretty clear > indication that they've undermined themselves. No, Richard. There have been two, quite distinct pro tempore OSHCA committees. The first one, of which I was a member, was working towards incorpora

Re: [openhealth] Important announcement and oshca update

David Forslund wrote: > Molly, > > Incorporating OSHCA in the US doesn't necessarily imply US domination. No, but US citizens need to be sensitive to the negative feelings towards the US which are present and growing in many countries around the world. Whether this antipathy towards the US is j

Re: [openhealth] Important announcement and oshca update

Dr Molly Cheah wrote: > >Is OSCHA a religious organization or an independent world-wide > >technological organization accessible to everyone regardless of > >religious conviction? (Tim, you're not making any sense with your "star > >and crescent" comment). > > > > > I think Tim was just bei

Re: [openhealth] Openhealth mailing list

Brian Bray wrote: > Thanks for the welcome, Bhaskar, and also the warm welcome (in every > sense of the word) I've received from many others. > > Also, thank you for creating this list. The list software at > minoru-development.com was and is broken- you took the right step to > keep this incredib

Re: [openhealth] Important announcement and oshca update

Molly Cheah wrote: > Though this is out of context here, Malaysia has a secular constitution > and therefore it is "not" an islamic country, though majority of the > population are muslims. Unfortunately the media especially in the US > says we are an islamic state and most people rely on the medi

Re: [openhealth] Important announcement and oshca update

David Forslund wrote: > There may be legal protection, etc in Malaysia. Not may be, there definitely is. As Molly said, Malaysian law was originally based on British law - it is now distinct from it, but rest assured that there is rule of civil law in Malaysia. There is also corruption and politic

Re: [openhealth] Important announcement and oshca update

e discussion were about the incorporation of an Enron, then that's a different matter... Tim C > Dave Forslund > Tim.Churches wrote: > > Richard Schilling wrote: > > > If I were involved in the incorporation (which I can do, by the way in a > > > day) I w

Re: [openhealth] Important announcement and oshca update

Richard Schilling wrote: > If I were involved in the incorporation (which I can do, by the way in a > day) I would object to doing it in Malaysia. I would do it in the U.S. > first. The protections offered a U.S. corporation might be much greater > than in Malaysia. Glad that you have compared

Re: [openhealth] Re: CCHIT biased towards proprietary software?

nails were driven in all the way, or that current > flows to the electric lights, but they're not going to tell you whether > or not a building is structurally sound. Hence your reference to "the tents of eXtreme Programming"? Tim C > --- "Tim.Churches" <[EMAIL

Re: [openhealth] CCHIT biased towards proprietary software??

Will Ross wrote: > Fred, > > I oppose the creation of a separate open source certification > process. I think it compromises the opportunity for open source > solutions to displace commercial solutions, and it distracts open > source projects from leveraging the collaborative process to creat

Re: [openhealth] Re: CCHIT biased towards proprietary software?

Wayne Wilson wrote: > Finally if software is developed with unit test capabilities, it is > quite easy to repeat unit tests upon software modification, so this does > not become much of a burden either. Indeed. My approach these days when considering open source software components for serious use

Re: [openhealth] Re: [Amazon S3

Wayne Wilson wrote: > > From: "Tim.Churches" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > >Any other ideas for S3? > > > 1) Wait for Google to offer it for free :) > > Seriously, Google already offers 2GB of free web 'mail' space.

Re: [openhealth] Of potential interest: Amazon S3

Tim.Churches wrote: > Amazon S3 is not strictly open source software but may be of interest to > open source software developers and end-users. ... > So what could S3 be used for? ... > 2) As a store-and-forward facility for the exchange of lab results or > other health messages (in

Re: [openhealth] CCHIT biased towards proprietary software??

Gregory Woodhouse wrote: > On Mar 25, 2006, at 5:01 PM, Joseph Dal Molin wrote: > > > and...at the risk of stating the obvious there should be some > > mechanism for evaluating the certification authority and the > > criteria... > > > > Sadly, I don't know how many people are even thinki

[openhealth] Of potential interest: Amazon S3

Amazon S3 is not strictly open source software but may be of interest to open source software developers and end-users. Here is the blurb from the S3 Web page at http://www.amazon.com/gp/browse.html/104-1570532-7764752?node=16427261 Amazon S3 is storage f

Re: [openhealth] CCHIT biased towards proprietary software??

Will Ross wrote: > On Mar 24, 2006, at 9:44 PM, Rod Roark wrote: > > > I repeat: NOBODY will pay thousands for certification of Free > > Software. They will use it because they already believe in it. > > Rod, > > I have been following the CCHIT process. I do not consider CCHIT to > be bias

Re: [openhealth] CCHIT biased towards proprietary software??

Thomas Beale wrote: > Rod Roark wrote: > > > > > > The point is, open source (as in Free Software) is NOT a business > > model. It's a method and end result of collaboration among users. > > I make good money at it only because some of those users are willing > > to pay me to do the techie w

Re: [openhealth] CCHIT biased towards proprietary software??

Fred Trotter wrote: > The current CCHIT pricing module seems biased against any GPL based system. Fred, you don't think that the CCHIT pricing is biased against software released under other types of free, open source licenses? > Joseph has already written about this, but I would like for us to c

Re: [openhealth] [Fwd: Re: [n-gaa] Is Open Source Good for Innovation?]

Thomas Beale wrote: > Tim.Churches wrote: > > > > > > > > Why Wikipedia doesn't have one is a mystery to me. Why it is as good as > > > it is (however good you think it is) is also a mystery. > > > > It is wrong to think of wikipedia as

Re: [openhealth] [Fwd: Re: [n-gaa] Is Open Source Good for Innovation?]

Thomas Beale wrote: > David Forslund wrote: > > http://www.economist.com/business/displaystory.cfm?story_id=5624944 > > > > is the link to the article I intended to post. > > David Forslund wrote: > > > I thought folks might like to see this article. Any comments? > > > > > > -Dave > > >

Re: [openhealth] Demonstrations & Standards.

Thomas Beale wrote: > Tim.Churches wrote: > > Thomas Beale wrote: > > > > > > > > I agree with Dave that this area is interesting and important to sort > > > out. I'll put the PhD thesis links on openEHR.org - they are all a > > > great

Re: [openhealth] Demonstrations & Standards.

our public health data collection app (in Python). I don't think that interoperability is important in our case either, but will search for a counter-case to that position before embarking on it in the next few weeks. Cheers, Tim C > Tim.Churches wrote: > > Thomas Beale wrote:

Re: [openhealth] Demonstrations & Standards.

Thomas Beale wrote: > David Forslund wrote: > > > > We have been using workflow engines for a while. The one I happen to > > prefer is Shark (http://shark.objectweb.org) > > which is quite robust and > > uses standard WfMC's XPDL for the workflow representation

Re: [openhealth] Demonstrations & Standards.

Wayne Wilson wrote: > Boy, is this discussion bringing back old memories, Dave Forslund reminds me > exactly how old later on and I have some inline comments. > > Just below, Tom Beale suggests interoperability built on engineering > principles. Some discussion follows about the difficulty of c

Re: [openhealth] Re: OS at MedInfo 2007

n other words the interest in OS must be > about better outcomes. Excellent suggestions for themes and questions to be tackled - perhaps in a workshop under MedInfo2007 auspices, or as a one-day satellite mini-conference? Could either of these be organised under IMIA OSWG auspices? I am happy to

Re: OSHCA Meetings (was) Re: [openhealth] Re: List future [was: Why are you here?]

should organise a satellite mtg if they wish, but that an open source workshop or some other meeting under the auspices of MedInfo2007 should also be pursued. Let's not put all our eggs in one basket... Tim C > Tim.Churches wrote: > > Joseph Dal Molin wrote: > > &g

Re: [openhealth] Re: [os-wg] OS at MedInfo 2007

am keen to try and do > > more than this as well. > > > > Let's see what interest we can generate by getting a message out to > > the > > various OS/FLOSS group lists and then see where we can take things > > - we > > will probably need a &

[openhealth] Re: OS at MedInfo 2007

Forwarded message from Peter Murray. Original Message Subject: Re: OS at MedInfo 2007 Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 09:54:15 + From: Peter Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Tim.Churches <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, Tim - good question on OS activities at

OS at MedInfo 2007 (was Re: OSHCA Meetings (was) Re: [openhealth] Re: List future [was: Why are you here?])

e to hold OSWG/OSNI activities at other conferences/events and have been exploring various possibilities; more news when we have anything to report. " Peter, Jan or Graham: any open sourcery planned for MedInfo 2007 in Brisbane? Tim C > On Mar 18, 2006, at 4:07 PM, Tim.Churches wrote: > &

Re: OSHCA Meetings (was) Re: [openhealth] Re: List future [was: Why are you here?]

Will Ross wrote: > Tim, > > I'm confident there will be an OS track at MedInfo 2007 in > Brisbane. We had an OS track at MedInfo 2004 in San Francisco. Does anyone know who is organising it? Tim C > - - - - - - - - > > On Mar 18, 2006, at 3:13 PM, Tim.Churches

Re: OSHCA Meetings (was) Re: [openhealth] Re: List future [was: Why are you here?]

Joseph Dal Molin wrote: > While it makes sense to shadow MedInfo it may be difficult to do > anything more than a "birds of a feather" meeting initially without > first establishing self sustainabilitythe critical success factors > for successful OSHCA meetings so far have been: > > - a local

Re: OSHCA Meetings (was) Re: [openhealth] Re: List future [was: Why are you here?]

James Busser wrote: > On Mar 18, 2006, at 8:56 AM, Joseph Dal Molin wrote: > > > the critical success factors > > for successful OSHCA meetings so far have been: > > > > - a local sponsor/champion eg. Mike McCoy and Colin Smith (Los Angles > > and London) > > - champion(s) and well connected

Re: [openhealth] Openhealth mailing list

Will Ross wrote: > I agree with Bhaskar's proposal. The openhealth@yahoogroups.com > list is not broken, so there is no need to "fix" it. Rather than > dissipate community resources in an unnecessary technology migration > task, let's concentrate instead on the governance and planning tasks

[openhealth] News story about an OpenVista implementation

See http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/mgmt/830C9682243AB990CC25712C0075BA53 They are using the proprietary Cache implementation of MUMPS on RedHat Enterprise Linux as the back-end platform (not open source GT.M on Linux), but the main thing is that they are deploying VistA, and claim substantial

Re: [openhealth] Post from Brian Bray of MInoru Development regarding the openhealth list name

Bhaskar, KS wrote: > I am forwarding an e-mail from Brian Bray of Minoru Development, where > he evidently expects this list to change its name. I am not a lawyer - > I do not know whether the name of a mailing list can conflict with a > trademark, but I would like to bring his message to the atte

Re: [openhealth] Open Source Software: A Primer for Health Care Leaders

Tim.Churches wrote: > Nandalal Gunaratne wrote: >> Will Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Tim has done a good job of analysing this report. > > I only covered 5 paragraphs in one small section of the report - that's > all I have read. There are ano

Re: [openhealth] [Fwd: [GPCG_TALK] Open Source Software: A Primer for Health Care Leaders]

that as wrong as it is on the details, > it still opens the door for more expansive adoption of open source. > I encourage non-technical executive decision makers to read it > because the net effect is more legitimacy for open source solutions > in the enterprise. > > [wr]

Re: [openhealth] [Fwd: [GPCG_TALK] Open Source Software: A Primer for Health Care Leaders]

Maury Pepper wrote: > Tim, > I'd be interested to hear why you feel that way about > the report. I have read comments by others praising > it. Perhaps they have missed something. As I said, I have not read the entire report, and my observation that teh authors did not understand what they wer

Re: [openhealth] OSS collections

Benjamin Jung wrote: > Hello, > > I was trying to find a website that lists Open Source Applications used > in Healthcare and their status, e.g. obsolete, beta, stable,... A quick > Google search returned some pages that list applications, but they do > not go into more details. Additionally, most

Re: [openhealth] Dangerous idea -- quality

Gregory Woodhouse wrote: > I suppose you could call it an adjunct. I'm not suggesting we abandon > testing, only that to the extent that we are content (and that's > really the key) to rely on testing, we have admitted defeat. Ok, thanks, now I understand what you meant. And incidentally I don't

Re: [openhealth] Takin' it serious...

Koray Atalag wrote: > but what bothers me > with your recent post though is how this challenge/criticism is made: I am > perfectly happy with criticism in a constructive/respectful and not > neccesarily professional way...This was unfortunately not what happened with > that message :-( Sorry if I

Re: [openhealth] RE: The Question

ged and questioned (in a polite, professional manner, of course). Tim C > From: openhealth@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Tim.Churches > Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 10:00 AM > To: openhealth@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [openhealth] RE: The Question &

Re: [openhealth] RE: The Question

Koray Atalag wrote: > Q4: When we stop talking about security in healthcare information systems > and start doing something that makes sense instead of inhibiting the > innovation? Golden rule of medicine: first do no harm. > Q6: When we start using skype (or some other free > communication/colla

Re: [openhealth] Dangerous idea -- quality

Gregory Woodhouse wrote: > On Jan 7, 2006, at 3:41 PM, Tim.Churches wrote: > > > Gregory Woodhouse wrote: > > > Relying on process and testing as a means of achieving software > > > quality is an admission of defeat > > > > Um, are you suggesting t

Re: [openhealth] Dangerous idea -- quality

Gregory Woodhouse wrote: > Relying on process and testing as a means of achieving software > quality is an admission of defeat Um, are you suggesting that the undefeated write software which is always completely defect-free, without the need for any form of process and testing? I agree that slav

Dangerous Idea 2 (was Re: [openhealth] The Question)

Tim Cook wrote: > If any of you read The Edge ( http://www.edge.org/ ) you'll be familiar > with John Brockman's annual big question to a chosen group of leading > thinkers. > > Many on this mailing list have been working together since 1999 or > before in some cases. I am wondering..in the co

Dangerous Idea 1 (was Re: [openhealth] The Question)

Tim Cook wrote: > If any of you read The Edge ( http://www.edge.org/ ) you'll be familiar > with John Brockman's annual big question to a chosen group of leading > thinkers. > > Many on this mailing list have been working together since 1999 or > before in some cases. I am wondering..in the co

Re: [openhealth] The Question

Koray Atalag wrote: > I was crazy enough to put my personal funds and run > after an R&D project to realize this approach; but as > you might guess I failed! Now I do not have a car:( > The World is not ready yetIf you are interested it > is also at SourceForge.Net: > > http://cerebrus-fp6.sou

Re: [openhealth] Reflexions on Knowledge Modelling

Tim Cook wrote: > On Wed, 2006-01-04 at 10:33 +0100, Christian Heller wrote: > > However, I think it is time to accept a citation of Wikipedia, > > for example. Many profs claim that it were not "scientific" enough. > > Wikipedia is not peer-reviewed in any formal process. "All" professors > sh

Re: [openhealth] Framework for interoperability between existing softwares

Nandalal Gunaratne wrote: > > Koray Atalag <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > namely CEN TC251, is centered around openEHR metholodologies and > artifacts...Also as far as I > know it is selected as a national standard in Australia - > > What is? OpenEHR or CEN TC251? Neither, unless something

Re: [openhealth] GPLMedicine.org

Fred Trotter wrote: > > I don't > > see how the GPL has a monopoly on unobtrusiveness. > > It doesn't. However it is unobtrusive and can be trusted to be > unobtrusive, which makes it a good default recommendation to medical > IT decision makers. The most unobtrusive licenses are the BSD/MIT

Re: [openhealth] GPLMedicine.org

Fred Trotter wrote: > My exclusion of other licenses is quite intentional. The GPL offers > benifits that others do not. While it can make life difficult in certain > areas, it does so because it does not compromise on the ethical issue. It's your Web site, you are free to express whatever opinion

Re: [openhealth] GPLMedicine.org

Fred Trotter wrote: > Hey, > I know that just about everyone here is a LinuxMedNews regular, and as > a result have seen my announcement there about GPLmedicine.org. I wanted > to let everyone know that GrokLaw has picked up the story, so lots of > people are paying attention. > > The

[openhealth] WHO Bulletin: August special theme: Health Information Systems

Thanks to Ken Harvey for the following information. A pity that WHO does not recognise the role of open source software in establishing suitable and sustainable health information systems in low and middle income countries. Tim C Ken Harvey wrote: > The latest issue of the Bulletin of the World H

Re: [openhealth] Re: [os-wg] U.S. Will Offer Doctors Free Electronic Records System

Will Ross wrote: > Two new Vista's in one week. > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/22/ > AR2005072200589.html > > "Sir, you asked for Vista. Was that CMS Vista or Microsoft Vista?" Joseph dal Molin might be able to rent space on http://www.worldvista.org/ to a f

Re: [openhealth] New file uploaded to openhealth

openhealth@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Hello, > > This email message is a notification to let you know that > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the openhealth > group. > > File: /openhealth-list.tar.gz > Uploaded by : tw_cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Description : Openhealth L

Re: [openhealth] Re: openhealth mailing list archive export

Tim Cook wrote: > The email I received did not contain the attachment. > > Here's the report form my ISP: > > > This email contained an attachment or file which may > > be harmful to your computer. > > > > cdbcccdd.zip was infected with the virus [EMAIL PROTECTED] or appears to > > be corru

Re: [openhealth] REMITT GPL violation

Fred Trotter wrote: > Tim, > > > > 5) If SourceCodeA calls SourceCodeB at runtime only, then there is no > > requirement for SourceCodeA to be made available under the GPL. Note > > that apart from the fact that runtime behaviour is explicitly outside > > teh scope of the GPL, this is also a

Re: [openhealth] REMITT GPL violation

Fred Trotter wrote: > Tim, > > > Personally I am opposed to software algorithms and business methods > > being patentable at all. But in those unfortunate countries in which > > such patents are issued (eg US, Australia, Japan, India), what you > > propose is probably OK, provided that univers

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